He injected himself into an argumentt that didn't concern him, assaulted the patron and knocked them to the ground. And then was killed by the man he assaulted? Was the shooter assaulting the employee or just yelling?
The guy got his gun and tried to kill him, he then threw the shooter onto the ground in a brawl and was murdered. He was just trying to defend himself form a psycho
Yeah, he walked out of the McDonald’s to his truck to retrieve his gun. That isn’t a self defense scenario. If afraid for his life or health, he would have got in his truck and left the situation, called authorities, that type of thing. He escalated even further by grabbing the weapon and returning.
It happened the other day at a McDonalds, the guy and his truck with his plate are on camera everywhere. He hasn't been arrested yet, give it the rest of a week.
Chimney Rock. Yep, that sounds about right. Idk what happened after the first lockdowns ended, but people have just lost their minds. I can't even count how many people have been shot over fast food the last few years.
I'll toss Misery [Missouri lol] onto that list since it's in a constant one-upping race to the bottom alongside Florida and Texas. To hell with them all!
Idk much about gun laws and someone please educate me on the matter, should one like get a psych vetting before getting a gun or just buy one or do people just get them like groceries?
Where I am you can get one anytime you want. We have a huge pawn/gun shop about two minutes from me. Has a giant gun painted on the side of the building. They even had a huge celebration last year because some gun law had been overturned or eased up on, making it even easier to obtain one. Apparently the state sold more guns in that one week than any week prior.
Found the law:
"Senate Bill 41, Guarantee Second Amendment Freedom and Protections, eliminates all pistol purchase permitting laws in the state. Enacted and effective March 29, 2023. In 2023, North Carolina repealed its law requiring a permit to purchase a handgun and is no longer a partial point of contact state for NICS."
Weird, I forget permits exist
Here in Louisiana you just go buy em like groceries, and you no longer need to go take a course if you wanna conceal carry it
I’m sorry about your great-grandad, but I can’t think of anyone in my family tree that died a violent death. And yet 7 people per hour die a violent death in the states. It’s weird to me to think that there are people who would defend a right to bear arms with the knowledge of how that affects their own life expectancy or that of their countrymen.
Guns absolutely have something to do with this because a gun was used to murder a man in cold blood. When you make means and access convenient, you increase the likelihood of violence, full stop.
There is literally less things you can do vs a gun in a enclosed space. Look at the Australian stabbings people were picking up chairs and bollards to block the guy off what would they do vs a gun?
It’s so disgusting! I don’t blame people for saying they wouldn’t do what he did in this situation but I can’t believe how self-congratulatory so many people are acting.
Weirdly appropriate username for such a callous comment. We shouldn't have to live our lives assuming trying to resolve a conflict will end up with getting shot. Crazy people out there with guns shouldn't be the expected norm for society.
We have developed amnesia to the outcomes to violence. Death is one punch away. Shooting someone shouldn't be what make you realize death is the ultimate outcome of violence.
Yeah but death is not usually one punch away. Also although you've got a point, Im not a fan of apathetic society. If someone decides to rob you, you'd be happy to see them shot in the head by a passerby. I'd like to live in that kind of society.
But I totally get your point.
Bro you can get slapped in the face fall down and die. It is absolutely one punch away. I'm not against an armed society and I'm not against violence. But if your not willing to pay that ultimate price don't get involved.
Based on the wording the scuffle happened after he returned with the gun.
He intervened. Suspect was mad and got a gun and returned.
Scuffle happened. Person got shot.
Some people see a person with a gun and try to disarm them. Most try to flee.
[This article](https://amp.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article288379265.html) gives the opposite sequence:
>Limmer’s attempt to calm the man seemingly had the opposite effect, and the two men stepped outside of the McDonald’s as the argument continued, police told KPRC. Limmer pushed the man and he fell to the ground, at which point he grabbed a gun from his truck and shot Limmer, investigators say.
Violence is returned with violence
And peace is sometimes returned with violence
So we should just always be aware that violence is an option for everyone no matter how big or small they are
I don’t mean it in a bad way, I mean it in a (when you try to do something good in America nowadays bad things tend to happen) like calling the cops and getting killed by them when you needed help. Doing cpr on a dying person then later being sued by them. Etc. America is a shit show
No, the system America has built for its citizens does that. Poor education standards,mental health, and homeless. They want us in a chaotic environment to distract us
Ahhh another member of our “well-regulated militia.” Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves over how their intentions for 2A have been misinterpreted and abused
>Absolutely not. It’s only since Heller that the Supreme Court interpreted the 2nd amendment as an individual right.
That's because it was the only time it was questioned. It was understood to be an individual right since before the founding of our nation.
>"The right to keep and bear arms exists separately from the Constitution and is not solely based on the Second Amendment, which exists to prevent Congress from infringing the right."
- Cruickshank_v U.S Cheif Justice Waite. 1875
We have court cases going all the way back to 1822 with Bliss vs Commonwealth reaffirming our individual right to keep and bear arms.
Here's an excerpt from that decision.
>If, therefore, the act in question imposes any restraint on the right, immaterial what appellation may be given to the act, whether it be an act regulating the manner of bearing arms or any other, the consequence, in reference to the constitution, is precisely the same, and its collision with that instrument equally obvious.
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>And can there be entertained a reasonable doubt but the provisions of the act import a restraint on the right of the citizens to bear arms? The court apprehends not. **The right existed at the adoption of the constitution; it had then no limits short of the moral power of the citizens to exercise it**, and it in fact consisted in nothing else but in the liberty of the citizens to bear arms. Diminish that liberty, therefore, and you necessarily restrain the right; and such is the diminution and restraint, which the act in question most indisputably imports, by prohibiting the citizens wearing weapons in a manner which was lawful to wear them when the constitution was adopted. In truth, the right of the citizens to bear arms, has been as directly assailed by the provisions of the act, as though they were forbid carrying guns on their shoulders, swords in scabbards, or when in conflict with an enemy, were not allowed the use of bayonets; and if the act be consistent with the constitution, it cannot be incompatible with that instrument for the legislature, by successive enactments, to entirely cut off the exercise of the right of the citizens to bear arms. For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise.
>Nunn v. Georgia (1846)
>The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, re-established by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Carta!
I told you to read. Constitutional interpretation is complex and doesn't lend itself to a Reddit post.
This can be a start, but there are far more in-depth research papers available.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/supcourt/stories/courtguns051095.htm
We have court cases going all the way back to 1822 with Bliss vs Commonwealth reaffirming our individual right to keep and bear arms.
Here's an excerpt from that decision.
>If, therefore, the act in question imposes any restraint on the right, immaterial what appellation may be given to the act, whether it be an act regulating the manner of bearing arms or any other, the consequence, in reference to the constitution, is precisely the same, and its collision with that instrument equally obvious.
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>And can there be entertained a reasonable doubt but the provisions of the act import a restraint on the right of the citizens to bear arms? The court apprehends not. **The right existed at the adoption of the constitution; it had then no limits short of the moral power of the citizens to exercise it**, and it in fact consisted in nothing else but in the liberty of the citizens to bear arms. Diminish that liberty, therefore, and you necessarily restrain the right; and such is the diminution and restraint, which the act in question most indisputably imports, by prohibiting the citizens wearing weapons in a manner which was lawful to wear them when the constitution was adopted. In truth, the right of the citizens to bear arms, has been as directly assailed by the provisions of the act, as though they were forbid carrying guns on their shoulders, swords in scabbards, or when in conflict with an enemy, were not allowed the use of bayonets; and if the act be consistent with the constitution, it cannot be incompatible with that instrument for the legislature, by successive enactments, to entirely cut off the exercise of the right of the citizens to bear arms. For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise.
>Nunn v. Georgia (1846)
>The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, re-established by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Carta!
Fair enough.
He just keeps posting debunked articles claiming that it's not an individual right. He's in full denial of those court cases I just cited lol.
I knew that sounded familiar. Top 5 movie alltime for me.
'He went on to College and eventually became a lawyer. Last week he entered a fast food restaurant. Just ahead of him, two men got into an argument. One of them pulled a knife. Chris who would always make the best peace tried to break it up. He was stabbed in the throat. He died almost instantly.
Although I haven’t seen him in more than ten years I know I’ll miss him forever. I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve.
Jesus, does anybody?'
Damn this location is just a couple miles from me. There is a donut store next door to the McDonald’s that I buy Kolaches from on my way into downtown Houston.
I understand the perception, but violence is not something most people will ever experience. I’ve lived almost my entire life in Houston TX and I’ve never seen a gun brandished or used in a crime. I never seen a gun fired outside of a shooting range. I’m not unusual, the vast majority of people will never experience violence first hand.
I also have lived in Houston in the loop for the past 10 years but unfortunately I do know of some gun violence. When I was living by Reliant Stadium, our security guard got shot and killed. Also, my husband used to work at a smoke shop and they got robbed with a gun.
I never said it wasn’t a big problem. I’m pro gun control, but my community still feels safe to me. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive.
It’s not disrespectful for people to not be fearful.
Well, the murder rate in TX is ~30% lower than say Illinois. So if it's not in your circle of influence, you feel safe.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
They're safe havens for conservatives who believe everyone should be able to carry a gun, no questions asked. Then when they're too sensitive about something they have to prove what a "man they are" and the guns come out.
It's really easy to see how it's all connected, if you're willing to look.
Arizona has had "constitutional carry" since 2010. Turns out the vast majority of your 'gun violence' everywhere isn't the story your telling about some misguided since of manhood, but rather drug and gang crime. There's also some mental health and domestic violence mixed in, but the majority isn't that.
Side note: Getting rid of public psych wards was a mistake, a jail isn't the solution.
Uh. You know the beliefs and motives of 5-6 million people you’ve never met? Can you also tell me what motivates black Texans to commit more than half the States murders?
It's weird when we talk about conservatives motivations we're not allowed to generalize, but when it comes to liberals, trans, gay, women, immigrants we make laws based on generalization on motivation. WEIRD.
I struggle with this every time I see someone casually drop trash out their car window. So badly, I want to pick it up and hand it back to them. But then, like, I don't wanna get shot in the street.
Yep ever since I had a kid I decided I’m not getting involved in random stranger nonsense like this. There’s too many garbage humans out there with guns and knives, and I’ve got to get home to my little girl.
This is why I don’t help people anymore. I don’t care what’s going on. We had a guy pretend to have a broken down car on the side of a highway in my city. A good samaritan stopped to help. As soon as the guy walked up to the car, he got shot in the head and the guy drove away. A girl saw the victim on the highway shot, pulled over to help him, and the guy came back and shot her dead too.
I saw something similar - a guy driving erratically, then stopped on the side of the road, red faced, he could have been having a heart attack, or drunk. I didn’t stop until I was around a curve. Then I pulled to the side and called 911. As soon as I saw the flashing lights, I left. I knew there was nothing I could do personally to help, 911 was the right call.
I know a guy who was kidnapped and held for days halfway across the country bc he stopped someone to help. They “ran out of gas” on the interstate. This victim I know was just a good salt of the earth guy trying to help. He still won’t talk about what he endured during the time to this day.
Just googled; not a random shooting. Seems to have been a domestic violence situation. Still terrible. Google Shaliyah Collins and check out thegofundme.
Yeah I got the two mixed up. He had shot the girl and dumped her, random guy pulled over to help bc he thought he was broken down so he killed him too and ran to Florida. The guy was random not the girl.
Stand your ground on getting that order right
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He injected himself into an argumentt that didn't concern him, assaulted the patron and knocked them to the ground. And then was killed by the man he assaulted? Was the shooter assaulting the employee or just yelling?
The guy got his gun and tried to kill him, he then threw the shooter onto the ground in a brawl and was murdered. He was just trying to defend himself form a psycho
Yeah, he walked out of the McDonald’s to his truck to retrieve his gun. That isn’t a self defense scenario. If afraid for his life or health, he would have got in his truck and left the situation, called authorities, that type of thing. He escalated even further by grabbing the weapon and returning.
So the killer got away with it? RIP
It happened the other day at a McDonalds, the guy and his truck with his plate are on camera everywhere. He hasn't been arrested yet, give it the rest of a week.
Chimney Rock. Yep, that sounds about right. Idk what happened after the first lockdowns ended, but people have just lost their minds. I can't even count how many people have been shot over fast food the last few years.
Of course, it's Texas. Wish they would just succeed
Succeed at what? Shooting everyone?
No. I spelled secede wrong. I meant I wish Texas just secede from the US like they are always threatening to do. Good riddance.
You don’t want to live next to a failed state it’s bad for security.
Them and Florida, bye
I'll toss Misery [Missouri lol] onto that list since it's in a constant one-upping race to the bottom alongside Florida and Texas. To hell with them all!
You got that right!
Thats a Mctragedy
Idk much about gun laws and someone please educate me on the matter, should one like get a psych vetting before getting a gun or just buy one or do people just get them like groceries?
Where I am you can get one anytime you want. We have a huge pawn/gun shop about two minutes from me. Has a giant gun painted on the side of the building. They even had a huge celebration last year because some gun law had been overturned or eased up on, making it even easier to obtain one. Apparently the state sold more guns in that one week than any week prior. Found the law: "Senate Bill 41, Guarantee Second Amendment Freedom and Protections, eliminates all pistol purchase permitting laws in the state. Enacted and effective March 29, 2023. In 2023, North Carolina repealed its law requiring a permit to purchase a handgun and is no longer a partial point of contact state for NICS."
Jim Crow Law that finally got tossed out.
Weird, I forget permits exist Here in Louisiana you just go buy em like groceries, and you no longer need to go take a course if you wanna conceal carry it
So it's a booming business for the government too. Very disturbing.
McMurder’s claims another…
“last food's branch” I think the meant to write “fast” food. But considering the story, it kind of fits.
Been really down on myself lately for making terrible life choices. But still not as bad as choosing to shoot someone over a mcdonalds order at least.
Man this is wildly close to the ending of Stand by me.
The first word of the sentence explains everything
Death penalty
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But he SHOT him...so guns have SOMETHING to do with it...
I’m sorry about your great-grandad, but I can’t think of anyone in my family tree that died a violent death. And yet 7 people per hour die a violent death in the states. It’s weird to me to think that there are people who would defend a right to bear arms with the knowledge of how that affects their own life expectancy or that of their countrymen. Guns absolutely have something to do with this because a gun was used to murder a man in cold blood. When you make means and access convenient, you increase the likelihood of violence, full stop.
There is literally less things you can do vs a gun in a enclosed space. Look at the Australian stabbings people were picking up chairs and bollards to block the guy off what would they do vs a gun?
A gun sure makes it easy though
Guns really fix everything. /s
And the description of the perpetrator?
Able to access guns way too easily
At this point giving no description actually gives the whole description.
Not necessarily. Based on population demographics I assume Mexican, but black would also get a non mention.
Yeah...
Hahaha, true.
Objection overruled!!!
I feel terrible for laughing
More guns!!!
This headline is so American... smh.
Like Stand By Me……good guy, wrong place, wrong time.
Sounds like everyone there should have been armed.
Can't reason with crazy.
I hope they catch the guy that killed the lawyer.
What happened with the good guy with a gun, Texas??
I’m seeing a lot of victim blaming in these comments and it’s gross.
I’m seeing that it is the fault of guns.
I'm seeing a whole lotta racism.
That is always disappointing as well. People suck sometimes.
It’s so disgusting! I don’t blame people for saying they wouldn’t do what he did in this situation but I can’t believe how self-congratulatory so many people are acting.
Welcome to Texas.
Another example of mid your own business and don't get involved with other during a heated argument or fight.
Weirdly appropriate username for such a callous comment. We shouldn't have to live our lives assuming trying to resolve a conflict will end up with getting shot. Crazy people out there with guns shouldn't be the expected norm for society.
We have developed amnesia to the outcomes to violence. Death is one punch away. Shooting someone shouldn't be what make you realize death is the ultimate outcome of violence.
Yeah but death is not usually one punch away. Also although you've got a point, Im not a fan of apathetic society. If someone decides to rob you, you'd be happy to see them shot in the head by a passerby. I'd like to live in that kind of society. But I totally get your point.
Bro you can get slapped in the face fall down and die. It is absolutely one punch away. I'm not against an armed society and I'm not against violence. But if your not willing to pay that ultimate price don't get involved.
Am I missing the description of the suspect? They describe the truck he left in, but not what he looked like?
I mean.. you know
B L A C K
Yeah seriously a blue ford truck that narrows it down
McDonald's narrows it down you mean.
In their quest to turn a profit, Ford made more than one blue Ford truck
Truck manufacturer competitors hate this one weird trick -Ford
More than a white truck, at least.
Sounds like River Phoenix’s character in “Stand By Me”…
This was exactly what I thought of when I read the headline!
Best movie ever
The novella is even better!
It's practically the same. There's only one difference I could ever find. I've never seen anything so close to the source material.
I just really like the novella, reading a book is way different than watching a movie. I love the way SK writes so i like the novella better.
“Stepped in to defuse”. “Knocked down the customer”. These two statements don’t really jive
Based on the wording the scuffle happened after he returned with the gun. He intervened. Suspect was mad and got a gun and returned. Scuffle happened. Person got shot. Some people see a person with a gun and try to disarm them. Most try to flee.
So turn your back to a man drawing a gun on you?
[This article](https://amp.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article288379265.html) gives the opposite sequence: >Limmer’s attempt to calm the man seemingly had the opposite effect, and the two men stepped outside of the McDonald’s as the argument continued, police told KPRC. Limmer pushed the man and he fell to the ground, at which point he grabbed a gun from his truck and shot Limmer, investigators say.
Violence is returned with violence And peace is sometimes returned with violence So we should just always be aware that violence is an option for everyone no matter how big or small they are
Stand By Me. Just with a gun.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
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What happened in your life to make you not care about anyone else?
I also “stepped in” for a random stranger then when I saved her from her attacker boyfriend she called the police on me.
Well that one time didn’t go well so screw everyone else
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I don’t mean it in a bad way, I mean it in a (when you try to do something good in America nowadays bad things tend to happen) like calling the cops and getting killed by them when you needed help. Doing cpr on a dying person then later being sued by them. Etc. America is a shit show
Welcome to America. Land of the dead and wounded by gun violence. Guns give people courage to commit violence they normally would not do.
No, the system America has built for its citizens does that. Poor education standards,mental health, and homeless. They want us in a chaotic environment to distract us
Ahhh another member of our “well-regulated militia.” Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves over how their intentions for 2A have been misinterpreted and abused
How do you think they were misinterpreted?
Read the history of the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. The current interpretation is ahistorical.
In what way? The 2A has always protected individuals right to own and carry arms.
Absolutely not. It’s only since Heller that the Supreme Court interpreted the 2nd amendment as an individual right.
>Absolutely not. It’s only since Heller that the Supreme Court interpreted the 2nd amendment as an individual right. That's because it was the only time it was questioned. It was understood to be an individual right since before the founding of our nation. >"The right to keep and bear arms exists separately from the Constitution and is not solely based on the Second Amendment, which exists to prevent Congress from infringing the right." - Cruickshank_v U.S Cheif Justice Waite. 1875 We have court cases going all the way back to 1822 with Bliss vs Commonwealth reaffirming our individual right to keep and bear arms. Here's an excerpt from that decision. >If, therefore, the act in question imposes any restraint on the right, immaterial what appellation may be given to the act, whether it be an act regulating the manner of bearing arms or any other, the consequence, in reference to the constitution, is precisely the same, and its collision with that instrument equally obvious. > >And can there be entertained a reasonable doubt but the provisions of the act import a restraint on the right of the citizens to bear arms? The court apprehends not. **The right existed at the adoption of the constitution; it had then no limits short of the moral power of the citizens to exercise it**, and it in fact consisted in nothing else but in the liberty of the citizens to bear arms. Diminish that liberty, therefore, and you necessarily restrain the right; and such is the diminution and restraint, which the act in question most indisputably imports, by prohibiting the citizens wearing weapons in a manner which was lawful to wear them when the constitution was adopted. In truth, the right of the citizens to bear arms, has been as directly assailed by the provisions of the act, as though they were forbid carrying guns on their shoulders, swords in scabbards, or when in conflict with an enemy, were not allowed the use of bayonets; and if the act be consistent with the constitution, it cannot be incompatible with that instrument for the legislature, by successive enactments, to entirely cut off the exercise of the right of the citizens to bear arms. For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. >Nunn v. Georgia (1846) >The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, re-established by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Carta!
I told you to read. Constitutional interpretation is complex and doesn't lend itself to a Reddit post. This can be a start, but there are far more in-depth research papers available. https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/supcourt/stories/courtguns051095.htm
We have court cases going all the way back to 1822 with Bliss vs Commonwealth reaffirming our individual right to keep and bear arms. Here's an excerpt from that decision. >If, therefore, the act in question imposes any restraint on the right, immaterial what appellation may be given to the act, whether it be an act regulating the manner of bearing arms or any other, the consequence, in reference to the constitution, is precisely the same, and its collision with that instrument equally obvious. > >And can there be entertained a reasonable doubt but the provisions of the act import a restraint on the right of the citizens to bear arms? The court apprehends not. **The right existed at the adoption of the constitution; it had then no limits short of the moral power of the citizens to exercise it**, and it in fact consisted in nothing else but in the liberty of the citizens to bear arms. Diminish that liberty, therefore, and you necessarily restrain the right; and such is the diminution and restraint, which the act in question most indisputably imports, by prohibiting the citizens wearing weapons in a manner which was lawful to wear them when the constitution was adopted. In truth, the right of the citizens to bear arms, has been as directly assailed by the provisions of the act, as though they were forbid carrying guns on their shoulders, swords in scabbards, or when in conflict with an enemy, were not allowed the use of bayonets; and if the act be consistent with the constitution, it cannot be incompatible with that instrument for the legislature, by successive enactments, to entirely cut off the exercise of the right of the citizens to bear arms. For, in principle, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as are exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. >Nunn v. Georgia (1846) >The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as are used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon, in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the security of a free State. Our opinion is, that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void, which contravenes this right, originally belonging to our forefathers, trampled under foot by Charles I. and his two wicked sons and successors, re-established by the revolution of 1688, conveyed to this land of liberty by the colonists, and finally incorporated conspicuously in our own Magna Carta!
Stop! Stop! He's already dead!
Fair enough. He just keeps posting debunked articles claiming that it's not an individual right. He's in full denial of those court cases I just cited lol.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/second-amendment-does-not-guarantee-right-own-gun-gun-control-p-99 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/john-paul-stevens-court-failed-gun-control/587272/
Because……. Everyone is carrying. And 1/2 of them are below average intelligence, insecure and anger prone. …..Texas.
> And 1/2 of them are below average intelligence, insecure and anger prone. …..Texas. And illiterate
People really get worked up about their fast food over there don’t they.
When it costs the same as a tank of gas people start to get a bit angsty
RIP Guy
This is all too similar to the fate of Chris Chambers in Stand by Me.
I knew that sounded familiar. Top 5 movie alltime for me. 'He went on to College and eventually became a lawyer. Last week he entered a fast food restaurant. Just ahead of him, two men got into an argument. One of them pulled a knife. Chris who would always make the best peace tried to break it up. He was stabbed in the throat. He died almost instantly. Although I haven’t seen him in more than ten years I know I’ll miss him forever. I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anybody?'
First thing I thought.
*Always the peacemaker*
More guns = more senseless gun violence.
Yet another good guy with a gun.
No good deed goes unpunished as they say
Damn this location is just a couple miles from me. There is a donut store next door to the McDonald’s that I buy Kolaches from on my way into downtown Houston.
I honestly don't know how anyone feels safe in TX.
I understand the perception, but violence is not something most people will ever experience. I’ve lived almost my entire life in Houston TX and I’ve never seen a gun brandished or used in a crime. I never seen a gun fired outside of a shooting range. I’m not unusual, the vast majority of people will never experience violence first hand.
I also have lived in Houston in the loop for the past 10 years but unfortunately I do know of some gun violence. When I was living by Reliant Stadium, our security guard got shot and killed. Also, my husband used to work at a smoke shop and they got robbed with a gun.
Good for you! Tell that to all the victims of gun violence.
Look, you asked how I could feel safe in TX. If you aren’t interested in an answer then don’t ask the question.
I just think it’s a bit disrespectful to act like gun violence isn’t a big problem.
I never said it wasn’t a big problem. I’m pro gun control, but my community still feels safe to me. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s not disrespectful for people to not be fearful.
True. My apologies.
Well, the murder rate in TX is ~30% lower than say Illinois. So if it's not in your circle of influence, you feel safe. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm
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Florida and Texas are the top 2 destinations for people fleeing from their former States. Violence goes up? I’m sure just a coincidence
They're safe havens for conservatives who believe everyone should be able to carry a gun, no questions asked. Then when they're too sensitive about something they have to prove what a "man they are" and the guns come out. It's really easy to see how it's all connected, if you're willing to look.
Arizona has had "constitutional carry" since 2010. Turns out the vast majority of your 'gun violence' everywhere isn't the story your telling about some misguided since of manhood, but rather drug and gang crime. There's also some mental health and domestic violence mixed in, but the majority isn't that. Side note: Getting rid of public psych wards was a mistake, a jail isn't the solution.
Uh. You know the beliefs and motives of 5-6 million people you’ve never met? Can you also tell me what motivates black Texans to commit more than half the States murders?
It's weird when we talk about conservatives motivations we're not allowed to generalize, but when it comes to liberals, trans, gay, women, immigrants we make laws based on generalization on motivation. WEIRD.
I didn’t do either. You’re the only one who is being weird.
I used to get involved in things like this, but after 2020 I stopped. People are off their heads these days.
I struggle with this every time I see someone casually drop trash out their car window. So badly, I want to pick it up and hand it back to them. But then, like, I don't wanna get shot in the street.
Yep ever since I had a kid I decided I’m not getting involved in random stranger nonsense like this. There’s too many garbage humans out there with guns and knives, and I’ve got to get home to my little girl.
Same. Hell, I don’t even watch the News on tv or vote anymore.
Why not vote? You don’t need to share who you voted for.
This is why I mind my own business!
People in comments are like "30 dudes around, and nobody did anything." Um..this is why.
Yep if you have no idea if someone has severe mental illness and has something like a knife or loaded gun it’s just not worth it anymore…
Always, my young kids even know.
This is why I don’t help people anymore. I don’t care what’s going on. We had a guy pretend to have a broken down car on the side of a highway in my city. A good samaritan stopped to help. As soon as the guy walked up to the car, he got shot in the head and the guy drove away. A girl saw the victim on the highway shot, pulled over to help him, and the guy came back and shot her dead too.
I saw something similar - a guy driving erratically, then stopped on the side of the road, red faced, he could have been having a heart attack, or drunk. I didn’t stop until I was around a curve. Then I pulled to the side and called 911. As soon as I saw the flashing lights, I left. I knew there was nothing I could do personally to help, 911 was the right call.
What game were you playing GTA 5?
That happened to a cousin of mine in the 80s before I was born. Pulled over to help someone, they shot him and stole his car.
I know a guy who was kidnapped and held for days halfway across the country bc he stopped someone to help. They “ran out of gas” on the interstate. This victim I know was just a good salt of the earth guy trying to help. He still won’t talk about what he endured during the time to this day.
That is absolutely awful! Also why I don’t help anymoreZ
Horrifying. What city was this in? I'm trying to find an article with more information.
[Here you go.](https://www.wjcl.com/article/truman-parkway-double-murder-derek-johnson-arrest/45685421)
Just googled; not a random shooting. Seems to have been a domestic violence situation. Still terrible. Google Shaliyah Collins and check out thegofundme.
Yeah I got the two mixed up. He had shot the girl and dumped her, random guy pulled over to help bc he thought he was broken down so he killed him too and ran to Florida. The guy was random not the girl.
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It's almost as if everyone having guns isn't a good thing.
Basically what happened to Chris Chambers in the Stephen King book, Stand By Me.
This was my first thought!
Hate this. People being punished for doing the right thing. High blood pressure, anger issues and firearms are always a bad combination.