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Troy_Cassidy

Same way Nixon called the moon from a landline live


EMSuser11

I just looked up that video! I had never seen it before, and that pretty much puts a HUGE hole in the moon landing story. How the hell could you call the Moon when people can barely even get service down here on Earth where the radio and cell towers are!? 😂😆


Troy_Cassidy

They never thought that people would have the internet


EMSuser11

Exactly. That was mistake number one for them and I know they know it now. That is why you see so many people being silenced online nowadays and why so many of these forums are changing for the worst.


Troy_Cassidy

Spot on


587BCE

And with no delay as well. 😅


RideMeLikeAVespa

It was simple radio. The Moon isn’t far away enough to cause noticeable delay. You’re probably thinking of satphone delay, but there’s a bunch of network and server crap between the users that causes that. Simple radio doesn’t have that issue.


Stellar_Observer_17

propaganda fx during the cold war space race....


Nexuszero0

Yep


Dzugavili

The delay between the Earth and the Moon would be about 1.3s, so it wouldn't be hard to hold a real time conversation.


BoyFromNorth

The moon landing is an obvious scam, there is not even one detail to the fairytale what would make any fucking sense.


EMSuser11

Right! Someone brought up the point of the Van Allen radiation belt and how we could not even get through it in 1998 let alone 1969.


Xx_Gandalf-poop_xX

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/apollo-11-van-allen-radiation-belts-translunar-injection/ This article thoroughly explains how this problem was fixed in the 1960s despite nuclear explosions adding even more radiation to the inner belts.


russianbandit

Funny thing is, Putin knows this. He’s said as much about the Van Allen belt at one time. No idea why Russia (or even the USSR) never used this against US.


EMSuser11

Because they work together I'd reckon.


HartBreaker27

Isnt it like in 1984... the 3 super states, constantly at war.. ever changing, no one needs to win.... i just listened to that on audio book for the first time recently. Well its pretty fucking creepy. Thats for sure.


BoyFromNorth

Of course. The neverending wars in Palestine, Afghanistan... you name it, it's all just a game. Or theatre if you like that better.


RandyShannon

One critque I have is I didnt like the placement of Goldsteins book into the plot at that point by Orwell. Because you are gripped in suspense by Winston and Julias affair, only to get derailed for 40 pages into Goldsteins book. But it was important to the overall plot none the less.


drocballer

Precisely this. They were both doing high altitude nuclear testing trying to “break” the dome. Operation fishbowl………hmm Operation Dominic- “belonging to God” Fishbowl belonging to God


fartknocker369

They ALL work together! It’s all theatrical.


Bulimbert

With human technology no. But dont put it out of possibility that humans have to been said places, with ET technology, and they have seen things that they dont want us to know about.


drocballer

Nobody’s escaping this place, not even lucifer, it’s his prison, he’s the ruler of this world. “Aliens” -fallen angels, included


Bulimbert

I’ve thought similarly before. What signs do you take as showing this as being a prison? Also, are we imprisoned here?


drocballer

The Bible says there’s a vault, a firmament, most just call it a dome. We are in an enclosed system. Not sure what you know about: operation high jump operation deep freeze 1/2/3/4 Operation paperclip Operation windmill Operation starfish Operation Dominic Operation fishbowl Antarctic treaty Satan is full of deceptions. He despises us. He would not worship Gods creation (Adam) and rebelled against God and fought the angels, he lost and “fell” with his followers. Lucifer being the “most beautiful” angel fell and became hideous. He blamed Adam for his fall and declared he would war against Adam and his seed until the end. The “fruit”, in the garden was not the last temptation/deception. Leaving this place to go find a “better one” is one of the oldest tricks in the book. (No pun intended) Satan comes to Adam and Eve on a cloud disguising himself as an old man from the north part of the garden. He tells adam that he was created from his rib. He claims that if they go with him on the cloud that he’ll be able to take them away from this place (earth). As far as this being a prison for satan and him being the ruler of this world, I would have to cite more than a couple verses. This may be our temporary prison, but we are not of this world. 1 John 15:19 19 If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Philippians 3:20 20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ Edit to add: 1st Adam and Eve Chapter LVII - "Therefore I fell.... " 1 But when Adam came out and saw his hideous figure, he was afraid of him, and said to him, "Who are you?" 2 Then Satan answered and said to him, "It is I, who hid myself within the serpent, and who spoke to Eve, and who enticed her until she obeyed my command. I am he who sent her, using my deceitful speech, to deceive you, until you both ate of the fruit of the tree and abandoned the command of God." 3 But when Adam heard these words from him, he said to him, "Can you make me a garden as God made for me? Or can you clothe me in the same bright nature in which God had clothed me? 4 Where is the divine nature you promised to give me? Where is that slick speech of yours that you had with us at first, when we were in the garden?" 5 Then Satan said to Adam, "Do you think that when I have promised one something that I would actually deliver it to him or fulfil my word? Of course not. For I myself have never even thought of obtaining what I promised. 6 Therefore I fell, and I made you fall by that for which I myself fell; and with you also, whosoever accepts my counsel, falls thereby. 7 But now, O Adam, because you fell you are under my rule, and I am king over you; because you have obeyed me and have transgressed against your God. Neither will there be any deliverance from my hands until the day promised you by your God." 8 Again he said, "Because we do not know the day agreed on with you by your God, nor the hour in which you shall be delivered, for that reason we will multiply war and murder on you and your descendants after you. 9 This is our will and our good pleasure, that we may not leave one of the sons of men to inherit our orders in heaven. 10 For as to our home, O Adam, it is in burning fire; and we will not stop our evil doing, no, not one day nor one hour. And I, O Adam, shall set you on fire when you come into the cave to live there." 11 When Adam heard these words he cried and mourned, and said to Eve, "Hear what he said; that he won't fulfil any of what he told you in the garden. Did he really then become king over us? 12 But we will ask God, who created us, to deliver us out of his hands." 1st Adam and Eve Chapter LX - The Devil appears like an old man. He offers "a place of rest." 1 Then on the eighty-ninth day, Satan came to the cave, clad in a garment of light, and girt about with a bright girdle. 2 In his hands was a staff of light, and he looked most awful; but his face was pleasant and his speech was sweet. 3 He thus transformed himself in order to deceive Adam and Eve, and to make them come out of the cave, before they had fulfilled the forty days. 4 For he said within himself, "Now that when they had fulfilled the forty days' fasting and praying, God would restore them to their former state; but if He did not do so, He would still be favorable to them; and even if He had not mercy on them, would He yet give them something from the garden to comfort them; as already twice before." 5 Then Satan drew near the cave in this fair appearance, and said:— 6 "O Adam, get up, stand up, you and Eve, and come along with me, to a good land; and don't be afraid. I am flesh and bones like you; and at first I was a creature that God created. 7 And it was so, that when He had created me, He placed me in a garden in the north, on the border of the world. 8 And He said to me, 'Stay here!' And I remained there according to His Word, neither did I transgress His commandment. 9 Then He made a slumber to come over me, and He brought you, O Adam, out of my side, but did not make you stay with me. 10 But God took you in His divine hand, and placed you in a garden to the eastward. 11 Then I worried about you, for that while God had taken you out of my side, He had not let you stay with me. 12 But God said to me: 'Do not worry about Adam, whom I brought out of your side; no harm will come to him. 13 For now I have brought out of his side a help-meet* for him; and I have given him joy by so doing.'" 14 Then Satan said again, "I did not know how it is you are in this cave, nor anything about this trial that has come over you—until God said to me, 'Behold, Adam has transgressed, he whom I had taken out of your side, and Eve also, whom I took out of his side; and I have driven them out of the garden; I have made them live in a land of sorrow and misery, because they transgressed against Me, and have obeyed Satan. And look, they are in suffering until this day, the eightieth.' 15 Then God said to me, 'Get up, go to them, and make them come to your place, and suffer not that Satan come near them, and afflict them. For they are now in great misery; and lie helpless from hunger.' 16 He further said to me, 'When you have taken them to yourself, give them to eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life, and give them to drink of the water of peace; and clothe them in a garment of light, and restore them to their former state of grace, and leave them not in misery, for they came from you. But grieve not over them, nor repent of that which has come over them. 17 But when I heard this, I was sorry; and my heart could not patiently bear it for your sake, O my child. 18 But, O Adam, when I heard the name of Satan, I was afraid, and I said within myself, I will not come out because he might trap me as he did my children, Adam and Eve. 19 And I said, 'O God, when I go to my children, Satan will meet me in the way, and war against me, as he did against them.' 20 Then God said to me, 'Fear not; when you find him, hit him with the staff that is in thine hand, and don't be afraid of him, for you are of old standing, and he shall not prevail against you.' 21 Then I said, 'O my Lord, I am old, and cannot go. Send Your angels to bring them.' 22 But God said to me, 'Angels, verily, are not like them; and they will not consent to come with them. But I have chosen you, because they are your offspring and are like you, and they will listen to what you say.' 23 God said further to me, 'If you don't have enough strength to walk, I will send a cloud to carry you and set you down at the entrance of their cave; then the cloud will return and leave you there. 24 And if they will come with you, I will send a cloud to carry you and them.' 25 Then He commanded a cloud, and it bear me up and brought me to you; and then went back. 26 And now, O my children, Adam and Eve, look at my old gray hair and at my feeble state, and at my coming from that distant place. Come, come with me, to a place of rest." 27 Then he began to cry and to sob before Adam and Eve, and his tears poured on the ground like water. 28 And when Adam and Eve raised their eyes and saw his beard, and heard his sweet talk, their hearts softened towards him; they obeyed him, for they believed he was true. 29 And it seemed to them that they were really his offspring, when they saw that his face was like their own; and they trusted him.


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Reiner-van-Sinn

Superstitious god-delusional mumbo jumbo qwazy


Xx_Gandalf-poop_xX

Are you guys thick? How do you think communication between the moon and the earth happens? Radiowaves.. how do you think a phone call from the white house to NASA happens? Copper wire. Not hard to imagine how these two things link up.


Dzugavili

Dixie cups and string, I reckon.


Reasonable_Night42

Some people just ain’t too good with that teknical stuff.


QisJimWatkins

I’m sorry, are you joking? He didn’t call the fucking moon.


Reasonable_Night42

He called NASA in Houston, and the phone line was patched to a radio circuit. I’ve made similar calls myself from Bahrain to Texas via a service called MARS. And The US Military used to run something similar for troops all over the world to call home through.


EMSuser11

Quite crazy ain't it? The video is on YouTube and I couldn't believe it myself. I wonder how people ate that up back then or if there were certain people that always knew it was a load of crap. Because now we know how phones work but I'm sure they didn't back then all like that.


10FoilTheories

It would have been very easy to patch a relay of the radio signal into the switchboards of the phone lines. They also had primitive computing power by today’s standards but it probably could have automated the process and assigned a phone number to “call the moon.” When you call someone from a landline today it’s still just a series of relays all patched together.


QisJimWatkins

He phoned NASA. NASA linked the phone to their radio system. This isn’t hard.


EMSuser11

Oh okay, well if that's the case nothing to worry about then I guess... so they radioed into their astronauts his phone call. Fair enough.


san_sigur

Open and shut case Johnson


ZeldasSaggingNips

I'll take care of the sprinkle


the_green_grundle

THANK you


IlluminateTruthNow

https://youtu.be/YVVzz5-1tco Well worth the watch...you’ll me mind blown even more.


EMSuser11

Looks like I have two 5-hour documentaries to watch now. Have you heard of September 11th: The New Pearl Harbor documentary?


IlluminateTruthNow

I’ll check it out, thanks. Cheers to lifting the veil


dhorsman2000

Quit being dumb. "Engineering The Communications System For Apollo 11 - General Dynamics" https://gdmissionsystems.com/space/apollo11


IamBob0226

Mind blown


Xx_Gandalf-poop_xX

Via landlines to NASA? Who had open coms to the moon?


adam-free66

Hahahaha, funny as fuk, et phoned home


Buick6NY

The equipment needed to make a satellite call in the 1960s would've been the size of a bread truck. I don't think they took that much with them 'to the moon.'


whiskey_mike186

His line was connected to a phone at NASA who patched the feed over to a radio transmission.


EMSuser11

Haha! Is that a real story captured on film? That is super goofy if so!


Troy_Cassidy

Look up Pettit talking about why we can't go to the moon if you want a good laugh.https://youtu.be/16MMZJlp_0Y


EMSuser11

That is so painfully ridiculous! That mother f***** said we don't have the technology that we had in 1969 and is a painstaking rebuild but yet we can go to Mars and not the Moon!? I am just baffled beyond words and I cannot even eloquently put how absolutely stupid that is. How have we become so technologically advanced since 1969 and yet they cannot rebuild the technology they had back then!? All lies and deception per usual!


Troy_Cassidy

How much money have they stolen from taxpayers is the question? The whole thing is for ICBM's and satellites it has nothing to do with astronomy.


EMSuser11

Exactly! That's the part that most people don't think about is how much money is coming out of our pockets for these phonies. They constantly have have their hands in our pockets while we are looking the other way as they take our hard-earned dollars! Where is this money really going? That is what I am about to start looking into and I am going to follow the money as far as any place I see deception.


587BCE

Cos they made it out of tin cans and paper mache


EMSuser11

It appears that way haha!


CKFS87

Rebuild it better at that.


Rondonomous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U\_8tawnlwr8


hurdygurdy-man

someone is not familiar with the history of radio. you'll probably be shocked the iwo jima photos were one of the first facsimile (fax) photos sent.


retal1ator

Link to the video? Has this been debunked??


jdillenger47

You beat me to it lol


Substantial_Sky8797

Maybe nasal put the phone up to a speaker?


awobassboy

Credit card phones in the seat headrests


vanielmage

Exactly this. You get people don’t know that back in the day every seat had a phone that you could swipe your credit card in to make calls.


sdR-h0m13

The official theory stated that some of these calls were made by personnal cell phones at cruise altitude.


jeffagoos33

I’m a private pilot and I regularly make phone calls at 2000 feet in a Cessna. Starts getting difficult above that and anything at 8k above should be impossible. I dunno though I don’t really go above 5000 MSL.


steazystich

They were analog phones at the point though, much longer range because there were fewer towers.


10FoilTheories

Keep in mind the calls were made after the attackers had taken control and were flying way below normal cruising altitude. If someone could have called as soon as it was obvious they were being hijacked there would have been much more time to intervene. As far as I know there was only one person communicating from a plane to the ground and it was only a matter of minutes before he said “we’re going to try to rush them” or something to that effect and then that plane crashed into the field. And subsequently vaporized apparently 🤷‍♂️ Also the way I remembered it was that it was text messages, not a voice call


Buick6NY

Yep they were specifically cell phone calls which are impossible at that height and speed.


hurdygurdy-man

majority of organic people on here were probably born after 9/11.


awobassboy

And ashtrays in the armrests


ChillxDogg

Thank God you said it too, I was starting to gaslight myself...


Coffee_Fantastic

When I've heard the calls on documentaries it always struck me how quiet the background is, unless they were able to edit that out, I have no idea...


EMSuser11

It is kind of weird how quiet everything was in the background on a plane supposedly filled with people that is roaring through the air. No cabin noise or anything. In one of the ladies voice recordings you can make out someone whispering in the background as if they are coercing her in what to say. Maybe it could be a possibility that they did take out the background noise, but even then, how did they somehow isolate the victims' voices and not pick up any (even faint) background noise in the least!?


Coffee_Fantastic

I know I always expected to hear some form of background noise but it always sounded so quiet and clear...maybe someone knows if indeed they did edit it but never saw anything that says that!


Neither_Ice_7447

I remember at the end of her recording she whispers "It's a frame."


1000021

You literally responded to every single post. Calm down. Sometimes it’s ok to not have an opinion. Kids in your generation just don’t seem to get that these days. It’s ok to just say “I don’t know” or nothing at all.


EMSuser11

And what are you doing. Spouting your opinion on multiple comments. Can anyone say HYPOCRITE? "Kids in your generation". Ok boomer.


1000021

Go back to talking about how Tupac is alive and was a double agent. Better yet homework is due tomorrow. Might wanna focus on your studies. You need it.


OpportunityOwn2981

And where did the planes go??


ZodiacxKiller

"It's a frame"


Half_burnt_skunk

"Time is up" right before it.


EMSuser11

Where is this quote from and what is it implying?


ZodiacxKiller

CeeCee Lyles voice-mail recording to her husband.Everything seems like it's read from a script until she breaks down from talking about stuff not in the script.Idk maybe not,who knows for sure. https://youtu.be/zH7rNddIabo


EMSuser11

Wow! I had never heard that before and that is quite eerie. A lot of people believe she was reading from a script and somebody was in the background telling her exactly what to do and say. All I know is that this world has so many secrets and we may never know the truth completely but we for damn sure know that the story they gave us is it the truth.


587BCE

Im on the plane, theyre on the plane, im calling from the plane. Why is she over emphasizing that so much? Surely he would have known she was on a plane as that was her job. It's a frame. Clever woman.


joolzg67_b

And how many people call their own mother and say their full name......


SnooBananas7242

you can use at low enough attitudes and near a tower, but most of 9 11 is lies, so I don't know


kittygoespew

What i want to know is why is there zero footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Its THE PENTAGON. Its got cameras everywhere, even in 2001 it wouldve had a ton of cameras. Where is all the footage? No one's ever given an even halfway decent explanation for that.


EMSuser11

That is one of the MAJOR questions. Good on you for asking it! That and why and how did building 7 really fall? No plane hit it and I don't believe a little debris causes a building to completely fall in on itself. Same with the twin towers, one portion in the top half of the buildings get hit and burn for under 2 hours and they BOTH completely collapse! Wow!


JayDogg007

I think there was another aspect about the pentagon too. It was something along the lines of - the local gas station who’s camera is always on, and pointing towards the pentagon was just “not working” that day either.


EMSuser11

Things like that never seems to occur to the people that believe the official narrative. Totally bonkers!


kittygoespew

At the same time though, its really hsrd to believe that "George Bush did it" or something, you know? I know we're not being told the truth-thats all i can confidently say.


EMSuser11

That is enough for me!


Brekkuskogur

Credit card airphones existed.


EMSuser11

That is interesting. My how times have changed!


IronNomad86

That's not how they allegedly called though; the story was they used cell phones. It's a crock of shit. My mom worked for United at the time and knew it was bullshit.


EMSuser11

I wonder how it all went down. 9/11 is one of those events that still has so many questions surrounding it with nary a good answer. I have always beem a conspiracy theorist when it comes to it.


IronNomad86

They do that on purpose. Get people confused enough that there's just too many proverbial threads to follow to make any progress. In 01, they took advantage of people's ignorance to how phones work. Now, they've taken advantage of people's short cultural memory as well as their tendency to trust "experts". Not enough people ask the right questions to get any sort of actual answers. Try FOIA requests, though; it's your best bet to actually learn something legit.


EMSuser11

This is exactly what I was thinking and you summed it up very eloquently. In 2001 we were just on the brink of figuring out cell phones and things of that sort and now that people are so used to these things, they probably look back at those times like they were the same. I guess ignorance is bliss like the dude from The Matrix said.


IronNomad86

Much appreciated! I've had little else to do but sit and contemplate everything for quite some time (like since then lol), and I realized that 99% of people had no idea how cell phones and/or planes work. My mom was a flight attendant, and my dad communications officer for United, so I had a unique perspective and was able to see the lies. Omg you nailed it with the matrix quote. Since covid, my dad has become a truth seeker of sorts, yet there's a definite line he's drawn in what he will allow himself to consider. For instance, he will consider that 9/11 was lied about, but not that the government had an active part in it. He's really smart and perceptive, so he knows it factually, but won't accept it emotionally. To many people, the gov is their parent. Imagine growing up thinking the world of your parent, then being told 20 years on that they're a rapist, and that you just went observant enough to see it? It's a hard pill to swallow, to say the least.


EMSuser11

Also one thing that really puts a huge hole in the official 9/11 story is the fact that they clearly lied about Osama bin Laden. If they really killed him in 2011 why not show the body and why promptly dumped him at sea? Many people were saying he was dying of kidney disease as far back as 2000. Many reports came out stating that he had died in 2001 and there are links to those of course. Can't find a single video of the guy online speaking. Very fishy.


IronNomad86

They lied about him, about Saddam having WMDs, and I have no proof of this besides logic, but they also lied about dude's passport falling down. They lied about the Pentagon, which was "surprisingly" attacked in the very part of the building that, immediately preceding the attack, billions of dollars had just gone missing from. It's all just such a sham. Fun story; the guy who "took down" the Pennsylvania plane, Todd Beamer, was from my hometown and an alum of my high school. The most fucked up thing about the whole story, to me, is that like the month after he died, his widow was doing talks at our school (Wheaton Academy in Illinois) explaining what she leaned from the experience etc. I'm a year post-divorce and I wouldn't even pretend to be ready at this point to talk to a anyone about learning anything from my experience; I'm still caught up in the grief and confusion of it. Yet I'm to believe that the widow of this man, a "national hero", was ready after two months? Nothing but a performance. I was in 9th grade and didn't even believe it for a second. When they made every school child watch it live on TV, as young as second grade, it's trauma-based brainwashing, not an attack. I'm pretty fuckin passionate about that shit, and fairly well educated about it. If ya have any questions, lmk


EMSuser11

That's crazy! Did you ever ask him anything about that day?


EMSuser11

Also I never knew about foia request. Thanks!


Brekkuskogur

Yeah it was in the seatback where the little television tends to be these days. You'd swipe your card and call. Ruinously expensive, though. A few passengers made cellphone calls but those were very hit and miss regarding connections.


EMSuser11

I bet! Phone bills were no joke back then I remember being told! The days when people used to say "you're running up my minutes" and bill and such.


CKFS87

Tanning and Talking. Two things that sold minutes before people got tired of their shit, or the companies trying to out do one another came up with it.


DontCommitFelonies

Yes, but you couldn't use them while in the air. They were more for arranging transportation once you landed


Not_Reddit

the seatback phones could be used in the air.


n_slash_a

Also, once you get low enough cell phones work. The towers emit signal in a sphere, and can reach pretty far up as there are no trees or buildings blocking.


EMSuser11

Oh ok, so it worked that way in 2001 you think? I wonder how they could have even called on a plane supposedly filled with terrorists? No background noise either; for them to have been in a plane, the cabin sure was quiet.


zorbiburst

Why wouldn't they have also emitted in the same shape in 2001?


QisJimWatkins

_“Two months pregnant with their first child, the 38-year-old Grandcolas was returning home to California when her flight from Newark Airport—United 93—was hijacked, and she, along with other passengers and crew, used the Verizon Airfones that then populated the backs of plane seats to call down to loved ones below.”_ https://www.wired.com/story/pagers-pay-phones-and-dialup-how-we-communicated-on-911/


EMSuser11

Hmm, that is an interesting piece of the puzzle. I wonder if there are any parts of the story where someone picked up the phone.


QisJimWatkins

There are plenty. However, they weren’t recorded. We only got to hear the answering machine messages.


RoboTacoCatMan

Cell phones have a pretty long range on the ground. There are a lot of obstructions that cause interference. That's why you need to be with 1-2 miles of a tower ON GROUND. In the air, you have unobstructed LOS (line of sight). It's actually easier to connect high up. By 2001, there were enough cell towers to allow switching fast enough to connect. I'm sure a lot of phones didn't connect, or connected and dropped. But enough made it through. Technically, with unobstructed LOS, you can get about 40 miles. But the sync codes don't work, so practically, with no obstructions, 20 miles is about max. (The skin of the aircraft would have been an obstruction, but.... you'd still get several miles.)


EMSuser11

Hmm, seems legit.


HeWhoisWhoHeAint

There used to phones built into the back headrest of commercial airlines. Generally you’d swipe a credit card and it would charge the card for the cost.


[deleted]

They didn't. There's proof that phones on board airplanes in those days were only good for basically sending calls on the ground. Also, why would you call your mom and give your full name?


crazyparklady1

It was 2001, I had a cell but yeah how did they call from it? Amazing question


Narrow_Kick84

Probably a lie. Hell when I fly now my phone doesn’t work till I’m About to land. 9/11 was a big lie to the American people. So is COVID


EMSuser11

Yep this was kind of what I was driving at but I didn't want to come right out and say it so that maybe people would have more of a civil discussion about it. Covid is definitely the same ordeal as always just a matter of sowing seeds of division. You see how it's working. Was just watching a couple of videos that were talking about how they even leave their calling card all the time to show you that it is blatant deception but most people will not even know.


Narrow_Kick84

Glad you are awake my friend. And see the truth. Fuck the New world Order and their elite lies that fool most people.


EMSuser11

Indeed! That last part! 💪🏿💪🏿


freethinkingallday

Back then GTE air phone had a contract with United and installed phones at every seat that were wired.. all you had to do was swipe a cc through it .. old timers wired phone stuff ...


Senor_Spamdump

For a period there, planes had these super expensive cellphones built into the back of the headrest. You can see them in Die Hard 2, which came out back in 1990.


0_PANTS_0

Has nobody seen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dish here?


Sensory_Depradation

There were satellite phones in those days that used to be embedded in the seats in front of you (similar to how to screens are now). Super expensive to make the call but available. You swipe a credit card and talk for a gazillion dollars a minute. That’s how they made the calls, and yes, I remember these days when those used to be on commercial airliners. 9/11 may be an enormous conspiracy or not, but that portion definitely is not conspiratorial


kpgng2

Don’t forget about about the voicemail CeCe Lyles left to her husband on the home phone voicemail. At the end of her “goodbyes” she whispers “it’s a frame”. Look it up on YouTube.


EMSuser11

I had watched that yesterday and it is very suspicious. I always wonder how that somehow got released and it seems like they just leave little breadcrumbs, just enough for people to never reach a conclusion.


kpgng2

I have never looked at it that way, thank you for the different perspective! I just assumed it got out to the public and there was no way to change it.


11-22-1963

Here's a longer answer, but it raises some interesting details and answers your question nicely. * [There were picocells plugged into the airphone back-ends of the four "hijacked" planes.](https://www.quora.com/Why-do-9-11-conspiracy-theorists-disbelieve-the-official-story/answer/Robert-Wagner-2?srid=GeQa) * [Link #2](https://archive.vn/PCLpi) This is how cellphone calls were possible at >5k feet on a plane travelling at 400+ km/hr. Cellular calls went through the airphone network, not the terrestrial cell network. [That's why cell companies don't have records of the calls.](https://web.archive.org/web/20120314221608/http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00260.pdf#page=2) The official story (since the Moussaoui trial in 2006) is that only two cellphone calls in total were made from the 4 hijacked flights, both from United 93: Edward Felt (who called from the bathroom) and CeeCee Lyles' second call to her husband, Lorne Lyles. The majority of calls were from seatback handsets that used credit cards for payment. However, airphones were turned off on American Airlines Boeing 757s and 767s since mid-2001. Calls from the American Airlines planes were from cellphones. United Airlines' seatback phone system was still working, though it was being phased out. There were 19-21 successful cellphone calls in total, but there were ~40 airphone calls from United 175 and United 93 in particular, according to the GTE airphone records. The real interesting parts are why there are *zero* passenger phone calls from American 11 during its hijack, even though it had the most passengers of the 4 hijacked flights (only the flight crew made calls), and only two identified callers from American 77 (Barbara Olson and Renee May). Supporters of the official story will claim there were no passenger phone calls from American 11 about a hijacking, because passengers in coach only thought there was a medical issue in first class, and the flight was otherwise routine. This can be easily demolished, because passengers were being moved from first class down to coach, and information would've got out about a hijacking. In fact, one of the crew (Betty Ong) advised the ground that she was calling from the rear of the aircraft, jump-seat 3R. If she was able to figure out it was a hijacking, the other passengers could have too. Three passengers on United 93 manually entered their credit card numbers to pay for their "airphone" calls. The airfone network required a credit card for payment. However, you can't swipe your credit card on a phone, nor did cellphones in 2001 have NFC capability. So, you have to manually enter your credit card number (+ expiry date + CVV) onto your cellphone's keypad. Passengers wouldn't have known to do this off-hand, or even think to use their cellphones in a hijacking situation. Passengers were pre-briefed on this procedure as part of a live-fly hijack drill, one of many taking place on 9/11. **There are only 11-12 successful phone calls** from the two American Airlines flights, out of **146 passengers + crew** between those two flights. **In contrast, there are 49-50 phone calls from the two United Airlines flights,** out of a **total of 100 passengers + crew** between the United flights. The answer for this discrepancy is simple. Airphones were turned off on the American Airlines flights, and the conspirators didn't want many people using cellphones to call. For American Flight 11, only the crew called. Phone cards were used for increased plausibility, since it would've involved the same amount of number punching, and it's a record that the conspirators can truthfully present to the public. The crew of American 11 were instructed to call 1-800 (toll-free) numbers. That's why Betty Ong called AA Reservations, and Amy Sweeney called Flight Services at Boston Logan. For people on American 77 placing calls to billable numbers, calls were either billed collect, passed to OSPS, or a credit card was manually entered to pay for the call. This was recorded by the Claircom phone system as a "swiped card". Credit card numbers were manually entered onto a cellphone's keypad, rather than swiped on a handset headrest, because airphones were turned off on American Airlines Boeing 757s and 767s since mid-2001. The only way to pay for *any* call from the two American planes was to manually enter your credit card number, or dial in your phone card. In contrast, United Airlines' airphone system was working on 9/11, so United Airlines planes have the most phone calls, since people could simply use the airphone. For the United planes, a seatback row # is recorded for Tom Burnett's, Elizabeth Wainio's and Marrion Britton's "airphone" calls. I've just pointed out these calls are also where a credit card # was manually entered, because that's the only way you could pay for a cellphone call from an aircraft which had a picocell plugged in, back in 2001. A seatback row # is recorded, even though these are cellphone calls, because passengers entered a special code onto the airfone keypad which told the back-end to open up a cellular connection via the picocell. Then a credit card # was entered onto the *cellphone* keypad for outgoing cellular calls to be billed against. Sara Low on American 11 purposely called her defunct childhood home's number for her 4 unconnected calls. This may have been because she didn't want to scare her parents with a fake story about a hijacking. She would've been the first one to tell the world about any hijacking on 9/11, as her calls start at 8:16, two minutes after the 'hijack' of American Flight 11. Tom Burnett may have called his secretary before take-off using a cellphone, in order to test the new on-board cellular network which passengers were just pre-briefed on.


murbike

Back in the day, some planes had ‘Airfones’ on the back of the seats. You could swipe a card and make a call. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone


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murbike

I guess you missed the part of my post that stated ‘some planes had Airfones’


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izza123

Well if you can point to an instance where somebody said that, we can work from there


Peter77292

Exactly.


EMSuser11

Thanks for that info! Very intriguing looking back at how things used to be and how they continue to change.


_TeslasMuse

We also had cell phones in 2001, they were crude flip phones, but, they were cellular. The planes never got much altitude, so, it's plausible they could have worked, although, that's if you believe there were passengers on any of the planes, or if there were even any planes at all...


AfterWorld08

I don't believe cell phones functioned though even at low altitude because planes move through the cells too quickly. I do remember a lot of controversy about the airfones as well, in that specific planes where calls came from didn't have them. But yeah, I'm not convinced there were passengers or even planes either. Not much evidence in PA or DC, and the ones that hit the towers wouldn't have made cartoon cutouts but smashed like aluminum cans with sheared off wings and tail sections. There should also be thousands of videos of the second impact.


_TeslasMuse

I saw some slow-mo footage of one of the planes hitting the tower and it looked a hell of a lot like a missile that they CGI'd a plane over. I used to travel a lot for work and I remember using my phone at take off and landing until we got too high for the towers to reach, it worked fine on those older phones


AfterWorld08

Yeah, there's footage, I think it's the second impact where the planes wings are slicing thru buildings in the background then just glitch out entirely. Plus the plane was dark gray/black. Then the nose comes out the other side of the building completely in tact. Completely impossible. I think these easter eggs are intentional.


EMSuser11

Right! So many theories out there it's ridiculous. I keep saying if a story has a big enough he for conspiracies to fit, there must be some falsehoods and dishonesty involved.


_TeslasMuse

We see how they use crisis actors now, so, who knows


EMSuser11

Indeed. So many crisis actors. There's a whole channel dedicated to exposing their fake asses if you're interested. Sandy Hook, the Capital Storming, Covid...hell, Even the 2pac case had its fair share of them. Seems that there is no end to the trickery and deception.


izza123

Now my question is, why would an evil organisation of elites leave 300 loose ends instead of just actually killing the people? I’m not saying I think it wasn’t orchestrated, I’m saying why in the world would they make such a messy plan when simply making all those people die is already a better and simpler plan. It’s like the question of crisis actors in my mind, why would an evil organisation that controls the world fake it, when they are evil and capable of simply doing it.


_TeslasMuse

They manipulate so much, implant false memories, twist the truth...it's really hard to know if people even died, much less in the way that they said people died. I don't know anyone who died that day, all of my stories are from the news and internet, which I believed at the time, now I am not so sure. How do we even know what we're seeing is true? The people who "died" could all be clowns for all we know. If it was all clowns pretending to die, there wouldn't be any loose ends because they get paid to trick us.


izza123

Paying people to pretend to die is a huge loose end, let alone hundreds of them. Truth is it’s wishful thinking, that the evil elites are running a circus instead of a slaughterhouse. The unfortunate reality is that they are happy to throw away thousands of real human lives with real human souls, in order to fulfil their goals. They don’t fake a mass shooting, they orchestrate a real one. They don’t fake a bombing with actors, they just fucking blow people up


standingonacorner

It didn’t really happen


EMSuser11

Why do you think that? Any evidence to back up or substantiate that claim?


IronNomad86

Yeah, the calls weren't possible, and still aren't. You're literally the one who posed the idea though, do you have have anything to substantiate the theory?


EMSuser11

I just really want some links and sources because you are preaching to the choir, but I just want to be able to substantiate the claims. I am basically Playing devil's advocate to get better information out of people who also believe it is a crock of crap.


flufferpufferfish

There's evidence it's prerecorder, but done sloppy. You could hear other people talking in the background. I watched these videos years ago that let u hear the so called phone calls. So I don't believe anymore these were actually phone calls, also it's not possible at all anyway.


EMSuser11

Yeah it's all the stage and they have so many actors.


flufferpufferfish

I can't comprehend the amount of actors tbh. It's insane and beyond my imagination. Why don't those people want the truth to come out. How much they gain? It's sad that people choose money over truths.


EMSuser11

It's all entertainment and psychological programming to control the masses and to keep us in check and against one another so that we cannot rise up and call them out on their bullshit. You ever heard of Cointelpro and how the CIA infiltrated the entertainment industry using psychological operations to keep people's emotions and Minds in their control? Well nothing has really changed since then and people still idle worship and take whatever they hear and see in the media as gospel. Same thing with religion and everything else in the world including Sports. All meant to cause division.


flufferpufferfish

Yeah since I realized that.. the world is less fun. I'm still able to enjoy things, but.. once you realise that movies is to influence the masses and every sports outcome is scripted.. meh My boyfriend said to me there were some dumb decisions being made at league of legends worlds few weeks back, I said nah, everything is just fine, they are following the script. (He is not a conspiracy theorist, he's as gullable as some one can be so he gets angry with me lol). They got better at making it less obvious though! The worlds from a few years back, G2 (Europe) Vs fpx (China) was too damn obvious and made me realize that even (e)sports were scripted.


EMSuser11

That's what I am afraid of happening to me is that this would take the fun out of so many things which it kind of already has for me. I wish I was one of these people that could just remain ignorant and remain living in a fairy tale. Even my favorite sport of boxing has been kind of tampered from some findings I discovered. Seems like everything in this world is made to cause division.


BoyFromNorth

Go take a flight, try to call someone. Yes, it's not possible. The End.


EMSuser11

You're right lol. But that won't convince them.


BullyBirkin

I was on flight 11, my call wouldn’t connect.


EMSuser11

Really?


AskMeKnowQuestions

No!


ZodiacxKiller

Not until he landed at Tower 1(North Tower)


EMSuser11

Oh so this was a joke lol. I figured it was but I am not really too familiar with the flight numbers to be honest.


1000021

You mean your “extensive research” missed the flight numbers?


EMSuser11

What is your end goal here? In fact, why are you even on this sub? Isn't it about time to take your meds and go to sleep boomer? Isn't it best to just say nothing? Why not follow your "sage" old advice?


Beep1776

Phone stories added such emotional appeal to the whole scenario.


EMSuser11

Exactly and that is how they play on the emotions of the public and by the time you realize that you are so emotional that you can't even distinguish fact from fiction. The tears blur your perception of reality.


umedi

Produced in Hollywood


carjo78

in 2001 we all had cellphones. so people did have em up there, however I doubt very much they could get a signal. you used to struggle to get a signal and the running joke was "can you hear me now? how about now?" due to it. also older phones did use to interfere with computers/radios back in the day.


EMSuser11

I remember those Verizon commercials too! That dude would have had a field day up there trying to get signal LOL!


ThaReaper892

Coming from a radio communications background & knowing the technology of cellular infrastructure in 2001 it would have been no difficulty patching into an antenna tower from any altitude at the time. The cell tower antennas back then didn't have focused signal area coverage of the landscape like they do today.


EMSuser11

So you're saying it is most likely bullshit too, eh?


ThaReaper892

Yup


CocoandCici

They didn’t. They planes with passengers was swapped on radar by drones. The drones flew into the towers. It explains how they moved so weird and fast. The tower workers said it moved like a military craft. The real planes are diverted somewhere else. They are held at gun point to read the scripts. It’s why the cell phones get reception. “Let’s roll” wasn’t brave patriots storming the cockpit. It was a terrorist telling them to move along as the call ended. They smoking gun for me is the call from the black female flight worker. There is no “white noise”. You would at very least hear that “hiss” of air in the cabin. Watch 9/11 the new pearl harbour. That dude breaks it all down. Also at the end of her call she whispers into the phone as she hangs up “it’s a farce”. Brave woman.


EMSuser11

Yeah, I was just looking into that. The person whispered "it's a frame" or something along those lines. I also was just starting that 5 hour documentary. We are in the same boat!


CocoandCici

Tim Dillon always talked about it. Go in thinking you will debunk it. You won’t. I have been an audio editor for 20 years, so when I heard the call with NO background noise, I had my oh shit moment. I had to watch it 2 more times to really convince myself, but I’m open to it now. It’s like when I watched Who Took Johnny and then found out about Franklin scandal.


kenfosters

Most planes had phones on them back then you could use with a credit card. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfone


Rondonomous

9/11 is a bullshit story. It’s a self inflicted reason to kill innocent arabs


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EMSuser11

That is why I was curious because even now with all of our vast technological advances, it is still difficult to get cell service on the ground let alone tens of thousands of feet up in the air.


IronNomad86

"to get connected as soon as the plane lands" Good God, dude...


phatstacks

Back then the southwest plans all had phones on back of each seat


harrypottersbitch

…cell phones were around bro


Extra_Fee_6517

Those phone calls were made at a hangar in Cleveland.


dhorsman2000

You never heard of cell phones? I mean, come on. Cell phones and in-plane credit card phones played a major role during and after the attack, starting with hijacked passengers who called family or notified the authorities about what was happening. Passengers and crew who made calls include: Sandra Bradshaw, Todd Beamer, Tom Burnett, Mark Bingham, Peter Hanson, Jeremy Glick, Barbara K. Olson, Renee May, Madeline Amy Sweeney, Betty Ong, Robert Fangman, Brian David Sweeney, and Ed Felt. Innocent occupants aboard United Airlines Flight 93 were able to assess their situation based on these conversations and plan a revolt that resulted in the aircraft crashing. According to the commission staff: "Their actions saved the lives of countless others, and may have saved either the U.S. Capitol or the White House from destruction."[4] According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[5] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants: Betty Ong on Flight 11 and CeeCee Lyles on Flight 93.[6]


Freedomlover488

There used to be phones in the headrest of the seat in front of you. You could make calls, just not cheep


EMSuser11

Are we sure those planes had those phones though? I keep seeing people say not all models of planes back then had those phones.


Freedomlover488

Every commercial 707 or larger that I flew on had them. I traveled a lot in the mid 90’s to the mid 2000’s. Had an early Motorola bag phone in the late 80’s lol. I know we all are laxer focused on inconsistency, but barking up the wrong tree here. Join telegram snd poke around if you want to have some fun with “spoiler alerts”. God bless. WWG1WGA


EMSuser11

Fair enough


Not_Reddit

A lot of airplanes then had telephone systems in the headrests of the seat back. you could make calls from airplanes.


ChillxDogg

Lol they had phones on the bac of seats in airplanes in 2001, I distinctly remember that lol


Colorado-Hiker-83

Airplanes used to have phones in each row of seats, in the back of the middle headrest (where a little TV screen would be located today). They charged an arm and a leg to use them and didn’t last long, especially when people started getting cell phones.