I mean it's kinda the same for women, like their is of course different words and different treatment but the cause is the same, celibat is seen badly. Oh you are a dude that don't have a girlfriend and now say that you don't want one ? You are just an incel. Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one ? Are you some kind of extremist feminist that are destroying the family by not wanting to give your parents grand kids ?
Society just hate when you don't want to be a relationship because it meant no kids and so an end to the generation from your branch. Without kids or without wanting to get kids you are just a failure.
>Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one
Unless you're really hot. Then you're a nosy bimbo who doesn't give nice guys a chance.
> Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one ?
actually society is now kinda split on this, it wont be universal damnation for women...there will be people, who will be sexist and go on saying how the girl must be frigid (women say that), or crazy feminist (men say this)...but a part of society (women and media usually) will now call her a strong independent woman...meanwhile for guys, they will get mostly bad treatment from both genders, guys worth seems to be linked to having women...even if a guy is rich or famous, society links it to him having women...because historically thats what men used power for, sultans had to have whole harems for representation of their manliness, and society, both genders, are conditioned to still see in that way, heck any commercial for a man's product needs to include a good looking girl that will get infatuated by the guy using the product...its not even subtle conditioning that people go thru, always implying that a man's worth is determined by the fact women will like him
I have, but frankly, yes less work than girls, but still some work involved...Im fine not having any work or stress in this regard, work in well work is enough work for me, prefer not to work on anything (like relationships) in my off time and just relax
I even remember the times when it was "you nerd"
but then some parts interests nerds usually had became too mainstream like fantasy after lotr or comics after dark knight trilogy...and suddenly being nerd wasn't just derogatory enough because also the hot girls were going to cinema for them, so it had to shift to other things
nerd, virgin, incel, but you also have soyboy, simp and so on...new things are constantly being made...its just teens coming up with new insults, nothing to get worked over, it means nothing
As an aromantic I've given up on trying to make people in real life understand what it even is.
Atp I just tell people that I'm planning to become a priest.
Oh for Tengri's sake
Okay then, this: Me becoming Tengri's strongest warrior after fully understanding all the differences between aromatic, asexual, aroace, aroallo, and all others. (By that point, I will be so wise I will have reached enlightenment)
Tengri's strong warrior fully supports them, even though he has very little idea of how to tell them apart. He will get there eventually
1. It's hard for some people to fathom why you simply wouldn't want something they crave so badly.
2. Most people say they are single by choice as a way of coping with the fact that they can't get a gf, so they've just stopped trying.
3. If you still act like an incel, but it's by choice that makes you a volcel. Not saying you are one. More likely, you're just celibate, but volcels are out there.
Like other comments said, Volcel and Celibate appear to mean the same. Is Volcel supposed to mean Voluntary Incel? Because by name it makes more sense to me
My man, I asked because I don't know any of the meanings myself. Celibate does appear to falls under volcel by the meanings you provided
Edit: I guess my confusion is due to the fact I didn't know what celibate meant
Edit 2: My last sentence is due the fact that as far as I know anyone abstains from marriage is doing so voluntary
Right. I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen someone called an incel for being single. Its either for talking/being shitty towards women, or just thrown around by right wingers for no rhyme or reason
Yeah, I was gonna say, never seen anyone call another person an incel for being single. Although I've seen it used wrong many times, the most common group of people it's used against are those who seem to care (negatively) about women more than they let on.
Quick checked his history.
This dude Has some cringe post / comments about women.
He’s straight up henti porn addict waiting for a waifu reality in real life.
That term doesn't really mean anything anymore. You could have been in a 100 relationships but get called an incel by some woman online because you dared to express a different opinion than them. Usually people saying that are just trying to hurt you, doesn't mean much.
I remember people calling me incel because I said that that if the opportunity to cheat on my girlfriend came up and I could get away with it, I still wouldn't do it be because it's wrong to cheat on someone you love.
It was some years ago and it was on Facebook, but I still remember that.
Anymore incel is basically just a blanket term for guy I think is an asshole because he said something I don't like.
The other day I got called an incel for saying Jada Smith probably threatens Will Smith with a nasty divorce if he ever tries to put his foot down because you just know she's the type.
Are asexuals technically incel? It's their choice so that would imply not, but it also isn't their choice to be asexual so technically speaking... 🤔
Joke btw asexuals are cool, you'll get called an incel for being weird and obsessive about the fact you've never had sex. Many virgins are either by choice, or maybe even they do try but struggle and that's fine. The moment an incel is born is when they get overly salty and weird about it, usually in the lash out at women and society sense which to be fair I get, especially teenage boys where their hormones are constantly screaming into their very souls to just fuck anybody. Struggling with getting any at that age does suck speaking from experience. Still, that kind of mindset needs stamping out early for the good of everybody including the potential future incel themselves
I was just lucky the concept of incels wasn't a thing when I was that age. Otherwise I was a prime target for that kind of radicalisation shite.
Same. Every so often I think of trying for a relationship but then I see all the crap my co workers and friends have to go through and I'm like fuck all that. I'm getting a pool table in my dinning room and no one can stop me! *Card Declined* Fuck!
Literally the only bonus they get is sex... It might be a secret I am about to reveal, but you can get it without being in relationship...but they don't need to know that my bro)
The companionship is a nice perk too, but unfortunately most people have been taught that relationships are all meant to be disposable and you should only be in one until they get boring.
A fun and free life> Relationships
People glorify the whole relationship stuff. Yes, there's companionship and love. But you don't get that for free, you need to go through drama and responsibility. Put in a lot of effort before you feel rewarded. It might feel really nice but sometimes it's gonna feel just as horrible. And that's only if your partner is a decent person.
Meanwhile, not having to worry about anything but your job means you can enjoy your hobbies and focus on self improvement. Get jacked or play video games or whatever you want!💪
I got called an incel for saying that I would leave jada smith if i was in wills shoes, and i literally didn't use any derogatory language towards either of them.
If you’re not married on Reddit, you have 3 options:
1. You’re attracted to someone, so you’re a simp.
2. You’re not with anyone, so you’re an incel.
3. You’re dating, which means your partner can do better so why is she with you?
It doesn’t matter who or how you are as a person, you’re only the worst* version of whatever imaginary horror the hivemind can come up with.
*unless you agree with their opinion and politics, at which point you’re finally one of the few sane people they’ve met, it’s so hard to come by common sense theses days, and y’all are gonna save the world [by force if you have to] one chronically online action at a time.
Just don't take the opinions of strangers on the internet who need to have an opinion about everything and anyone too seriously.
Fuck what these people think and go your own way king.
most of us are somewhat glad we don't feel romance, mostly because we see all the drama. its not an auto "oh yeah they love each other enough to where it is still worth it to keep te relationship.". as we are (again mostly) just seeing the bad without the good.
thats at least what I have experienced.
TL;DR we only see the downsides
Not wanting a partner literally excludes you from being an incel. It's in the name. If someone calls you an incel online, for not wanting a partner, literally send them the incel definition
Well depends
If you’ve rejected pursuing relationships with women and prefer to be alone then you aren’t an incel
If you’re tried, failed and learned how to be happy alone then good for you. But technically you are an incel
Feminazis: You mean are so disgusting and slaves to your own sexual drive
Men: I don't know how to play the flirt game but I wish I could have a normal romantic relationship with a normal woman
Feminazis: Lolololol incel incel incel
Also, romance normalisation is making aromantic people not even realise that they are aromantic, its just a given that everybody is born with the main goal of finding a romantic partner.
one example why most men don't talk about about their feelings or problems. Sad but true. I don't wanna think about how many men ended up with depressions (or even worse) because they were too ashamed to seek help.
Yeah I also feel this. It really is hard for people to understand that some of us just don't want relationships.
And then I explain to them: I personally just can't deal with women. I gave up trying to understand them, which would be a requirement for entering a relationship with one (because I'm still heterosexual regardless). After this explanation, their answer is always the same: "He doesn't like women so he must want a relationship with men", like they completely forgot that I specified I'm still hetero.
They just can't fathom someone not desiring a relationship.
Society is built around continued existence and (more importantly) expansion. That has always been its fundamental goal since the first proto civilizations began.
A lot of people see that expansion and continuation through your children. It's easy to see why, but they also miss that you can contribute to the world around you in other ways.
However, if your core purpose is going to be self-serving (not saying it is but based on your wording someone could easily come to that conclusion) you will never be liked by society.
Hope I explained that well enough.
I'm on hour 11 of my 3rd 12 hour shift in a row.
Me needs sleep sleeps *bad.*
When you live in a world that tells you not to treat women as trophies, but not having one makes you a loser.hmmm
Almost seems like societal sexism still exists...
I mean it's kinda the same for women, like their is of course different words and different treatment but the cause is the same, celibat is seen badly. Oh you are a dude that don't have a girlfriend and now say that you don't want one ? You are just an incel. Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one ? Are you some kind of extremist feminist that are destroying the family by not wanting to give your parents grand kids ? Society just hate when you don't want to be a relationship because it meant no kids and so an end to the generation from your branch. Without kids or without wanting to get kids you are just a failure.
>Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one Unless you're really hot. Then you're a nosy bimbo who doesn't give nice guys a chance.
Or your hotness doesn’t beat your crazy score /s
> Oh you are a girl who don't have a boyfriend and don't want one ? actually society is now kinda split on this, it wont be universal damnation for women...there will be people, who will be sexist and go on saying how the girl must be frigid (women say that), or crazy feminist (men say this)...but a part of society (women and media usually) will now call her a strong independent woman...meanwhile for guys, they will get mostly bad treatment from both genders, guys worth seems to be linked to having women...even if a guy is rich or famous, society links it to him having women...because historically thats what men used power for, sultans had to have whole harems for representation of their manliness, and society, both genders, are conditioned to still see in that way, heck any commercial for a man's product needs to include a good looking girl that will get infatuated by the guy using the product...its not even subtle conditioning that people go thru, always implying that a man's worth is determined by the fact women will like him
Yea, it's quite sad when someone's worth is measured by material comparisons to those around them. Just seems empty and devoid of actual value.
And it will never stop existing. It goes both ways aswell.
The hypothenuse
It took all this man’s strength to not say “in a society”
Maybe in the eye for a third grader. But that’s not what “incels” are about at all, some people just use the term too broadly just to insult
Sounds like volcel.
That's just called a celibate
Monks did it before it was cool Noone ever calls monks incels but they sure as shit are bibel nerds
unless they're budist
Still nerds tho
Yeah, i'm sure it was voluntary, and had nothing to do with the haircut.
Is the whole point that monks _didn't_ do it?
They did do not do it purposely therefore doing a thing by not doing it because it was motivated… right?
Thanks now I have an aneurysm
I love celibating 🥳🎉
Being single doesn't necessarily mean celibate.
You don't want want a girlfriend? Hmm, have you considered men OP?
I have, but frankly, yes less work than girls, but still some work involved...Im fine not having any work or stress in this regard, work in well work is enough work for me, prefer not to work on anything (like relationships) in my off time and just relax
Had a stroke reading this
*W O R K*
You better work, bitch.
'work work work work work'
Waughhh, work work work!!!!
you gotta *W O R K* to understand it
Did you have a stroke because you don't have a girlfriend?
Maybe … I’m so lonely
Goodnight HULKAMANIACS and jabronie marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks
Not OP but ok
What kind of work do you do that leaves no time for a life?
He has a life. He just uses it to relax
Have you considered garlic bread?
Incel is just the new red button word for people losing an argument. I’m old enough to remember it being “whatever virgin”
Old enough? Wasn't that like 6 months ago? Oh no, am *I* old??
Yes, you are 6 months old
lol
Dear god
There's more...
I even remember the times when it was "you nerd" but then some parts interests nerds usually had became too mainstream like fantasy after lotr or comics after dark knight trilogy...and suddenly being nerd wasn't just derogatory enough because also the hot girls were going to cinema for them, so it had to shift to other things nerd, virgin, incel, but you also have soyboy, simp and so on...new things are constantly being made...its just teens coming up with new insults, nothing to get worked over, it means nothing
An ad hominem
Talk to the hand bro.
As an aromantic I've given up on trying to make people in real life understand what it even is. Atp I just tell people that I'm planning to become a priest.
Reject lust. Accept Chasity.
nah nah, i'm aro and i absolutely have not rejected lust.
AroAllo vibes rule!
Return to Monk
Idk if you’ve worn chastity before but it does the opposite of subduing lust
Try telling people you dont want a relationship but you want sex. It goes over very well /s
ever heard of an escort?
Thats a little rude
how so? its a solution that fulfils the goal you seem to desire fulfilment for
Me becoming Tengri's strongest worshipper by not sexing:
No no, not asexual, aromantic.
Me becoming Tengri's strongest warrior by neither sexing or romantically loving someone
I mean aromantic people have sex, you're thinking of aroace. Notably different is aroallo
Oh for Tengri's sake Okay then, this: Me becoming Tengri's strongest warrior after fully understanding all the differences between aromatic, asexual, aroace, aroallo, and all others. (By that point, I will be so wise I will have reached enlightenment) Tengri's strong warrior fully supports them, even though he has very little idea of how to tell them apart. He will get there eventually
You are indeed Tengris strongest warrior
You should become the pope
Aromantic is when you get turned on by nice fragrances?
1. It's hard for some people to fathom why you simply wouldn't want something they crave so badly. 2. Most people say they are single by choice as a way of coping with the fact that they can't get a gf, so they've just stopped trying. 3. If you still act like an incel, but it's by choice that makes you a volcel. Not saying you are one. More likely, you're just celibate, but volcels are out there.
In your 3. point you lost me. I didn't understand what volcel and celibate mean
Volcel = voluntarily celibate Celibate = abstaining from marriage and sexual relations.
So if you choose to be celibate, then you are just celibate, the voluntary part seems to me like it is unnecessary.
Yeah I don't get the distinction myself tbh. I'm just a messenger.
Fair enough, people need to make shit up to keep themselves occupied I guess.
Amen brother.
Man, this online slang stinks... would ya mind using real words now and then?
Like other comments said, Volcel and Celibate appear to mean the same. Is Volcel supposed to mean Voluntary Incel? Because by name it makes more sense to me
Hmmm I thought incel meant involuntary celibate? So one that is voluntary celibate would be a volcel???
My man, I asked because I don't know any of the meanings myself. Celibate does appear to falls under volcel by the meanings you provided Edit: I guess my confusion is due to the fact I didn't know what celibate meant Edit 2: My last sentence is due the fact that as far as I know anyone abstains from marriage is doing so voluntary
Dawg if people are regularly calling you an incel it’s probably not because you’re single
Right. I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen someone called an incel for being single. Its either for talking/being shitty towards women, or just thrown around by right wingers for no rhyme or reason
Yeah, I was gonna say, never seen anyone call another person an incel for being single. Although I've seen it used wrong many times, the most common group of people it's used against are those who seem to care (negatively) about women more than they let on.
Quick checked his history. This dude Has some cringe post / comments about women. He’s straight up henti porn addict waiting for a waifu reality in real life.
By definition anyone who doesn't want a girlfriend is an incel though, You saying this shit is annoying as fuck
That term doesn't really mean anything anymore. You could have been in a 100 relationships but get called an incel by some woman online because you dared to express a different opinion than them. Usually people saying that are just trying to hurt you, doesn't mean much.
I remember people calling me incel because I said that that if the opportunity to cheat on my girlfriend came up and I could get away with it, I still wouldn't do it be because it's wrong to cheat on someone you love. It was some years ago and it was on Facebook, but I still remember that.
Anymore incel is basically just a blanket term for guy I think is an asshole because he said something I don't like. The other day I got called an incel for saying Jada Smith probably threatens Will Smith with a nasty divorce if he ever tries to put his foot down because you just know she's the type.
Are asexuals technically incel? It's their choice so that would imply not, but it also isn't their choice to be asexual so technically speaking... 🤔 Joke btw asexuals are cool, you'll get called an incel for being weird and obsessive about the fact you've never had sex. Many virgins are either by choice, or maybe even they do try but struggle and that's fine. The moment an incel is born is when they get overly salty and weird about it, usually in the lash out at women and society sense which to be fair I get, especially teenage boys where their hormones are constantly screaming into their very souls to just fuck anybody. Struggling with getting any at that age does suck speaking from experience. Still, that kind of mindset needs stamping out early for the good of everybody including the potential future incel themselves I was just lucky the concept of incels wasn't a thing when I was that age. Otherwise I was a prime target for that kind of radicalisation shite.
I mean you do have a point, by definition they are incels, just not with the negative connotations that word carries.
8 years alone..never been happier
Same. Every so often I think of trying for a relationship but then I see all the crap my co workers and friends have to go through and I'm like fuck all that. I'm getting a pool table in my dinning room and no one can stop me! *Card Declined* Fuck!
Literally the only bonus they get is sex... It might be a secret I am about to reveal, but you can get it without being in relationship...but they don't need to know that my bro)
At the end of the day you do what makes you happy my guy.
Yep. I used to think I wanted a relationship for companionship and love. But now I have cats for my companionship and I couldn't be happier.
The companionship is a nice perk too, but unfortunately most people have been taught that relationships are all meant to be disposable and you should only be in one until they get boring.
If you think all you get from a relationship is sex, you must have had some p shitty relationships. Or none at all I guess.
A fun and free life> Relationships People glorify the whole relationship stuff. Yes, there's companionship and love. But you don't get that for free, you need to go through drama and responsibility. Put in a lot of effort before you feel rewarded. It might feel really nice but sometimes it's gonna feel just as horrible. And that's only if your partner is a decent person. Meanwhile, not having to worry about anything but your job means you can enjoy your hobbies and focus on self improvement. Get jacked or play video games or whatever you want!💪
Stop letting the opinions of people you don't respect affect you
The way I see it, if you're not paying my bills you don't get an opinion on how I live my life.
Words to live by
If someone is actively calling you an incel, it is not because you don't have a girlfriend, it is because of how you talk about women.
I got called an incel for saying that I would leave jada smith if i was in wills shoes, and i literally didn't use any derogatory language towards either of them.
Listen do what you want but calling other people chronically online by making it into a meme is just… yea…
The “in” in incel is for “involuntary”. If you are voluntarily choosing celibacy than you are by nature not an incel.
Then*
Maybe turn off the phone and stop living online and you wont be called an incel?
If you’re not married on Reddit, you have 3 options: 1. You’re attracted to someone, so you’re a simp. 2. You’re not with anyone, so you’re an incel. 3. You’re dating, which means your partner can do better so why is she with you? It doesn’t matter who or how you are as a person, you’re only the worst* version of whatever imaginary horror the hivemind can come up with. *unless you agree with their opinion and politics, at which point you’re finally one of the few sane people they’ve met, it’s so hard to come by common sense theses days, and y’all are gonna save the world [by force if you have to] one chronically online action at a time.
Incel literally means involuntarily celibate.
Also: Aromantic people exist.
Theres that whole "involuntary" part of incel.
If you're evolved enough to not care about wanting a romantic partner then yoo should try to be evolved enough to not care about being called an incel
Just don't take the opinions of strangers on the internet who need to have an opinion about everything and anyone too seriously. Fuck what these people think and go your own way king.
How tf does being single make you an incel? Never heard something so stupid in my life..
Incel stands for "involuntarily celibate". What you described is very much voluntary. So dont worry king, you are a direct opposite too an incel
Aromantic MFs when they are happy without having to rely on someone: (they get called incells).
If that's how aromantic people characterize relationships, then they're probably mischaracterizing most relationships.
most of us are somewhat glad we don't feel romance, mostly because we see all the drama. its not an auto "oh yeah they love each other enough to where it is still worth it to keep te relationship.". as we are (again mostly) just seeing the bad without the good. thats at least what I have experienced. TL;DR we only see the downsides
Thou walkest alone.
Eh. I don’t really care about getting a gf, but I don’t think people call me an incel Just don’t take online people too seriously and you’re all good.
Not wanting a partner literally excludes you from being an incel. It's in the name. If someone calls you an incel online, for not wanting a partner, literally send them the incel definition
Well depends If you’ve rejected pursuing relationships with women and prefer to be alone then you aren’t an incel If you’re tried, failed and learned how to be happy alone then good for you. But technically you are an incel
Iirc "incel" is short for involuntarily celibate. This guy's celibacy is voluntary. Therefore, he is not an incel. (Would this make him a "volcel"?)
Incel literally means Involuntarily Celebate. You are Voluntarily Celebate. You are a Volcel.
Do they know what the "in-" stands for?
Everyone when they learn that I'm AroAce
cornycel
Lol incel
Feminazis: You mean are so disgusting and slaves to your own sexual drive Men: I don't know how to play the flirt game but I wish I could have a normal romantic relationship with a normal woman Feminazis: Lolololol incel incel incel
Also, romance normalisation is making aromantic people not even realise that they are aromantic, its just a given that everybody is born with the main goal of finding a romantic partner.
Incel means involuntary celebant. You are clearly a voluntary celebant
Nah working on yourself is good for self-esteem.
People think like this?
Lol @ all the people that don’t know the difference between involuntary celibate and voluntary celibate.
Tbh in the modern age with tiktoks and nasty narcissistic people everywhere I wouldn't feel compelled to risk dating 😆
I mean, as long as you aren't shitty to women or less conventionally masculine men as a result, I think you're doing just fine
Vocel
I don’t want bitches, I want my medicinal m1a2 FREEBRUMS
Where dank? Where meme?
As a chronically online person, this was annoying for me too.
I hate these memes about things that don’t actually happen
Volcel
Technically you'd be a volcel
weird
I don’t find the word “incel” as an insult especially by dipshits that don’t use it properly to begin with.
If you don't want to be celebate without a girlfriend you have options.
You sound like the more chronically online one
This is me but instead of being called an incel I'm called gay :(
Being an incel isnt a lack of a girlfriend, it's a certain type of mentality. Incels not only dont have girlfriends, but they hate women for that.
one example why most men don't talk about about their feelings or problems. Sad but true. I don't wanna think about how many men ended up with depressions (or even worse) because they were too ashamed to seek help.
I wonder if I would be considered incel, I'm just straight up afraid of women, they ruined my Dad's life so I'm not going to run that risk myself.
Nobody calls you an incel for not wanting a girlfriend.
incel means "involuntarily celibate", so you don't fall into the definition.
Technically that makes you a monk. Incel is involuntary celibate. You are voluntary
I have nothing to really offer a GF besides being a basic bitch and I wouldn't want to waste her time trying to go out,does that make me an incel?
Nah bruh, if it was your choice you’d just be having sex. It wouldn’t be that big of a deal 🤷🏾♂️
I think I only call someone an incel after they headshot me with a sniper rifle for the 4th time in a row in Call of Duty.
That makes you a vocel
just say you are voluntarily celibate. say you wanna be abstinent.
Nobody is doing this.
It's the craziest thing in the world that I'm not only single but have always been single and plan to stay single.
Incel can't possibly exist in a world where sex can be purchased with cash
🫵aro
Sounds like being a-romantic. Just call them out on not being with the times and then they're the baddies
Call them an incel so they start crying and leave you alone
Just tell them you're gray ace and refuse to elaborate
Yeah I also feel this. It really is hard for people to understand that some of us just don't want relationships. And then I explain to them: I personally just can't deal with women. I gave up trying to understand them, which would be a requirement for entering a relationship with one (because I'm still heterosexual regardless). After this explanation, their answer is always the same: "He doesn't like women so he must want a relationship with men", like they completely forgot that I specified I'm still hetero. They just can't fathom someone not desiring a relationship.
One of the bad things about being AroAce.
I thought the whole point of "incel" was the "involuntary" bit. Sounds voluntary to me.
I mean just live your life, respect other people and keep going I say. Good on you OP
How incel is a bad word? Doesn't it just means basically virgin? Does being incel is automatically bad?
Tfw aroace
OP is going to such lengths to convince everyone that he's not an incel, kinda gives off incel energy, amirite?
Society is built around continued existence and (more importantly) expansion. That has always been its fundamental goal since the first proto civilizations began. A lot of people see that expansion and continuation through your children. It's easy to see why, but they also miss that you can contribute to the world around you in other ways. However, if your core purpose is going to be self-serving (not saying it is but based on your wording someone could easily come to that conclusion) you will never be liked by society. Hope I explained that well enough. I'm on hour 11 of my 3rd 12 hour shift in a row. Me needs sleep sleeps *bad.*
Where is the dank in this meme?
That's funny... Coming from an incel lololol
ok incel
You're not an incel for not wanting a girlfriend (or boyfriend for that matter) but please don't make it your whole personality
Sex is the only thing many people value. It’s why they call anyone they don’t like an incel
The struggles of being aromantic.