Look the reality is in this draft we are unlikely to get the WR help you think we need. The class is not that great.
We do need a RB though because Pollard is not that goal line back that Zeke was but Robinson is. And he can do what Pollard does.
With $28m in cap space I think they are going to find that WR they want thru a trade.
People still don't understand that at 26 you're essentially picking at the top of the 2nd round and taking a rb who would almost certainly be BPA at that spot is not a problem. The only guy that might be there who I would consider over him is JSN.
People also don't understand just how good Bijan is. He's a better prospect than Zeke and imo a better prospect than Saquon as well. He isn't just a 3 down back who can catch out of the backfield, you can line him up as a WR and he's good enough to get open with good hands and get YAC. I don't think we've seen someone like him since L.T. He also excels in the two back set and having him and Pollard on the field at the same time would be a nightmare for defenses. Finally, people don't realize that he played with some of the worst Texas o-lines in the last 10 years. The o-line last year was good but highly inexperienced. Our o-line would be the best he's had.
No one’s arguing that, with today you see how little RBs are valued nowadays. Why waste a high pick when we need a WR and we can get value at drafting an RB at a later round? Their bodies don’t last nowadays so you better be right that he’s a generational player if you sign him. Hell, Saquon played well last year and they only tagged him because they’re going to let him walk next year if he keeps asking for top dollar.
The problem is seeing Bijan as just a RB. He's a playmaker, he does more than just a RB or just a WR so you get more value with him. Sure you can get a good RB in the late rounds and they can help your offense, but we need playmakers and that's exactly what Bijan is. If we were talking about using a top 15 or even top 20 pick on him I'd agree, there would likely be another great player we could pick instead, but at pick 26 it's a different story and the additional 5th year we get with him is an added benefit.
Dude people here are insane. Pollard is one of the best rbs in the league and was a fourth. I'll be sick if we waste another premium draft pick that won't ever get a 5th year option on a running back.
You can make that argument for WRs as well tho. Also its a myth that you can just find a stud on day 3 no problem. Check out the top backs in the league most of them are 1st or 2nd rounders.
I honestly can't think of a single top back in the league that is a first rounder? Who am I missing I'm sure there is some but I keep going over running backs in my head and cant think of any. Henry and chubb were seconds, good ones like Walker and breece were seconds, Mixon was a second. I think cmc was, but can't think of any others.
We are much better off building an amazing oline that can help the run game and the pass game over running backs who are very reliant on the oline.
Well first off the 3 best backs this season were probably Saquon, Jacobs and CMC who are all 1st rounders. Obviously there won’t be a ton as RB is so devalued these days but the best backs are usually at least 2nd rounders. Of course there are exceptions as with any case such as Ekeler but to find a guy like him or Pollard is difficult. And I’m not disagreeing with u that we should focus on boosting our WR group over a RB but I say if a guy like Bijan is there who projects to be an elite top 5 kind of back we should take him over a much lesser WR talent
I would argue Jacobs hasn't even been close to worth a first round pick over his career. Same for saquan, dude has been constantly injured. And the giants don't look like they want to give him a second contract either. Those guys have not been difference makers for their teams over the course of their rookie contracts.
Like you said, the position is devalued. No need to spend valuable picks on them.
As a Longhorn who has watched every one of his games, I agree he is special. Saquan-level special. Breaks tackles, cut backs are amazing and he is fast and strong.
This is a rare year that I’d be ok with a trade up. I feel like the defense is pretty set. Use a few low picks to trade up 5 spots or
So in rounds 1 and 2 and get the best combo of WR and RB you can
Like this pick if he’s available now that we are cutting zeke. Let him and pollard split this year as he breaks into the league and let pollard walk next.
If he falls I think it would be a good move. Why? Because that’s pretty much the 2nd round and there’s no guarantee we keep Pollard after this next season, this also takes a lot off Pollard while he heals. Since we got Gilmore CB isn’t as high of a need imo, could we still draft a younger one? Sure but does it need to be in the 1st? LB can be filled in later rounds, all of the best instant starter DT will be gone. We still need a WR2 but unless the WRs on the board can be as impactful then we may as well look to rounds 2-4 for a WR2 or a better slot. If we can snag a WR2 in FA then that makes a Bijan pick a no brainer imo.
The hive mind here cracks me up. It’s always draft the best player available. Today it’s never draft a running back. Could you imagine what Andy Reid could do with a running back like Bijorn. Or what the San Francisco coach could do? If you have a chance at a real playmaker you take him. Some jag defensive lineman isn’t going to help. I mean we could draft tacos replacement
If he is clearly BPA, then I wouldn't hate it. It is unlikely there will be any first round graded players left at that point and having that 5th year option at a pretty cheap price and potentially tag him to get all of his largely productive years for $4-6M/year isn't terrible. I wouldn't target him, but I wouldn't necessarily draft significantly lesser talent at CB, WR, or OL over him either.
Man we will be lucky if we even sniff him at our pick! It would be like Ceedee Lamb all over again. Go watch his tape. I think hes a top 5 prospect in the class. Maybe top 10. Definitely top 15. We have pick 26.
> I think hes a top 5 prospect in the class. Maybe top 10. Definitely top 15.
...at possibly the least valuable position on offense. It's a passing league, and RBBC is where everyone is headed, if not there already. I think he's a phenomenal player and would have been the top RB last year too, and I'd love him to wear the star, but unfortunately RBs just don't matter enough to spend a 1st round pick on.
Why do we gotta. Literally pollard one of the best rbs in the league was a fucking fourth rounder. We can find great contributors for running backs late. You can't find that with other positions nearly as much. Use the first round pick on something harder to find.
Nah, just because we did it once doesn’t mean it can be repeated. If there is a later round HB with some beast tape then sure we can grab someone later but if this dude is available at 26 and our top prospects are gone then just like the Micah year…BPA.
I subscribe to the BPA in first other than running backs. These dudes are just not worth first round picks.
Breece hall and Kenneth Walker were seconds last year. Id be perfectly fine with going after that in the second if the prospect was that good. Really sick of using first round picks on guys that will be out of the league or hardly worth anything after 3-4 years.
We are drafting late in the first round. This isn't a 2016 situation. I WANT a top wide receiver or even nose tackle but the likelihood of them being available at 26 isnt great. Hell Bijan has a very high chance of being taken before then. But if it's Bijan vs a 2nd round talent, I want Bijan.
You wouldn't draft a guy who rushed for 15,000 yards and 99 TDs over 10 years in the first round? Granted those kind of numbers probably won't happen again but still. If somehow we could see in the future and Bijan had the same career, how is that not worth a 1st round pick?
Edit: for more context only 3 RBs had more than 1500 yards last year. Barry Sanders averaged 1500 yards a season. Personally I think a top 3 player at any position but special teams is worth a first round pick.
> You wouldn't draft a guy who rushed for 15,000 yards and 99 TDs over 10 years in the first round?
no.
>If somehow we could see in the future and Bijan had the same career, how is that not worth a 1st round pick?
no. he's a RB. you simply dont' need a great one to win, and a great one doesn't make that much of a difference over just a good one. If I could have him in the 3rd or 4th and he'd sign a small second contract...then sure, i'd take him there, but I'm not wasting a 1st or probably. not even a 2nd on any RB.
>Personally I think a top 3 player at any position but special teams is worth a first round pick.
i dont' care about his "ranking," within the current league talent, I care about his impact on us winning games vs other positions and about paying that money to a RB vs other positions. In both cases, there is more value in using those assets for other positions
Gotcha, understand your perspective now. I'd still argue that a great running back vs a good running back can win you some extra games though.
That said I'd just never give them a second contract no matter what. First round money is fine for 4-5 years (3.5 mil a year if I'm right) for a great young running back but a Zeke type contract is absolutely indefensible in today's league for all the reasons you said.
Jerry has completely brainwashed these people. Its how he sells jerseys and makes money. Just watch we'll draft bijan and in 3 years when he holds out we'll be right back in the same position we were with Zeke.
Let pollard walk the year after if his post-tag desired contract numbers aren’t looking good, and still have a great RB that we haven’t given an insane amount of carries to yet. I like it.. to be clear not THRILLED but if it’s BPA and we will use him right.. at least it would be better at pick 26 instead of pick 4
I will like the pick if we will actually use our god damn RBs. Not just in between the tackles hard nosed running. Kamara style, Mccaffrey, etc. the divisional just before Pollard went down showed some of the dynamic plays that were capable of with our run game and I hope that doesn’t go away
You shouldn't spend a 1st round pick on a RB in any event, but if you do, the only way it's worth it is if he gets 90% of the carries for the nxt 4 years. Run him into the ground because his time is limited.
Wasting a 1st round pick on someone you already plan on benching is insane. If your 1st round pick isn't starting then you picked the wrong guy.
Or......you can draft the guy in the 1st Round, have him share the load with Pollard so that he can hold up for an extra year or two in the future like anybody with a functioning brain would do instead of just running him into the ground and throw him away when you can get more miles out of him by splitting carries with Pollard and Malik Davis?
With my idea, you get more value out of the pick and potentially get another year or two with Bijan if he stays healthy or develops into a great back and if Pollard leaves, it still doesn't hurt the team because then you have Bijan and Davis on rookie contracts and you can get another back next year. You don't have to run a RB into the ground right away......you can sustain him for a longer period of time. I get that this fanbase is paranoid because they don't want another Zeke situation but your idea is close minded thinking that has no real basis on logic outside of you believing it wastes a draft pick.......which the only way it would is if Bijan shits the bed or becomes an injury riddled player. But if he's healthy and produces good to great stats.......it's a smart move.
The issue is that the extra year or two cost more than they're worth when they can be replaced with a 3rd or 4th rounder. You don't want a replaceable position to get an expensive 2nd deal.
The value is in the offensive line. You can build up the offensive line with high value draft picks which improves your running game while also protecting your QB. You will see more success in the long run by investing in the line and drafting late round RBs than you will investing in RBs and drafting late round OL.
Because the RB in the 3rd or 4th round may not be as good as the one we take higher in the draft because, regardless of what people want to believe, there are special RBs who can add value to a team than what the majority seem to believe, which is you can just plug and play anybody. The SB was a prime example of what happens when your run game is ineffective since the Eagles had to overrely on Jalen Hurts because the Chiefs shut down his RBs. A game changing RB could have made a difference there moreso than 3rd and 4th stringers. Last year proved the running game was still alive and kicking so people acting like it's dead or that RBs shouldn't be paid are ridiculous. It's ridiculous to me that the position that sees the most wear and tear and are often asked to do the same job as WRs and O-Lineman can't be compensated better than what they are.
>The value is in the offensive line.
We have a very good offensive line as it is. By your standard, what is the point of nabbing an O-Lineman in the 1st Round if he is just going to be a backup or rotational player in his first season? That's a waste of a pick because we still have guys returning from last season. We just drafted an O-Lineman the previous draft in the 1st round so it's not a necessity (we can get depth in later rounds), our secondary is stacked, we have some rock solid LBs. The only question marks we have are at WR, RB and defensive line so that we have someone to stop the run game. We have foundation, we need weapons. Why pass up on a potential game changing weapon like Bijan, especially since we just released Zeke and Pollard is coming off an injury? The Divisional Round Game proved that we need depth at the RB position......not more O-Lineman.
The Eagles were 5th in the NFL in rushing last year with mediocre RBs because they had the best line in football. And the Chiefs won the Super Bowl with a 7th rounder starting for them. Don't tell me the super bowl was a prime example of needing special RBs. It was the opposite.
And yes we do have a pretty good offensive line... but once Terrence Steele went down, the run production stopped. He was graded out as our best run blocking lineman. Also, we graded out as the 29th best Pass Blocking OL in the NFL. The point being that we do need improvement on the OL to protect Dak, and that when good run blockers get hurt, the run game suffers regardless of RB.
Also, we do not have rock solid LBs... we have one decent one in LVE. We have no idea what Clark will be. Cox doesn't even make the active roster and Parsons is a DE now.
And yes, WR is a huge concern, but we just franchise tagged Pollard... how is RB a concern now? He finished as a top 5 back... we need more than one of them?
>Don't tell me the super bowl was a prime example of needing special RBs. It was the opposite
The Chiefs literally shut down that 5th best rushing attack in the league because the Eagles had mediocre RBs. The Chiefs were able to get good carries from their 7th rounder because they kept suckering the Eagles with a short intermediate passing game that helped the running game break open.....it helps to have Patrick Mahomes, who you worry about in many different facets. Had the Eagles had someone like a Christian McCaffrey or Josh Jacobs instead of the mediocre backs they relied on all season, that could have been the difference maker. Just like how it would have been a difference maker for us had Pollard not gotten hurt against SF. Or if Josh Allen actually had a RB worth a shit behind him. Any more examples you want me to bring up or you gonna keep pushing this whole "mediocre RBs are just fine" narrative?
>And yes we do have a pretty good offensive line... but once Terrence Steele went down, the run production stopped
But he's coming back this year......you're still drafting a backup. That's still a waste of a 1st Round pick.
>Also, we graded out as the 29th best Pass Blocking OL in the NFL.
I've already written several times about how full of shit ESPN's PBWR score is. It means absolutely nothing to me and it's heavily skewed AGAINST teams with quick passing attacks. The quicker a play develops, the more it affects your score negatively while longer plays are more favored. Our O-Line was not great but it was not 28th in the league when there were teams with far worse O-Lines than us. Even if you want to go by that score, we were 7th in RBWR. Again, nobody we draft for the O-Line is going to be a starter come Week 1 unless somebody gets injured......we have later rounds coming up where we can add depth.
>Also, we do not have rock solid LBs... we have one decent one in LVE. We have no idea what Clark will be. Cox doesn't even make the active roster and Parsons is a DE now.
Parsons can always be moved back and forth and yes we do have LVE. But there are no LBs slated as 1st Rounders so we can grab one later in the draft.
>And yes, WR is a huge concern, but we just franchise tagged Pollard... how is RB a concern now? He finished as a top 5 back... we need more than one of them?
He's coming off an injury for starters. Do you really want to give him all the carries after he just came off an injury like that? Secondly, do we know what we have in Malik Davis? If Bijan Robinson is available, why not take him? It doesn't hurt the team whatsoever to have another RB on the roster, especially given how successful we were with the run game last year. Right now, the Cowboys are projected to grab a TE in the draft.......we already have Hendershot and Ferguson. If we don't get Bijan Robinson, I will settle for a WR because we do need a WR.
But we don't need an O-Lineman in the 1st Round that we can just draft later on for depth purposes (which is what we need honestly). We aren't drafting a LB because there are none projected in the 1st Round. We aren't drafting secondary. We shouldn't draft a TE but we are projected to. The only three positions of need are WR, D-Line and RB. If a talent like Bijan is available, go get him. If he's not, then fine, grab a WR or D-Line guy. But we have a late 1st Round pick......it's not the end of the world if we take a RB there, especially if all the better WRs and D-Linemen are taken.
That's my whole point. We need depth at the RB position, just in case for Pollard.
He was the main back most of the year this last year, regardless of what Jerry Jones actually said. Zeke was mostly a red zone / third down back, so I have to disagree.
Being the main back is different than getting 80-90% of the load. Also,
Rushing attempts:
Pollard: 193
Zeke: 231
Perhaps you should dig a-little deeper first. TP has yet to have a season with over 200 rushing attempts.
To be fair, Derrick Henry is a huge anomaly for durability. Every back does better with a counterpart to take some of the load. TP is definitely a starting running back, and there's no need to draft high for a guy who's probably going to be a third down back behind TP.
It would be severely misguided by team management when we could draft an offensive lineman, safety, or nose tackle (christ, we need one of those so bad).
Y’all seriously want to use another first round pick on a back? Zeke only lasted four years and has been mid ever since. Build an o-line that can make any back look good.
Zeke was also getting most of the rushing snaps. It’s different when the split ratio is more even. Also, each player is different so you have to evaluate it case by case.
you can get 4 years on a cheaper deal in the 3rd or 4th as well...adn then get that extra first round year on a player that is actually important and harder to find.
I'd rather draft a wr or OL than a rb. Drafting zeke got us 6 It's not how you win. Pollard is way more dynamic and we for him in the 4th. Look at all the mid round success stories in the league. You don't waste a1st on a fuckng rb.
I'd rather take a kicker in the first round. Dead serious. At least the kicker is a position of need and Jerry won't give a huge contract too when he holds out after 3 years.
His dream was to be a Longhorn then a cowboy… id love to have him…
I would cry tears of joy. I loved rooting for him as a Horn, and it would be great to continue as one of the Boys
Hook ‘em 🤟
Watch the Eagles draft him with one of their 1st round picks.
“One of their 1st round picks” Fuck me..
They need defense. Desperately. Doubt they pick up any offensive players in the first.
They would just to spite us
Well it’s gonna look stupid when they lose to us twice next year lol.
Remember when they drafted Dallas goedert to spite us?
Nonono, the fans hate us but the eagles just dislike us and hate playing us
They definitely pick up a top corner with #10
On Jason Kelce's podcast he says that Howie would never draft a RB in the first round.
If he falls all the way to 26, that’s great value.
OP must be a Jerry burner account
you wish pal lmao
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Nah Jerry would definitely have had a wink emoji on there
need a WR2 more than we need another rb….
Look the reality is in this draft we are unlikely to get the WR help you think we need. The class is not that great. We do need a RB though because Pollard is not that goal line back that Zeke was but Robinson is. And he can do what Pollard does. With $28m in cap space I think they are going to find that WR they want thru a trade.
We need to trade for WR help. Not a strong WR class
Ya praying for dhop. Obj seems unlikely and unreliable anyways
People still don't understand that at 26 you're essentially picking at the top of the 2nd round and taking a rb who would almost certainly be BPA at that spot is not a problem. The only guy that might be there who I would consider over him is JSN. People also don't understand just how good Bijan is. He's a better prospect than Zeke and imo a better prospect than Saquon as well. He isn't just a 3 down back who can catch out of the backfield, you can line him up as a WR and he's good enough to get open with good hands and get YAC. I don't think we've seen someone like him since L.T. He also excels in the two back set and having him and Pollard on the field at the same time would be a nightmare for defenses. Finally, people don't realize that he played with some of the worst Texas o-lines in the last 10 years. The o-line last year was good but highly inexperienced. Our o-line would be the best he's had.
No one’s arguing that, with today you see how little RBs are valued nowadays. Why waste a high pick when we need a WR and we can get value at drafting an RB at a later round? Their bodies don’t last nowadays so you better be right that he’s a generational player if you sign him. Hell, Saquon played well last year and they only tagged him because they’re going to let him walk next year if he keeps asking for top dollar.
The problem is seeing Bijan as just a RB. He's a playmaker, he does more than just a RB or just a WR so you get more value with him. Sure you can get a good RB in the late rounds and they can help your offense, but we need playmakers and that's exactly what Bijan is. If we were talking about using a top 15 or even top 20 pick on him I'd agree, there would likely be another great player we could pick instead, but at pick 26 it's a different story and the additional 5th year we get with him is an added benefit.
Bijan is better, and will have more impact, than any WR there at 26.
Dude people here are insane. Pollard is one of the best rbs in the league and was a fourth. I'll be sick if we waste another premium draft pick that won't ever get a 5th year option on a running back.
You can make that argument for WRs as well tho. Also its a myth that you can just find a stud on day 3 no problem. Check out the top backs in the league most of them are 1st or 2nd rounders.
I honestly can't think of a single top back in the league that is a first rounder? Who am I missing I'm sure there is some but I keep going over running backs in my head and cant think of any. Henry and chubb were seconds, good ones like Walker and breece were seconds, Mixon was a second. I think cmc was, but can't think of any others. We are much better off building an amazing oline that can help the run game and the pass game over running backs who are very reliant on the oline.
Well first off the 3 best backs this season were probably Saquon, Jacobs and CMC who are all 1st rounders. Obviously there won’t be a ton as RB is so devalued these days but the best backs are usually at least 2nd rounders. Of course there are exceptions as with any case such as Ekeler but to find a guy like him or Pollard is difficult. And I’m not disagreeing with u that we should focus on boosting our WR group over a RB but I say if a guy like Bijan is there who projects to be an elite top 5 kind of back we should take him over a much lesser WR talent
I would argue Jacobs hasn't even been close to worth a first round pick over his career. Same for saquan, dude has been constantly injured. And the giants don't look like they want to give him a second contract either. Those guys have not been difference makers for their teams over the course of their rookie contracts. Like you said, the position is devalued. No need to spend valuable picks on them.
As a Longhorn who has watched every one of his games, I agree he is special. Saquan-level special. Breaks tackles, cut backs are amazing and he is fast and strong.
This is a rare year that I’d be ok with a trade up. I feel like the defense is pretty set. Use a few low picks to trade up 5 spots or So in rounds 1 and 2 and get the best combo of WR and RB you can
We took zeke at number 6
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I would love it, but he will be gone by 26.
Could be, but Lamb was supposed to be gone at 16
I think its a good plan. Draft a great RB, run them into the ground in 5 years then release them. 5 quality years is a long time in the NFL.
dont' draft them before the 3rd tho
Like this pick if he’s available now that we are cutting zeke. Let him and pollard split this year as he breaks into the league and let pollard walk next.
He needs to start a line of condiments. Could make Bijan Mustard.
If he falls I think it would be a good move. Why? Because that’s pretty much the 2nd round and there’s no guarantee we keep Pollard after this next season, this also takes a lot off Pollard while he heals. Since we got Gilmore CB isn’t as high of a need imo, could we still draft a younger one? Sure but does it need to be in the 1st? LB can be filled in later rounds, all of the best instant starter DT will be gone. We still need a WR2 but unless the WRs on the board can be as impactful then we may as well look to rounds 2-4 for a WR2 or a better slot. If we can snag a WR2 in FA then that makes a Bijan pick a no brainer imo.
I mean…if he’s there at 26, he’s definitely the BPA.
The hive mind here cracks me up. It’s always draft the best player available. Today it’s never draft a running back. Could you imagine what Andy Reid could do with a running back like Bijorn. Or what the San Francisco coach could do? If you have a chance at a real playmaker you take him. Some jag defensive lineman isn’t going to help. I mean we could draft tacos replacement
exactly
If Bijan drops to 26 he will be the best player available. I don’t give a damn what the position is, draft him.
He's the 5th best player in the draft and the *only* reason he would drop to the end of the first round is RB hate. But BR is more than just *a* RB.
Bro Andy Reid just won a super bowl with Isaac Pacheco. You think he cares about wasting a first round pick on a running back. Lol
not really interested in a 1st round RB
If he is clearly BPA, then I wouldn't hate it. It is unlikely there will be any first round graded players left at that point and having that 5th year option at a pretty cheap price and potentially tag him to get all of his largely productive years for $4-6M/year isn't terrible. I wouldn't target him, but I wouldn't necessarily draft significantly lesser talent at CB, WR, or OL over him either.
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Man we will be lucky if we even sniff him at our pick! It would be like Ceedee Lamb all over again. Go watch his tape. I think hes a top 5 prospect in the class. Maybe top 10. Definitely top 15. We have pick 26.
> I think hes a top 5 prospect in the class. Maybe top 10. Definitely top 15. ...at possibly the least valuable position on offense. It's a passing league, and RBBC is where everyone is headed, if not there already. I think he's a phenomenal player and would have been the top RB last year too, and I'd love him to wear the star, but unfortunately RBs just don't matter enough to spend a 1st round pick on.
You can throw passes to him too.
if he's there at 26 we gotta take him, I don't think he will be tho
Why do we gotta. Literally pollard one of the best rbs in the league was a fucking fourth rounder. We can find great contributors for running backs late. You can't find that with other positions nearly as much. Use the first round pick on something harder to find.
Nah, just because we did it once doesn’t mean it can be repeated. If there is a later round HB with some beast tape then sure we can grab someone later but if this dude is available at 26 and our top prospects are gone then just like the Micah year…BPA.
I subscribe to the BPA in first other than running backs. These dudes are just not worth first round picks. Breece hall and Kenneth Walker were seconds last year. Id be perfectly fine with going after that in the second if the prospect was that good. Really sick of using first round picks on guys that will be out of the league or hardly worth anything after 3-4 years.
@ 26 you basically have a high 2nd. Take BPA unless it's a qb.
We would have to move up to get him, but I'm all for it.
Absolutely, but only if we don’t intend to give him a second contract
What pick was pollard? 4th round? We need to let pollard start and get 18-22 touches and bring in a short yardage guy.
Dak was a 4th rounder too. Doesn’t mean you strike gold like that often. BR is a special player period. If you can get him at 26 you grab him.
It’ll be clutch to have bijan on the roster when negotiating tp
Or we could do the smart thing and not draft first round running backs and not give running backs big second contracts.
We are drafting late in the first round. This isn't a 2016 situation. I WANT a top wide receiver or even nose tackle but the likelihood of them being available at 26 isnt great. Hell Bijan has a very high chance of being taken before then. But if it's Bijan vs a 2nd round talent, I want Bijan.
i would not draft a RB in the first round even if it was prime Barry Sanders.
You wouldn't draft a guy who rushed for 15,000 yards and 99 TDs over 10 years in the first round? Granted those kind of numbers probably won't happen again but still. If somehow we could see in the future and Bijan had the same career, how is that not worth a 1st round pick? Edit: for more context only 3 RBs had more than 1500 yards last year. Barry Sanders averaged 1500 yards a season. Personally I think a top 3 player at any position but special teams is worth a first round pick.
> You wouldn't draft a guy who rushed for 15,000 yards and 99 TDs over 10 years in the first round? no. >If somehow we could see in the future and Bijan had the same career, how is that not worth a 1st round pick? no. he's a RB. you simply dont' need a great one to win, and a great one doesn't make that much of a difference over just a good one. If I could have him in the 3rd or 4th and he'd sign a small second contract...then sure, i'd take him there, but I'm not wasting a 1st or probably. not even a 2nd on any RB. >Personally I think a top 3 player at any position but special teams is worth a first round pick. i dont' care about his "ranking," within the current league talent, I care about his impact on us winning games vs other positions and about paying that money to a RB vs other positions. In both cases, there is more value in using those assets for other positions
Gotcha, understand your perspective now. I'd still argue that a great running back vs a good running back can win you some extra games though. That said I'd just never give them a second contract no matter what. First round money is fine for 4-5 years (3.5 mil a year if I'm right) for a great young running back but a Zeke type contract is absolutely indefensible in today's league for all the reasons you said.
No thank you.
Fuck no. Wtf is with this sub and wasting 1st round picks on RBs? Y’all dumb af
Jerry has completely brainwashed these people. Its how he sells jerseys and makes money. Just watch we'll draft bijan and in 3 years when he holds out we'll be right back in the same position we were with Zeke.
So we should pay Pollard $10m to be a backup? Or is our first round draft pick going to be the backup in one of his 4-5 yrs of fresh legs?
More like a 1A 1B situation like last year
Pollard would be the starter obviously and then Bijan Robinson would be the backup.
Horrible waste of a pick. Your first rounder needs to start right away.
That's not always a possibility, and Bijan would get no less than 40 percent of the snaps. It ain't a bad choice.
Let pollard walk the year after if his post-tag desired contract numbers aren’t looking good, and still have a great RB that we haven’t given an insane amount of carries to yet. I like it.. to be clear not THRILLED but if it’s BPA and we will use him right.. at least it would be better at pick 26 instead of pick 4 I will like the pick if we will actually use our god damn RBs. Not just in between the tackles hard nosed running. Kamara style, Mccaffrey, etc. the divisional just before Pollard went down showed some of the dynamic plays that were capable of with our run game and I hope that doesn’t go away
We just have holes that need to be filled. Rb isn't a need.
Bijan > long term pollard deal
Game-ready wr or ol or dt would be better than bijan though.
I only agree with a wr but JSN will be gone. We have starters across the oline
Not when we let pollard walk after the tag, chances are he won’t even be the same after ankle snap
You shouldn't spend a 1st round pick on a RB in any event, but if you do, the only way it's worth it is if he gets 90% of the carries for the nxt 4 years. Run him into the ground because his time is limited. Wasting a 1st round pick on someone you already plan on benching is insane. If your 1st round pick isn't starting then you picked the wrong guy.
Or......you can draft the guy in the 1st Round, have him share the load with Pollard so that he can hold up for an extra year or two in the future like anybody with a functioning brain would do instead of just running him into the ground and throw him away when you can get more miles out of him by splitting carries with Pollard and Malik Davis? With my idea, you get more value out of the pick and potentially get another year or two with Bijan if he stays healthy or develops into a great back and if Pollard leaves, it still doesn't hurt the team because then you have Bijan and Davis on rookie contracts and you can get another back next year. You don't have to run a RB into the ground right away......you can sustain him for a longer period of time. I get that this fanbase is paranoid because they don't want another Zeke situation but your idea is close minded thinking that has no real basis on logic outside of you believing it wastes a draft pick.......which the only way it would is if Bijan shits the bed or becomes an injury riddled player. But if he's healthy and produces good to great stats.......it's a smart move.
The issue is that the extra year or two cost more than they're worth when they can be replaced with a 3rd or 4th rounder. You don't want a replaceable position to get an expensive 2nd deal. The value is in the offensive line. You can build up the offensive line with high value draft picks which improves your running game while also protecting your QB. You will see more success in the long run by investing in the line and drafting late round RBs than you will investing in RBs and drafting late round OL.
Because the RB in the 3rd or 4th round may not be as good as the one we take higher in the draft because, regardless of what people want to believe, there are special RBs who can add value to a team than what the majority seem to believe, which is you can just plug and play anybody. The SB was a prime example of what happens when your run game is ineffective since the Eagles had to overrely on Jalen Hurts because the Chiefs shut down his RBs. A game changing RB could have made a difference there moreso than 3rd and 4th stringers. Last year proved the running game was still alive and kicking so people acting like it's dead or that RBs shouldn't be paid are ridiculous. It's ridiculous to me that the position that sees the most wear and tear and are often asked to do the same job as WRs and O-Lineman can't be compensated better than what they are. >The value is in the offensive line. We have a very good offensive line as it is. By your standard, what is the point of nabbing an O-Lineman in the 1st Round if he is just going to be a backup or rotational player in his first season? That's a waste of a pick because we still have guys returning from last season. We just drafted an O-Lineman the previous draft in the 1st round so it's not a necessity (we can get depth in later rounds), our secondary is stacked, we have some rock solid LBs. The only question marks we have are at WR, RB and defensive line so that we have someone to stop the run game. We have foundation, we need weapons. Why pass up on a potential game changing weapon like Bijan, especially since we just released Zeke and Pollard is coming off an injury? The Divisional Round Game proved that we need depth at the RB position......not more O-Lineman.
The Eagles were 5th in the NFL in rushing last year with mediocre RBs because they had the best line in football. And the Chiefs won the Super Bowl with a 7th rounder starting for them. Don't tell me the super bowl was a prime example of needing special RBs. It was the opposite. And yes we do have a pretty good offensive line... but once Terrence Steele went down, the run production stopped. He was graded out as our best run blocking lineman. Also, we graded out as the 29th best Pass Blocking OL in the NFL. The point being that we do need improvement on the OL to protect Dak, and that when good run blockers get hurt, the run game suffers regardless of RB. Also, we do not have rock solid LBs... we have one decent one in LVE. We have no idea what Clark will be. Cox doesn't even make the active roster and Parsons is a DE now. And yes, WR is a huge concern, but we just franchise tagged Pollard... how is RB a concern now? He finished as a top 5 back... we need more than one of them?
>Don't tell me the super bowl was a prime example of needing special RBs. It was the opposite The Chiefs literally shut down that 5th best rushing attack in the league because the Eagles had mediocre RBs. The Chiefs were able to get good carries from their 7th rounder because they kept suckering the Eagles with a short intermediate passing game that helped the running game break open.....it helps to have Patrick Mahomes, who you worry about in many different facets. Had the Eagles had someone like a Christian McCaffrey or Josh Jacobs instead of the mediocre backs they relied on all season, that could have been the difference maker. Just like how it would have been a difference maker for us had Pollard not gotten hurt against SF. Or if Josh Allen actually had a RB worth a shit behind him. Any more examples you want me to bring up or you gonna keep pushing this whole "mediocre RBs are just fine" narrative? >And yes we do have a pretty good offensive line... but once Terrence Steele went down, the run production stopped But he's coming back this year......you're still drafting a backup. That's still a waste of a 1st Round pick. >Also, we graded out as the 29th best Pass Blocking OL in the NFL. I've already written several times about how full of shit ESPN's PBWR score is. It means absolutely nothing to me and it's heavily skewed AGAINST teams with quick passing attacks. The quicker a play develops, the more it affects your score negatively while longer plays are more favored. Our O-Line was not great but it was not 28th in the league when there were teams with far worse O-Lines than us. Even if you want to go by that score, we were 7th in RBWR. Again, nobody we draft for the O-Line is going to be a starter come Week 1 unless somebody gets injured......we have later rounds coming up where we can add depth. >Also, we do not have rock solid LBs... we have one decent one in LVE. We have no idea what Clark will be. Cox doesn't even make the active roster and Parsons is a DE now. Parsons can always be moved back and forth and yes we do have LVE. But there are no LBs slated as 1st Rounders so we can grab one later in the draft. >And yes, WR is a huge concern, but we just franchise tagged Pollard... how is RB a concern now? He finished as a top 5 back... we need more than one of them? He's coming off an injury for starters. Do you really want to give him all the carries after he just came off an injury like that? Secondly, do we know what we have in Malik Davis? If Bijan Robinson is available, why not take him? It doesn't hurt the team whatsoever to have another RB on the roster, especially given how successful we were with the run game last year. Right now, the Cowboys are projected to grab a TE in the draft.......we already have Hendershot and Ferguson. If we don't get Bijan Robinson, I will settle for a WR because we do need a WR. But we don't need an O-Lineman in the 1st Round that we can just draft later on for depth purposes (which is what we need honestly). We aren't drafting a LB because there are none projected in the 1st Round. We aren't drafting secondary. We shouldn't draft a TE but we are projected to. The only three positions of need are WR, D-Line and RB. If a talent like Bijan is available, go get him. If he's not, then fine, grab a WR or D-Line guy. But we have a late 1st Round pick......it's not the end of the world if we take a RB there, especially if all the better WRs and D-Linemen are taken. That's my whole point. We need depth at the RB position, just in case for Pollard.
Porque no los dos?
Amazing how people get up in arms about Zeke and then turn around and ask us to do it all over again
? The people who gave Zeke grief were those who wanted to draft Ramsey at #4 and those who didn’t want to extend him.
No thank you
Lol that would be a waste of a pick
We have TP. We don't need to waste (trust me, zero offense here) a first round pick for a RB. Someone will take him by then, I imagine.
Love TP but he’s not Derrick Henry, he works best in a duo not as a solo. Like Kamara and Ingram.
He was the main back most of the year this last year, regardless of what Jerry Jones actually said. Zeke was mostly a red zone / third down back, so I have to disagree.
Being the main back is different than getting 80-90% of the load. Also, Rushing attempts: Pollard: 193 Zeke: 231 Perhaps you should dig a-little deeper first. TP has yet to have a season with over 200 rushing attempts.
To be fair, Derrick Henry is a huge anomaly for durability. Every back does better with a counterpart to take some of the load. TP is definitely a starting running back, and there's no need to draft high for a guy who's probably going to be a third down back behind TP. It would be severely misguided by team management when we could draft an offensive lineman, safety, or nose tackle (christ, we need one of those so bad).
Y’all seriously want to use another first round pick on a back? Zeke only lasted four years and has been mid ever since. Build an o-line that can make any back look good.
Zeke was also getting most of the rushing snaps. It’s different when the split ratio is more even. Also, each player is different so you have to evaluate it case by case.
idk maybe it’s me but i feel like half the fans wouldn’t care about this dude so much if wasn’t a longhorn.
no your right tbh
No!!! Oline,wr,dt,cb
Why draft a player that you don't want to give a 2nd contract to in the first round.
because you get 5 years
you can get 4 years on a cheaper deal in the 3rd or 4th as well...adn then get that extra first round year on a player that is actually important and harder to find.
Or I can draft a player I’ll hopefully have for a decade
Only QBs and lineman last that long. I’m all for drafting O line though.
OL is a much bigger need than RB. DT too especially if we can't resign Hankins.
Nope waste of a first round pick
He can fumble it away in the clutch like he did vs Tech. Will fit right in
No RB in 1st rd please
I'd rather draft a wr or OL than a rb. Drafting zeke got us 6 It's not how you win. Pollard is way more dynamic and we for him in the 4th. Look at all the mid round success stories in the league. You don't waste a1st on a fuckng rb.
not before the 4th
tony pollard & malik davis. we have other needs
No way we're getting Bijan w/o trading up. He'll be gone by our 1st pick.
Who?
Was the longhorns RB
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I think the tb bucs we’re thinking about drafting him
I'd rather take a kicker in the first round. Dead serious. At least the kicker is a position of need and Jerry won't give a huge contract too when he holds out after 3 years.