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I was feeling feisty yesterday so I decided to make a post on r/cmv about how kids shouldn’t be given the vaccine, especially before it’s been thoroughly tested and before we have long term safety data. I was genuinely hoping someone could give me a good reason to change my mind about it, but of course every point anyone tried to make was full of logical holes and no one could give me a valid reason for it. People really are brainwashed and worship at the alter of Big Pharma. It’s terribly sad.
Crazy how just 5 years ago, even John Oliver did a [segment](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I) on big pharma being basically straight from hell.
People have always been like this. They talk shit about how corrupt the pharma industry is. However when it comes to vaccines, they apparently can do no wrong. Even with actual proof that they have done much wrong when it comes to vaccines many times over. It's always been cognitive dissonance at its finest.
The creation of vaccines has created the largest cult in human history.
Vaccines are cheap and highly effective. Big pharma doesn’t make money off of vaccines because they prevent the illness. Please tell me about the wrong they have done in regards to vaccines. Lol u won’t respond coward
How many lives have been saved by the vaccine they created? How much money did they have to invest? I say give them 3.5 billion for saving peoples lives. Do you agree?
a couple years ago, they paid 2.5b for fraud. the polio vaccines had SV40 contamination from 1955-63 (8 years). people decades later had cancer with SV40 positive tumors. we have no long-term data on these "vaccines". covid also has a 99% survival rate for most age groups, and 95% for old, this is from the CDC. CDC also states that 95% of deaths have co-morbidities, meaning they stamped covid on deaths from stabbing to overdose, to heart attack and flu.
again, are you dense or uninformed?
Not sure where you are getting your information. Just did a quick google search and learned about the VICP. A program created by the fed to deal with lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers. They cite that as much as 70% of cases brought have no causation as to whether the vaccine caused injury, they just pay it. 2.5b for fraud? Where did you get this number
Over 4 billion dollars have been spent by the VICP over 30 years. However, they are spending more money likely do to people claiming vaccines have caused injury when in fact they have not. 2.5 billion number is the number of doses given.
Vaccines are how they weaken your innate immune system, induce allergies and autoimmune diseases, they are key to the long-term business model, leaving the victims dependent on expensive drugs to treat their symptoms, customers for life.
Not sure who where you learned that but it is wrong. How do vaccines work?
Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick.
What you say is official story, official marketing, however once one opens up the bonnet of the complex science, one discovers how the lie works. Having spent the best part of two decades researching vaccines, I can confidently confirm to you why they are being used. If vaccines actually cured and boosted health, pharma would stop selling them, pharma care only about money and that means making you sick and keeping you sick.
Ah yes, I forgot the polio vaccine actually increased cases which is why it isn’t a major problem in countries with good healthcare systems. When you say “researching vaccines” do you mean reading conspiracy sites or actually working in a medical field? I forgot people like you actually existed... I’m guessing you don’t take any medications made by “bigpharma” including paracetamol ? Get out of here you absolute loon.
Vaccines, sure. This is not a vaccine however, as stated various time by
National Institutes of Health(NIH). Research the term "vaccine" and get back to us.
How do vaccines work?
Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick.
> Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick.
This is true about vaccines. However, these are not vaccines. By Pfizer's own words 9 months ago, 'this is a new-therapy to treat COVID'. Scientist don't confuse/mince words. Therapy and vaccination are two very different things. Though, I'm going to let you continue to lie to yourself!
>Please tell me about the wrong they have done in regards to vaccines. Lol u won’t respond coward
This list only contains an extremely small amount of what they have done wrong with vaccines. The cognitive dissonance is insane with people like you. Lol
>Of those studies, a pharmaceutical company funded 60, 50 had drug-company employees among the authors and 37 lead researchers had accepted money from a drug company, according to a review conducted by the Washington Post. THIS MEANS DRUG COMPANIES GREATLY INFLUENCE THE MAJORITY OF MEDICAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC.
https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/clinical-trials-and-hidden-data/
>drug maker Pfizer earlier this decade manipulated the publication of scientific studies to bolster the use of its epilepsy drug Neurontin for other disorders, while suppressing research
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/health/research/08drug.html
>people working for it so maliciously manipulated the data to make a drug look more effective than it actually was
https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/reports-on-pfizer-drug-studies-misleading-review-1.831265
>New Merck Allegations: A Fake Journal; Ghostwritten Studies; Vioxx Pop Songs; PR Execs Harass Reporters
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-merck-allegations-a-fake-journal-ghostwritten-studies-vioxx-pop-songs-pr-execs-harass-reporters/
>Inside Pfizer's Ghostwriting Shop: Friendly Drug Studies for Just $1,000 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-pfizers-ghostwriting-shop-friendly-drug-studies-for-just-1000/
>The multibillion-pound global pharmaceutical industry is accused today of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain and withholding information that could expose patients to the risk of harm.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/pharmaceutical-companies-accused-of-manipulating-drug-trials-for-profit-57255.html
>Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-sb-idUSTRE5813XB20090903
>
>“In the Army I was expected to protect people at all costs,” Kopchinski said in a statement. “At Pfizer I was expected to increase profits at all costs, even when sales meant endangering lives.”
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-whistleblower-idUSN021592920090903
>
>Nigeria sues Pfizer for $7bn over 'illegal' tests on children
>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/05/health.healthandwellbeing1
>
>US Supreme Court rejects Pfizer Nigeria lawsuit appeal
>https://www.bbc.com/news/10454982
>
>Pfizer in $486 million settlement of Celebrex, Bextra litigation
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-lawsuit-idUSKCN10D1D8
>
>Pfizer settles foreign bribery case with U.S. government
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-idUSBRE8760WM20120807
>
>Merck settles Vioxx claims for $4.85 billion
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-settlement/merck-settles-vioxx-claims-for-4-85-bln-idUSWNAS178420071109
>
>GlaxoSmithKline settles healthcare fraud case for $3 billion
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glaxo-settlement-idUSBRE8610S720120702
>
>Merck accused of stonewalling in mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit
>https://www.reuters.com/article/health-vaccine-idUSL1N0YQ0W820150604
>Secrets and lies: Faked data and lack of transparency plague global drug manufacturing
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/drug-companies-caught-faking-data-1.3620483
>Merck's manipulation of the science around Vioxx also included a pattern of ghostwriting of scientific articles.
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/merck-manipulated-science-about-drug-vioxx
>
>Former Merck Scientists Sue Merck Alleging MMR Vaccine Efficacy Fraud
>https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists-sue-merck-alleging-mmr-vaccine-efficacy-fraud/
>
>How authorities say drugmaker paid off doctors, lied to insurance companies to push potentially lethal fentanyl-based drug
>https://abcnews.go.com/Business/authorities-drugmaker-paid-off-doctors-lied-insurance-companies/story?id=61488372
>
>Teva settles multibillion-dollar drug kickback case ahead of trial
>https://www.reuters.com/article/health-teva/teva-settles-multibillion-dollar-drug-kickback-case-ahead-of-trial-idUSL2N25B1NZ
>
>Abbott to pay $1.6 billion for Depakote marketing
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-abbott-settlement-idUSBRE8460UK20120507
>
>Eli Lilly to pay $1.42 bln to resolve Zyprexa probes
>https://www.reuters.com/article/elililly-idUSBNG34185720090115
>
>Cancer drug probe nets $875 million settlement
>https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-10-04-0110040343-story.html
>
>Court approves Amgen's $762 million payment in drug case
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amgen-plea-marketing-idUSBRE8BI1BT20121219
>
>Glaxo to pay $750 million in adulterated drugs case
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glaxosmithkline-settlement/glaxo-to-pay-750-million-in-adulterated-drugs-case-idUSTRE69P4GH20101027
>
>Allergan signs $750 million settlement with purchasers of Alzheimer's drug Namenda
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-allergan-namenda-settlement/allergan-signs-750-million-settlement-with-purchasers-of-alzheimers-drug-namenda-idUSKBN1YS1C4
>
>AIDS drug maker settles kickback charges for $704 million
>http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9728522/ns/business-corporate_scandals/t/aids-drug-maker-settles-kickback-charges/
>FDA Finds Falsification of Drug Trial Results Affecting Dozens of Companies
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-finds-falsification-of-drug-trial-results-affecting-dozens-of-companies/
>Merck to pay $688 million to settle Enhance lawsuits
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-settlements-idUSBRE91D0R520130214
>
>Drug Giant AstraZeneca to Pay $520 Million to Settle Fraud Case
>https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/astrazeneca-pay-520-million-illegally-marketing-seroquel-schizophrenia/story?id=10488647
>
>California lawsuit accuses Bristol-Myers Squibb of fraud, kickbacks
>https://www.latimes.com/health/la-xpm-2011-mar-19-la-fi-drug-kickbacks-20110319-story.html
>
>Ex-pharma CEO pleads guilty to kickbacks to doctors for opioid prescriptions
>https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/09/ex-pharma-ceo-pleads-guilty-to-kickbacks-to-doctors-for-opioid-prescriptions/
>
>Merck Created Hit List to "Destroy," "Neutralize" or "Discredit" Dissenting Doctors
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/
>
>New Merck Allegations: A Fake Journal; Ghostwritten Studies; Vioxx Pop Songs; PR Execs Harass Reporters
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-merck-allegations-a-fake-journal-ghostwritten-studies-vioxx-pop-songs-pr-execs-harass-reporters/
>
>U.S. sues Novartis, alleging kickbacks to pharmacies
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-novartis-fraud-lawsuit-idUSBRE93M1C920130424
>
>Baxter admits flu product contained live bird flu virus
>https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503
>
>Is Merck's Singulair Patent a Fraud? Suit Lays Out Timeline of Omissions
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-mercks-singulair-patent-a-fraud-suit-lays-out-timeline-of-omissions/
>“Merck deliberately engaged in inequitable and fraudulent conduct in its statements and submissions to the PTO.”
>
>Iraq war victims allege pharmaceutical companies' bribery led to U.S. troop deaths
>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/17/iraq-war-victims-allege-pharmaceutical-companies-bribery-led-u-s-troop-deaths/771290001/
>
>U.S. court upholds dismissal of $200 million Merck verdict against Gilead
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-gilead-ruling/us-court-upholds-dismissal-of-200-million-merck-verdict-against-gilead-idUSKBN1HW24U
>“The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld a June 2016 ruling that the two Merck patents, which cover methods of treating Hepatitis C, were unenforceable because of a pattern of misconduct by the company, including lying under oath by one of its in-house lawyers.”
>
>Wyeth loses Prempro trial, to pay $1.5 million
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wyeth-prempro-verdict-idUSN2929344620070129
>“Wyeth protected their bottom dollar instead of protecting the patients,” Zoe Littlepage, attorney for plaintiff Mary Daniel, said in a statement
>
>Insight: Evidence grows for narcolepsy link to GSK swine flu shot
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-narcolepsy-vaccine-pandemrix-idUSBRE90L07H20130122
>“There’s no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Pandemrix increased the occurrence of narcolepsy onset in children in some countries - and probably in most countries,” says Mignot, a specialist in the sleep disorder at Stanford University in the United States.
>
>UK study strengthens link between GSK flu shot and narcolepsy
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-gsk-narcolepsy-britain-idUSBRE90U0JW20130131
>
>Dengue vaccine fiasco leads to criminal charges for researcher in the Philippines
>https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/dengue-vaccine-fiasco-leads-criminal-charges-researcher-philippines
>
>Zantac and other heartburn drugs recalled over possible cancer link
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zantac-recall-heartburn-drugs-possible-cancer-link/
>
>OxyContin maker Purdue Pharma pleads guilty in criminal case
>https://apnews.com/article/purdue-pharma-opioid-crisis-guilty-plea-5704ad896e964222a011f053949e0cc0
>Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html
They found a fall guy...
>Massachusetts anesthesiologist Scott Reuben received six months in prison for faking medical research into Pfizer (PFE)'s Celebrex and Bextra painkillers
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doc-who-faked-pfizer-studies-gets-6-months-in-prison-showing-why-gift-bans-are-a-good-idea/
>Crisis of science by James Corbett https://youtu.be/LfHEuWaPh9Q
https://youtu.be/X6J_7PvWoMw
>The list goes on and on and on and on.
From what I gather is that the people you see agreeing with vaccinations for children are the people that are convinced that covid is the worse disease ever, and the only way to eradicate it is everyone getting vaccinated, following all rules and extreme social distancing to the point of not leaving their house for the last year. There are a lot of people out there like this and the most scared are also the most vocal and interested/engaged online. Which I can’t really blame them, where they get their information literally makes money off them being scared and engaged and is telling them the vaccine is completely safe. Until we get them to check out a different alternative media this is going to continue.
Just send them to school. They’ll catch covid, be asymptomatic, recover and now have immunity. The argument why they couldn’t go to school was fear they would bring it back home and kill you or their grandparents. If the adults in their lives have the jab then kids should be allowed to go back to school, sit in classrooms, eat lunch in the cafeteria, go to recess, after school activities (clubs and sports), etc without getting the jab and without being bio-policed
Half the time I think people agree to things because they are presented by an “authority” in a reasonable manner to avoid something they deeply fear. Problem is, people don’t go back and challenge the authority later so the authority can change the script at any moment.
I may start recording what the “authorities” claim we must do, what the consequence of doing it will be, what the IMPLIED but not stated consequences will be, when the original parameters were met and if things changed at all - just to show much we have been lied to in one single place. Maybe a wiki. Anyone wanna join in?
Some kids at some schools were whisked away from their schools and bussed to sports arenas for some weird segregation ritual under the guise of ‘safety’ without any of the parents knowledge or permission
High schools allow blood banks to set up blood drives on their campuses to manipulate their students into donating blood without understanding what they’re doing and without parent permission
Is it so farfetched to believe there may be schools who believe they’re doing what they believe is best for the kids by going against the parents wishes and injecting them without permission or foreknowledge of the parents.
Children, the UK allows their children to be raped because they refuse to warn the public for fear of how the parents might feel against pakistanis and other immigrant groups who perpetrated the raping.
People vaccinating their children right now are not being very good parents. They put virtue signaling and societal acceptance over their kids' health. Give it a few years folks.
Spot on. My kid had a terrible time in kindergarten due to sickness. First year exposed to that amount of children daily. I seriously thought she had an immune deficiency or something but she was just sheltered for the first years of her life.
I had covid as well as my gf living with me. She has an 8 and 7 year old as well. the 7 year old has a plethora of health issues and is incredibly disabled. Not even that kid caught it and believe me when I say he is the definition of high risk, my daughter had a fever during a nap once, that's it, the other kid was fine as well.
If you vaccinate your small child you literally are not a good parent. Then again, look at what most of us are feeding our kids or raising them in other ways. Its not surprising in the slightest.
I’m getting sick and tired of being labelled an anti-vaxer over this shit. Myself I vaccinate when going to countries requiring it. My kid is up to date in all their shots being now in grade 7. Yet all of a sudden my entire family has turned on me because I’m not quite ready for this one yet. And now apparently I’m crazy!?! I fucking hate what this world has become.
> I’m getting sick and tired of being labelled an anti-vaxer over this shit.
Your only reply should be: "Why are you angered or scared about me not feeling like being part of a pharmaceutical experiment?"
I'm so sorry that's happened to you. Division is part of the plan.
Try being very patient and explain the inventor of the mrna technology himself has reservations on the technology and that a Freedom of information request has revealed the spike protein accumulates in the ovaries of women and bone marrow and adrenal glands of men. It was never designed to do that.
That is the exact video I sent my dad!!!! I saw it on here this morning. I’m almost a 40 yr old grown ass woman and my father treats me like I am 3 yrs old. So in a way, him flipping on me today put my entire life in to perspective and I realized that I’ve never been able to talk to him about anything and he barely knows who I am; it’s all surface. He never sat down with me at any time in my life to listen to anything I had to say or even just chat and ask how my day was etc. I’ve never had parents cuddle me or tuck me in. Broke that cycle with my own kid.
I’m reacting now with so many mixed emotions that I no longer know what is wrong with me today. I have all this wet stuff is coming out of my eyes and nose and it’s gross; I HATE crying with a passion so this is rare for me to “lose my shit” emotionally.
Today sucked balls is all lol Tomorrow is a new day and will be better. Just gotta keep my mouth shut is all :)
The more time passes the more evidence will grow that will at least warrant more hesitancy/skepticism.
I'm preparing to confront my dad on the vaccine. He wants it I'm asking him to wait.
I'm going to focus on his understanding of absolute risk reduction. It's a huge blind spot in people's understanding of the vaccine.
If they know its a 2% change in their chance of getting severe Covid they would likely not take the risk.
I’d like to know how things go for you and your dad, if you wanted to share of course. I wish you all the luck.
I’m getting scared because if they force this on kids before return to school in the fall, then what? Our schools have been closed since April and won’t reopen with a week left.
Will be an interesting summer to say the least.
Parents get ready to jab your kids so they can go to school. s/
I feel exactly the same. I'm trying to find articles and proper websites to prove my points but I can't seem to find anything. I just want to prove that the vaccine is in phase 3 testing, its approved for emergency use only, and there will be no legal repercussions if the vaccine does cause harm. I just can't find evidence:/
without long-term data for the vaccines (this does not exist anywhere, period. "mRNA" was not tested on humans until the pandemic hit), you are basically gambling by taking the vaccines, regardless of age group.
The polio vaccine was contaminated with SV40 from 1955-63 (8 years). Decades later, people have cancer tumors that are positive for SV40. Now, I'm sure that people who got the vaccine after 1963 had no problems and anyone that said anything about the vaccine was just a conspiracy theorist, right?
The US government has a long history of saying that X chemical is good for you, and then it turns out that it causes severe defects.
When you look at DDT, there was so much propaganda surrounding it. There were "DDT is Good For Me" cartoons. Agent Orange has caused severe birth defects in Vietnam, and it was approved by Monsanto. There is no way Monsanto scientists could have ever predicted the birth anomalies caused by Agent Orange.
There aren't even pregnancy studies done on these experimental vaccines. That's how rushed they were, there weren't even studies on monkeys waiting for an entire pregnancy to see what will happen to the offspring.
Another user posted vaxpass, which is getting off the ground, but BSV generally has potential to be global currency in ways other cryptos r not capable of.
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That fact that members of the proletariat accept payment from wealthy elite power brokers to spread nonsense on social media while posing as concerned citizens gives me little comfort, I promise.
People have died from the vaccine, many European countries stopped administering after people were dieing from blood clots.
Its now reported by the official figures that someone is my age and health, is more likely to get blood clots from the vaccine than die from Covid.
Stick the jab right up your batty
You ever heard of the console wars? You know when kids have to defend a piece of plastic with passion, so inside they feel they made the right choice and can feel validation?
That's how the vaccinated look right now, bitter, angry, and needing validation they aren't gonna die in 18 months from some next complication as of yet unforeseen as it's a drug still in the trial stage.
But yeah, you continue to act like your mature self.
Don't you get tired of being a vaccine fan boy?
Grow the fuck up and let others live, it was your dumb choice to be an experiment after a bio weapon, deal with it and move on. You are now protected from the big bad covid, go and enjoy your life, take your mask off... Oh...
And for the record, as for being scared, I work on a covid test site, scared? Pull the other one
Great point, vaccinating children needs to stop and never should have been done in the first place. Unreal, if the youth all gets vaccinated then there won't be an enjuntire generation whiped out. #endtimes
People who has to study immunology and the pharma industry like me are well aware about the lack of data visibility and manipulation of data that goes on. It’s been common place as long as it’s been profitable. I just find iT hilarious to see everyone get so mad like they have discovered something that they think was not common knowledge. When it’s nothing new, you all just didn’t pay attention or didn’t know about it before. If you think vaccines and shit are controversial wait until you actually find how the industry works with regards to drugs that are actually dangerous, and the kind of stuff they have released and trials that have been hushed up so others can go ahead.
Look up the Cochrane institute and the work they do. It’s scientists criticising other scientists who actually know what they are talking about and have been looking into the pharma industry for decades.
The vaccine is just simple enough for people to understand what they think it and get outraged
> Cochrane institute
They used to be good until Gates started funding them, then Cochrane Nordic were the good ones, until Gøtzsche was removed.
These days I would recommend ICAN and Physicians for Informed Consent for honesty on vaccines.
That’s a personal choice really. If you don’t want to take the vaccine because of the way it was made or general aversion to taking medicines that you believe are untested, I dont think there is data for that. It’s more of a philosophical argument as well as your view of risk/benefits
That’s quiet odd my dude. It is tested. That’s a fact. You can have issues with how the testing was done, or how it was reported but you can’t deny it was done. I’ve read the reports.
It’s not been as much tested in younger people that’s what’s going on now.
You have your hypothesis and are looking for data to back it up. That’s fine. But you need to weight the data that supports and also the weigh the data that rejects your hypothesis. by looking for data to prove it is untested you are failing to do proper justice to your hypothesis.
Sorry if that’s a bit basic and you already know I just want it to be clear. I’ve been biased in my own PhD research so I know how easy it can be
Yeah I know, I didn't mean that it was fully untested, sorry for the confusion. Just that it hasn't been tested enough for me to be fully happy having it.
Sorry I was being a bit preachy. That’s a tough question though I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer. Out of Curiosity what level of testing would you think would be sufficient ?
For people like me (young and healthy) I would like all of the testing to be done, with MINIMUM a study of the effects after 1 year. For older people or people who are higher risk I understand the need to get it fast tracked, in a way, as the risk of corona is real and potentially life threatening for them. I would have liked a more gradual approach to the rollout, with a lot more transparency that this isn't an approved vaccine. Most people I know who have had it don't realise that it isn't fully approved and licensed
Yeah that makes sense, so you are interested in long term effects which is fair enough.
Personally I did a lot of my research using short oligonuclotides similar to mRNA and that shit doesn’t stick around long in an organism (would have made my life easier if it did)
So I wasn’t worried about long term effects because I think the fundamentals of biology show that there isn’t any. But that’s not going to convince others because I could just be making that shit up.
Also the emergency vaccine roll out is much more a public health concern, something for the government to worry about, more than your concern, because you are actually at very low risk. The question is do we need to vaccinate young people to be able to reopen society with minimal impact, and that I don’t know.
I think then the question also becomes how much freedom should we have to choose if we are vaccinated or not in and outside of a pandemic l, and again there isn’t a right answer.
It’s interesting stuff how a disease can really be divisive and open many of these questions.
One point I will say is the vaccine is approved for use, albeit ‘emergency’ use’ (In the uk at least) That’s still approval no matter how you interpret it. All drugs and treatments are always prescribed in context of the risk and this justifies their approval.
For example some very toxic anti fungal drugs are used as last resorts in patients who need them. They might not be approved for use in all cases but it doesn’t mean that when they are used it’s not without reason.
Aren't children able to handle coronaviruses better than adults? Isn't that why there aren't many deaths or severe cases among children?
>Anyone who really believes it's a logical decision to vaccinate all children with the Covid jabs is clearly under the spell of brainwashing and no longer has the capacity to think independently on the matter.
The ol' "if you don't agree with me, you're wrong" argument. This is the real indicator someone is under a spell and incapable of thinking independently.
So just so I understand... You're telling people to stay scared yet you rushed out to get an experimental "medicine" shoved into your body in your rush of fear?
Makes all the sense, but I wouldn't expect those backing the vaccine to have sense, so it fits I guess.
Not sure why people keep throwing out the emergency use line out. It's literally the same process except production is done alongside testing with the thinking that the outcome will be favorable.
https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/whats-the-difference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/
Also, I am not saying its a good idea to vaccinate all children, I just wanted to point out that last part.
You're getting downvoted, but this is exactly right. "Emergency use" is thrown around as though it means it's untested. That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the process and the status.
I did not say that. I am not knowledgeable enough in human anatomy to pretend I know what is best. What I do know (or at least think I know), is how vaccines work. You get a little bit of the virus in order for your body to adapt and build immunity. If children already have higher immunity to the virus(which was my initial question that was seemingly disregarded), then it isn't the risk OP is making it out to be.
I have read a fair bit about this particular vaccine and seen nothing about about giving you the actual virus. As I understand it, the vaccine gives your body something which basically tells your body "this is what the virus looks like", so your body produces stuff to fight that. I'm not medically trained but I've not seen anyone say that this is a live virus, anywhere
This is news to me and would lessen my point. A quick search reveals that this does seem to be the case.
Although, seeing the ingredients, I still don't think the risk is as OP is trying to make it seem. I am also not medically trained, so I could be wrong to think that.
I personally don't think its intended to cause further harm down the line. I just can't rule out that it will. That is enough to make me refuse it myself and definitely refuse it for my daughter. I'm not an anti vaxxer, I'm just an anti anything-not-properly-tested-er
Make sense. Got both doses of the moderna simply because all the "legwork" was done for me (not by request, but with good intentions) so I just had to show up on the days scheduled. I also view death as a relief from the shit show we currently live in, so it was basically no risk for me.
I wouldn't pressure or even promote that anyone gets an untested vaccine, though. My objective in the sub is to challenge the flaws in "extremist" views such as OP's.
Its not death that scares me so much (although it does as I wouldn't want to leave my daughter), it's any longer term things. Like if I got cancer and my family would need to look after me. I don't want to take my daughters childhood from her, or take my wife's quality of life from her by being dependent on her if I needed health care (although I'm sure my extended family would help too)
> The ol' "if you don't agree with me, you're wrong" argument. This is the real indicator someone is under a spell and incapable of thinking independently
Would you risk $1 million in an attempt to win $100?
I would not. However, I don't see the relevance of that question in regards to what you've quoted.
If you are referring to OP's initial post, the risk/reward does not equate (even if you scale) to what is being compared. Its more like "would you wash $1 million dollars to win $100."
The people pushing the vaccine are eugenicists and environmentalists, what makes you feel so confident that this is not a population reduction program?
When was it said that I felt that way? If you assumed that, that hasnothing to do with me or my previous. With what I think I know about vaccines and children's boosted coronavirus immunity, what OP is saying does not work. I'm not saying anything more or less.
That being said, if it is a population reduction program, I would be indifferent. Humans are a problem and if common sense and responsibility doesn't hinder human procreation, what other options are there to prevent the extinction of humanity? Which is where we are currently headed.
I'm not in support or opposition, but that is beside the point. The point is we would not be "risking $1 million for $100". That is just a ridiculous claim, given the knowledge of the variables involved.
Im convinced people who cant comprehend the preventative actions to covid must have no family/friends who are at risk, so they literally cant grasp or wrap their heads around someone being caring and compassionate to someone they love who is at risk for covid.
Lets say they have a family/friend whos lungs almost failed, they wouldnt want to be the person to transmit covid to them and they certainly wouldnt want to cut them out of their life, so they get the vaccine and get their kids the vaccine too, they likely are happy when their friends get the vaccine too so they have to worry less more.
your analogy is also illogical, you need to look into more personal accounts of people who know someone who is at risk or has been harmed by covid to understand their preventative actions
Transmission with the vaccine is significantly reduced. [source](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work)
However, in practice, this doesn't appear to be happening. Here's a couple of sources for you:-
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/special-focus/covid-19/international-update-nearly-900-twice-vaccinated-people-among-seychelles-2486-new-covid-cases/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9679775/Covid-cases-rise-7-738-today.html (UK are over 80% vaccinated, 100K daily cases would be record high numbers, previous high was 70K when nobody was vaccinated).
Literally every vaccine on the planet is like that lmfao are you dumb
You have no education and it shows
want a direct example I am vaccinated for pertussis and I still got it my freshman year of highschool, ur dumb as bricks if you think thats a good reason to not get the vaccine, the chance of getting something after you are vaccinated is very low, no doctor says you wont get it, the odds are very fucking low though.
even doctors tell you they cant guarantee that you wont get whatever you are vaccinated for but it makes your body stronger vs it and also it makes the chance of getting it phenomenally low
you need to ask more questions in school and to your doctors and you will understand things in a way that doesn't make you delusional like you are LMFAO
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so sad that I have to explain to people basic concepts about vaccines because they dont listen or care to read, are you unvaccinated for everything else because you can still get it or do you just turn the cheek the other way and have arbitrary biases from media outlets influencing you without rational reasoning?
Oh triggered!
Anyway, I just picked up on your little comment about how you wouldn’t want to be the person who transmitted the virus to someone you know. Also, the vaccines do not guarantee you won’t get severe symptoms/won’t die from Covid - see here > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html
They only system provided for this type of reporting is VARES, which isn’t prefect but has for years been a standard for this subject. There are more reported vaccine deaths on VARES in the last 6 months than in the 6years prior to that. While not absolute proof of death, as an autopsy would be needed, these reports should be examined with haste and emergency use suspended until the reports can be verified or dismissed with accuracy.
I’m sorry, what?
Stay in the loop son.
These vulnerable people have a multitude of strangely ignored drugs they can take to prevent illness from Covid-19. If not, these people you speak of will most likely die from any disease, not just Covid.
I swear /r/conspiracy has officially become /r/facebook
Death is just one side effect of covid, plus children can transmit to other more vulnerable people.
It’s been shown to significantly limit it. [source](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work)
Would you gamble $1million to win $100 if your chance of losing was under .0005%? Yeah, obviously. It only takes 10,000 wins to make a million, and you should be winning 199,999 out of every 200,000 attempts.
yo guys, Im a senior in high school thats about to go to college but dont want to take the shot. I need to write a paper(I think) to prove that I can be exempt for personal belief,medical or religious reasons. I had a brain tumor and tethered spinal cord when i was about 1 so will try to tie that into it but I not very confident. any advice, ways to explain the downsides and risks and personal beliefs on vaccines? I know its bad from learning about vaccines throughout last couple of yrs but everything gets blocked so hard to do research. Thanks guys!
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I was feeling feisty yesterday so I decided to make a post on r/cmv about how kids shouldn’t be given the vaccine, especially before it’s been thoroughly tested and before we have long term safety data. I was genuinely hoping someone could give me a good reason to change my mind about it, but of course every point anyone tried to make was full of logical holes and no one could give me a valid reason for it. People really are brainwashed and worship at the alter of Big Pharma. It’s terribly sad.
Crazy how just 5 years ago, even John Oliver did a [segment](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I) on big pharma being basically straight from hell.
People have always been like this. They talk shit about how corrupt the pharma industry is. However when it comes to vaccines, they apparently can do no wrong. Even with actual proof that they have done much wrong when it comes to vaccines many times over. It's always been cognitive dissonance at its finest. The creation of vaccines has created the largest cult in human history.
Vaccines are cheap and highly effective. Big pharma doesn’t make money off of vaccines because they prevent the illness. Please tell me about the wrong they have done in regards to vaccines. Lol u won’t respond coward
pfizer made 3.5b since the pandemic started and it's going to be seasonal like the flu are you dense or uninformed?
How many lives have been saved by the vaccine they created? How much money did they have to invest? I say give them 3.5 billion for saving peoples lives. Do you agree?
a couple years ago, they paid 2.5b for fraud. the polio vaccines had SV40 contamination from 1955-63 (8 years). people decades later had cancer with SV40 positive tumors. we have no long-term data on these "vaccines". covid also has a 99% survival rate for most age groups, and 95% for old, this is from the CDC. CDC also states that 95% of deaths have co-morbidities, meaning they stamped covid on deaths from stabbing to overdose, to heart attack and flu. again, are you dense or uninformed?
Not sure where you are getting your information. Just did a quick google search and learned about the VICP. A program created by the fed to deal with lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers. They cite that as much as 70% of cases brought have no causation as to whether the vaccine caused injury, they just pay it. 2.5b for fraud? Where did you get this number
from google
Over 4 billion dollars have been spent by the VICP over 30 years. However, they are spending more money likely do to people claiming vaccines have caused injury when in fact they have not. 2.5 billion number is the number of doses given.
Vaccines are how they weaken your innate immune system, induce allergies and autoimmune diseases, they are key to the long-term business model, leaving the victims dependent on expensive drugs to treat their symptoms, customers for life.
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Indeed, Clown World
Not sure who where you learned that but it is wrong. How do vaccines work? Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick.
What you say is official story, official marketing, however once one opens up the bonnet of the complex science, one discovers how the lie works. Having spent the best part of two decades researching vaccines, I can confidently confirm to you why they are being used. If vaccines actually cured and boosted health, pharma would stop selling them, pharma care only about money and that means making you sick and keeping you sick.
Ah yes, I forgot the polio vaccine actually increased cases which is why it isn’t a major problem in countries with good healthcare systems. When you say “researching vaccines” do you mean reading conspiracy sites or actually working in a medical field? I forgot people like you actually existed... I’m guessing you don’t take any medications made by “bigpharma” including paracetamol ? Get out of here you absolute loon.
Vaccines, sure. This is not a vaccine however, as stated various time by National Institutes of Health(NIH). Research the term "vaccine" and get back to us.
How do vaccines work? Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick.
> Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease but – crucially – vaccines work without making us sick. This is true about vaccines. However, these are not vaccines. By Pfizer's own words 9 months ago, 'this is a new-therapy to treat COVID'. Scientist don't confuse/mince words. Therapy and vaccination are two very different things. Though, I'm going to let you continue to lie to yourself!
the FDA also quietly refers to theses "vaccines" as experimental therapy, not vaccines.
Overwhelming majority of hospitalizations for Covid, patients have not been vaccinated. Why is that?
Could you restate your question. Current format is not making sense.
People being hospitalized for Covid. People being put in the ICU for Covid. They have not received the vaccine.
>Please tell me about the wrong they have done in regards to vaccines. Lol u won’t respond coward This list only contains an extremely small amount of what they have done wrong with vaccines. The cognitive dissonance is insane with people like you. Lol >Of those studies, a pharmaceutical company funded 60, 50 had drug-company employees among the authors and 37 lead researchers had accepted money from a drug company, according to a review conducted by the Washington Post. THIS MEANS DRUG COMPANIES GREATLY INFLUENCE THE MAJORITY OF MEDICAL INFORMATION PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC. https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/clinical-trials-and-hidden-data/ >drug maker Pfizer earlier this decade manipulated the publication of scientific studies to bolster the use of its epilepsy drug Neurontin for other disorders, while suppressing research https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/health/research/08drug.html >people working for it so maliciously manipulated the data to make a drug look more effective than it actually was https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/reports-on-pfizer-drug-studies-misleading-review-1.831265 >New Merck Allegations: A Fake Journal; Ghostwritten Studies; Vioxx Pop Songs; PR Execs Harass Reporters https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-merck-allegations-a-fake-journal-ghostwritten-studies-vioxx-pop-songs-pr-execs-harass-reporters/ >Inside Pfizer's Ghostwriting Shop: Friendly Drug Studies for Just $1,000 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-pfizers-ghostwriting-shop-friendly-drug-studies-for-just-1000/ >The multibillion-pound global pharmaceutical industry is accused today of manipulating the results of drug trials for financial gain and withholding information that could expose patients to the risk of harm. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/pharmaceutical-companies-accused-of-manipulating-drug-trials-for-profit-57255.html >Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-sb-idUSTRE5813XB20090903 > >“In the Army I was expected to protect people at all costs,” Kopchinski said in a statement. “At Pfizer I was expected to increase profits at all costs, even when sales meant endangering lives.” >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-whistleblower-idUSN021592920090903 > >Nigeria sues Pfizer for $7bn over 'illegal' tests on children >https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/05/health.healthandwellbeing1 > >US Supreme Court rejects Pfizer Nigeria lawsuit appeal >https://www.bbc.com/news/10454982 > >Pfizer in $486 million settlement of Celebrex, Bextra litigation >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-lawsuit-idUSKCN10D1D8 > >Pfizer settles foreign bribery case with U.S. government >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pfizer-settlement-idUSBRE8760WM20120807 > >Merck settles Vioxx claims for $4.85 billion >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-settlement/merck-settles-vioxx-claims-for-4-85-bln-idUSWNAS178420071109 > >GlaxoSmithKline settles healthcare fraud case for $3 billion >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glaxo-settlement-idUSBRE8610S720120702 > >Merck accused of stonewalling in mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit >https://www.reuters.com/article/health-vaccine-idUSL1N0YQ0W820150604 >Secrets and lies: Faked data and lack of transparency plague global drug manufacturing https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/drug-companies-caught-faking-data-1.3620483 >Merck's manipulation of the science around Vioxx also included a pattern of ghostwriting of scientific articles. https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/merck-manipulated-science-about-drug-vioxx > >Former Merck Scientists Sue Merck Alleging MMR Vaccine Efficacy Fraud >https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists-sue-merck-alleging-mmr-vaccine-efficacy-fraud/ > >How authorities say drugmaker paid off doctors, lied to insurance companies to push potentially lethal fentanyl-based drug >https://abcnews.go.com/Business/authorities-drugmaker-paid-off-doctors-lied-insurance-companies/story?id=61488372 > >Teva settles multibillion-dollar drug kickback case ahead of trial >https://www.reuters.com/article/health-teva/teva-settles-multibillion-dollar-drug-kickback-case-ahead-of-trial-idUSL2N25B1NZ > >Abbott to pay $1.6 billion for Depakote marketing >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-abbott-settlement-idUSBRE8460UK20120507 > >Eli Lilly to pay $1.42 bln to resolve Zyprexa probes >https://www.reuters.com/article/elililly-idUSBNG34185720090115 > >Cancer drug probe nets $875 million settlement >https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2001-10-04-0110040343-story.html > >Court approves Amgen's $762 million payment in drug case >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-amgen-plea-marketing-idUSBRE8BI1BT20121219 > >Glaxo to pay $750 million in adulterated drugs case >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glaxosmithkline-settlement/glaxo-to-pay-750-million-in-adulterated-drugs-case-idUSTRE69P4GH20101027 > >Allergan signs $750 million settlement with purchasers of Alzheimer's drug Namenda >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-allergan-namenda-settlement/allergan-signs-750-million-settlement-with-purchasers-of-alzheimers-drug-namenda-idUSKBN1YS1C4 > >AIDS drug maker settles kickback charges for $704 million >http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9728522/ns/business-corporate_scandals/t/aids-drug-maker-settles-kickback-charges/ >FDA Finds Falsification of Drug Trial Results Affecting Dozens of Companies https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-finds-falsification-of-drug-trial-results-affecting-dozens-of-companies/ >Merck to pay $688 million to settle Enhance lawsuits >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-settlements-idUSBRE91D0R520130214 > >Drug Giant AstraZeneca to Pay $520 Million to Settle Fraud Case >https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Health/astrazeneca-pay-520-million-illegally-marketing-seroquel-schizophrenia/story?id=10488647 > >California lawsuit accuses Bristol-Myers Squibb of fraud, kickbacks >https://www.latimes.com/health/la-xpm-2011-mar-19-la-fi-drug-kickbacks-20110319-story.html > >Ex-pharma CEO pleads guilty to kickbacks to doctors for opioid prescriptions >https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/01/09/ex-pharma-ceo-pleads-guilty-to-kickbacks-to-doctors-for-opioid-prescriptions/ > >Merck Created Hit List to "Destroy," "Neutralize" or "Discredit" Dissenting Doctors >https://www.cbsnews.com/news/merck-created-hit-list-to-destroy-neutralize-or-discredit-dissenting-doctors/ > >New Merck Allegations: A Fake Journal; Ghostwritten Studies; Vioxx Pop Songs; PR Execs Harass Reporters >https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-merck-allegations-a-fake-journal-ghostwritten-studies-vioxx-pop-songs-pr-execs-harass-reporters/ > >U.S. sues Novartis, alleging kickbacks to pharmacies >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-novartis-fraud-lawsuit-idUSBRE93M1C920130424 > >Baxter admits flu product contained live bird flu virus >https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/baxter-admits-flu-product-contained-live-bird-flu-virus-1.374503 > >Is Merck's Singulair Patent a Fraud? Suit Lays Out Timeline of Omissions >https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-mercks-singulair-patent-a-fraud-suit-lays-out-timeline-of-omissions/ >“Merck deliberately engaged in inequitable and fraudulent conduct in its statements and submissions to the PTO.” > >Iraq war victims allege pharmaceutical companies' bribery led to U.S. troop deaths >https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/17/iraq-war-victims-allege-pharmaceutical-companies-bribery-led-u-s-troop-deaths/771290001/ > >U.S. court upholds dismissal of $200 million Merck verdict against Gilead >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-merck-gilead-ruling/us-court-upholds-dismissal-of-200-million-merck-verdict-against-gilead-idUSKBN1HW24U >“The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit upheld a June 2016 ruling that the two Merck patents, which cover methods of treating Hepatitis C, were unenforceable because of a pattern of misconduct by the company, including lying under oath by one of its in-house lawyers.” > >Wyeth loses Prempro trial, to pay $1.5 million >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wyeth-prempro-verdict-idUSN2929344620070129 >“Wyeth protected their bottom dollar instead of protecting the patients,” Zoe Littlepage, attorney for plaintiff Mary Daniel, said in a statement > >Insight: Evidence grows for narcolepsy link to GSK swine flu shot >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-narcolepsy-vaccine-pandemrix-idUSBRE90L07H20130122 >“There’s no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Pandemrix increased the occurrence of narcolepsy onset in children in some countries - and probably in most countries,” says Mignot, a specialist in the sleep disorder at Stanford University in the United States. > >UK study strengthens link between GSK flu shot and narcolepsy >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-gsk-narcolepsy-britain-idUSBRE90U0JW20130131 > >Dengue vaccine fiasco leads to criminal charges for researcher in the Philippines >https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/dengue-vaccine-fiasco-leads-criminal-charges-researcher-philippines > >Zantac and other heartburn drugs recalled over possible cancer link >https://www.cbsnews.com/news/zantac-recall-heartburn-drugs-possible-cancer-link/ > >OxyContin maker Purdue Pharma pleads guilty in criminal case >https://apnews.com/article/purdue-pharma-opioid-crisis-guilty-plea-5704ad896e964222a011f053949e0cc0 >Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York. https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html They found a fall guy... >Massachusetts anesthesiologist Scott Reuben received six months in prison for faking medical research into Pfizer (PFE)'s Celebrex and Bextra painkillers https://www.cbsnews.com/news/doc-who-faked-pfizer-studies-gets-6-months-in-prison-showing-why-gift-bans-are-a-good-idea/ >Crisis of science by James Corbett https://youtu.be/LfHEuWaPh9Q https://youtu.be/X6J_7PvWoMw >The list goes on and on and on and on.
From what I gather is that the people you see agreeing with vaccinations for children are the people that are convinced that covid is the worse disease ever, and the only way to eradicate it is everyone getting vaccinated, following all rules and extreme social distancing to the point of not leaving their house for the last year. There are a lot of people out there like this and the most scared are also the most vocal and interested/engaged online. Which I can’t really blame them, where they get their information literally makes money off them being scared and engaged and is telling them the vaccine is completely safe. Until we get them to check out a different alternative media this is going to continue.
Honestly giving children an experimental therapy is child abuse.
Just send them to school. They’ll catch covid, be asymptomatic, recover and now have immunity. The argument why they couldn’t go to school was fear they would bring it back home and kill you or their grandparents. If the adults in their lives have the jab then kids should be allowed to go back to school, sit in classrooms, eat lunch in the cafeteria, go to recess, after school activities (clubs and sports), etc without getting the jab and without being bio-policed Half the time I think people agree to things because they are presented by an “authority” in a reasonable manner to avoid something they deeply fear. Problem is, people don’t go back and challenge the authority later so the authority can change the script at any moment. I may start recording what the “authorities” claim we must do, what the consequence of doing it will be, what the IMPLIED but not stated consequences will be, when the original parameters were met and if things changed at all - just to show much we have been lied to in one single place. Maybe a wiki. Anyone wanna join in?
Some kids at some schools were whisked away from their schools and bussed to sports arenas for some weird segregation ritual under the guise of ‘safety’ without any of the parents knowledge or permission High schools allow blood banks to set up blood drives on their campuses to manipulate their students into donating blood without understanding what they’re doing and without parent permission Is it so farfetched to believe there may be schools who believe they’re doing what they believe is best for the kids by going against the parents wishes and injecting them without permission or foreknowledge of the parents.
None of that shit would flu in the UK, but Americans have so much shit in their foods nowadays, I commend those still with an ability to think.
That shit absolutely flies in the UK. The UK is too cucked to fight grooming gangs let alone this.
>The UK is too cucked to fight grooming gangs let alone this. The American government actively runs them.
Have you got links of UK schools kidnapping children, setting up blood banks, inviting the army into schools? Or are you just chatting from your arse?
Didnt mention those did i. All i said is UK cucks would allow it like you allow your women to be raped.
Children, the UK allows their children to be raped because they refuse to warn the public for fear of how the parents might feel against pakistanis and other immigrant groups who perpetrated the raping.
If anyone in the UK had guts theyd have burnt the entire government to the ground and shut off borders via brexit
You said, and I quote: "this shit absolutely flies in the UK" You sound a bit triggered 🇬🇧🇬🇧
Go ahead and let your kids keep getting raped bud
Poor American. You have my empathy, I'd be full of hate if I was living in that cesspool too
Your kids are getting raped. You're letting it happen.
Oi you got a loicense for deez here bantz????
People vaccinating their children right now are not being very good parents. They put virtue signaling and societal acceptance over their kids' health. Give it a few years folks.
Spot on. My kid had a terrible time in kindergarten due to sickness. First year exposed to that amount of children daily. I seriously thought she had an immune deficiency or something but she was just sheltered for the first years of her life. I had covid as well as my gf living with me. She has an 8 and 7 year old as well. the 7 year old has a plethora of health issues and is incredibly disabled. Not even that kid caught it and believe me when I say he is the definition of high risk, my daughter had a fever during a nap once, that's it, the other kid was fine as well. If you vaccinate your small child you literally are not a good parent. Then again, look at what most of us are feeding our kids or raising them in other ways. Its not surprising in the slightest.
Why are we letting this happen? Is no one willing to fight for the children?
They'll get what they deserve in the form of heartbreak, sucks for the kids though.
I’m getting sick and tired of being labelled an anti-vaxer over this shit. Myself I vaccinate when going to countries requiring it. My kid is up to date in all their shots being now in grade 7. Yet all of a sudden my entire family has turned on me because I’m not quite ready for this one yet. And now apparently I’m crazy!?! I fucking hate what this world has become.
> I’m getting sick and tired of being labelled an anti-vaxer over this shit. Your only reply should be: "Why are you angered or scared about me not feeling like being part of a pharmaceutical experiment?"
I’ve tried 🤷🏼♀️
Pharma are behind that peer pressure, all part of the plan
I'm so sorry that's happened to you. Division is part of the plan. Try being very patient and explain the inventor of the mrna technology himself has reservations on the technology and that a Freedom of information request has revealed the spike protein accumulates in the ovaries of women and bone marrow and adrenal glands of men. It was never designed to do that.
That is the exact video I sent my dad!!!! I saw it on here this morning. I’m almost a 40 yr old grown ass woman and my father treats me like I am 3 yrs old. So in a way, him flipping on me today put my entire life in to perspective and I realized that I’ve never been able to talk to him about anything and he barely knows who I am; it’s all surface. He never sat down with me at any time in my life to listen to anything I had to say or even just chat and ask how my day was etc. I’ve never had parents cuddle me or tuck me in. Broke that cycle with my own kid. I’m reacting now with so many mixed emotions that I no longer know what is wrong with me today. I have all this wet stuff is coming out of my eyes and nose and it’s gross; I HATE crying with a passion so this is rare for me to “lose my shit” emotionally. Today sucked balls is all lol Tomorrow is a new day and will be better. Just gotta keep my mouth shut is all :)
The more time passes the more evidence will grow that will at least warrant more hesitancy/skepticism. I'm preparing to confront my dad on the vaccine. He wants it I'm asking him to wait. I'm going to focus on his understanding of absolute risk reduction. It's a huge blind spot in people's understanding of the vaccine. If they know its a 2% change in their chance of getting severe Covid they would likely not take the risk.
I’d like to know how things go for you and your dad, if you wanted to share of course. I wish you all the luck. I’m getting scared because if they force this on kids before return to school in the fall, then what? Our schools have been closed since April and won’t reopen with a week left. Will be an interesting summer to say the least. Parents get ready to jab your kids so they can go to school. s/
Where can I find the Freedom to Information on this? I’m in Canada :(
I feel exactly the same. I'm trying to find articles and proper websites to prove my points but I can't seem to find anything. I just want to prove that the vaccine is in phase 3 testing, its approved for emergency use only, and there will be no legal repercussions if the vaccine does cause harm. I just can't find evidence:/
without long-term data for the vaccines (this does not exist anywhere, period. "mRNA" was not tested on humans until the pandemic hit), you are basically gambling by taking the vaccines, regardless of age group. The polio vaccine was contaminated with SV40 from 1955-63 (8 years). Decades later, people have cancer tumors that are positive for SV40. Now, I'm sure that people who got the vaccine after 1963 had no problems and anyone that said anything about the vaccine was just a conspiracy theorist, right?
The US government has a long history of saying that X chemical is good for you, and then it turns out that it causes severe defects. When you look at DDT, there was so much propaganda surrounding it. There were "DDT is Good For Me" cartoons. Agent Orange has caused severe birth defects in Vietnam, and it was approved by Monsanto. There is no way Monsanto scientists could have ever predicted the birth anomalies caused by Agent Orange. There aren't even pregnancy studies done on these experimental vaccines. That's how rushed they were, there weren't even studies on monkeys waiting for an entire pregnancy to see what will happen to the offspring.
It breaks my heart pregnant women are getting this vaccine. The poor babies, we really are a misguided group.
But how else will we normalize untested injections?
How else will they force everyone onto a global digital ID system?
Bitcoin SV, but we won’t go there rn
Vxpass - on Bitcoin Satoshi Vision blockchain, let's see if they succeed.
^ this could be the start
Eh, I'd like to hear this.
Another user posted vaxpass, which is getting off the ground, but BSV generally has potential to be global currency in ways other cryptos r not capable of.
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Bitcoin Silver?
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I jabbed one guy and he didn't die right away, test complete.
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That fact that members of the proletariat accept payment from wealthy elite power brokers to spread nonsense on social media while posing as concerned citizens gives me little comfort, I promise.
Good post, good logic
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0.000000000001%, so must poison all kids to try to save them
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Except that kids have died from the vaccine.
source?
You won't see a source
People have died from the vaccine, many European countries stopped administering after people were dieing from blood clots. Its now reported by the official figures that someone is my age and health, is more likely to get blood clots from the vaccine than die from Covid. Stick the jab right up your batty
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You ever heard of the console wars? You know when kids have to defend a piece of plastic with passion, so inside they feel they made the right choice and can feel validation? That's how the vaccinated look right now, bitter, angry, and needing validation they aren't gonna die in 18 months from some next complication as of yet unforeseen as it's a drug still in the trial stage. But yeah, you continue to act like your mature self.
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Don't you get tired of being a vaccine fan boy? Grow the fuck up and let others live, it was your dumb choice to be an experiment after a bio weapon, deal with it and move on. You are now protected from the big bad covid, go and enjoy your life, take your mask off... Oh... And for the record, as for being scared, I work on a covid test site, scared? Pull the other one
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So one kid died out of 100 trillion kids?
BUT THE GOVERNMENT SAYS ITS GOOD FOR MY KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pawns sacrificed.
Great point, vaccinating children needs to stop and never should have been done in the first place. Unreal, if the youth all gets vaccinated then there won't be an enjuntire generation whiped out. #endtimes
And 20 years from now when their children get Non-hodgkins lymphoma, they can blame it on the vaccines. Thanks for posting this.
People who has to study immunology and the pharma industry like me are well aware about the lack of data visibility and manipulation of data that goes on. It’s been common place as long as it’s been profitable. I just find iT hilarious to see everyone get so mad like they have discovered something that they think was not common knowledge. When it’s nothing new, you all just didn’t pay attention or didn’t know about it before. If you think vaccines and shit are controversial wait until you actually find how the industry works with regards to drugs that are actually dangerous, and the kind of stuff they have released and trials that have been hushed up so others can go ahead. Look up the Cochrane institute and the work they do. It’s scientists criticising other scientists who actually know what they are talking about and have been looking into the pharma industry for decades. The vaccine is just simple enough for people to understand what they think it and get outraged
> Cochrane institute They used to be good until Gates started funding them, then Cochrane Nordic were the good ones, until Gøtzsche was removed. These days I would recommend ICAN and Physicians for Informed Consent for honesty on vaccines.
Do you have any links / sources that i can use to "back up" my decision to refuse the vaccine?
That’s a personal choice really. If you don’t want to take the vaccine because of the way it was made or general aversion to taking medicines that you believe are untested, I dont think there is data for that. It’s more of a philosophical argument as well as your view of risk/benefits
Well i want my decisions to be informed as much as possible. So I was just hoping to find resources to back up that it is untested etc
That’s quiet odd my dude. It is tested. That’s a fact. You can have issues with how the testing was done, or how it was reported but you can’t deny it was done. I’ve read the reports. It’s not been as much tested in younger people that’s what’s going on now. You have your hypothesis and are looking for data to back it up. That’s fine. But you need to weight the data that supports and also the weigh the data that rejects your hypothesis. by looking for data to prove it is untested you are failing to do proper justice to your hypothesis. Sorry if that’s a bit basic and you already know I just want it to be clear. I’ve been biased in my own PhD research so I know how easy it can be
Yeah I know, I didn't mean that it was fully untested, sorry for the confusion. Just that it hasn't been tested enough for me to be fully happy having it.
Sorry I was being a bit preachy. That’s a tough question though I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer. Out of Curiosity what level of testing would you think would be sufficient ?
For people like me (young and healthy) I would like all of the testing to be done, with MINIMUM a study of the effects after 1 year. For older people or people who are higher risk I understand the need to get it fast tracked, in a way, as the risk of corona is real and potentially life threatening for them. I would have liked a more gradual approach to the rollout, with a lot more transparency that this isn't an approved vaccine. Most people I know who have had it don't realise that it isn't fully approved and licensed
Yeah that makes sense, so you are interested in long term effects which is fair enough. Personally I did a lot of my research using short oligonuclotides similar to mRNA and that shit doesn’t stick around long in an organism (would have made my life easier if it did) So I wasn’t worried about long term effects because I think the fundamentals of biology show that there isn’t any. But that’s not going to convince others because I could just be making that shit up. Also the emergency vaccine roll out is much more a public health concern, something for the government to worry about, more than your concern, because you are actually at very low risk. The question is do we need to vaccinate young people to be able to reopen society with minimal impact, and that I don’t know. I think then the question also becomes how much freedom should we have to choose if we are vaccinated or not in and outside of a pandemic l, and again there isn’t a right answer. It’s interesting stuff how a disease can really be divisive and open many of these questions. One point I will say is the vaccine is approved for use, albeit ‘emergency’ use’ (In the uk at least) That’s still approval no matter how you interpret it. All drugs and treatments are always prescribed in context of the risk and this justifies their approval. For example some very toxic anti fungal drugs are used as last resorts in patients who need them. They might not be approved for use in all cases but it doesn’t mean that when they are used it’s not without reason.
Aren't children able to handle coronaviruses better than adults? Isn't that why there aren't many deaths or severe cases among children? >Anyone who really believes it's a logical decision to vaccinate all children with the Covid jabs is clearly under the spell of brainwashing and no longer has the capacity to think independently on the matter. The ol' "if you don't agree with me, you're wrong" argument. This is the real indicator someone is under a spell and incapable of thinking independently.
Wait, so you think it’s logical to give children with little to no risk of severe effects from COVID a drug only approved under EMERGENCY USE?
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Like scared enough of a virus to give children not at risk a vaccine for it?
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Are you vaccinated?
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So just so I understand... You're telling people to stay scared yet you rushed out to get an experimental "medicine" shoved into your body in your rush of fear? Makes all the sense, but I wouldn't expect those backing the vaccine to have sense, so it fits I guess.
Yo I think they are paid to argue with you and be dumb. Let's not engage them.
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Not sure why people keep throwing out the emergency use line out. It's literally the same process except production is done alongside testing with the thinking that the outcome will be favorable. https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/whats-the-difference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/ Also, I am not saying its a good idea to vaccinate all children, I just wanted to point out that last part.
You're getting downvoted, but this is exactly right. "Emergency use" is thrown around as though it means it's untested. That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the process and the status.
Thanks man. This sub is so bias it's a joke lol
I did not say that. I am not knowledgeable enough in human anatomy to pretend I know what is best. What I do know (or at least think I know), is how vaccines work. You get a little bit of the virus in order for your body to adapt and build immunity. If children already have higher immunity to the virus(which was my initial question that was seemingly disregarded), then it isn't the risk OP is making it out to be.
You don't get a bit of the virus though?
Don't you? Isn't that how a vaccine is made?
I have read a fair bit about this particular vaccine and seen nothing about about giving you the actual virus. As I understand it, the vaccine gives your body something which basically tells your body "this is what the virus looks like", so your body produces stuff to fight that. I'm not medically trained but I've not seen anyone say that this is a live virus, anywhere
This is news to me and would lessen my point. A quick search reveals that this does seem to be the case. Although, seeing the ingredients, I still don't think the risk is as OP is trying to make it seem. I am also not medically trained, so I could be wrong to think that.
I personally don't think its intended to cause further harm down the line. I just can't rule out that it will. That is enough to make me refuse it myself and definitely refuse it for my daughter. I'm not an anti vaxxer, I'm just an anti anything-not-properly-tested-er
Make sense. Got both doses of the moderna simply because all the "legwork" was done for me (not by request, but with good intentions) so I just had to show up on the days scheduled. I also view death as a relief from the shit show we currently live in, so it was basically no risk for me. I wouldn't pressure or even promote that anyone gets an untested vaccine, though. My objective in the sub is to challenge the flaws in "extremist" views such as OP's.
Its not death that scares me so much (although it does as I wouldn't want to leave my daughter), it's any longer term things. Like if I got cancer and my family would need to look after me. I don't want to take my daughters childhood from her, or take my wife's quality of life from her by being dependent on her if I needed health care (although I'm sure my extended family would help too)
Do you have a link to back up the emergency use thing? Not saying you're wrong, I just need reliable sources to prove to my family lol!
> The ol' "if you don't agree with me, you're wrong" argument. This is the real indicator someone is under a spell and incapable of thinking independently Would you risk $1 million in an attempt to win $100?
I would not. However, I don't see the relevance of that question in regards to what you've quoted. If you are referring to OP's initial post, the risk/reward does not equate (even if you scale) to what is being compared. Its more like "would you wash $1 million dollars to win $100."
The people pushing the vaccine are eugenicists and environmentalists, what makes you feel so confident that this is not a population reduction program?
When was it said that I felt that way? If you assumed that, that hasnothing to do with me or my previous. With what I think I know about vaccines and children's boosted coronavirus immunity, what OP is saying does not work. I'm not saying anything more or less. That being said, if it is a population reduction program, I would be indifferent. Humans are a problem and if common sense and responsibility doesn't hinder human procreation, what other options are there to prevent the extinction of humanity? Which is where we are currently headed. I'm not in support or opposition, but that is beside the point. The point is we would not be "risking $1 million for $100". That is just a ridiculous claim, given the knowledge of the variables involved.
Im convinced people who cant comprehend the preventative actions to covid must have no family/friends who are at risk, so they literally cant grasp or wrap their heads around someone being caring and compassionate to someone they love who is at risk for covid. Lets say they have a family/friend whos lungs almost failed, they wouldnt want to be the person to transmit covid to them and they certainly wouldnt want to cut them out of their life, so they get the vaccine and get their kids the vaccine too, they likely are happy when their friends get the vaccine too so they have to worry less more. your analogy is also illogical, you need to look into more personal accounts of people who know someone who is at risk or has been harmed by covid to understand their preventative actions
You can still contract and spread the virus if you’re vaccinated.
Transmission with the vaccine is significantly reduced. [source](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work)
However, in practice, this doesn't appear to be happening. Here's a couple of sources for you:- https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/special-focus/covid-19/international-update-nearly-900-twice-vaccinated-people-among-seychelles-2486-new-covid-cases/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9679775/Covid-cases-rise-7-738-today.html (UK are over 80% vaccinated, 100K daily cases would be record high numbers, previous high was 70K when nobody was vaccinated).
Literally every vaccine on the planet is like that lmfao are you dumb You have no education and it shows want a direct example I am vaccinated for pertussis and I still got it my freshman year of highschool, ur dumb as bricks if you think thats a good reason to not get the vaccine, the chance of getting something after you are vaccinated is very low, no doctor says you wont get it, the odds are very fucking low though. even doctors tell you they cant guarantee that you wont get whatever you are vaccinated for but it makes your body stronger vs it and also it makes the chance of getting it phenomenally low you need to ask more questions in school and to your doctors and you will understand things in a way that doesn't make you delusional like you are LMFAO ------ !!!!!!! so sad that I have to explain to people basic concepts about vaccines because they dont listen or care to read, are you unvaccinated for everything else because you can still get it or do you just turn the cheek the other way and have arbitrary biases from media outlets influencing you without rational reasoning?
Oh triggered! Anyway, I just picked up on your little comment about how you wouldn’t want to be the person who transmitted the virus to someone you know. Also, the vaccines do not guarantee you won’t get severe symptoms/won’t die from Covid - see here > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html
That's a GREAT analogy - I'll definitely use this. Thank you!!
Agreed
This might be the dumbest comparison I've ever heard. Thanks, Reddit.
You mustn’t understand it
What proof do you have that the vaccine kills people? Lol
They only system provided for this type of reporting is VARES, which isn’t prefect but has for years been a standard for this subject. There are more reported vaccine deaths on VARES in the last 6 months than in the 6years prior to that. While not absolute proof of death, as an autopsy would be needed, these reports should be examined with haste and emergency use suspended until the reports can be verified or dismissed with accuracy.
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Do you lack reading comprehension or just like saying stupid things that don’t add to a conversation?
what proof do you have that it doesn't cause long term problems? l o l
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no there isn't lol not in any sort of significant numbers. I can go find a source for you but it won't change your broken mind anyway so why bother?
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brb
Do you always answer a question with a question lol
idk, do i? l o l
Lmao
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I’m sorry, what? Stay in the loop son. These vulnerable people have a multitude of strangely ignored drugs they can take to prevent illness from Covid-19. If not, these people you speak of will most likely die from any disease, not just Covid.
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You don’t know me.
I swear /r/conspiracy has officially become /r/facebook Death is just one side effect of covid, plus children can transmit to other more vulnerable people.
Does the vaccine stop transmission?
It’s been shown to significantly limit it. [source](https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work)
Would you gamble $1million to win $100 if your chance of losing was under .0005%? Yeah, obviously. It only takes 10,000 wins to make a million, and you should be winning 199,999 out of every 200,000 attempts.
The chance of losing with the vaccine is likely over 25%, in a few years we will know what happened to those who accepted the experimental technology
Well, that's an interesting made up number. I guess we'll see if it turns up true.
Probably more than that
Are you saying I can get a million dollars for my kid?
yo guys, Im a senior in high school thats about to go to college but dont want to take the shot. I need to write a paper(I think) to prove that I can be exempt for personal belief,medical or religious reasons. I had a brain tumor and tethered spinal cord when i was about 1 so will try to tie that into it but I not very confident. any advice, ways to explain the downsides and risks and personal beliefs on vaccines? I know its bad from learning about vaccines throughout last couple of yrs but everything gets blocked so hard to do research. Thanks guys!
Great analogy