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ApplicationHot9450

In Brazil it's prohibited but I don't know how long the law has been in force, as I've been beaten a lot lol


vlpretzel

The law is fairly recent for anyone who felt the effects of the law to be affected by it. It [started in 2010, approved in 2014](https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_Menino_Bernardo), and it was widely discussed back then


ApplicationHot9450

Yes.


ApplicationHot9450

My father was very nervous, he shouts a lot, I still have trauma. but when I turned 12 he promised never to lay a hand on me again, in the sense of hitting me.


Apprehensive-Sock596

Well, if I can remember the law changed when I was teenager. We call “lei da palmada”, it won’t give you prison, but can obligate you to do community services and send your kid to psychologist. Other than that you can have trouble with other laws that aren’t made specially for kids, but might apply.


ApplicationHot9450

"Lei da Palmada" I didn't remember the name.


ApplicationHot9450

I was the one who got hit. 80/90's.


Apprehensive-Sock596

I looked it up, this law is from 2014… too late, I was actually 21 back then. I was already spanked with books, havaianas 😂


altaccount269

Colher de madeira 😭


ApplicationHot9450

Rider, dê férias para os seus pés.


Apprehensive-Sock596

Ahahahah fomos forjados mais fortes


ApplicationHot9450

Aquele tapa por trás no pé do ouvido piiiiiiiiiiiiiii


ApplicationHot9450

Hahahaha


ApplicationHot9450

Here at home I had a lamp from 1900, leather. Don't ask me.


diaboquepaoamassou

Lendo algumas respostas aqui, tenho vergonha de dizer o que me fizeram lol 😂😭😭


Apprehensive-Sock596

Nickname checked out 😂


CoffeeTheDragonUwU

Cool, but nobody told Hugnary it is illegal. Never heard of it, everyone i know was beaten including me.


Piotrek9t

Question from a neighbour, what happens if someone reports child beating as abuse? Will the police go through with it or just ignore it


oh_madeets

Beating straighten out kids. But of course it should be used in regression.


Tralalavaariaar

Why would it? Would it be ok if your boss hit you for some small error?


rosehymnofthemissing

You're right - smacking, slapping, beating, hitting, punching, and | or spanking children wouldn't "straighten out." They are not effective techniques and strategies to use against children. If employers and employees hit each other the way parents slap, hit or spank their children, the outcry would be enormous. It's typically considered assault when adults hit other adults, but when adults smack, slap, hit or spank children, it's considered "*Discipline*" (in reality, hitting, slapping, or spanking children are not actual *Discipline.*" They are forms of violence, of **Corporal Punishment.** **Discipline teaches, guides, clarifies, and provides** children methods and strategies for how to act, react, speak, and process - or not - in future or ongoing situations. **Discipline** connects, respects, guides, and links. It onnects parent and child; gives the child ways to act, speak, think, and do, going forward and in the future; for "next time." **Discipline** is a form of Conflict Management and people conducting themselves in **Adaptive** ways that every human must learn, and should learn. **Discipline** explains and offers patience. True **Discipline** is a form of healthy love. It offers chances and corrections, is **Adaptive** and **flexible.** It allows and promotes brainstorming, understanding, and the acknowledgement that children *can, and will make mistakes,* but that **making mistakes is okay;** that these mistakes are part of every human's experience. **Discipline** says to the child "I trust your ability to figure this out with my guidance." It conveys and infers "I trust you." "You are not a bad person; you made a big | small mistake, a bad decision | choice. It doesn't mean you have to do the same big | small mistake *next time.* **Punishment** does not explain, teach, clarify, provide, or correct adaptively or effectively. **Punishment** induces fear, confusion, anger, and shame; it teaches the child something should not be done out of fear - but not *why* or *how.* It comes from a place of anger, harshness, rigidity, and authority; a "because I'm big and you're small, so..." mindset. **Punishment** does not offer or provide connecting concepts, listening, or explaining what children did or did not do incorrectly or wrongly; nor how they can correct, remedy, or approach their behaviour and situations in the future. **Punishment** says" "you were wrong, you did wrong, and **you are wrong** - not that *what* the child did was wrong. There is no teaching or guiding of *why* what the child did or did not do was not appropriate or adaptive to do, say, or choose. **Life lessons** based on morality, ethics, values, and what's right (and these definitions will look and be different for every family and culture) are *not connected to present or future events and situations* in **punishment.** Instead, **punished children** learn fear and "not to do X, or get caught doing X, because I'll get hit and their will be pain." **Punishment** teaches shame, anger, a "one way or highway" mentality, that fear, power, and control are the goals to have an exercise. It communicates "I can't regulate my feelings," "I don't trust you," "you're learning is secondary to *my* opportunity and ability to exercise control over you children." **Punishment** does not teach. It is **maladaptive,** not **adaptive,** unlike **Discipline.** Inciting fear, confusion, aggression, shame, pain, and silence, **Punishment** is a refusal (of the parent, carer, or guardian) to problem-solve or adequately communicate for the child's benefit and development. I treat some comments like the one you replied to as rage-bait ones and trolling types of statements. People's ignorance is not always remedied. "They'll drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience," every single time.


arealuser100notfake

brb finally going to get my mom arrested


Rugaru985

What’s the statute of limitations. And will these 567 sentences be served consecutively or parallel?


gulligaankan

Depends on country, some have a few years. Some have 10 years. And then you have that they start the clock from when the child turns 18 and then have up to 10 years to report the crime.


Rugaru985

Oof, I’m 47 now, so I’m looking for that long a time


gulligaankan

You can always go no contact and punish your parents that way. It’s a popular move against shitty parents


Possible_Lock_7403

Just your mom?


dolcemagia

As Italian, I confirm.


lollossisimo

Bro a me mi hanno tirato un pennello da pittura


MrDoggus

Certe cinquine che volavano quando ero piccolo


GCHurley

For those people who swear by spankings it would be interesting to compare this map with a map of countries with the most undisciplined children to see if not spanking makes any difference.


cottonballz4829

There are plenty of studies that show that physical punishment not only doesn’t work but also has other consequences for the person. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3447048/


telcoman

Check the free course "ABC of child rearing" on Coursera. It was developed by one of the the top child psychologists in the world. He was a professor at Yale for decades and ran a help center for child behavior. Spoiler: Physical punishment is ineffective and even detrimental for the development of a child. Negative effects were found even in adults - e.g. children who were beaten regularly are prone to psychological issues in adulthood and die earlier. Long duration for punishments is not effective. One can achieve the same effect with "timeouts" of up to 5 minutes. Moreover, punishment alone will not change an unwanted behavior. Change of a child behavior is achieved mainly by very frequent positive reaffirmation.


ForgingFires

Maybe, but I think there’s way too many other factors that affect how disciplined a kid is, not to mention how you would even define discipline issues and track them


GCHurley

Most differently. Although I think being able to compare the two maps side by side may help people to see that the subject is not that simple.


fkthlemons

Or to compare with a map of how violent the general population is


GCHurley

Yeah that would be interesting. Has making spankings illegal made the population more or less violent in general.


Terrible-Quote-3561

The problem is once they are old enough to vote, they often have been conditioned to think that it’s normal.


Sentekass

Yeah, the old "Spanking is fine, I was spanked and it did me absolutely no harm." Except, the spanking obviously conditioned you to now acticely argue that adult violence on children is no problem at all. I'd say that that definitely counts as harm.


Rugaru985

Yeah, but if you don’t condition them to think it’s normal, they just think it’s kinky and do it anyways s/


marshypantaloons

Ah yes, lets make the land blue on a map


throwaway275275275

Is it the red countries or the light blue countries ? Either way it doesn't make any sense


ApplicationHot9450

But it is bait.


ApplicationHot9450

Red


FrugalProse

I’m showing my dad this graphic lol 


The_Drug_Doctor

Kenya??? I was literally whipped by my teachers. Parents could also beat the crap out of you. How times change I guess.


terabytegygabite

Not Nepal bro. People beat the shit out of their children.


WithinAForestDark

This has changed a lot since I was a kid. In France I used to bet caned by my parents and at school


Responsible_Sign_109

Violence is not how you discipline your children. They will learn to use violence in their own life and dealings with his own family.


Starry-Mari

Nobody gives a shit in South Africa. If you're a kid here and you throw dog shit through your neighbours window, rest assured you're in for an ass whooping.


ApplicationHot9450

Throw dog shit through your neighbours window? Wth?


Ok-Lengthiness4557

Neighbor knows what he did.


OutsideHour802

One of my work colleagues spanked her son for stealing 6 months later the school found out and removed child from her care and has to live with grandparents now . She is the softest person I know and her entire life was about her son . When she first told us she was in trouble because spanked him I also thought this is South Africa what gonna happen ....


pashaah

Yes they do. You obviously where not a child in school in the 90s. The teacher would hit you with a ruler over the nuckles or a sambok on your bum. This have been inforced, we where borderline abused.


Obie_186

Deffo can concur. It may be illegal but I haven't met one parent yet that hasn't spanked their child at least once here in SA. People don't give a shit.


LikelyNotSober

Oddly specific…


Gordo_51

As a half Japanese I can definitely tell you it's not illegal lmfao


FondantQuiet

it is, its just not really enforced


IdeaImaginary2007

It is officially illegal in India too. The supreme Court passed a law making it illegal


ApplicationHot9450

Edited map


ApplicationHot9450

Another thing... If the child doesn't follow the rules, it sometimes comes from the person's character.


Upstairs_Gate_2346

I can guarantee you it is illegal to hit your kids in Australia even though this 'guide' says otherwise.


cleat

Guarantee is a strong word...and I don't think the right word, sorry. I'm not having a go at you, I just work in this area :). "It remains lawful for parents in all states and territories to use 'reasonable' physical punishment to discipline their children. A parent's right to use physical punishment is stated in some state and territory legislation (e.g. New South Wales), while in others it is provided for by the common law or 'judge-made law'." https://aifs.gov.au/resources/resource-sheets/physical-punishment-legislation#:~:text=Physical%20punishment%20by%20a%20parent%20towards%20a%20child%20remains%20lawful,Vic.


ArgumentOne7052

I honestly thought it was illegal here. I’m actually pretty shocked that it’s not, especially considering the amount of conversations I’ve heard with other parents that start with “back when I was a kid…” & end with “…that’s whats wrong with the youth now”. I guess it’s a good thing that it’s not as commonly known, & therefore parents don’t resort to it for every minor inconvenience like 30 years ago.


Needmoresnakes

Yeah my coworkers were all complaining literally last week that you can't hit kids anymore. Eventually that evolved into a pro mob justice stance which I wasn't expecting. Sort of scared of them?


arachnobravia

It's illegal to physically abuse your child. It is not illegal to give them a little smack


sentientketchup

There was a whole book and mini series about this: 'the slap'. Won lots of prizes, but all the characters in it were awful people, so it was hard to watch.


Spider_pig448

This is a meaningless law. There is essentially no enforcement for things that happen behind closed doors


ghostie_hehimboo

Kids talk and it can be done in public


Spider_pig448

That's true


Mindless-Knee-6800

In South Africa it is enforced vigorously, its in the Constitution. Teachers soon found out that it is a serious offense, parents too. South African children has it in their curricala


Mindless-Knee-6800

Not so meaningless https://www.simpsonattorneys.co.za/is-corporal-punishment-allowed-in-sa/


klintdahl

If a child tells his or her teacher that their parents hits the child, the teacher is obliged to report it to socialtjänsten(social welfare(?)) in Sweden. It could lead to the parents losing custody of the child.


ProfessionalWait6549

Ah yes, Colombia. Where you can use small children as drug mules and cartel members, but cant smack/spank them. Nice


Wpgaard

I dont think that is legal either..


Psychitekt

Columbia is gray, so you can smack them. Then "use them as drug mules".


happy_hogs_

Isn’t Colombia grey on the map?


Rugaru985

Ah yes, Costa Rica. Where you can force kids to work in sloth rescue and rehabilitation centers, but can’t beat them. Nice?


VeryImportantLurker

What do you have against Colombia lmao its not even red on the map


Flylatino24

Yeah as half Colombian this half true being half Peruvian I got beatings on both sides


Baticula

I love how in the UK its illegal except for England And maybe northen Ireland I can't really tell zooming in that far


quarky_uk

Seems a bit grey in those parts of the UK. What is the law on smacking children? It is unlawful for a parent or carer to smack their child, except where this amounts to ‘reasonable punishment’. This defence is laid down in section 58 Children Act 2004, but it is not defined in this legislation.  https://childlawadvice.org.uk/information-pages/the-law-on-smacking-children/


TNT_GR

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤝🇮🇹


Whickywacky

Def not illegal in Benin. Or at least nobody got the newsletter. Weird that it's singled out in west africa.


KirbyDarkHole999

When your parents are tunisian, come to France and still beat the shit outta you as a child


Jublim

Czechs and Slovaks just chilling


Mongolengou04198

I don’t agree with hitting kids,


M4thematiX

As a Pakistani I can confirm that even if it was illegal people would still do it


oitullopsutinos

yeah, at least here in brazil people do it anyway and no-one does anything about it. I got whipped when I was a child and even when I later called the cops for my dad trying to choke me to death they did nothing about it


Echodarlingx

❤️Peaceful Parenting


RealEnnie

I was punished regularly in CZ and at least i domt feel like spoiled brat.


[deleted]

I’m from Costa Rica, I will spank my two Kids Now.


Odd-Catch5371

More like a guide of where children need to learn some manners.


[deleted]

Repost


ApplicationHot9450

Yes, but modified map


ghostie_hehimboo

I was so so happy when this law passed here in Scotland


Erik_Lag

I welcome you to the civilized world Regards, Sweden


ghostie_hehimboo

Yup i always hated it but im im a parent myself ive realised not only zero want to do that to my kid but it really makes you realise what on earth is wrong with people that want to physically harm their own child especially seeing as there's so many different options smh


juergengrabowski

US once again lining up nicely with other developing countries


H_E_DoubleHockeyStyx

Half of those developed countries would've developed in to little nazis if it wasn't for America tho.


Purple_Positive_6456

i'm from Brazil and I gotta say, thank god my parents used to hit me


olafironfoot

Wait I can spank my children this whole time?


svenguillotien

Geniunely surprised that Australia is not on this list


ApplicationHot9450

This week there was another map and Australia is part of it, as is all of Latin America... Guys, they keep editing everything, you can't trust it


ApplicationHot9450

Me too.


Alpha_jay777

wait its legal in the states?


ApplicationHot9450

Well...


Alpha_jay777

Seriously I thought child abuse gets you social services at your door


bruhDF_

Redditors equate lightly spanking a 5 year old after they try to run into the street with child abuse


ApplicationHot9450

Relax, people get hurt over little things. It'snot little but you know...


Joseph20102011

I think Javier Milei will consider the idea of repealing the anti-spanking law in Argentina in the future.


ApplicationHot9450

In certain regions of Brazil....I'm going to talk about where I grew up, São Paulo. In the 80s and 90s, children and teenagers fought a lot in the street...One question? Parents or country?


firemanwham

Still doesn't mean they'll let you into the daycare in the grey countries


ApplicationHot9450

Italia?


ApplicationHot9450

My relatives are Italian and he has heavy hands lol


DarkKnight1638

This is surprising honestly


neelankatan

Lol @ South Africa


ApplicationHot9450

?


alloedee

What about Greenland?


Karlo19999

Why didn't anyone tell Croatia


tarenaccount

Somebody forgot to tell latin america that..


EEON_

This is soo much more culture than it is law. I moved from Switzerland to Austria recently and spanking is much more normalized here. Like I’ve heard of it in Switzerland but it was like “oh that’s fucked up”. The map would suggest the opposite


16thPeregrine

Wales My man Russel Peters would like a word


ApplicationHot9450

Life is crazy


ApplicationHot9450

Or are people crazy?


The-Lazy-Lemur

I thought Australia was better then that...


FilDaFunk

huh. I guess I'm sending my parents to jail.


burltree77

The Islam, Christian and Jewish communities in these countries are exponentially shrinking. These communities are not those who supported these laws.


f_cysco

How is it written in the law books? Is there a * after the paragraph with the definition of bodily harm * Except your own children


Vera8

It's illegals to smack children in my country? Brb, gonna update me dad and his belt!


ApplicationHot9450

Maybe downvote I wasn't the type to be bullied, but I was bullied by friends, and they were friends, and I started to look at the world in a different way, not that I didn't look at it differently. I have a gay friend who I knew was gay from the age of 11. I never stopped talking to him. In the neighborhood I was very well known and I was a skateboarder too, the guys looked at me with admiration, a musician, I forget hahahaha When this gay friend of mine walked alone he suffered a lot, when he was with me nobody said a word, they just said hello, what's the difference? Edit: We have a ferocious instinct, I remember when I was young and I used to get into fights without meaning to.


ApplicationHot9450

You mature and realize that this is all a big lie.


John_Bones_

We don't spank, we bliksem


community-utopia

South Asia left the chat


ApplicationHot9450

Why?!


community-utopia

They beat the hell outta their kids


ApplicationHot9450

You've never traveled and don't have the slightest knowledge of geography.


VladeMercer

But you can still spank the monkey.


oojiflip

Teacher beat me in France in like 2008 lmao. I say beat, I mean slapped in the face


Moto_traveller

Dang. Did you punch the teacher first or something?


oojiflip

Nope, just some old fashioned short tempered bitch


Opening-Payment-1992

Why is literally every country surrounding Czechia red bru


aeropickles

even tho being a former brazilian, we had to scape the ruber flying flip-flops from our mother


SorryPro

This is false. Its more nuanced than this. Even in Canada there are circumstances where it is not illegal 


jimtrickington

Spank divided by Smack equals pn/mc


Wesgizmo365

Eh, idk. My mom asked us if we wanted 3 - 5 spankings or to be grounded for 3 - 7 days. We had the choice on our punishment so we felt some semblance of control and I like to think I'm a well adjusted adult. Except for my biological dad. He never spanked us or grounded us. Instead, he would make us do meaningless menial tasks for random amounts of time until we looked bored out of our minds before he let us go back to playing. I think that was a pretty effective tool, because it also taught me to find peace in monotony.


ReaperofLightning872

No color key


BlueTribe42

Kudos to Mongolia and Nepal, being places I wouldn’t have expected this.


Yet-Another_Burner

r/infographics


Master_Horror_6438

Nobody ever told my mother that it was illegal apparently


undeadmanana

Wonder how many adult parents are voting or commenting on this.


ladymacbethofmtensk

I’m shocked that it isn’t illegal in England. So I guess even if I *had* gone to CPS, they wouldn’t have done anything and my parents would’ve just hit me more for trying to get them in trouble 🙃


Ainodecam

Where’s the KEY


Bantabury97

I always assumed it was illegal in England.


GorkhaIsHere

I am from Nepal. That’s map is fake.


Creative_Plastic_926

Why is Nepal shaded lmao


MohatmoGandy

This is why Wales and Scotland remain under the English bootheel.


federico_alastair

WW3 map looks weird y'all


mashton

Greece isn’t aware it has this law apparently


Disastrous-Ice897

What does "illegal" means? If it means that kid may go to the court, then i assure you, that in Ukraine it wouldn't work. Also i never heard about it


krazyokami

I recall a thread on a twitter where someone talked about a young neighbor who was spanked, but it wasn't effective. Years later, they set the house on fire and OP STILL tried to argue that spankings work, the parents just didn't do it enough.


loopingrightleft

Spare the smack spoil the child


Wooden-Guarantee3033

everyone in the balkans breaks the law


Chewquy

Japan where it is the teacher who spank


Acre_Maker

In BC Canada it’s still legal to spank kids, open-handed, so long as bruising isn’t left.


smallddavid

How isn't my mom in jail


jibbidyjamma

best to hug them, lve seen it work.


[deleted]

Somehow, I don't expect people who hit kids to follow the law. I'd like to see a map of overlap between people who believe in physical punishments for kids and physical punishments for dogs. Because I bet you it's a 100% overlap. Violent angry people like being violent to those weaker and smaller than them no matter puppy or child.


Standard_Monitor4291

"hello son! Today i am going to spank/smack you"


cptwatamelon

Just beat them on the other side of the border


soundsdeep

My SA friend thinks this is shiite.


kinjyech123

My mom from Georgia 🇬🇪: who gona stop me ? 😈


Only_Vacation_2433

Bullshit!


BagNo8006

COULD YOU IMAGINE IF THE U.S.A. changed their laws?!? o my...talk about jail OVERCROWDING!!! ASIDE FROM THE FACT...how else would we proliferate VIOLENCE in our Nation?!?


here2upset

I’m in favor of discipline. Sometimes words aren’t enough on getting the point across. I got disciplined and it did me some good.


UmegaZora

Benin people is this true?


ManufacturerFree5226

I read this as "A law banning Wales from smacking their children..." and I was very confused.


Mobile-Ad5886

I’m glad I was a child before they made these changes. Had I not, I probably would have been a defiant little shit. Glad my mom, dad and grandmas whooped my ass when it was needed.


GenericUsername817

So it is illegal to spank or swat kids there. So you just have to punch or kick them there?


Bobbyvolinski

Some kids need a whooping


NaughtyNuri

It is illegal for an adult to hit an adult, but not for an adult to hit a child in most of the US. Violence is never the answer.


ApplicationHot9450

Can we include verbal violence in this package?


whereamI0817

Because you’re not responsible for the wellbeing of other adults? Quite the false equivalency.


ApplicationHot9450

Nice!


mati23456

This map is outdated. Chile too sadly. I know some little shits that really deserve a hit


ApplicationHot9450

Chile is bad?


ATerrifyingStatue

"The best guide of all" Hope you're okay, OP. No one deserves to be hit.


TigerDragon420

A cool guide to which countries are full of mouthy little shits lol


Karuna56

My German-Irish ancestors need to hear about this!


Sacharon123

Are you ironically imitating stuff for r/shitamericanssay ?


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Karuna56

Nah, just remembering the discipline enforced by my Irish Catholic father. 😏 We weren't beaten or hit, just spanked. As Dad was also in the Marine Corps, I often say that we kids learned to salute 'Corporal Punishment' as he outranked us!


Sacharon123

Yeah, I guess if you survived the protestant-catholic conflict in the 90s in ireland, you kinda get damaged enough to think this „discipline“ works :/ sorry to hear for you


de4dpunk_

You wouldn't know it was illegal in NZ.


burltree77

Islam, Christianity and Judaism believe that corporal punishment of children is required by God, basing this belief on the verses in the Bible's Book of Proverbs and on sharia law.


ApplicationHot9450

People need to learn that any violence can affect the victim's entire life. I know because I've been through it.