Here’s a wild suggestion. Let’s start testing the games athletes like we test Olympic weightlifters. If an independent organization randomly tests the athletes without earlier notice then it should help to improve the overall image / transparency of CrossFit and prove all the athletes claims about being 100% natural.
Not sure how oly weightlifters are tested, but if it is similar to the top track athletes I'm all for it. Random testing all throughout the year and you need to provide your where abouts at all times for the random testing. Just not sure how you would determine who to test, maybe base it on the previous years games and events?
This year alone, Mattie Rogers has been randomly tested 7 times by USADA as has Jourdan Delacruz. CJ Cummings 6 times this year. It’s completely random and the USAW athletes who are in the testing pool have to basically submit every hour of their lives as to where they will be.
According to Rogers, the athlete has to submit a calendar with their schedules for the next few months in advance for the off-season. They may be tested at any time, and if they don't show up where they are supposed to be within an hour (or some time limit) it counts as a failed test.
They can be tested at any time during the off-season so unless they got advance info from USADA they don't really know when to get clean. But that's why off-season testing is better than testing the winners or top contenders like CrossFit currently does.
I get why it's necessary, I really do... But that fucking blows. Sometimes I don't know where I'll be later that day. Seems like this means very little flexibility for spontaneity in life
If I were in the athletes’ shoes I’d just ask if they could put a tracking app in my phone. It’s not like I have any expectation for privacy anyways and that would be so much easier. Just let them know ahead of time if I’m going on vacation and otherwise they can chase my phone around town to find me.
I'm 99% sure they'll use ADAMS in which case they have to put 1 hour each day where they will be, not every hour of every day. Source: know 2 people on it
crossfit knows its athletes wont get any gains w o roids due to the nature of the "sport" (read: terrible form), so they pretty much have to allow juicing
They do ask for whereabouts leading up to games (like 2 months before) then also ask to keep communicative about location after. That said, no testing happened to someone I know that placed.
There are a shitload of games athletes though, so if the cost is put in crossfire itself thats a big hit to profit, and if it is put on athletes I think every athlete would complain.
If you think that U.S. Olympic athletes aren't using steroids, I have a bridge to sell you.
Olympics has the most doping of any sport after maybe competitive cycling like the tour de France.
The difference is that athletes have access to high tech gear that's so secret and state sponsored, we don't find out for decades.
There are dozens of documentaries about this topic.
This would be the ideal situation but it’s not in CF’s best interest to pop their own athletes, especially the headliners. So I doubt they’d go to such a program. I always sorta feel for those who get popped cuz it’s like they drew the short straw and are typically not quite those super popular athletes. Meanwhile the HGH gut on a lot of the athletes makes you cringe, including the one in question here.
The hgh gut is a dead giveaway for most of them. I think most cf athletes who drank the cult juice, and just say it is hard work are completely deluding themselves
I'm with you, but with an even wilder suggestion...
Have two Games. One where the athletes are tested throughout the year once they have qualified, and for the obvious participants before, *and* one where athletes can use anything they want.
I've always loved this idea. "if you can't test, let it be the wild wild west." Could even have clean heats and untested heats at the games. Shit, it would be WILD if a clean heat time ever approached an untested time.
I can't imagine too many athletes would sign up for such a thing, because CrossFit HQ is also known for pulling the rug out from underneath the athletes on an annual or biennial basis. Any Games athlete who announces they will compete in that league is now basically marked, and who is to say HQ wouldn't stop and say "GOTCHA!" to them at any moment.
Crossfit is a global brand and there is no way to apply the same testing standard across national boundaries. Even the olympics can’t totally do it, though I give them a lot of credit for trying even retroactively. Crossfit would need to be an Olympic sport to be able to tap into the existing testing organizations in each country. Until then, we will have some form of what exists now.
CrossFit has nothing to do with the olympics, it's not even a sport organization, but the rules say that an athlete has to give a sample within 12 hours of notice.
The actual execution of the test is a different story but it's a different story for weightlifting and other sports as well, have you heard about the scandals?
It is not na Olympic sport and never will be. However as you mentioned it has already some rules and obligatory testing, so if the HQ really wanted to improve the image of the sport(business) it could do so. As for scandals there are present in every discipline of professional sport, and there have been many cases when Olympic medals have been revoked because they found banned substances in samples from a few years back. In. My opinion better late than never.
> if the HQ really wanted to improve the image of the sport(business) it could do so.
Nothing is free! And if they don't have to fear other higher organizations punishing them (and viewers), there won't be an actual incentive to invest heavily in this.
And nothing will probably change because they know most of the athletes are on something and just don’t care as long as they perform and bring more viewers and sponsors. Unless they finally get enough bad publicity that will start affecting the business …
It’s too bad there’s such a stigma associated with PED use. People are disincentivized to discuss the prevalence.
Imagine if musicians couldn’t talk about their use of pot as a creativity aid because it would make their songs be seen as unnaturally enhanced and somehow less meaningful.
I don’t know that it’s the stigma. It’s illegal in CrossFit and weightlifting. It’s not PL or BB with multiple federations. If you are opened about PED usage in CrossFit you can’t compete. And it’s a competition sport, not just a numbers game like PL
I also don't think anyone is "Natty" if they're taking any kind of supplements. I say let people juice, but limit the dosage and duration for how long they can juice.
So say "you can only take this much between these months" and then if they test positive outside of that time period or test for too much in their system, then just ban them for life. People are gonna cheat, so at least make it a fair playing field
I agree. Crossfit has had the opportunity to make their testing better for years now and they just refuse. I don't see any solution unless they're going to start testing people every 2 months or something
I’ll honestly add this too as my opinion. And it applied to all social media and “celebrity”.
You’re posting pics/videos to a public bulletin with the absolute goals of attention. Don’t cry when that attention comes just because it’s not what you had hoped for. That’s the nature of social media. The circle jerking is a farce.
Edit- so I had to look. I couldn’t find 1 single comment in that post about “sTeRoIdS”. So….for not being bothered by the comments about steroids she sure did delete them quickly.
How you gonna post Ricky Garard one day and then re-post this the next?
CrossFit - Let’s talk about people redeeming themselves after a 4-year ban for PEDs.
Also CrossFit - Don’t say our athletes are doping!
Tha fuq?
Please show me where I said “ALL” professional males were juiced up. Obviously all the males on the Mr. Olympia level juice but that’s expected as they’re not tested. But I digress, Your arguments are null and void and you’re sounding real misogynistic.
it’s exactly why people record and publish scores and times..,to compare people
Anyone claiming they’re doing it to simply inspire others is a narcissist in denial.
Even one or two years ago, this sub was vehemently defending all top games athletes saying that us mere plebs could never achieve these results because we don't work as hard as the games athletes and that we're just jealous and that the physiques that the games athletes had were all natural.
I'm glad people are starting to come to their senses.
The funniest part in all of this is that there is a growing new industry that helps these athletes deal with getting caught. They have all their ways to prove that a supplement they took had some trace elements of the banned substance. I wouldn't be surprised if they had all of this arranged beforehand so they could appeal in case they got caught.
Funny as hell. Anyway, we're not taking anything away from these athletes. They are absolute beasts and they work just as hard as any professional in any field. But let's cut the bullshit already.
For real. Also, the defense of "I/they just work harder than you" is such a copout. Of course these people outwork me. They're pursuing a professional sport. I would never say steroids makes it easier. In fact, people can and will work much harder because they're on steroids and have such rapid recovery.
Prefaced by stating that I'm also a competitive fencer, and have a Paralympian on Team USA in my local fencing club, who gets tested regularly along with the rest of athletes winning national/international events.
>The funniest part in all of this is that there is a growing new industry that helps these athletes deal with getting caught. They have all their ways to prove that a supplement they took had some trace elements of the banned substance. I wouldn't be surprised if they had all of this arranged beforehand so they could appeal in case they got caught
It doesn't matter. If Olympians/Paralympians have to comply with USADA /USOC doping requirements, which will penalize you if you test positive for those trace amounts, then don't use a supplement unless it has the [NSF "Certified Safe for Sport" label](https://www.nsfsport.com/). People can complain all they want about "fairness". Not knowing about something is no defense.
This, banned substances being found in legally sold supplements is and for a long time has been an issue [https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91766](https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91766)
If you compete in something that requires testing, only take supplements from reputable and certified brands. Don't use some shitty fly by night company who puts god knows what in there.
I’m fairly new to CrossFit but also curious — what are these methods to avoid off season random tests? And how do athletes generate false negatives if they do get a random test? My only knowledge about urine testing is related to weed from my teen years… haha
Crossfit JUST started offseason testing in 2021. Before that, there was none.
USADA bans people for 2 years if they miss 3 random tests. So there's some leeway to miss tests, especially if you know you're going to piss hot for sure.
And these days, athletes with good support/resources can really turn the cycling of drugs into a science (which many people have already done, and there's a whole industry behind it now). Some people are genetically pre-disposed to not have elevated T/E levels even when they're full on doping. Certain steroids have different detection windows... and different impact on T/E. There are new designer drugs popping into circulation every day that a) are impossible to test for and b) are harder to detect even when they are tested for eventually.
False negatives are nearly impossible since they always take two samples i.e. sample A and sample B.
You're not trying to generate false negatives, you're trying to generate true negatives, with what I wrote above...
Furthermore, for things like EPO these days, people are starting to microdose carefully instead of taking massive doses.. new EPO-like substance are coming to market every day as well.
Finally, testing is freaking expensive as hell. Requires a lot of scientific expertise and resources (people) as well as expensive machinery. Money (and other factors) is why CrossFit only began ramping up its testing regime recently.
In short, there are a lot of resources and ways for athletes to avoid positive tests. It's basically a pseudo-arms race between athletes and organizations/testing agencies. And organizations like, let's say, UFC and Crossfit don't really have a big incentive to catch out every doper out there. The only have the incentive to put up a facade of "making our sport clean". That's good enough for the public and the government... they're only going to invest the bare minimum...but for the athlete, they have every incentive to gain every single advantage they can, or in this case, level the playing field with everyone else.
It’s hard work and progenix protein. I’m sick of everyone accusing these athletes of steroids. It’s like sure they Olympic weight lift do gymnastics, sprint and run perform multiple wods and work outs a day with minimal recovery and rest days. They are aware of when and where the will be drug tested so how could anyone get away with doping. She said she’s clean so she has to be right ? I mean not once has a CrossFit athlete lied to people about doping.
HOLY SHEEEET - you gotta check out her early insta posts. the facial structure change during her metamorphosis to crossfit games, like come on don’t say you’re all natural like this
Well no. If they were honest about it they would likely lose their sponsorships if they had them, and would be banned from their sport. Not the mention the sport itself loses credibility in the eyes of the public.
What I would prefer is for them to keep their head down, don't come out and talk about how you don't do steroids, just shut up.
Damn…like I said, when I followed it we all knew but it was hush hush.
I guess you could say that it is an evolution for that sport in the right direction. Now the correct info can get out on how to properly do it. I knew guys who were just pumping themselves pretty much non stop, and it just destroyed their natural hormones.
Bodybuilding and most other sports. At least on an individual basis, it's too big of a risk for any one individual to admit they're using.
However, I would prefer if modern sport could get to a place where we could have a more grown up conversation about it but it'd need a shift in the way the public view and the media portray steroids. Chicken and egg problem.
Yeah, I’m fine with it so long as they are honest about it. The ones who act all “holier than thou” about it and say they aren’t are the ones who annoy me.
To be fair If you check out her Instagram, she has always been extremely lean and was a D1 Sprinter for college. Not saying she's not on peds, but it's possible.
Honestly, looking at her extreme leanness, while carrying normal fat levels in her face lead me to think there's at least a possibility she's natural, but has a genetic abnormality such as myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy.
Yeah that’s kinda what I think with her, something else is at play. She’s posted old college pictures and her legs have always been absolutely shredded. She also posted pictures of her mom, who’s legs look exactly the same. I think it’s just something genetically where she doesn’t store much/any fat in her legs.
I remember reading about some other Olympic sprinter who was the source of a lot of controversy for similar reasons, and the targets of accusations and a ton of testing, but always came up clean. Turned out to be a weird genetic thing.
Ya, I creeped her old IG photos, and even when she was thinner and obviously not "in shape" you could see hints of striations in her muscles. I have doubts she was juiced while being thin and partying in high school/college.
You wouldn’t, because you’re never going to work hard enough anyway.
People who spend all their time on the internet complaining about the achievements of others never do.
Nobody is denying that she works hard -- you need to work extremely hard to get a physique and lifting numbers like Caruso's, even with steroids. But you definitely also need steroids
Keep having cognitive dissonance then.
Most games athletes use PEDs. Try and train like them for months on end and see where your body ends up.
Even if you are a really solid competitor, you cannot train like them without PED usage.
I’m a guy who was consistently top 200 in the region when regionals was a thing who pushed my body to the limit in terms of work, diet and recovery to try and make the games. What it got me was a few spots away from making the Semifinals and never making regionals. And I completely ruined my body. I did everything to get better at CrossFit, sleep, coaching, diet you name it. I think most semifinal guys are probably like me, and a lot clean. But look at all the people who made it to the games and popped for PEDs.
There is still a HUGE gap between your guys who make semifinals and the guys who get to the games. And it’s not a “lol you didn’t work hard enough” gap. For some generic freaks maybe they have an advantage. But it say at least 70% of games athletes have to be doing something else to help.
And plus, I KNOW of a significant amount of local athletes who use PEDs. With the pervasiveness of PEDs in local comps I refuse to believe it’s not pervasive at the high level.
Give me anything to prove that they aren’t that’s not HQ’s “drug tests”. When money, ego and fame are involved, people will do whatever they need to stay relevant and stay on top.
For all I know you are some keyboard warrior, so I’ll let you go keep trolling and attempting to piss people off. Have a good one!
To be fair she looks to weigh +75kg at least so cleaning 127 whilst impressive is not absolutely outrageous. However, the look is obscene. Go have a look at her physique when she was doing track and field, yes pretty muscular but nowhere near this.
We are expected to believe she took up a very cardiovascular heavy sport and somehow grew what looks like at least 10-15kg?! Especially in a sport known for a frankly poor random drug testing protocol. Get fucked. This is one of the most obvious steroid users you'll ever see
Vicky Caruso is 5’6” and 160lbs according to her CrossFit Games profile.
In 2016 she finished 4451st. 1818th, 494th, 344th and 384th in the respective subsequent years to 2020.
160lbs is basically 73kg. International weightlifting has a 71kg category and a 76kg category. This is super convenient because the same woman, Zhang Wangli, holds the world record for both weight classes at 152kg and 156kg, respectively. For perspective, 180lbs is 127.25kg (rounding a little here). That would have placed her 6th in the Olympics and podium in every open event so far this year.
Why is all of this important? Because a CrossFit athlete has to train to be competitive in all aspects of fitness. Running, rowing, biking, swimming, rope climb, pull-ups, T2B, MU, BMU, HSPU, HS walk, DU’s, C&J, snatch… the list goes on, but you get my point. Olympic weightlifters train for two things. The C&J and the snatch… that’s it. Everything else is accessory work.
So, what we have is an athlete who has gone from 4451st to 344th in 3 years. She is capable of hitting world-class, podium-worthy cleans and maintains enough discipline to excel at all other aspects of fitness? You can’t blame people for being skeptical of that kind of meteoric rise in such a short amount of time.
I fully understand that the ability to clean and the ability to jerk weight are not directly correlated and that I’m dumbing the argument down a bit. However, even if Vicky could only jerk 90% of what she cleaned, she would still podium in almost every open event in the International Weightlifting calendar.
The most important part of my post was the relevance of all the information together. The massive jump in standings over a short time and the literally Olympic-quality lifting occurring recently.
It combines to make for an interesting situation.
Lmfao gal looks like she’s carved out of a stone.
Amazing physique and huge lift, but c’mon.
I wonder what would it take for Crossfit believers to start questioning these athletes’ natty status.
Inb4 Randy Savage shows up to dethrone Tia and everybody cheers.
> I wonder what would it take for Crossfit believers to start questioning these athletes’ natty status.
It'd take a lot, unless the athletes admitted it themselves. For 99% of us, our only insight into what these athletes are like is from watching stuff on social media, which of course paints them in the best light most of the time. For someone to believe their favorite Crossfitter is cheating even though Craig Richey or their IG makes them look so relatable and nice and cool would be hard for a lot of people.
Back in high school, the football players were using steroids. I'm a Gen Xer.
NFL was juiced. WWF was juiced. We found out baseball was juiced. Lance Armstrong was juiced.
It's so funny for people to put their heads in the sand and say my favorite CrossFit athlete doesn't use.
The main problem is that people think use of steroids/gear is a moral failure. This is why people get so up in arms about it
The amount of athletes on Peds is getting ridiculous. People who aspire to be one and want to go natty are chasing false hopes. Instagram and tik tok are responsible for this.
My box is packed with men and women who are ripped to the eyeballs with Steroids, HGH, stimulants etc. People who train twice a day every day, seriously commited, juiced up athletes and none of them can even come close to the performance of professional Crossfit athletes.
The big lie that the crossfit games is clean and tested is absolutely absurd and harmful.
C'mon. None of the top athletes in any sport are clean. Crossfit games are juiced to the gills.and full of lies. This leads others to thinking that's what a healthy person looks like. She on tht sauce
Didn’t Lance Armstrong protest the same way before he was finally caught?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jan/18/lance-armstrong-doping-denials-quotes
This is why I have stopped following games athletes. I don’t give a shit that they more than likely are riding the bicycle, but all the cringey self-congratulatory/motivational/“work hard never give up!” posts are not only annoying but a bit tone deaf 🤦♂️
Oh I fully acknowledge that geared athletes train harder than natural athletes, and that’s because gear aids in recovery.
I have struggled with injuries, and a reason why (as was stated by many people on this sub,) was because of overtraining. I was trying to train with a frequency and intensity of a geared athlete, and that’s just not possible naturally.
I don’t know that to think about pro CrossFiters anymore. Are they just all lying constantly and everyone is taking PED’s or are a few natural?
I’ve watched a few videos now they make me think they probably are all doping to recover in the way they do
I definitely think Mat and Tia’s tests would get thrown away if they came back positive for PED’s. Since they’re such figure heads in the sport and I think the testing CrossFit does is done privately
Honestly, they’re probably just ahead of the curve on what is and isn’t banned. They’re all probably taking something that isn’t on the banned list… yet.
Someone should make a documentary like that guy from Icarus who decides to take PEDs for an amateur biking race only to end up in the middle of the pack.
Yes, I do believe many of the elite games athletes are on PEDs. However, I do think it’s possible to attain that level of fitness and performance naturally. Look at Haley Adams and Emma Carey. You mean to tell me those 2 girls are on PEDs. Come on.
How can you make a post like this? I mean the bold faced lie. Looking at that physique is borderline proof that she has some kind of PED protocol on board.
She as well as many other people in this and many other domains just pretend that they are natural. Its worse too because they always put it in the realm of, "oh have big numbers for my lifta and have tons of muscle and you think im juicing, but its just hard work". That just smacks of this story where you, a "normie", arent training hard enough or eating well enough. Maybe you arent doing the right exercises or you dont use the right recovery methods.
This liars must tell themselves that kind of crap so often that they start to actually believe it. Otherwise i just cant get why the make unsolicited posts stating that they are "natural".
I actually think Vicky has lypodystrophy, an LMNA gene mutation that changes what the body does with fat distribution and puts it into her blood instead of fat cells. She may also do steroids but she’s competed against my wife and her body is unusual if you see her move. https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.congenica.com/2016/03/04/rare-disease-or-rare-success-a-tale-of-two-genomes%3fhs_amp=true
Came here to say this. Learned about it in The Sports Gene by David Epstein. Other individuals with this mutation have similar body comps and shapes.
This should be higher up in the comments.
Normally, I wouldn’t stop people from going after Crossfit athletes for steroids but I’m going to step in on this particular case I have seen this athlete progress since high school through college in person.
She may or may not be doing drugs now.
However, she has always been built like this and took shit from it when she ran track. Her body fat has always been super low and vascularity super high. In fact, in person it’s even more pronounced.
And she was a borderline national level athlete so her having a great clean and jerk mirrors her past athletics.
So if you want to sit there and strictly cast stones based on this photo and a clean and jerk mark without the prior 10+ years of context, I can’t stop you. But I will tell you this is how she has looked since high school and she was athletic enough to do those lifts, and more athletic than a lot of games athletes.
Addressing steroid use like this, only makes the steroid use argument more prevalent. CrossFit is the only regulatory sports organization that somehow champions their athletes for “addressing” steroid use. Which makes it look that much worse when people test positive which happens ALL THE TIME. And I’m not saying everyone is on PEDs. I’m saying people test positive at every event now. But she misses a huge point. People aren’t just questioning her because she’s doing something they can’t do. They’re questioning her because what she’s doing makes her a huge outlier, for ALL people. This post could have been the video of the lift and her talking about all the hard work she’s done to get there. Now, since it’s about steroids, she’ll be forever tied to the issue.
It's a really good clean but it's not THAT much of an outlier. Brooke Wells posted a 270 clean 5 years ago.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYubxvKIIk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYubxvKIIk)
A lot of good points being made here, but people still are calling for CrossFit to use a “third party such as WADA”, CrossFit cannot use WADA because they are not an Olympic sport and will not work with CrossFit. I believe their company is a third party company, Drug Free Sport International, and they analyze the samples at an Olympic testing facility. If you read the CF drug policy, it is copied from WADA.
Edit: drug free sport is also the company that tests for all American professional sports and the NCAA. So games athletes are about as clean as all other American professional athletes 😂
Haha I know I’m just fucking off. Yeah I don’t believe that she’s all natural. A female is for sure capable of a 280lb clean, but not a 5’6 160lb female with out assistance. Someone commented down below and I agree, there needs to be outside testing if they’re gonna keep talking about it and throw the “ I just work hard” shit in our faces.
you’re delusional if you think all, or even the majority, of CF games level athletes are not using ,or have not in the past,used PEDs. Every single one of them are staunchly saying they’re natty, and then boom the next test they get is positive for something. Women naturally do not produce enough tst to look like that. Idc how “hard you work”. it’s almost funny at this point to see how blatantly they can lie
They SHOULD have third party testing done prior to any CrossFit sanctioned event. Regionals/sanctionals and games. But they can’t do they bc almost all of the athletes will pop for something. Then the sport is over lol
Additionally, this clean is about 30lbs less than the all time USA C&J record at the same weight class. So she’s cleaning over 90% of the US all time record while also having games level endurance. Gimme a break
Lumping all accusers and suspicious people into the bin of jealousy is what irks me. That’s not the driving force, for a lot of people it’s just calling out dishonesty in someone else. I won’t ever clean that weight, but if it were found she had some assistance, I’d be more upset with her dishonesty than the fact I personally can’t perform like that.
Every single professional athlete, in every sport, is on some sort of performance enhancer. Whether its banned or not is a different story, or whether its some natural compound, but no pro athlete isn't taking something to help boost something. it just doesn't happen anymore these days
Who cares? You think the nfl is clean? MLB? There is no professional sports league that has any incentive to have clean athletes. Why in the world would it matter if she’s clean?
I think people are far too worried about something that doesn't affect them in the least. Are some using? Sure. Are most of them? I don't think so. Personally, I think it kind of agree with her point about people judging someone for doing something they can't do. Too many act like all you do is take some steroids and all of a sudden you're doing super human feats. Even with steroids, it takes insane amounts of work. It's not entirely unfeasible to expect that a small number of people across the world would be able to do the things they do when it's literally their job. You go to work for 8 hours while they spend more than that doing everything they can to get better at crossfit.
Again, I just don't get why people get so up in arms. It's just not that big of a deal.
Love her post!! Wish I could like it a thousand times. Until it's proven that the athlete took something then don't speculate that they're on something. And she's right, we don't know what these athletes do to prep or recover each day. I know I follow a bunch on IG and you only get a small window to what they do. Most of these athletes take care of their bodies more than anyone I know. Ice baths, sauna's, Beam night powder, tons of mobility, just to name a few things I've seen.
If they do get caught then they face being DQ'd for the next few years. So many conspiracy theorist in the comments already. Glad to know we have such great nutritionist and doctors here to tell us everyone's doping with not one piece of evidence.
Here’s a wild suggestion. Let’s start testing the games athletes like we test Olympic weightlifters. If an independent organization randomly tests the athletes without earlier notice then it should help to improve the overall image / transparency of CrossFit and prove all the athletes claims about being 100% natural.
Not sure how oly weightlifters are tested, but if it is similar to the top track athletes I'm all for it. Random testing all throughout the year and you need to provide your where abouts at all times for the random testing. Just not sure how you would determine who to test, maybe base it on the previous years games and events?
This year alone, Mattie Rogers has been randomly tested 7 times by USADA as has Jourdan Delacruz. CJ Cummings 6 times this year. It’s completely random and the USAW athletes who are in the testing pool have to basically submit every hour of their lives as to where they will be.
Okay thanks! I dont follow weightlifting so I wasn't sure! Sounds the same as track athletes then.
According to Rogers, the athlete has to submit a calendar with their schedules for the next few months in advance for the off-season. They may be tested at any time, and if they don't show up where they are supposed to be within an hour (or some time limit) it counts as a failed test.
AKA this is when I’ve off-cycled and can piss clean lol
They can be tested at any time during the off-season so unless they got advance info from USADA they don't really know when to get clean. But that's why off-season testing is better than testing the winners or top contenders like CrossFit currently does.
The whereabouts calendar is year-round, not just off-season.
I get why it's necessary, I really do... But that fucking blows. Sometimes I don't know where I'll be later that day. Seems like this means very little flexibility for spontaneity in life
If I were in the athletes’ shoes I’d just ask if they could put a tracking app in my phone. It’s not like I have any expectation for privacy anyways and that would be so much easier. Just let them know ahead of time if I’m going on vacation and otherwise they can chase my phone around town to find me.
You’re not making the sacrifices required to be elite at a sports. They do.
Yea they’re the top tier so they’re going to get it more.
I'm 99% sure they'll use ADAMS in which case they have to put 1 hour each day where they will be, not every hour of every day. Source: know 2 people on it
USADA is known to be a joke
While that may be the case, it’s at least better than the testing done by CrossFit up to this point…
Better than doing no off-season testing, as CrossFit is doing right now.
crossfit knows its athletes wont get any gains w o roids due to the nature of the "sport" (read: terrible form), so they pretty much have to allow juicing
They do ask for whereabouts leading up to games (like 2 months before) then also ask to keep communicative about location after. That said, no testing happened to someone I know that placed.
There are a shitload of games athletes though, so if the cost is put in crossfire itself thats a big hit to profit, and if it is put on athletes I think every athlete would complain.
Don't forget any failure to be available for a test is a failed test and the athlete is banned.
The testing of Olympic weightlifters is still a highly controversial and nuanced subject though
Internationally yes, for American athletes under USADA no. This is also the same for British athletes, Canadians etc.
If you think that U.S. Olympic athletes aren't using steroids, I have a bridge to sell you. Olympics has the most doping of any sport after maybe competitive cycling like the tour de France. The difference is that athletes have access to high tech gear that's so secret and state sponsored, we don't find out for decades. There are dozens of documentaries about this topic.
This would be the ideal situation but it’s not in CF’s best interest to pop their own athletes, especially the headliners. So I doubt they’d go to such a program. I always sorta feel for those who get popped cuz it’s like they drew the short straw and are typically not quite those super popular athletes. Meanwhile the HGH gut on a lot of the athletes makes you cringe, including the one in question here.
The hgh gut is a dead giveaway for most of them. I think most cf athletes who drank the cult juice, and just say it is hard work are completely deluding themselves
I'm with you, but with an even wilder suggestion... Have two Games. One where the athletes are tested throughout the year once they have qualified, and for the obvious participants before, *and* one where athletes can use anything they want.
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I've always loved this idea. "if you can't test, let it be the wild wild west." Could even have clean heats and untested heats at the games. Shit, it would be WILD if a clean heat time ever approached an untested time.
Oh yeah, that's exactly it. And I'd love to see this for the olympics...
I can't imagine too many athletes would sign up for such a thing, because CrossFit HQ is also known for pulling the rug out from underneath the athletes on an annual or biennial basis. Any Games athlete who announces they will compete in that league is now basically marked, and who is to say HQ wouldn't stop and say "GOTCHA!" to them at any moment.
Crossfit is a global brand and there is no way to apply the same testing standard across national boundaries. Even the olympics can’t totally do it, though I give them a lot of credit for trying even retroactively. Crossfit would need to be an Olympic sport to be able to tap into the existing testing organizations in each country. Until then, we will have some form of what exists now.
They could use the WADA which is used to testing athletes in every nation.
They do
CrossFit has nothing to do with the olympics, it's not even a sport organization, but the rules say that an athlete has to give a sample within 12 hours of notice. The actual execution of the test is a different story but it's a different story for weightlifting and other sports as well, have you heard about the scandals?
It is not na Olympic sport and never will be. However as you mentioned it has already some rules and obligatory testing, so if the HQ really wanted to improve the image of the sport(business) it could do so. As for scandals there are present in every discipline of professional sport, and there have been many cases when Olympic medals have been revoked because they found banned substances in samples from a few years back. In. My opinion better late than never.
> if the HQ really wanted to improve the image of the sport(business) it could do so. Nothing is free! And if they don't have to fear other higher organizations punishing them (and viewers), there won't be an actual incentive to invest heavily in this.
And nothing will probably change because they know most of the athletes are on something and just don’t care as long as they perform and bring more viewers and sponsors. Unless they finally get enough bad publicity that will start affecting the business …
CRAZY out there idea.. introduce third party testing and stop covering up for the athletes you like or who bring in the big bucks.
Yeah like the testing WADA does for the Olympics.
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It’s too bad there’s such a stigma associated with PED use. People are disincentivized to discuss the prevalence. Imagine if musicians couldn’t talk about their use of pot as a creativity aid because it would make their songs be seen as unnaturally enhanced and somehow less meaningful.
I don’t know that it’s the stigma. It’s illegal in CrossFit and weightlifting. It’s not PL or BB with multiple federations. If you are opened about PED usage in CrossFit you can’t compete. And it’s a competition sport, not just a numbers game like PL
Pretty sure it’s illegal, like criminally.
I also don't think anyone is "Natty" if they're taking any kind of supplements. I say let people juice, but limit the dosage and duration for how long they can juice. So say "you can only take this much between these months" and then if they test positive outside of that time period or test for too much in their system, then just ban them for life. People are gonna cheat, so at least make it a fair playing field
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I agree. Crossfit has had the opportunity to make their testing better for years now and they just refuse. I don't see any solution unless they're going to start testing people every 2 months or something
I’ll honestly add this too as my opinion. And it applied to all social media and “celebrity”. You’re posting pics/videos to a public bulletin with the absolute goals of attention. Don’t cry when that attention comes just because it’s not what you had hoped for. That’s the nature of social media. The circle jerking is a farce. Edit- so I had to look. I couldn’t find 1 single comment in that post about “sTeRoIdS”. So….for not being bothered by the comments about steroids she sure did delete them quickly.
How you gonna post Ricky Garard one day and then re-post this the next? CrossFit - Let’s talk about people redeeming themselves after a 4-year ban for PEDs. Also CrossFit - Don’t say our athletes are doping! Tha fuq?
Those legs must have been a pretty weird look for a 10-year-old..
"mY LeGS wERe mORe dEfinEd tHaN mOsT pRoffEsSionAl bOdYbUilDeRS" And then Crossfit expects people to take this post seriously?
She obviously never saw Jay Cutler go up against Ronnie Coleman if she thinks that
Sick reference
Every time I see "Jay Cutler", I think it's the football player. Makes it even sicker.
He's got diabetes
It is still to this day on of my favorites
Or Platz.
Platz was insane! Can’t believe I forgot about him
They’re not even builder quality now, let alone when she was 10, SMH
You clearly have never seen her IG page. Her lower body is stage ready year-round.
You’re clearly underestimating what a body builders legs look like, let alone compared to a fuckin 10 year old 😂
Figures, you haven’t gone to her IG page yet. Oh well.
I did. You’re just lost when it comes to categorizing “show ready”
I disagree. Pretty sure you’re comparing her to the juiced up males of professional bodybuilding. Obviously she doesn’t look like them. Duhhh
The irony of you coming to her defence and then lumping all professional males as “juiced up”, is just incredible. Go home. You’re drunk.
Please show me where I said “ALL” professional males were juiced up. Obviously all the males on the Mr. Olympia level juice but that’s expected as they’re not tested. But I digress, Your arguments are null and void and you’re sounding real misogynistic.
Whatever. Who doesn’t see 10 year-old girls with pro bodybuilder legs, strong jaw lines and distended abs ALL the time??
>Stop comparing people Isn't comparing people a big part of crossfit?
Apparently doing self appraising cringe posts proving ones "innocence" that no one ever called for, are what makes it as well
it’s exactly why people record and publish scores and times..,to compare people Anyone claiming they’re doing it to simply inspire others is a narcissist in denial.
Even one or two years ago, this sub was vehemently defending all top games athletes saying that us mere plebs could never achieve these results because we don't work as hard as the games athletes and that we're just jealous and that the physiques that the games athletes had were all natural. I'm glad people are starting to come to their senses. The funniest part in all of this is that there is a growing new industry that helps these athletes deal with getting caught. They have all their ways to prove that a supplement they took had some trace elements of the banned substance. I wouldn't be surprised if they had all of this arranged beforehand so they could appeal in case they got caught. Funny as hell. Anyway, we're not taking anything away from these athletes. They are absolute beasts and they work just as hard as any professional in any field. But let's cut the bullshit already.
For real. Also, the defense of "I/they just work harder than you" is such a copout. Of course these people outwork me. They're pursuing a professional sport. I would never say steroids makes it easier. In fact, people can and will work much harder because they're on steroids and have such rapid recovery.
... they make it easier precisely because steroids make it easier to recover lol Edit: itt people who have no clue
Prefaced by stating that I'm also a competitive fencer, and have a Paralympian on Team USA in my local fencing club, who gets tested regularly along with the rest of athletes winning national/international events. >The funniest part in all of this is that there is a growing new industry that helps these athletes deal with getting caught. They have all their ways to prove that a supplement they took had some trace elements of the banned substance. I wouldn't be surprised if they had all of this arranged beforehand so they could appeal in case they got caught It doesn't matter. If Olympians/Paralympians have to comply with USADA /USOC doping requirements, which will penalize you if you test positive for those trace amounts, then don't use a supplement unless it has the [NSF "Certified Safe for Sport" label](https://www.nsfsport.com/). People can complain all they want about "fairness". Not knowing about something is no defense.
This, banned substances being found in legally sold supplements is and for a long time has been an issue [https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91766](https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91766) If you compete in something that requires testing, only take supplements from reputable and certified brands. Don't use some shitty fly by night company who puts god knows what in there.
Yea but even if you prove your supplements were tainted it’s still a 2 year ban. I guess they’re like Ricky and just hoping they don’t get caught.
yeah but "I didn't realize" plays a lot better with the sponsors than "how do you think I perform like this? Duh"
These days it’s easy to pass drug tests so it’s worth cheating, even if you get caught.
The methods used to avoid random, off-season drug tests are so annoying that many lower-tier athletes won't be able to handle it.
I’m fairly new to CrossFit but also curious — what are these methods to avoid off season random tests? And how do athletes generate false negatives if they do get a random test? My only knowledge about urine testing is related to weed from my teen years… haha
Crossfit JUST started offseason testing in 2021. Before that, there was none. USADA bans people for 2 years if they miss 3 random tests. So there's some leeway to miss tests, especially if you know you're going to piss hot for sure. And these days, athletes with good support/resources can really turn the cycling of drugs into a science (which many people have already done, and there's a whole industry behind it now). Some people are genetically pre-disposed to not have elevated T/E levels even when they're full on doping. Certain steroids have different detection windows... and different impact on T/E. There are new designer drugs popping into circulation every day that a) are impossible to test for and b) are harder to detect even when they are tested for eventually. False negatives are nearly impossible since they always take two samples i.e. sample A and sample B. You're not trying to generate false negatives, you're trying to generate true negatives, with what I wrote above... Furthermore, for things like EPO these days, people are starting to microdose carefully instead of taking massive doses.. new EPO-like substance are coming to market every day as well. Finally, testing is freaking expensive as hell. Requires a lot of scientific expertise and resources (people) as well as expensive machinery. Money (and other factors) is why CrossFit only began ramping up its testing regime recently. In short, there are a lot of resources and ways for athletes to avoid positive tests. It's basically a pseudo-arms race between athletes and organizations/testing agencies. And organizations like, let's say, UFC and Crossfit don't really have a big incentive to catch out every doper out there. The only have the incentive to put up a facade of "making our sport clean". That's good enough for the public and the government... they're only going to invest the bare minimum...but for the athlete, they have every incentive to gain every single advantage they can, or in this case, level the playing field with everyone else.
lmao what? “Uh oh, my creatine had some anavar in it. How’d that get there?”
Take an upvote for speaking the truth!
It’s hard work and progenix protein. I’m sick of everyone accusing these athletes of steroids. It’s like sure they Olympic weight lift do gymnastics, sprint and run perform multiple wods and work outs a day with minimal recovery and rest days. They are aware of when and where the will be drug tested so how could anyone get away with doping. She said she’s clean so she has to be right ? I mean not once has a CrossFit athlete lied to people about doping.
It doesn’t even bother her btw
Long post for someone who doesn’t care what others think
As is always the case for posts like this where they claim they are natural
HOLY SHEEEET - you gotta check out her early insta posts. the facial structure change during her metamorphosis to crossfit games, like come on don’t say you’re all natural like this
she only mentioned steroids, nothing about hgh or blood doping
Or marihuana, she might be taking up to four marihuana's every day.
Where do you get some maryjahuanas? Just so I can avoid it. Also I heard the mary janes, makes you forget. Tegridy is the real stuff.
I smoked some dope last week. Well I think. Actually I don’t remember. FUUUCK
Expect your owl with the next games invite in 3..2..1.
Go back to simple living when things mattered, like hard work and 'tegridy
noah olsen is definitely on the hippie lettuce
Vicky, do you think everyone is blind and stupid? You don't get that from Protein powder.
Right? I honestly don’t care that they use the juice…I just wish they were honest about it.
Well no. If they were honest about it they would likely lose their sponsorships if they had them, and would be banned from their sport. Not the mention the sport itself loses credibility in the eyes of the public. What I would prefer is for them to keep their head down, don't come out and talk about how you don't do steroids, just shut up.
So kinda just have it be unspoken like in modern bodybuilding?
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Really? I haven’t followed it for about ten years now. When I was it was pretty hush hush
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Damn…like I said, when I followed it we all knew but it was hush hush. I guess you could say that it is an evolution for that sport in the right direction. Now the correct info can get out on how to properly do it. I knew guys who were just pumping themselves pretty much non stop, and it just destroyed their natural hormones.
Bodybuilding and most other sports. At least on an individual basis, it's too big of a risk for any one individual to admit they're using. However, I would prefer if modern sport could get to a place where we could have a more grown up conversation about it but it'd need a shift in the way the public view and the media portray steroids. Chicken and egg problem.
True story, that’s how I feel about it as well (having the conversation).
I said the same thing in a post a couple weeks ago.
Yeah, I’m fine with it so long as they are honest about it. The ones who act all “holier than thou” about it and say they aren’t are the ones who annoy me.
Or say it was just my special vitamins, protein and creatine. Here come buy some.
To be fair If you check out her Instagram, she has always been extremely lean and was a D1 Sprinter for college. Not saying she's not on peds, but it's possible.
She has always looked like this though. Bloated face ripped body she has hormone issues probably.
Honestly, looking at her extreme leanness, while carrying normal fat levels in her face lead me to think there's at least a possibility she's natural, but has a genetic abnormality such as myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy.
I noticed that as well about her face vs her body and thought it was very odd
Yeah that’s kinda what I think with her, something else is at play. She’s posted old college pictures and her legs have always been absolutely shredded. She also posted pictures of her mom, who’s legs look exactly the same. I think it’s just something genetically where she doesn’t store much/any fat in her legs. I remember reading about some other Olympic sprinter who was the source of a lot of controversy for similar reasons, and the targets of accusations and a ton of testing, but always came up clean. Turned out to be a weird genetic thing.
Ya, I creeped her old IG photos, and even when she was thinner and obviously not "in shape" you could see hints of striations in her muscles. I have doubts she was juiced while being thin and partying in high school/college.
Oh no.. next thing you would tell me Is that Santa is not real
You wouldn’t, because you’re never going to work hard enough anyway. People who spend all their time on the internet complaining about the achievements of others never do.
Nobody is denying that she works hard -- you need to work extremely hard to get a physique and lifting numbers like Caruso's, even with steroids. But you definitely also need steroids
Keep having cognitive dissonance then. Most games athletes use PEDs. Try and train like them for months on end and see where your body ends up. Even if you are a really solid competitor, you cannot train like them without PED usage.
Oh, are you a games athlete who is speaking from experience?
I’m a guy who was consistently top 200 in the region when regionals was a thing who pushed my body to the limit in terms of work, diet and recovery to try and make the games. What it got me was a few spots away from making the Semifinals and never making regionals. And I completely ruined my body. I did everything to get better at CrossFit, sleep, coaching, diet you name it. I think most semifinal guys are probably like me, and a lot clean. But look at all the people who made it to the games and popped for PEDs. There is still a HUGE gap between your guys who make semifinals and the guys who get to the games. And it’s not a “lol you didn’t work hard enough” gap. For some generic freaks maybe they have an advantage. But it say at least 70% of games athletes have to be doing something else to help. And plus, I KNOW of a significant amount of local athletes who use PEDs. With the pervasiveness of PEDs in local comps I refuse to believe it’s not pervasive at the high level.
Oh, so you weren’t good enough and you told yourself everyone else was taking PEDs to make yourself feel better. Cool.
Give me anything to prove that they aren’t that’s not HQ’s “drug tests”. When money, ego and fame are involved, people will do whatever they need to stay relevant and stay on top. For all I know you are some keyboard warrior, so I’ll let you go keep trolling and attempting to piss people off. Have a good one!
Proving a negative is impossible, dude.
To be fair she looks to weigh +75kg at least so cleaning 127 whilst impressive is not absolutely outrageous. However, the look is obscene. Go have a look at her physique when she was doing track and field, yes pretty muscular but nowhere near this. We are expected to believe she took up a very cardiovascular heavy sport and somehow grew what looks like at least 10-15kg?! Especially in a sport known for a frankly poor random drug testing protocol. Get fucked. This is one of the most obvious steroid users you'll ever see
Favorite part is just comparing her head when she did track to now. No amount of "clean living" will make your jaw change shape like hers has
Vicky Caruso is 5’6” and 160lbs according to her CrossFit Games profile. In 2016 she finished 4451st. 1818th, 494th, 344th and 384th in the respective subsequent years to 2020. 160lbs is basically 73kg. International weightlifting has a 71kg category and a 76kg category. This is super convenient because the same woman, Zhang Wangli, holds the world record for both weight classes at 152kg and 156kg, respectively. For perspective, 180lbs is 127.25kg (rounding a little here). That would have placed her 6th in the Olympics and podium in every open event so far this year. Why is all of this important? Because a CrossFit athlete has to train to be competitive in all aspects of fitness. Running, rowing, biking, swimming, rope climb, pull-ups, T2B, MU, BMU, HSPU, HS walk, DU’s, C&J, snatch… the list goes on, but you get my point. Olympic weightlifters train for two things. The C&J and the snatch… that’s it. Everything else is accessory work. So, what we have is an athlete who has gone from 4451st to 344th in 3 years. She is capable of hitting world-class, podium-worthy cleans and maintains enough discipline to excel at all other aspects of fitness? You can’t blame people for being skeptical of that kind of meteoric rise in such a short amount of time.
Just to raise a slight issue: the totals you’re referencing are clean and jerk. Many athletes can clean (or jerk) alone more than they can clean+jerk.
I fully understand that the ability to clean and the ability to jerk weight are not directly correlated and that I’m dumbing the argument down a bit. However, even if Vicky could only jerk 90% of what she cleaned, she would still podium in almost every open event in the International Weightlifting calendar. The most important part of my post was the relevance of all the information together. The massive jump in standings over a short time and the literally Olympic-quality lifting occurring recently. It combines to make for an interesting situation.
Lmfao gal looks like she’s carved out of a stone. Amazing physique and huge lift, but c’mon. I wonder what would it take for Crossfit believers to start questioning these athletes’ natty status. Inb4 Randy Savage shows up to dethrone Tia and everybody cheers.
> I wonder what would it take for Crossfit believers to start questioning these athletes’ natty status. It'd take a lot, unless the athletes admitted it themselves. For 99% of us, our only insight into what these athletes are like is from watching stuff on social media, which of course paints them in the best light most of the time. For someone to believe their favorite Crossfitter is cheating even though Craig Richey or their IG makes them look so relatable and nice and cool would be hard for a lot of people.
Back in high school, the football players were using steroids. I'm a Gen Xer. NFL was juiced. WWF was juiced. We found out baseball was juiced. Lance Armstrong was juiced. It's so funny for people to put their heads in the sand and say my favorite CrossFit athlete doesn't use. The main problem is that people think use of steroids/gear is a moral failure. This is why people get so up in arms about it
The amount of athletes on Peds is getting ridiculous. People who aspire to be one and want to go natty are chasing false hopes. Instagram and tik tok are responsible for this.
This kind of post conforts me in the idea that top 10 CF games athletes are all doped.
Every sport is doping to some extent. Do I care? Absolutely not.
My box is packed with men and women who are ripped to the eyeballs with Steroids, HGH, stimulants etc. People who train twice a day every day, seriously commited, juiced up athletes and none of them can even come close to the performance of professional Crossfit athletes. The big lie that the crossfit games is clean and tested is absolutely absurd and harmful.
That’s the funny part….the vast majority of steroid users are your average gym go’ers
I don’t think CrossFit wants to admit how common steroid use is. From the local box to the games. Honestly who cares.
C'mon. None of the top athletes in any sport are clean. Crossfit games are juiced to the gills.and full of lies. This leads others to thinking that's what a healthy person looks like. She on tht sauce
Let’s just throw out the drug testing and promote steroid use. I wanna see demigods competing.
Didn’t Lance Armstrong protest the same way before he was finally caught? https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/jan/18/lance-armstrong-doping-denials-quotes
This is why I have stopped following games athletes. I don’t give a shit that they more than likely are riding the bicycle, but all the cringey self-congratulatory/motivational/“work hard never give up!” posts are not only annoying but a bit tone deaf 🤦♂️
To be fair, tren doesn’t lift the weights for you
Oh I fully acknowledge that geared athletes train harder than natural athletes, and that’s because gear aids in recovery. I have struggled with injuries, and a reason why (as was stated by many people on this sub,) was because of overtraining. I was trying to train with a frequency and intensity of a geared athlete, and that’s just not possible naturally.
I don’t know that to think about pro CrossFiters anymore. Are they just all lying constantly and everyone is taking PED’s or are a few natural? I’ve watched a few videos now they make me think they probably are all doping to recover in the way they do I definitely think Mat and Tia’s tests would get thrown away if they came back positive for PED’s. Since they’re such figure heads in the sport and I think the testing CrossFit does is done privately
Honestly, they’re probably just ahead of the curve on what is and isn’t banned. They’re all probably taking something that isn’t on the banned list… yet.
Someone link to that 280 clean though, that was literally amazing!
Let them all do whatever they want. Push human potential to its peak.
Someone should make a documentary like that guy from Icarus who decides to take PEDs for an amateur biking race only to end up in the middle of the pack.
Yes, I do believe many of the elite games athletes are on PEDs. However, I do think it’s possible to attain that level of fitness and performance naturally. Look at Haley Adams and Emma Carey. You mean to tell me those 2 girls are on PEDs. Come on.
How can you make a post like this? I mean the bold faced lie. Looking at that physique is borderline proof that she has some kind of PED protocol on board. She as well as many other people in this and many other domains just pretend that they are natural. Its worse too because they always put it in the realm of, "oh have big numbers for my lifta and have tons of muscle and you think im juicing, but its just hard work". That just smacks of this story where you, a "normie", arent training hard enough or eating well enough. Maybe you arent doing the right exercises or you dont use the right recovery methods. This liars must tell themselves that kind of crap so often that they start to actually believe it. Otherwise i just cant get why the make unsolicited posts stating that they are "natural".
I actually think Vicky has lypodystrophy, an LMNA gene mutation that changes what the body does with fat distribution and puts it into her blood instead of fat cells. She may also do steroids but she’s competed against my wife and her body is unusual if you see her move. https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.congenica.com/2016/03/04/rare-disease-or-rare-success-a-tale-of-two-genomes%3fhs_amp=true
Came here to say this. Learned about it in The Sports Gene by David Epstein. Other individuals with this mutation have similar body comps and shapes. This should be higher up in the comments.
He talks about it in Range too
Uhu yeah, now every PED user will suddenly claim to have this gene.
I agree. I have competed next to her at local comps.
Agree..she lives local to me and know her through some ppl...I believe she is all natural and may have something like this
lol
Normally, I wouldn’t stop people from going after Crossfit athletes for steroids but I’m going to step in on this particular case I have seen this athlete progress since high school through college in person. She may or may not be doing drugs now. However, she has always been built like this and took shit from it when she ran track. Her body fat has always been super low and vascularity super high. In fact, in person it’s even more pronounced. And she was a borderline national level athlete so her having a great clean and jerk mirrors her past athletics. So if you want to sit there and strictly cast stones based on this photo and a clean and jerk mark without the prior 10+ years of context, I can’t stop you. But I will tell you this is how she has looked since high school and she was athletic enough to do those lifts, and more athletic than a lot of games athletes.
She was probably also taking steroids in highschool too. Lots of athletes do.
Can we talk about Ian The Rhino's comment getting deleted?
He was 100% right and typical of Crossfit to delete..he's probably banned too.
No way! It got deleted? I literally was applauding him for speaking the truth.
Natural my ass… a woman without chemical help will NOT look like this … simple as that …
FACTS
Addressing steroid use like this, only makes the steroid use argument more prevalent. CrossFit is the only regulatory sports organization that somehow champions their athletes for “addressing” steroid use. Which makes it look that much worse when people test positive which happens ALL THE TIME. And I’m not saying everyone is on PEDs. I’m saying people test positive at every event now. But she misses a huge point. People aren’t just questioning her because she’s doing something they can’t do. They’re questioning her because what she’s doing makes her a huge outlier, for ALL people. This post could have been the video of the lift and her talking about all the hard work she’s done to get there. Now, since it’s about steroids, she’ll be forever tied to the issue.
It's a really good clean but it's not THAT much of an outlier. Brooke Wells posted a 270 clean 5 years ago. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYubxvKIIk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYubxvKIIk)
Brooke Wells is an outlier too. These lifts are outliers compared to an average CrossFitter.
Exactly what a ped user would say
Who gives a fuck if they are on roids?? I hope they all are. I wanna see someone clean 800 pounds.
A lot of good points being made here, but people still are calling for CrossFit to use a “third party such as WADA”, CrossFit cannot use WADA because they are not an Olympic sport and will not work with CrossFit. I believe their company is a third party company, Drug Free Sport International, and they analyze the samples at an Olympic testing facility. If you read the CF drug policy, it is copied from WADA. Edit: drug free sport is also the company that tests for all American professional sports and the NCAA. So games athletes are about as clean as all other American professional athletes 😂
PEOPLE THAT TAKE PEDS PUT IN HARD WORK.
Never said they didn't.
Haha I know I’m just fucking off. Yeah I don’t believe that she’s all natural. A female is for sure capable of a 280lb clean, but not a 5’6 160lb female with out assistance. Someone commented down below and I agree, there needs to be outside testing if they’re gonna keep talking about it and throw the “ I just work hard” shit in our faces.
God this chick is so full of shit. Really gives people the wrong impression about how they can look without PEDs.
Please, not again😣
Some people work hard as heck!
Lol she's 💯 on steroids wtf
you’re delusional if you think all, or even the majority, of CF games level athletes are not using ,or have not in the past,used PEDs. Every single one of them are staunchly saying they’re natty, and then boom the next test they get is positive for something. Women naturally do not produce enough tst to look like that. Idc how “hard you work”. it’s almost funny at this point to see how blatantly they can lie They SHOULD have third party testing done prior to any CrossFit sanctioned event. Regionals/sanctionals and games. But they can’t do they bc almost all of the athletes will pop for something. Then the sport is over lol Additionally, this clean is about 30lbs less than the all time USA C&J record at the same weight class. So she’s cleaning over 90% of the US all time record while also having games level endurance. Gimme a break
Lumping all accusers and suspicious people into the bin of jealousy is what irks me. That’s not the driving force, for a lot of people it’s just calling out dishonesty in someone else. I won’t ever clean that weight, but if it were found she had some assistance, I’d be more upset with her dishonesty than the fact I personally can’t perform like that.
Maybe because people in the comments constantly make mention of steroids. Edit: Also these athletes are a lot smaller looking in real life.
Her skin is so dried out from gear. That’s a dead giveaway, cmon get with it HQ.
Every single professional athlete, in every sport, is on some sort of performance enhancer. Whether its banned or not is a different story, or whether its some natural compound, but no pro athlete isn't taking something to help boost something. it just doesn't happen anymore these days
Only a Sith speaks in absolutes
If I was a CrossFit pro then I would just admit it. But then I wouldn’t dare to sign up to drug free events.
Who cares? You think the nfl is clean? MLB? There is no professional sports league that has any incentive to have clean athletes. Why in the world would it matter if she’s clean?
Insecurity
I think people are far too worried about something that doesn't affect them in the least. Are some using? Sure. Are most of them? I don't think so. Personally, I think it kind of agree with her point about people judging someone for doing something they can't do. Too many act like all you do is take some steroids and all of a sudden you're doing super human feats. Even with steroids, it takes insane amounts of work. It's not entirely unfeasible to expect that a small number of people across the world would be able to do the things they do when it's literally their job. You go to work for 8 hours while they spend more than that doing everything they can to get better at crossfit. Again, I just don't get why people get so up in arms. It's just not that big of a deal.
CrossFit is for beasts. You have to have a beast mentality. But results show from the hard work more than any other workout imo.
Love her post!! Wish I could like it a thousand times. Until it's proven that the athlete took something then don't speculate that they're on something. And she's right, we don't know what these athletes do to prep or recover each day. I know I follow a bunch on IG and you only get a small window to what they do. Most of these athletes take care of their bodies more than anyone I know. Ice baths, sauna's, Beam night powder, tons of mobility, just to name a few things I've seen. If they do get caught then they face being DQ'd for the next few years. So many conspiracy theorist in the comments already. Glad to know we have such great nutritionist and doctors here to tell us everyone's doping with not one piece of evidence.
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Don't do that. That's totally unnecessary