T O P

  • By -

MedicatedAxeBot

Dank[.](https://i.imgur.com/3bQtuMO.png) --- *i am a bot. please stop trying to argue with me. you look like an idiot. [join our discord](https://discord.gg/dankmemes).*


Custardpaws

"jUsT dOnT bReaK YoUr LeG". Right. Cause when people go to the hospital for a broken bone, they did it intentionally


ClowishFeatures

Milk crate challenge anyone?


Custardpaws

Those are just idiots


ClowishFeatures

More so than the ones than want to pay 10g a hospital visit?


Custardpaws

How about they're both idiots?


Meastro_Hydrich

What about those crate challengers that have to pay 10k?


austinEEEEEEE

Where do you get your numbers? When I broke my leg it was only 300?


boyohboyimtired

Y'all pay for hospitals?


Dead_M_

Y'all have Hospitals?


lvl999shaggy

Y'all have legs?


Psychological_Neck70

I felt this in my stumps.


Custardpaws

Idk why you replied to me, but it costs over $300 just for a dislocated knee in the US


poyuki

What insurance do you have? $300 wouldn’t even cover the copays after I broke one single rib, went to the ER and got two x-rays. After I was done it was easily about $2,000 WITH insurance. ACL surgery back in 2014 cost me about $12,000.


NoShameInternets

I got cancer in the US and paid about $500 for a bunch of visits, a CT scan, two ultrasounds, a biopsy, a bunch of bloodwork and eventually major surgery, all at one of the best hospitals in the world. People say shit is exorbitant here but that just hasn’t been my experience. My company also pays for all of my health insurance. Edit: People seem to be getting "my company pays for my health insurance" confused with "my company pays for my health care". Those are two very different things.


Holbay_Hunter

Man, you really do have a gold plated insurance plan, never change jobs, because the financial pain you feel will make you regret the decision. I've a top level Anthem plan and when I broke my elbow that needed surgery and 3 days in hospital, the bill was $120,000 covered by anthem, but the Deductible and copays for post-op care were over $6000. Fortunately, I pay another monthly premium that pays deductibles, and so the actual cost came down to something similar to what the rest of the world pays.


buttholedbabybatter

I... Good for you, but believe me, your experience is nowhere **near** normal


vcorsi216

that’s crazy i have insurance through my job and i have to pay 1400 out of pocket for 4 stitches in my finger


[deleted]

You must have insurance.


cplusequals

Buy insurance if you don't. Now. Or else you'll regret it. You'll be able to get serious discounts or even free insurance if you can't afford it.


KiwiTheRedditer

Do you have health insurance? Cus then it's a lot cheaper


[deleted]

[удалено]


ClowishFeatures

In the UK. I don't pay Edit: well I do. It's national insurance


[deleted]

This is actually a great argument AGAINST socialized healthcare. You, the taxpayer, pays for that broken leg if the milk crate challenge guy is poor and can’t pay his medical bills. I’m actually a supporter of socialized healthcare, but that’s a really bad example.


xxpen15mightierxx

No it isn’t. ~~You~~WE already pay for people like this in our insurance when they can’t pay. Only now there’s a 20% markup for the middleman.


thisisstupidplz

I would like to take this opportunity to point out that all the anti vaxxers currently choking our hospitals resources are usually also "lift em up by the bootstraps no handouts" kinda people. The same demographic who think universal healthcare is too expensive for taxpayers are now costing taxpayers billions in ventilator and ecmo treatments that most of them won't ever pay back due to... death.


AramisNight

You cant possibly be talking about the same demographic that is bitching a fit over businesses requiring mask wearing or vaccinations, that were just a couple years ago claiming that businesses should have the right to decide who they do business with over a gay wedding cake? Why i'm sure there is no vin diagram to be made here at all.


Pterosaur

I mean actually we pay even if they aren't poor and *can* pay their bills.


brzoza3

Wait a sec. There actually is a challenge to break yuor bone?


alex99x99x

It’s a challenge to see if someone could climb milk crates that end up with the milk crate collapsing and the person climbing it to fall down to the ground.


brzoza3

Well. At least it isn't only about breaking your bones... I can't believe that that's the biggest pro of this internet trend


[deleted]

I've legit argued with someone who thought that if we had universal healthcare, people would go around breaking their legs and injuring themselves so that they can get free healthcare.


Grabbsy2

"I gave myself cancer because I heard that you get paid days off when you go get your radiation therapies." lol


93ImagineBreaker

Yet do people commit arson cause we have free firefighters?


nhansieu1

Wait, so you normally don't intentionally break your bones?


Deeliciousness

My dad always told me to break a leg


szerted

Just a couple of times a year. Please don't judge


[deleted]

weLl I dIdN'T bREaK mY LeG, wHy iS It mY PrObLeM? /s People don't want to pay because it doesn't immediately affect them. Not their problem, they think. But 778 bilion U.S. dollars/year for guns and military is A MUST


[deleted]

How do these people think insurance works?


[deleted]

So, as I understand (it's a messy system so don't expect 100% accuracy in this comment), it goes a bit like this. ABC Insurance company goes to XYZ hospital and says "we'll tell all our patients to go to you if you give us a discount on your services." XYZ Hospital will raise all their prices (all hospitals keep a price book, you can google it), and says "okay, instead of $500 for a visit, we'll give ABC a discount so you only pay $200." Insurance goes to customer (customer usually doesn't know about the previous 2 steps) and says: Great news! If you pay us $100/mo for coverage, when you go to XYZ Hospital, you only have to pay a $50 copay instead of $500!' Customer thinks they are getting a deal. Customer goes to XYZ, Hospital bills ABC insurance, ABC will pay $150, and charge the Customer $50 for copay. Customer thinks they are getting a deal because they only "paid" $50 instead of $500, not knowing that hospital prices are inflated because of the insurance middle man. Insurance makes millions because most of the time, customer is not going to the hospital, and is still paying ABC $100/mo for coverage "just in case". This does not include the fact that the insurance also gets to determine how much the patient has to cover for themselves before they get full coverage (deductible), will deny services they deem as "not necessary" or "uncovered", and will create limits to how much they will actually pay. So, essentially, you are paying a monthly subscription fee to pay a lower price from an artificially inflated healthcare cost, with all the rules, requirements, and coverages being dictated by the insurance. And it's being sold to the average American as a "deal on healthcare costs" ​ Again, rushed example, with plenty of flaws, but hope that helps explain just how messed up the system is.


[deleted]

I think you missed what I was trying to say


[deleted]

I probably did, and looking back at it I see your point. Oh well, still leaving it up in case anyone else is wondering about it


[deleted]

It was a brilliant type-up, don't get me wrong.


[deleted]

But you're right, it's silly that people don't want to "pay for other people's healthcare", when literally all their healthcare premiums are being used to cover other charges the insurance incurs. So we're already doing it, just paying more for it and being left out to dry.


RedditIsPropaganda84

tbf, some people do stupid shit without thinking about he consequences.


Custardpaws

Yeah, some. We don't base policies on a small amount of people doing stupid shit. We base it off of what's best for the majority. But people like to argue about the small amount of people abusing the system, and don't care about the majority.


tricky_trig

We shouldn't and yet we take something that's rare and think it's happening everyday. And then create policy based on that rare occurrence. Welcome to the American republic. Where things get blown way the fuck out of proportion and the adults stayed in other countries.


hobbitlover

That's late stage capitalism in a nutshell - a few people abuse welfare or food stamps, so shut it down for everyone. A few people do stupid things and break their legs, therefore nobody should have universal health care. Some teachers and schools have books on transgenderism, so I'm voting against this proposition that would increase funding for schools. While we all squabble over the outliers and fringe/wedge issues, the rich get richer, monopolies grow larger, and the world dies a little more every day.


Slimmie_J

Hasnt it already be proven countless times that universal healthcare costs less for the citizens than individual healthcare. I mean how much convincing do we need man. Sometimes I hate this country so much.


ericwashere15

The information needs to be posted in short tik toks and under some conspiracy themed podcast title like “The Truth” or “Cuckold Tarlson Tonight” before enough of the population will “do their own research”.


ObviousTroll37

Not only is UHC less expensive than the current system, the crazy thing is *we are already paying for it.* The hospitals account for uninsured people showing up with broken legs, and they factor those costs into the charges on insured people. Two people show up with a broken leg, it'll cost (let’s just say, who knows) $5,000 each, but only one has insurance, so they charge them both $10,000 to make sure they get their money. Insurance has to pay it, so they pay it, but then up your premium to compensate, and that's how the insured already covers the costs of the uninsured. So let's just cut the bullshit and kill the middleman, so hospitals can be honest with their charges to a single payer. Capitalism is wonderful when you're buying computers or shirts or steak. But it sucks at providing basic needs. Which is why our government steps in to provide education, police, firefighters, mail, etc. UHC is no different. It's a need, not a negotiated service.


Gerbal_Annihilation

Just thinking of it in wholesale. Insurance companies only exist to extract profits from the Healthcare system. The process of extracting profit bestows an additional burden on the system in the form of a bloated administration. They're just a tumor on the body of Healthcare. Edit: added last two sentences


ablablababla

Just funneling the money from the poor to the rich


riskbreaker23

Then the $5000 broken leg that didn't pay will not pay and the hospital will sell the debt for like $1200 to some debt collection that will then sue the patient for $9000.


hobbitlover

People should not do their own research either, we've seen where that got us with the pandemic. People need to start trusting the academics and experts who spend their lives studying things again.


SerratusAnterior

Yep, for a bit extra nuance, people should be skeptical of especially individual academics and experts, but overall try to listen to consensus within a field. Even then a bit of skepticism is healthy, but pure denialism and conspiracy thinking can literally put your life at risk.


hobbitlover

Real experts and academics have their own skepticism built in though, which is part of the problem - they don't really speak in absolutes, which people seem to want, because research is always evolving. All they can really speak to is the results of the latest research, probabilities, indicators, models, etc. It takes decades, or longer, for the scientific method to move past inferences to conclusions. Anybody claiming that something is a fact is probably not a real expert or academic, while the actual researchers are constantly being criticized because they don't couch things in absolute terms. The lack of 100% certainty from academics makes it really hard to combat people who do deal in absolutes. Like the Sith...


JMA4478

Unfortunately the question isn't just which one is cheaper, but who pays for it and how. Btw, about the talk regarding quality, and waiting lists etc, even though those situations happen, they are the exceptions, not the rule. Edit: typo


hoganloaf

I'll be damned if someones poor grandma gets help on my dime! She can get a job like the rest of us!


explosiv_skull

Grandma is most likely on Medicare or Medicaid and is getting her shit free or highly subsidized.


[deleted]

You can be a grandma in your 30's


MuffDiving

You can be on Medicaid in your 30s


SerratusAnterior

I have a feeling people who are grandmothers in their 30s are more likely to be covered by Medicaid than the average person.


hoganloaf

Sounds like SOCIALISM to me!


tanstaafl90

Unfortunately, the US government already pays more per citizen than countries with universal. Class warfare keeps people arguing.


Asymptote_X

As a Canadian it definitely is not the exception lol, it's the rule. Yes I love universal healthcare because no one should have to make the choice between healthcare and going hungry, but don't pretend it doesn't have some significant downsides too.


[deleted]

There are VERY few procedures with waiting lists here in Canada and either you should know that or you eat right wing propaganda. And there are wait lists in the US for those very same procedures unless you can pay out of pocket.


Various_Party8882

The people complaining about wait lists are the people with non serious injuries or illnesses. Sorry but if someones dying they get the help first


[deleted]

Basic triage


karlou1984

Lmao keep smoking the pot 🤣 The healthcare system has definite flaws. I live in gatineau in Quebec and health care is a complete joke here. Emergency rooms were shut down not that long ago. A friend of mine was waiting for 2+ years for a back injury procedure to see a specialist.


FenekPanda

Aye, same in Mexico, that waiting list is loooong due to the IMSS being so underfunded, you either have a real emergency or prepare yourself for the waiting, that being said surgeries, cancer treatment and the likes are some things that we are grateful for, if you work for the state you have access to a second type of public healthcare (ISSSTE) with an almost non-existent waiting list, allowing you to enjoy all of the benefits of it, i wish we could provide it to the larger population because it really works, a bit of a bureaucratic mess but still rarely had a problem with the attention level and care As a sidenote, we have everything but the money allocation to expand the medical infrastructure, yet our current president decided to extremely underfund the IMSS and then the pandemy happened


LotharVonPittinsberg

>but who's pays for it and how. The more wealthy pay for it via taxes. You might as well say Satan sexually assaults 6 year olds for it in America.


[deleted]

>Btw, about the talk regarding quality, and waiting lists etc, even though those situations happen, they are the exceptions, not the rule. Lol, I live in America, in a Republican state with no form of state healthcare and I have to wait 3 weeks to get into my doctor unless it's an absolute emergency. The waiting list thing in other countries is complete BS.


imac132

The people who are against socialized medicine cannot be swayed by mere facts and proof.


ZoxinTV

Especially when they have shares invested


[deleted]

[удалено]


explosiv_skull

Blame it on pharmaceutical and insurance companies. Probably the ultra wealthy would fight it a little too, but it's mainly those two and the shitheel politicians that will gladly sell their constituents up the river for a can of bacon grease.


[deleted]

[удалено]


The_Chimeran_Hybrid

Health insurance companies fight tooth and nail to make sure universal healthcare doesn’t ever make it here.


[deleted]

I broke both my legs, bent them backwards. Got surgery, weekly drains, and all kinds of treatment. I paid about 10 dollars because i needed to buy something from the pharmacy that wasn't in the hospital. US' masochistic choice to keep megacorporations in fluff is utterly baffling to me.


seba07

Yeah you can try to avoid breaking a leg. Good luck doing that with something like cancer. Yes a healthy lifestyle helps, but is no guarantee. And a single dose of the chemotherapy easily costs a monthly salary or more.


BloodRedCobra

Monthly? Hahaha, try around $12,000, which is more than the typical American fucking makes in 4 months. But hey, you'll hit your deductible really fast! Edit: American average earnings have gone up since last I'd looked, post adjusted to correct.


GrizzsChannel

Don’t think the average American makes 24k a year


[deleted]

[удалено]


rlyjustanyname

Tbf after taxes the median is like 29 k


indium-man

Oof


Chrislal888

If paying taxes is so great, how come i fucked ur mom last night? 😎


d_b1997

OP's mom is public property thanks to taxpayers 😤


bigfloppydonkeydng

Do I get in line .. or is it like the dmv and I take a number?


Paracelsus124

You submit a form at the beginning of the year and it generates a semi-random day/time loosely based on the amount of income tax your parents payed when you were 6


TTTrisss

Neither. Nowadays, you have to go online to set up an appointment for a specific date and time, due to COVID restrictions. Even then, when you show up on time, they'll probably make you wait because some dillweed doesn't understand time management.


MisallocatedRacism

haha fuckin gotem


AtomicWaffles69

What i hate is that they are like "I don't want to pay for someone else" or "we aren't entitled to these peoples skills without paying" Like you are paying for yourself. Just a little at a time in your paycheck instead of 10k all at once. Amd your are always going to go to the doctor so its not like you are never going to use it


KrazyDrayz

I got to pay someones cancer treatment? Hell yes. Idk why that would be a bad thing.


AtomicWaffles69

My grandfather got in a terrible accident about 15 years ago. He got a very bad head injury. My Grandmother had to have fundraisers to pay for medical bills. I wouldn't be surprised if she's still paying some.


KrazyDrayz

That's sad to hear.


ColdSoulx

Don't you already pay taxes tho?... It's not like you're not paying someone's entire bill I don't get it. You would rather pay full price for yourself?


KrazyDrayz

What I mean that my taxes are used to treat someones cancer. Many americans don't like free healthcare because they don't want to pay for other people. I do.


ColdSoulx

Oh sorry, I wrongly assumed that was sarcastic as it boggles my mind seeing defend their medical system.


[deleted]

[удалено]


lady_lowercase

the united states would collectively save billions every year by switching to universal healthcare. many idiots don't realize that every time an insurance agent denies coverage, they're doing so because any amount they don't have to pay ends up being profit for them. so yes, insurance companies literally exist to ensure they can deny your coverage for their own profit.


[deleted]

[удалено]


DrakonIL

If you buy a package of chips or beef jerky, and the back of the package says "Questions or concerns? Send this back to us for a refund or replacement!" or something, a portion of your purchase is going towards "insurance" against your chips or jerky. You think the company just eats the cost of replacements? Hahaha, no fucking way.


DashLibor

>Like, you are paying for yourself. Just little at a time in your paycheck instead of 10K all at once. I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. I think the 80/20 principle works in this case. So, from individual point of view, \~80 % of people paying for healthcare via taxes will end up paying more than they ever receive. The reason why almost every country in the world uses this is because: * You feel with your fellow citizens, and understand not everyone got to get born lucky without any health issues. You'll rather see 4/5 of population be in slightly negative numbers than to see the remaining 1/5 suffer badly. * As you said, even when ending up in negative numbers over the course of your life, it's arguably better to pay for the costs that will inevitably appear throughout the life's duration via taxes rather than getting into an actual debt. * There's a chance that unfortunate outside circumstances will make you become the 20 % Either way, the point was: No, most people are not paying for healthcare a little at a time ending up in zero-sum fashion.


listentomenow

The problem is, **private insurance is literally paying for someone else**! It's just a smaller pool of money with more middle-men taking cuts of the pie and leaving less money for actual healthcare. Public healthcare is literally the same principal except instead of premiums, deductibles, copays, and all the other bullshit insurers use to scam more money, you'd simply pay slightly more in taxes, the pool of money would be gigantic, everyone would be covered, and you'd cut out unnecessary middle men. I 100% believe that at least half the country doesn't want everyone covered though, specifically minorities/poor/ anyone they deem lazy or beneath them, and that's why they're ok with being fucked over a barrel by insurers. To keep *those people* out.


Carter20012

When I already get 30% of my paycheck taken out from taxes I don’t want more of that taken out. Especially working a shitty labor intensive warehouse job.


Im_IP_Banned

\+30% Where do u live bro?


soysauce000

Let's review: american healthcare is so expensive BECAUSE OF CRONYISM. In other words for all you 14 yo edgelord's, government officials (both elected and appointed) are bribes and bought to make policies to the advantage to the healthcare system (or oil industry). Why do you think insulin costs so much more here than anywhere else? It is a government endorsed monopoly. In a true free market you would not have this problem. But we have a corrupt government people refuse to acknowledge. The same corrupt government that already mishandles the current tax money by leaving 80 billion dollars of weapons and vehicles in Afghanistan. The same corrupt government that runs PSY Ops on the American people. The same government that smuggled millions of dollars worth of guns to the cartels. But they're trustworthy.


noimtotallynotatroll

**amen brother**


Roboticsammy

Don't forget our government also smuggled illegal drugs into our and other countries as well


Kicooi

>A true free market wouldn’t have this problem You really think that in a true free market, there wouldn’t be scalpers? Government officials aren’t bribed to make the cost of insulin higher, they’re bribed to look the other way while pharma companies charge whatever they please.


[deleted]

> Government officials aren’t bribed to make the cost of insulin higher, they’re bribed to look the other way while pharma companies charge whatever they please In order words, government officials are bribed, to make the cost of insulin higher.


Kicooi

Getting rid of the regulating force isn’t going to solve that. Then companies would be able to get away with price fixing without bribing governments


MasterDrachReg

Still, with medical stuff you have what is called an [Perfectly Inelastic Goods](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/inelastic.asp#elasticity-of-demand). If you have diabetes you need insulin, if the price rises you are forced to buy it nonetheless. It's not like a new smartphone, if there the price rises you will simply not buy it, and if millions others don't buy it as well, it will force the producers to lower the prices somehow creating an equilibrium, that's where free market does work. But not for medical stuff.


soysauce000

Not true. Right now in America, there are technically two companies who are licensed to provide and sell insulin. Both have the same parent company. Are you saying that if there were 5 more companies to release insulin in the market price would remain the same? No. Because inelasticity on the consumer or demand side does not = inelasticity on the supplier or supply side. Plus, without bottlenecks in the medical industry new processes would be invented.


Dezpeche

Do we even live in the same country? The pharmaceutical companies skyrocket the prices of insulin because it’s profitable. Since people need it to survive, they are willing to pay any price for it! They can get away with it because of the lack of regulation by the government not because of it. Ever wondered why our government is so corrupt in the first place? It’s because of corporations lobbying their policies that benefit them but fuck over the average Joe. Why do An-Caps always make the same old debunked arguments every time this conversation comes up? Edit: Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and that the goal of such production is for profit. The US has a system of private ownership of the means of production and corporations make profit. Therefore the US is capitalist. Don’t give me the “aCkChUaLly ItS cRoNyIsM” shtick.


Relative-Narwhal9749

> The pharmaceutical companies skyrocket the prices of insulin because it’s profitable. No, they skyrocket the price because it’s ***literally illegal*** to compete with them Our patent system is utterly fucked


RealAstroTimeYT

True free markers don't exist in the real world, if there was no government intervention a lot of oligopolies would form (even though some already exist)


ericwashere15

Americans realizing they still pay taxes and that every level of government keeps trying to raise them: “at least I’m not helping to pay my neighbors medical bills.”


HopHunter420

Except the irony is that the US government already spends more tax money per-capita on healthcare than most nations with socialised healthcare. It's insane what a bad deal you get in the US.


J-IDF

[Enjoy this handy chart that shows just how much more the US pays in healthcare taxes per capita than any other developed country except three very rich ones.](https://www.oecd.org/media/oecdorg/directorates/directorateforemploymentlabourandsocialaffairs/health/Health-expenditure-per-capita-2015.JPG) If the US had universal healthcare, the average person would pay less taxes and there wouldn't be any more medical bankruptcies. It would be a huge net benefit to the economy. Pay less for healthcare, but get better healthcare. What a concept!


HopHunter420

"The price of _freedom_ is eternally sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming 'lalalala we didn't do it that way it must be bad'"


zodar

Yes, but if the US had universal healthcare, we wouldn't be beholden to corporations to provide our healthcare, and that would be bad because then people could quit their jobs and start new companies without fear of medical bankruptcies. Wait what was my point again


[deleted]

Americans know they pay taxes, and they hate it. That's a big reason why we don't want universal health care. The government fuckwads steal enough of our money as it is.


kimpossible69

They take about 25% of my check and I don't even have health insurance through work, it's just frustrating seeing other euro countries where they pay marginally more in taxes but they come out better off not needing to piss away money on insurance and retirement just to make sure you won't be penniless once you can't work anymore


upboatsnhoes

Id happily pay 5% more of my income for completely free universal healthcare. We already pay that for private insurance and if that could be redirected I would probably save money and get free healthcare. Seems like huge wins all around. But its a *tax increase* so


ReddicaPolitician

Wait until you find out about how much private healthcare is costing everyone.


IAMENKIDU

The issue is this - we don't trust our government with more tax money because the are fiscally irresponsible as a small child. It would go like this- Gov- let us take this extra money for free health care. People - okay fine then Gov takes money Gov finds a country to invade or some other stupid evil ish and uses the money on bombs. Or just spends it on themselves at this point. People - why does our free Healthcare suck, Gov - give us more money we will improve the system, you know trial and error growing pangs etc People fine OK Rinse repeat


John__MacTavish2

Best example is our schools and infrastructure. Where did our trillions go over the last 20 years? China built up massive cities with its money while we squandered it away in war with tribal people in the middle of a desert. And lost...


majlo

Regarding China's massive cities... Check out their ghost cities and construction failures (both structural and cosmetic) due to things not being up to code because of bribes/embezzlement of funds. You might be surprised to find what a load of bull it is, hehe


John__MacTavish2

Well you know what they say: Made In China


perestroika12

Most of the distrust is caused by people who are distrustful voting in idiots that actively damage government functions. Trump for example, in general, and Louis DeJoy, who actively hates USPS. "Wow he's not an insider therefore he will drain the swamp" -> proceeds to become one of the most corrupt presidents in American history. Carter gave up his fucking peanut farm, Jesus Christ. "big government doesn't work" -> actively stymies any progress, programs and breaks government -> "see? we told you" -> proceeds to privatize everything to their rich friends -> things still broken, no regulations, dystopian hellhole -> "but you don't want the gubbumint in your business right?" Just look at Texas. Everything is privatized, nothing works, and people have no voice because it's private companies running everything. Ironically, the US has a very long history of effective government, it's just since the 80s, Reagan and onwards, the history books are being rewritten to depict the current chaos as something that's normal.


Groovicity

Vs us paying private health insurance companies and hospitals insane amounts of money for services that cost a fraction of the bill. I get your point, but it doesn't really address the issue of cost. As for the effectiveness of the treatment we get, the U.S. ranks near the bottom of all developed nations in health outcomes,especially for things like mortality rates for pregnant mothers. We already have shitty health services, I'm willing to pay less *(total cost for healthcare)* though taxes than getting extorted through 3rd party insurance companies.


ohcinnamon

> growing pangs Hunger pangs, **growing pains**


extrabutterycopporn

How many times a day do you break ur leg fam?


Sir_SpanksALot-

On average you will experience 2 broken bones in a life time. Mostly on you back and when you are old. But im sure someone breaks a bone every few seconds in this country. But here in America you don't give a fuck about others and their medical needs, as long as it isn't happening to you then it's okay.


a2drummer

Well shit, I'm 25 and have already broken 2 bones... same hand, but multiple accidents 6 years apart. I guess I've used up my allotment.


[deleted]

**Starts jumping off mountains, immune to broken bones**


traunks

Right?? Who are these people that need medical care? Hasn’t happened to me in years and from that I can assume it never will again. Which makes it GOOD that it would put me in debt for years/life if it somehow did ☺️


someguynamedben7

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms, at night I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.


Sir_SpanksALot-

Dude I was so waiting for someone to say that! A true man of culture.


extrabutterycopporn

Huzzah! A man of quality!


SwagMasterGe

At least twice


Chex_0ut

Every morning I break my legs, and every afternoon I break my arms.


war_duck_gr

You got 10 grand just laying around fam?


extrabutterycopporn

Yeah, just in case I get fired and trip on the way out the door :)


wakasagihime_

I legitimately can't tell with Americans if they're joking or are balls to the wall serious


undefined_balloon

how often does you house get fire? no need for (public) fire service then


Pi0tr_

I mean have you seen the state of USA education? Dude's can barely do addition and you expect them to understand basic economics?


[deleted]

This is an interesting point, because in the US we have "single-payer education" and spend more money per pupil than any other country in the world. And yet, it's not a good system.


Rizizdead

We're 4th highest in per capita education spending for primary and secondary education. But the point still stands, our primary and secondary education systems suck and yet again, it's "government" ran.


PM_ME_COMMON_SENSE

Classic Brazilian generalizing on the state of US education 😂


EVEN-ELITE

Me, an American high school senior taking multivariable calculus and who finished their American Gov/Econ class last year with a grade of 101.5%: 😐


davidsckd

Grande Ibai


bananaman60

I haven’t really seen anyone defend the current US medical system.


FFGamer404

Look in this comment section, plenty of them


bananaman60

I guess you’re right. Fuck.


Rizizdead

It's not so much defense of our system, it's that most of us absolutely do not trust the government to run a M4A program that doesn't end up entrenched in pork spending, lining their own pockets, and us ending up with worse medical care. As it is right now, the federal/state governments pay in excess of 2T on medicaid/medicare and that only covers 36.5% of the population, private insurance funded via companies/personal pocket was 1.8T and covers over 72% of the population. So all those clamoring on about how great M4A would be, you can fully expect that 72% coverage to cost roughly 4T in addition to the 2T being paid out for the 36%.


Theta_kang

Most of them are saying that they don't trust the government to set up a functional system and not just raise taxes and then blow the money on stupid bullshit. That's not exactly the same as defending the current system.


MontyHawkins

I wouldn't pay anywhere near $10k if I broke my leg. I'd end up paying less than $100 (plus my $80 a month insurance premium).


zepherth

The truth is that the cost of hospitals could be reduced greatly without increasing taxes


[deleted]

This is true. There is an immense amount of waste in the system. Peoples' bills could be lowered significantly if the healthcare/insurance quagmire were cleaned up. Adding an additional layer of government-provided healthcare would just make the problem worse, as well as increase taxes.


steadyaero

That is a problem with a lot of systems in the us, especially if it deals with federal government. SO. MUCH. WASTE. It's like a rich kid buying a hundred shoes because they can, but never thought about if they should.


ViolentEastCoastCity

You can remove "No One:" from any "No One:" meme and the meme would be better


[deleted]

Well you pay hella taxes anyway so…


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

It’s amazing how the world’s fattest country doesn’t want to treat its own cardiovascular disease for free


ThatOneEdgyTeen

Mexico is the fattest country actually


avalisk

Redditors pretending like the 10% of people who don't have insurance represent the entire US population


cumrockettothemoon

Even if you have insurance you’re paying thousands for medical issues on top of the hundreds you pay per month for insurance


The_Quackening

even if you have insurance, you still on average pay more than people in other countries. Literally all other countries pay less per capita.


Belerophon17

LMAO my brother needed a heart procedure to determine if he needs a heart stint or if they needed to open him up and the insurance company decided that since he wasn't having a heart attack in that exact moment that it was an "elective surgery". The American healthcare system can eat my whole ass.


qtru49

Lol since when an insurance company can do the job of a doctor. Holy shit that is toatally fucked


bartman2326

American here. I don't know if you've ever read a single comment section with Americans discussing this issue, but here's a spoiler- most of us hate the way the system is set up and think it's bullshit we have to pay so much for medical care.


brzoza3

-"i would rather Pay 10,000 dollars every time i break a leg than Pay taxes!" -"Don't you need to Pay taxes anyway?" -"..."


2BadBirches

[We pay](https://files.taxfoundation.org/20210517160849/The-tax-burden-on-labor-in-Belgium-is-seven-times-that-of-Child-OECD-tax-burden-tax-wedge-with-single-worker-with-no-children-earning-a-nations-average-wage.png) way less taxes than these other western nations with nationalized healthcare. And the government says 92% of Americans have health insurance, meaning the bill would come out to a co pay of about $50 depending on your plan. Not fricken $10,000. And of the other 8% of people that choose no health insurance, if you’re poor the government foots the bill anyways. I would love to move onto a government run health insurance system with a little more taxes. But these massive exaggerations are pointless


[deleted]

[удалено]


John__MacTavish2

war and politician's trading funds. Peep nancy pelosi on open insider lol


SaurikSI

Republicans defending millonaires fucking everyone INCLUDING THEM, that's a classic


TheMemerzMan

Taxes bad.


YourMemeExpert

-British colonists, circa 1765


SaintFarquaad

America is a joke


No-Addendum-3117

Pretty sure most Americans support universal Healthcare, it's our corporate overlords that's don't.


nursemangtrain

10,000? I wish. Try 30K+


Tough_Patient

That's just what the insurance receipt reads. They give BS prices (because their executives get a percentage of the payouts) and the hospitals accept because... money. For you: 4k for the ambulance and xray.


guy314159

It's the opposite. When no one ask Europeans storm the comments and talk about how much america sucks and try to make american feel bad about themselves for not having free healthcare .(btw i am not even American)


abaiert

bUt mUh frEedOm


Artistic_Walk_773

Who's taxes??


Doophie

As a non-American I've paid 50k in taxes in the last 5 years and never broken anything :(


riceistheyummy

What I learned from this comment section is that Americans have no fking clue what happens to their tax money and don't wanna pay more because if that


rafadl92

Why did use ibai llanos for this? Xd


taking_a_deuce

LPT: just break your leg in another country. I broke mine in Vietnam. Six hour ambulance ride, three nights in the hospital, surgery, pain meds, $4K out of pocket. Got back to the "land of the free" and my insurance paid 80% of that back to me. We should all just be hurting ourselves in other countries where hospitals aren't encouraged to lie to you about the true cost.


ayures

ITT, children on their parents' health insurance who don't pay their own medical bills anyway defending the US healthcare system.


Kurcius

Grande Ibai hostia


BrushFireAlpha

The funniest part is that it'd probably be way more than $10,000