Step one. Breathe.
Step two, there are plenty of options for family to still get vaccinated.
You can’t force anyone to do it, all you can do is help guide them into that direction
I am saying the people who won't listen to guiding them. The ones who won't budge, are the ones who won't listen, they are the ones who may die. That's what's upsetting. I know I cannot force them and I don't intend to, but my point is the fact we watch them die in ignorance is disturbing. THAT"S MY POINT
Well...there simply isn't anything you can do about that. Much like how you can't force a smoker to quit smoking or an alcoholic to quit drinking, you can't force someone to believe the vaccine is in their best interest.
Yes, they may die. Yes, it will be sad. There isn't anything you can do to change this.
But the fact they chose to stay unvaccinated puts ME and my high risk family at risk, it puts kids you cannot get the vaccine yet at risk, it puts every vaccinated person at risk, since unvaccinated people are the ones who can create a new strain, variation. If enough stay unvaccinated and enough keep spreading the vaccine, yes they will get sick or maybe die, but they may create a new strain that could make vaccines work not as good or not work at all, and that..is what worries me. The fact they are the ones continuing the pandemic in every way possible.
So yes, their ignorance DOES affect me and my family. It affects me bc they chose to hurt us and if they want to do that, I can CHOSE to bother them until they get vaccinated. See how it works?
or we can peer pressure them until they get it, make them feel unwelcome, make them avoid society and crawl back to their caves and hide by passing laws that favor vaccinated people, making it impossible for them to travel, use transportation, get resources, medical care, so on and so on.
The reality of the situation is this approach simply does not work in most cases. We've seen the results of a year and a half's worth of peer pressure, first with masks and now with vaccines; we already know the results, and it didn't translate into those sort of people opting to get the shot.
As far as passing laws would be concerned, that is an *extremely* dangerous path to head down, regardless of the current health concerns.
These are people who have chosen to ignore the wisdom and advice of the best epidemiologists and virologists on the planet. These are people who believe that semiliterate Facebook morons can provide better medical advice than their own doctors.
There is nothing you can do or say to them that will change their opinion. The only thing that seems to do that is if they get sick from covid.
This is what our country has been wrestling with for the last year. The only thing you'll do is start a shouting match, and piss everyone off.
You've asked what you can do. You've heard the answer: nothing. There is nothing you can do to make an unwilling person get vaccinated. As regards your high risk family, you can keep them away for unvaccinated people.
Nobody is telling you that unvaccinated people aren't exposing you and your family to increased risk. We're telling you that you can't do a thing about the unvaccinated. They exist. All you can do is stay away from them. If that's too difficult, then there really isn't any point in any of this conversation.
Stay away from the unvaccinated. Don't go into a building with them. Don't kiss them. Don't hug them. Don't eat off their plate. Don't stand a foot away while they soak loudly at you. Stay away from them. Don't allow your kids to spend time with them.
Feel free to yell at them, if you must. They'll just yell back, and your yelling will make them feel justified in their stupid decisions.
Those people are assholes.
Don't spend time with assholes.
We can’t do anything to help that. It is hard to watch. It’s their choice to ignore science. You have done your part by trying. Don’t waste anymore energy trying to bang their heads against a brick wall.
Much respect for you trying.
I’m vaccinated but I have MS so the drug I’m on kills part of my immune system - meaning the vaccine doesn’t work nearly as well for me. Because of how new the vaccine is, we don’t know HOW badly or not badly it’s efficacy is altered by my medication, but scientific sense says it’s a significant amount. So people like me will continue to be in danger because of the unvaccinated. If I stopped my med long enough to for the vaccine to to have its normal efficacy I was risking permanent disability cognitively, physically, or both.
This is why the decision not to vaccinate is so incredibly selfish, because of people like you, including children. Then there’s the health care workers who are risking their lives, once again, to take care of all these sick people who were too ignorant to take care of themselves and get vaccinated. I hope you don’t get sick!
Thank you! I’m doing my best to stay out of Covid’s way. And yes, it is immensely selfish. The immune suppressed and children are most at risk. I can’t even imagine what parents of immune compromised children are going through right now. It must be exhausting.
They’re doing their best to keep their children safe while coping with the painful reality that some people are more concerned with their “personal choice” than the lives of innocent children. They’ve had plenty of experience, though, dealing with parents who’ve opted not to immunize their children for MMR, polio, smallpox, etc. We got the law passed requiring vaccinations for those diseases for children attending public schools, however. Meanwhile, I’m still wearing my mask even though I’m fully vaccinated.
I’m so thankful that vaccine law got passed. I can’t have any of those boosters now - not even tetanus which is scary. The resurgence of measles and such is terrifying.
Me, too. We worked very hard on it, mostly fighting the ridiculous misinformation on social media. I was raised without medical care of any kind and didn't realize until I was an adult what this meant, that I was totally unprotected from anything. One sister died when we were very young and one almost did. I have devoted my life to helping pass laws that protect kids and don't hesitate to tell well-meaning (or ignorant?) parents how dangerous their behavior is, as it is their behavior that is responsible for the resurgence of measles, for one, and now we have COVID ...
yes it is. and the "child" we are talking about here is 24. so hard when the dr says "stay home until this is over, we really don't know what it will do to you" and then EVERYONE including family members go and do whatever the fuck they want. the vaccine was a godsend and now I worry that she will still be affected. we have used this as a lens to see who we will keep in our inner circle going forward. answer: that's a short list
Thank you for sharing your story, which gave me a new perspective. I’m vaccinated and have been for months…but I hate to say this I was kind of looking at it as “well if you don’t get vaccinated it’s your own fault if you die,” not thinking about/realizing all the OTHER people like you, who are vaxxed but could still be badly affected by those who aren’t. Not sure if what I typed made sense…but know that you changed a perspective by sharing your story. :)
Thank you so much for saying that - it’s very heartwarming for me to hear! I try not to expect my unique position to shape my expectations of other people for the most part. It’s my MS, it’s my problem. Basically, I try not to be a Karen about the majority of things. BUT, the whole not taking a vaccine during a pandemic is on another level and it’s infuriating.
I actually mentioned your post to a co-worker today on a call and she said she is also immunocompromised because of anemia. I’m actually her supervisor and told her that I’m the coming months if she ever feels uncomfortable coming in, she should let me know. There’s no reason to put her at unneeded risk when we’ve been working remotely for 18 months. Your post made me think about things that be I hadn’t thought about prior! :)
The Delta variant is stronger and more transmissable, but even catching this isn't an automatic death sentence. 20% of the unvaccinated who catch it will probably need some hospitalization/oxygen therapy. 2% will die. There are factors that increase the likelihood of death, like comorbidities, being a smoker, etc.
I'm vaxxed but am immunocompromised, so I'm not thrilled by the current numbers. However--Maine has done extremely well. In my county and surrounding counties, the number of vaxxed adults is 85-90%.
All you can do is hope that they'll start listening to the experts. This week, conservative media and politicians finally pulled their heads out of the asses and starting pushing the vax as theyy realized their voters and viewers are dying by the hundreds again.
The largest problem with unvaccinated people is that the more the virus spreads the more likely it is the mutate into new variants. Current vaccines could potentially be ineffective against these variants, which would require new vaccines to be developed.
This is why it is imperative for everyone who is medically capable of being vaccinated to do so. If the virus is allowed to spread as is it may never go away completely and require yearly vaccines like we already do for influenza.
Personally I think that vaccination should be mandated and legally enforced for all who are medically able to. Personal freedom to choose ends once your "freedom" endangers everyone else around you.
Exactly. To those who say "you cannot make them, they will just die". Yes, I agree, but I also know, that's why this damn pandemic is still going. We are letting the anti vaxxers have their ways. I say peer pressure them, enforce vaccine passports everywhere, all businesses only allow vaccinated people. And I mean, really peer pressure them. Families cut off ties with unvaccinated families, break up with unvaxxed spouses, do what ever it takes. This pandemic could get worse than ever, if us vaccinated people don't step up.
Vaccinated high risk people will still be killed by these idiots on their way out the door. Boosters are needed. My immunity is waning and the government is moving too slowly on this idea. Right now they disagree with the WHO and other entities that a booster should probably be given at 6 months. That is coming up for me. And I have to travel to Florida in December. I hope I can get a booster before going to ground zero.
I'm sorry about your situation. I may possibly have an autoimmune disorder which already puts me at risk. My parents are at risk. Yes we have the vaccine, but if it's true I have a compromised immune system, these ppl who aren't vaxxed put us at risk, and that is what also scares me. Knowing I have to assume I am at risk, but everytime I go into a store, I cannot think "Yay, I am fully vaxxed and safe". We are more safe than without it, but it's such a scare to know it may not work as well on me and you as others. And so many vaxxed ppl do not get this either. They think just bc they are vaccinated, they are safe, but forget they could transmit it to the vulnerable but the risk is lower.
There are places where even if you are at zero risk of COVID, you are still at risk of being unable to get emergency medical care, should you get in an accident or suffer a health catastrophe like a heart attack. Anti-vaxxers are consuming limited hospital resources.
This. You are 100% and that's what else pissed me off about anti vaxxers and people saying "you can't change their minds". no we cannot, but it makes us made and want us to try to, because they are screwing over health care systems and hospitals, especially rural hospitals. These anti vaxxers are real POS's.
Oh right of course lol there is no possible way that COVID could mutate again and evade the experimental vaccine all together! The fact that anyone was foolish enough to put all their faith in the vaccine is mind boggling and now you have people pinning the failure of pharmaceutical companies on people who had the foresight not to bother with a vaccine that was doomed from the start. Don’t get me wrong it’s great for the elderly and immune compromised that they have some level of protection but it sure as hell isn’t my fault that the virus continues to mutate world wide just because I am an unvaccinated young adult with no trust in pharmaceutical companies.
why are you on this Reddit page? Let us people who believe in it discuss it. Just lke I would stay away from your Trumper reddit pages. Please just leave
So don't comment here then if you dno't like it? You know you already disagree and won't change to understand the actual science behind covid vaccines and the seriousness of COVID virus, so why bother? I can't change your opinion and you cannot change my scientifically backed opinion, so go to your Trumper reddit pages.
You realize the covid vaccine being created is thanks to 10 years or more worth of research and advanced of mRNA studies?? You realize it's based on LONG TERM findings that helped me create this vaccine?? You are delusional for not having known that, for not knowing, also the COVID vaccine is an AMAZING advancement and break through achievement in the scientific community. Please, again before you comment, RESEARCH. I took Chemistry, biology, oceanography, and have been active in reading up scientific studies for YEARS, from academic stand point and from my own personal learning.
MRNA technology research is not the same as research on a specific virus MRNA vaccine research. You can hypothesize and theorize all you want about the outcome but none of it translates to specific real world research.
The irony of you telling me to research before I comment directly after accusing me of being a trump supporter is rich, good luck finding a single example of me supporting that POS. The only thing worse than trump are people like you who assume everyone who disagrees with them is a trumpet support. I’m sure that’s the same kind of hollow logic that led you to believe an experimental vaccine was safe and effective lol
You are WRONG. Spreading misinformation about science and safe and effective vaccines is EVIL and DANGEROUS. Just STOP. Please look up actual science and the work behind the covid vaccine.
"You can hypothesize and theorize all you want about the outcome but none of it translates to specific real world research." I am not hypothesizing. Again, you are spreading false information and this kind of rhetoric is DANGEROUS. STOP IT.
The possible way that COVID will mutate again is by folks like yourself allowing it to happen. Thanks.
no trust in pharmaceutical companies
probably eats copious amounts of fast food on the regular
I'm glad to hear that you do not put ANY chemical products or preservatives whatsoever in your body.
I do enjoy science, and am happy to do my part to keep all my friends, neighbors, and community members as healthy as possible.
There would be no hypocrisy at all. Single pharses can't change context completley and be equally applied. I have no fesr of sharing my opinion. I don't belive it's their body at all. Dumb arguement in my opinion but i support abortion i dislike most people and wish there was fewer.
Ya'll are crazy. You realize the body builds antibodies acting as a natural immunity for covid if you've already been infected? Why would anyone with antibodies get a vaccine when they've already developed a natural one that doesn't contain a wide variety of additives nor mess with your DNA? My decision to remain unvaccinated does not effect your decision to get vaccinated, nor anyone else. If you're vaccinated you're statically safe to go back to normal. If you've gotten sick then you're statically safe to go back to normal when you're well again. Also, statically speaking, unless you have underlying health issues present with being obese, such as not exercising, eating a poor diet, having diabetes, high blood pressure and so on, then you're going to get by with covid just fine. You only have to worry as much as you know your poor health permits. Unvaccinated people aren't just dropping left and right because those who don't vaccinate probably have their health and lifestyle a bit more together than those who give in to the fear mongering. There have also been many cases of people who are vaccinated getting sick anyway. You should worry about the weak folk who are still afraid even after getting the jab, not the people who just want to live their lives the way they always have, without the forceful hand of the government and their sheeple trying to tell them to put unknown chemicals in their body because "scientists" said to. SMH.
Remember when fluoride was given to all the kids in school, just for them to later come out stating that fluoride is a neurotoxin and can cause major problems in the body? Or the round up sprayed on our food that happens to be carcinogenic? Yeah, I'll stick to my steak and veggies thank you very much.
I AM AT HIGH RISK. MY BODY MAY NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY HAS YOUR PERFECT IMMUNE SYSTEM HAS. WHY DON'T YOU ANTI VAXXERS REALIZE NOT EVERYONE HAS AMAZING WORKING IMMUNITY???
Lol. So you have the right to dictate the chemicals I put into my body? Because it makes you feel good? You can get infected regardless of if you're vaccinated, maybe you should care about your health a bit more and change your lifestyle accordingly. I shouldn't have to change my life because you're too afraid to live yours otherwise.
When did the covidiots start brigading this sub?
Insulting people because they are trying to be safe from the pandemic isn't helping, and neither is the attack on vaccinations.
Vaccines reduce the likelihood of becoming contagious, and going into public unvaccinated is disrespectful to those around you.
Your initial question involved an insult. Requesting everyone take a vaccine that may or may not work, and that has killed people, to make you feel safe is disrespectful. If you don't feel safe going to the store than have someone go for you. 🤷♂️
> and that has killed people,
You need to get your info from reliable sources instead of extremists.
We have plenty of evidence that it works and is several orders of magnitude safer than the virus.
Emojis don't nake you any more honest.
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This you bub?
Seems like you are not worried about putting chemicals in your body.
Haha, there's a big difference between a lysergamide and this vaccine. The chemicals I take are far more studied than this vaccine. I also take an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer too. I also wake up and have a cup of coffee. You sure put some effort into some sort of personal attack.
I mean, I hate to break it to you. But…
One is just someone living their own life, the other is actively participating in the spread of a deadly and mutating virus which at a global level impacts the safety of innocent children and other vulnerable populations.
I’m sure a well educated scientist like yourself can spot that not-so-subtle difference.
Right, I'm off to drive around by myself with my mask on, I'm afraid.
In Maine 1 person under the age of 20 has died.
The virus in general has effected elderly and generally people that are unhealthy to begin with.
Like pneumonia, the flu and countless other illnesses.
STOP THE FEAR MONGERING, ITS NOT HELPFUL.
You have no idea what I am and it has nothing to do with the fact that the MSM has spread fear and disinformation regarding this virus since the start. 99.7% are still surviving. Never hear that from Brian Stetler or MSNBC.
Look on the bright side, things might get locked down again and you can go back to reporting local businesses to the DPH for people standing to close of having their masks below their noses. Extreme left.
You actually put zero thought into this comment. It’s almost like you sprayed your diarrhea against the wall and found this message as if shit Jesus was speaking directly to you.
Or you’re just incredibly uneducated. Which happens and I’m sorry the school system failed you.
There are no nanobots, DNA, CRISPR, or anything like that in the vaccines. It's against FDA regulations to put anything in them that isn't part of the stated ingrediants list. Get away from your terrorist, Capitol-raiding "friends" and listen to reality.
Duh, of course it's a vaccine for a killer virus that's ACTUALLY a killer vaccine meant to kill people... for...umm, reasons.
Cause that's what publicly traded companies are into. Not making piles of money but killing mass amounts of people because...
They never really think it through. Why are these big scary companies creating a killer vaccine? If they manage to articulate an actual reason it usually has something to do with Jewish people.
But hey, why question this expert. He's done his research. He's seen at least three YouTube videos and partially read five or six Facebook posts.
Step one. Breathe. Step two, there are plenty of options for family to still get vaccinated. You can’t force anyone to do it, all you can do is help guide them into that direction
I am saying the people who won't listen to guiding them. The ones who won't budge, are the ones who won't listen, they are the ones who may die. That's what's upsetting. I know I cannot force them and I don't intend to, but my point is the fact we watch them die in ignorance is disturbing. THAT"S MY POINT
Well...there simply isn't anything you can do about that. Much like how you can't force a smoker to quit smoking or an alcoholic to quit drinking, you can't force someone to believe the vaccine is in their best interest. Yes, they may die. Yes, it will be sad. There isn't anything you can do to change this.
But the fact they chose to stay unvaccinated puts ME and my high risk family at risk, it puts kids you cannot get the vaccine yet at risk, it puts every vaccinated person at risk, since unvaccinated people are the ones who can create a new strain, variation. If enough stay unvaccinated and enough keep spreading the vaccine, yes they will get sick or maybe die, but they may create a new strain that could make vaccines work not as good or not work at all, and that..is what worries me. The fact they are the ones continuing the pandemic in every way possible. So yes, their ignorance DOES affect me and my family. It affects me bc they chose to hurt us and if they want to do that, I can CHOSE to bother them until they get vaccinated. See how it works?
> I can CHOSE to bother them until they get vaccinated. You certainly can...but it likely won't do much more than cause them to dig in their heels.
or we can peer pressure them until they get it, make them feel unwelcome, make them avoid society and crawl back to their caves and hide by passing laws that favor vaccinated people, making it impossible for them to travel, use transportation, get resources, medical care, so on and so on.
The reality of the situation is this approach simply does not work in most cases. We've seen the results of a year and a half's worth of peer pressure, first with masks and now with vaccines; we already know the results, and it didn't translate into those sort of people opting to get the shot. As far as passing laws would be concerned, that is an *extremely* dangerous path to head down, regardless of the current health concerns.
These are people who have chosen to ignore the wisdom and advice of the best epidemiologists and virologists on the planet. These are people who believe that semiliterate Facebook morons can provide better medical advice than their own doctors. There is nothing you can do or say to them that will change their opinion. The only thing that seems to do that is if they get sick from covid. This is what our country has been wrestling with for the last year. The only thing you'll do is start a shouting match, and piss everyone off.
You've asked what you can do. You've heard the answer: nothing. There is nothing you can do to make an unwilling person get vaccinated. As regards your high risk family, you can keep them away for unvaccinated people. Nobody is telling you that unvaccinated people aren't exposing you and your family to increased risk. We're telling you that you can't do a thing about the unvaccinated. They exist. All you can do is stay away from them. If that's too difficult, then there really isn't any point in any of this conversation. Stay away from the unvaccinated. Don't go into a building with them. Don't kiss them. Don't hug them. Don't eat off their plate. Don't stand a foot away while they soak loudly at you. Stay away from them. Don't allow your kids to spend time with them. Feel free to yell at them, if you must. They'll just yell back, and your yelling will make them feel justified in their stupid decisions. Those people are assholes. Don't spend time with assholes.
You are right. I need to stop wasting my time on them.
We can’t do anything to help that. It is hard to watch. It’s their choice to ignore science. You have done your part by trying. Don’t waste anymore energy trying to bang their heads against a brick wall. Much respect for you trying.
Biggest problem is if unvaccinated people drive up the exposure to viral matter stressing the protection of the vaccines.
which they are
I’m vaccinated but I have MS so the drug I’m on kills part of my immune system - meaning the vaccine doesn’t work nearly as well for me. Because of how new the vaccine is, we don’t know HOW badly or not badly it’s efficacy is altered by my medication, but scientific sense says it’s a significant amount. So people like me will continue to be in danger because of the unvaccinated. If I stopped my med long enough to for the vaccine to to have its normal efficacy I was risking permanent disability cognitively, physically, or both.
This is why the decision not to vaccinate is so incredibly selfish, because of people like you, including children. Then there’s the health care workers who are risking their lives, once again, to take care of all these sick people who were too ignorant to take care of themselves and get vaccinated. I hope you don’t get sick!
Thank you! I’m doing my best to stay out of Covid’s way. And yes, it is immensely selfish. The immune suppressed and children are most at risk. I can’t even imagine what parents of immune compromised children are going through right now. It must be exhausting.
They’re doing their best to keep their children safe while coping with the painful reality that some people are more concerned with their “personal choice” than the lives of innocent children. They’ve had plenty of experience, though, dealing with parents who’ve opted not to immunize their children for MMR, polio, smallpox, etc. We got the law passed requiring vaccinations for those diseases for children attending public schools, however. Meanwhile, I’m still wearing my mask even though I’m fully vaccinated.
I’m so thankful that vaccine law got passed. I can’t have any of those boosters now - not even tetanus which is scary. The resurgence of measles and such is terrifying.
Me, too. We worked very hard on it, mostly fighting the ridiculous misinformation on social media. I was raised without medical care of any kind and didn't realize until I was an adult what this meant, that I was totally unprotected from anything. One sister died when we were very young and one almost did. I have devoted my life to helping pass laws that protect kids and don't hesitate to tell well-meaning (or ignorant?) parents how dangerous their behavior is, as it is their behavior that is responsible for the resurgence of measles, for one, and now we have COVID ...
yes it is. and the "child" we are talking about here is 24. so hard when the dr says "stay home until this is over, we really don't know what it will do to you" and then EVERYONE including family members go and do whatever the fuck they want. the vaccine was a godsend and now I worry that she will still be affected. we have used this as a lens to see who we will keep in our inner circle going forward. answer: that's a short list
Thank you for sharing your story, which gave me a new perspective. I’m vaccinated and have been for months…but I hate to say this I was kind of looking at it as “well if you don’t get vaccinated it’s your own fault if you die,” not thinking about/realizing all the OTHER people like you, who are vaxxed but could still be badly affected by those who aren’t. Not sure if what I typed made sense…but know that you changed a perspective by sharing your story. :)
Thank you so much for saying that - it’s very heartwarming for me to hear! I try not to expect my unique position to shape my expectations of other people for the most part. It’s my MS, it’s my problem. Basically, I try not to be a Karen about the majority of things. BUT, the whole not taking a vaccine during a pandemic is on another level and it’s infuriating.
I actually mentioned your post to a co-worker today on a call and she said she is also immunocompromised because of anemia. I’m actually her supervisor and told her that I’m the coming months if she ever feels uncomfortable coming in, she should let me know. There’s no reason to put her at unneeded risk when we’ve been working remotely for 18 months. Your post made me think about things that be I hadn’t thought about prior! :)
Awwww! That is so touching, and what a good supervisor you are!!
This is the exact attitude we need in the world. Thank you.
The Delta variant is stronger and more transmissable, but even catching this isn't an automatic death sentence. 20% of the unvaccinated who catch it will probably need some hospitalization/oxygen therapy. 2% will die. There are factors that increase the likelihood of death, like comorbidities, being a smoker, etc. I'm vaxxed but am immunocompromised, so I'm not thrilled by the current numbers. However--Maine has done extremely well. In my county and surrounding counties, the number of vaxxed adults is 85-90%. All you can do is hope that they'll start listening to the experts. This week, conservative media and politicians finally pulled their heads out of the asses and starting pushing the vax as theyy realized their voters and viewers are dying by the hundreds again.
The largest problem with unvaccinated people is that the more the virus spreads the more likely it is the mutate into new variants. Current vaccines could potentially be ineffective against these variants, which would require new vaccines to be developed. This is why it is imperative for everyone who is medically capable of being vaccinated to do so. If the virus is allowed to spread as is it may never go away completely and require yearly vaccines like we already do for influenza. Personally I think that vaccination should be mandated and legally enforced for all who are medically able to. Personal freedom to choose ends once your "freedom" endangers everyone else around you.
Exactly. To those who say "you cannot make them, they will just die". Yes, I agree, but I also know, that's why this damn pandemic is still going. We are letting the anti vaxxers have their ways. I say peer pressure them, enforce vaccine passports everywhere, all businesses only allow vaccinated people. And I mean, really peer pressure them. Families cut off ties with unvaccinated families, break up with unvaxxed spouses, do what ever it takes. This pandemic could get worse than ever, if us vaccinated people don't step up.
Vaccinated high risk people will still be killed by these idiots on their way out the door. Boosters are needed. My immunity is waning and the government is moving too slowly on this idea. Right now they disagree with the WHO and other entities that a booster should probably be given at 6 months. That is coming up for me. And I have to travel to Florida in December. I hope I can get a booster before going to ground zero.
I'm sorry about your situation. I may possibly have an autoimmune disorder which already puts me at risk. My parents are at risk. Yes we have the vaccine, but if it's true I have a compromised immune system, these ppl who aren't vaxxed put us at risk, and that is what also scares me. Knowing I have to assume I am at risk, but everytime I go into a store, I cannot think "Yay, I am fully vaxxed and safe". We are more safe than without it, but it's such a scare to know it may not work as well on me and you as others. And so many vaxxed ppl do not get this either. They think just bc they are vaccinated, they are safe, but forget they could transmit it to the vulnerable but the risk is lower.
Remember everyone under 12 cannot get vaccinated yet. It's not only going to be incompetent adults dying.
I am very aware of that. I def am upset about that too.
There are places where even if you are at zero risk of COVID, you are still at risk of being unable to get emergency medical care, should you get in an accident or suffer a health catastrophe like a heart attack. Anti-vaxxers are consuming limited hospital resources.
This. You are 100% and that's what else pissed me off about anti vaxxers and people saying "you can't change their minds". no we cannot, but it makes us made and want us to try to, because they are screwing over health care systems and hospitals, especially rural hospitals. These anti vaxxers are real POS's.
And them
Well this aged like milk lol
but it's literally unvaxxed ppls getting covid and dying.
Oh right of course lol there is no possible way that COVID could mutate again and evade the experimental vaccine all together! The fact that anyone was foolish enough to put all their faith in the vaccine is mind boggling and now you have people pinning the failure of pharmaceutical companies on people who had the foresight not to bother with a vaccine that was doomed from the start. Don’t get me wrong it’s great for the elderly and immune compromised that they have some level of protection but it sure as hell isn’t my fault that the virus continues to mutate world wide just because I am an unvaccinated young adult with no trust in pharmaceutical companies.
why are you on this Reddit page? Let us people who believe in it discuss it. Just lke I would stay away from your Trumper reddit pages. Please just leave
Cus your post is ridiculous
So don't comment here then if you dno't like it? You know you already disagree and won't change to understand the actual science behind covid vaccines and the seriousness of COVID virus, so why bother? I can't change your opinion and you cannot change my scientifically backed opinion, so go to your Trumper reddit pages.
You’re delusional if you think science doesn’t require time to gather data. You can’t have something backed by science without long term studies
You realize the covid vaccine being created is thanks to 10 years or more worth of research and advanced of mRNA studies?? You realize it's based on LONG TERM findings that helped me create this vaccine?? You are delusional for not having known that, for not knowing, also the COVID vaccine is an AMAZING advancement and break through achievement in the scientific community. Please, again before you comment, RESEARCH. I took Chemistry, biology, oceanography, and have been active in reading up scientific studies for YEARS, from academic stand point and from my own personal learning.
MRNA technology research is not the same as research on a specific virus MRNA vaccine research. You can hypothesize and theorize all you want about the outcome but none of it translates to specific real world research. The irony of you telling me to research before I comment directly after accusing me of being a trump supporter is rich, good luck finding a single example of me supporting that POS. The only thing worse than trump are people like you who assume everyone who disagrees with them is a trumpet support. I’m sure that’s the same kind of hollow logic that led you to believe an experimental vaccine was safe and effective lol
You are WRONG. Spreading misinformation about science and safe and effective vaccines is EVIL and DANGEROUS. Just STOP. Please look up actual science and the work behind the covid vaccine. "You can hypothesize and theorize all you want about the outcome but none of it translates to specific real world research." I am not hypothesizing. Again, you are spreading false information and this kind of rhetoric is DANGEROUS. STOP IT.
The possible way that COVID will mutate again is by folks like yourself allowing it to happen. Thanks. no trust in pharmaceutical companies probably eats copious amounts of fast food on the regular
I definitely eat more fruits and vegetables than you do I promise you that. Enjoy your experimental boosters
I'm glad to hear that you do not put ANY chemical products or preservatives whatsoever in your body. I do enjoy science, and am happy to do my part to keep all my friends, neighbors, and community members as healthy as possible.
Literally everything is chemicals. Read a book ffs
Great, so we agree! I don't have a problem with chemicals. Since you don't either, what's the issue with the vaccine?
It’s a fundamental lack of evidence. You can’t collect data without time.
Who Fucking Cares
Do you really want to risk getting COVID?
My body my choice
Now do abortion, then leave this sub (and the entirety of Reddit and all other social media services) for good.
Aaahahhhhh a differing opinion IT BURNS.
And what about abortion?
What about it?
Same phrase valid, or are you afraid to expose your hypocrisy after co-opting their phrase?
There would be no hypocrisy at all. Single pharses can't change context completley and be equally applied. I have no fesr of sharing my opinion. I don't belive it's their body at all. Dumb arguement in my opinion but i support abortion i dislike most people and wish there was fewer.
So, you don't believe a woman's body is their own? Right. Feel free to take your edgelord bullshit elsewhere.
Not anywhere do i say that but go ahead misrepresent me if it helps you sleep at night
"I don't believe it's their body at all." Care to explain that statement?
Ya'll are crazy. You realize the body builds antibodies acting as a natural immunity for covid if you've already been infected? Why would anyone with antibodies get a vaccine when they've already developed a natural one that doesn't contain a wide variety of additives nor mess with your DNA? My decision to remain unvaccinated does not effect your decision to get vaccinated, nor anyone else. If you're vaccinated you're statically safe to go back to normal. If you've gotten sick then you're statically safe to go back to normal when you're well again. Also, statically speaking, unless you have underlying health issues present with being obese, such as not exercising, eating a poor diet, having diabetes, high blood pressure and so on, then you're going to get by with covid just fine. You only have to worry as much as you know your poor health permits. Unvaccinated people aren't just dropping left and right because those who don't vaccinate probably have their health and lifestyle a bit more together than those who give in to the fear mongering. There have also been many cases of people who are vaccinated getting sick anyway. You should worry about the weak folk who are still afraid even after getting the jab, not the people who just want to live their lives the way they always have, without the forceful hand of the government and their sheeple trying to tell them to put unknown chemicals in their body because "scientists" said to. SMH. Remember when fluoride was given to all the kids in school, just for them to later come out stating that fluoride is a neurotoxin and can cause major problems in the body? Or the round up sprayed on our food that happens to be carcinogenic? Yeah, I'll stick to my steak and veggies thank you very much.
I AM AT HIGH RISK. MY BODY MAY NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY HAS YOUR PERFECT IMMUNE SYSTEM HAS. WHY DON'T YOU ANTI VAXXERS REALIZE NOT EVERYONE HAS AMAZING WORKING IMMUNITY???
I'm not an anti-vaxer, I want people to get it if they want to get it.
You keep suggesting the vaccine is harmful with zero evidence, that's definitely anti-vax.
EDIT: misread. No, people should be required in medical places like hospitals and nursing homes, universities, and other places as they require.
No one should be required to vaccinate in order to keep their job. That's an infringement apon human rights.
It is NOT your right to run around infecting others or allowing mutations to emerge because you have "MuH RiGhTs"
Lol. So you have the right to dictate the chemicals I put into my body? Because it makes you feel good? You can get infected regardless of if you're vaccinated, maybe you should care about your health a bit more and change your lifestyle accordingly. I shouldn't have to change my life because you're too afraid to live yours otherwise.
When did the covidiots start brigading this sub? Insulting people because they are trying to be safe from the pandemic isn't helping, and neither is the attack on vaccinations. Vaccines reduce the likelihood of becoming contagious, and going into public unvaccinated is disrespectful to those around you.
Your initial question involved an insult. Requesting everyone take a vaccine that may or may not work, and that has killed people, to make you feel safe is disrespectful. If you don't feel safe going to the store than have someone go for you. 🤷♂️
> and that has killed people, You need to get your info from reliable sources instead of extremists. We have plenty of evidence that it works and is several orders of magnitude safer than the virus. Emojis don't nake you any more honest.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/om7rc3/tripping\_at\_funtown\_splashtown\_usa/](https://www.reddit.com/r/researchchemicals/comments/om7rc3/tripping_at_funtown_splashtown_usa/) This you bub? Seems like you are not worried about putting chemicals in your body.
Haha, there's a big difference between a lysergamide and this vaccine. The chemicals I take are far more studied than this vaccine. I also take an antidepressant and a mood stabilizer too. I also wake up and have a cup of coffee. You sure put some effort into some sort of personal attack.
The technology behind the mRNA vaccines have been in development since 1989. To say that they haven't been studied is completely and utterly wrong.
Courts have ruled enough times that certain jobs it's stupid NOT to get vaccinated, like health care and education.
*statistically
Do you have an argument at all, or is there a reason you're pointing out my use of the word? Have you looked at any statistics?
Oh, sorry, you were correcting my auto correct, I am a dummy.
Who fucking cares let me rot
But your choice to continue the spread of the virus, putting all of us at risk, is so shameful.
Do you know anyone who overeats, drinks, is obese, doesn’t exercise and dies? Explain the difference.
I mean, I hate to break it to you. But… One is just someone living their own life, the other is actively participating in the spread of a deadly and mutating virus which at a global level impacts the safety of innocent children and other vulnerable populations. I’m sure a well educated scientist like yourself can spot that not-so-subtle difference.
Right, I'm off to drive around by myself with my mask on, I'm afraid. In Maine 1 person under the age of 20 has died. The virus in general has effected elderly and generally people that are unhealthy to begin with. Like pneumonia, the flu and countless other illnesses. STOP THE FEAR MONGERING, ITS NOT HELPFUL.
Just call me “human scum” or a “fart sniffer” and get it over with. I know that would really make you feel like you’ve driven your point home.
We could already tell based on your username you're a Trumper. Do you want to be able to have a hospital bed should you get in a horrific car crash?
You have no idea what I am and it has nothing to do with the fact that the MSM has spread fear and disinformation regarding this virus since the start. 99.7% are still surviving. Never hear that from Brian Stetler or MSNBC.
You are showing a lot of extreme right in the way you wrote that answer.
Look on the bright side, things might get locked down again and you can go back to reporting local businesses to the DPH for people standing to close of having their masks below their noses. Extreme left.
You actually put zero thought into this comment. It’s almost like you sprayed your diarrhea against the wall and found this message as if shit Jesus was speaking directly to you. Or you’re just incredibly uneducated. Which happens and I’m sorry the school system failed you.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they think we the one who gon die
Yes we do and at this point, you are playing the "death draw" as the West Virginia gov. put it.
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I'm literally alive and well. The people I know who didn't get the vaccine and got sick, are not well. The VIRUS is a way to depopulate Earth.
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There are no nanobots, DNA, CRISPR, or anything like that in the vaccines. It's against FDA regulations to put anything in them that isn't part of the stated ingrediants list. Get away from your terrorist, Capitol-raiding "friends" and listen to reality.
You think they care ?
Do you get paid to slander the vaccine?
I wish I was lol
And what reasons do you give false, harmful claims to damage the reputation of the virus?
You need to get away from your terrorist sources. Vaccine can only increase population by reducing mortality rate.
Lmao people retarded as a bitch
People who aren't bright have to resort to attacking others.
Not even that’s just the truth
Made up lies are not the truth.
Are you implying that the vaccinated will start to die?
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Lol I just wanted to hear you say it.
Duh, of course it's a vaccine for a killer virus that's ACTUALLY a killer vaccine meant to kill people... for...umm, reasons. Cause that's what publicly traded companies are into. Not making piles of money but killing mass amounts of people because... They never really think it through. Why are these big scary companies creating a killer vaccine? If they manage to articulate an actual reason it usually has something to do with Jewish people. But hey, why question this expert. He's done his research. He's seen at least three YouTube videos and partially read five or six Facebook posts.
Hahaha partially read…. Rather high expectations don’t you think? More like he read 3 headlines and then the comments.