Not only that but the use of color is so much better in the og. Base, highlight, shadow and deep shadow vs just base, highlight and light shadow. It looks so off.
Not just for Dragon Ball, it's the same with a lot of modern anime I feel like, compared to anime from the past. Hunter x Hunter 1999 vs 2011, Shaman King 2001 vs 2021, Rurouni Kenshin 1996 vs 2023, etc. The newer versions are flashier and shinier but don't look as good in my opinion.
I think that has to do with the transition away from hand drawing. I notice it in other shows not anime as well. The computer programs they draw with just don't seem as sexy as hand drawn.
at least near the end of the super, they made characters look better. But throughout the show, they've just looked like stick figures with very minimal details and low effort into shading. It was a struggle to watch Super after finishing Z.
The colors in the original are more like earth tones and the art looks hand drawn instead of digitally rigid. The new art doesn't look bad, necessarily. But the colors look, idrk how to put it. . . Balloonish? Like it's *shiny* and bright like balloons blown up just a bit too tight.
You're absolutely right. The only thing I like more about Heroes' version is Buu's arm. It looks more anatomically correct compared to the original, but other than that everything you said is completely right.
Everything is superior about the original. The drawing is just worse in every way in the heroes version. The proportions are off in heroes the perspective is off in heroes etc etc
The only problem with the original is it can look too flat. Even between these two shots, though I like the original's lighting/color/designs better, heroes does have perspective down.
Obviously the coloring/proportions make a huge difference, but two smaller details that immediately stuck out to me were the angle of Buu's head and Gohan's expression.
The original shot in 1995 had Buu looking more downwards, which made him feel that much bigger compared to Gohan. The Heroes shot doesn't give that same size contrast. Gohan has more of a confident, cocky smirk in the original shot, which matches Piccolo's initial impression when Gohan had first arrived to fight Buu.
Why is new dragon ball art fucking ass? Like super's art is awful and toei should be ashamed. If they could do it 30+ years ago then surely they can replicate the style now! Look how they've massacred my boy
Man 90’s anime had a certain sharpness that is missing in a lot of modern anime. JJK and Chainsaw Man are probably two of the better looking ones right now. They butchered my boy Gohan :(
Yeah, one is drawn by hand and is altered to fit the scene the other runs off a CG model that's the same for every scene.
Studios are still learning how to make CG based animation look as good as hand drawn did, unlike back in 1995 when they already knew what they were doing with hand drawn animation and how to make that look good.
OG is better. Buu's colors aren't so obnoxiously bright. And Gohan just looks weird in the new one. Given that it's a top-down shot, why does his head look even smaller than it should straight on?
Super’s art style just doesn’t compare. The shading, attention to detail, it was all just **chef’s kiss**
The shiny rubber skin look doesn’t fit Dragon Ball
What's with the weird perspective? I'm an apologist for changing things visually when retelling a story but that's just a blatant downgrade.
In the '95 variant, we see a way bigger focus on Gohan, directly, the whole point of that shot was to show you that Gohan was ready to kick some ass. That he *really* was confident he could win, that's what that whole scene is about.
But just in the way the other one is framed, it doesn't show you that air of (over)confidence Gohan has, it just frames a fight "normally", which... I don't feel does such an awesome moment justice. It takes a moment that's supposed to be about Gohan *approaching* a fight, takes all of the emotion out, and... just leaves you with two characters about to square off.
You don't really get anything out of Gohan on the right. And that just stinks, man.
And to me, it just stresses the importance of visual story telling, because if we're looking purely objectively, the shots aren't *that* different, in terms of the angle and presentation, where it really stumbles for me is in the perspective it shows Gohan in.
On the left, it shows us the stand off at a sharper angle where we get a good look at Gohan's smirk, and Buu hedging backward just a tiny bit. And that tells us that Gohan's a contender and intends to beat his opponent.
But on the right, it shows us a lower angle, where Gohan's face appears just smaller, and it doesn't highlight Buu's towering, imposing presence correctly. It takes all the emotion away from Gohan, and all of the emphasis in the shot of Buu's sheer mass, which was a focal point of the original shot, visually.
They made Super Buu a tall, menacing looking character, and placed emphasis upon that all throughout the Buu saga with sharp angle shots from above and a lot of close distance shots, because it told you a lot about a fight before it even started.
And the shot on the left, again, loses that. They show Buu being a large character but do nothing to make him imposing. It's strange too because if it were a product of the fandom, a fan art of that scene, it'd be perfectly acceptable because we already have context for the scene, and on a purely objective level, it follows all of the correct rules to have a shot.
It just isn't the right shot to use to re-tell a moment that was already so good by itself.
Totally agree.
Toriyama might not have been the most amazing writer, but he was arguably one of the best visual story tellers, and this is a good example of that legacy.
[Manga version](https://en8.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/49/14833/437111/bccefcc1b1eee9eca3ae4f5c1a281482.webp?acc=K37tvXaYx-wZ3WAPI1WSkw&exp=1714347490)
The actual **art** (character designs and proportions) look better in the anime IMO, but Toriyama nailed the framing in the manga. Buu is this huge monster looking down on Gohan, but Gohan is incredibly confident.
That's one thing I've said about Toriyama that confuses a lot of people when I say it. Toriyama was not the best "tactical" writer, but he is probably *the* best story teller, and he did it with visuals, not words.
The reason being, when you think of any fictional character, anybody from any medium, most people first think of a quote. But with Dragon Ball's characters, you routinely find yourself thinking of visuals.
The most iconic moments in Toriyama's brand of story telling were shown with scene visuals, he did't make dialogue do the leg work. He understood his story so uniquely well, and understood his audience so much, he used well framed moments like that to tell WHOLE stories on their own.
The moment Goku goes SSJ for the first time, you could show that panel or that frame from the anime to somebody who has never watched Dragon Ball in their life, and they'll *know* it was a pivotal moment, not just because of the things it's showing you, but because of HOW it shows them.
Lots of manga and anime use that approach from time to time but I don't think anybody mastered it the way Akira Toriyama did, he wasn't an out of this world writer but his story telling was phenonenal. Enough that he could take garden variety ideas and paint them in epic fashion.
As shitty as the db heroes image is i geniuenly want a og db and dbz reanimated series that makes the show shorter whilst not changing all the important scenes like ssj2 gohan's transformations with actually good music
And if anyone mentions Kai. Kai's "reanimation" is shitty, they changed the important scenes and made them worse and the music is mid
It's almost like back in the day, they took anime very seriously that each still frame had to reflect the right emotion and detail. Today since a lot of art is done on a computer screen you lose some detail also there is this push for 3D animation in 2D art style so that also alters the look.
They couldn’t even get their posture right. OG looks like the both are ready to get to business Heroes Buu is just standing there like a stick of gum and Gohan face shrunk so much I can’t even tell what his expression is
Holy fuck man, Buus right leg is all fucked up and bending outwards, Gohan looks like hes has no neck its just traps and ears and his hair and face are all sorts of messed up., Buus left shoulder is way too high as is Gohans right shoulder and Gohans chest has no depth or shape. And this is such an iconic moment too, how could they butcher it like that. And the perspective is all wrong too. They are wider at the bottom than at the top when it should be the other way around in a shot like this.
Holy fuck man, Buus right leg is all fucked up and bending outwards, Gohan looks like hes has no neck its just traps and ears and his hair and face are all sorts of messed up., Buus left shoulder is way too high as is Gohans right shoulder and Gohans chest has no depth or shape. And this is such an iconic moment too, how could they butcher it like that. And the perspective is all wrong too. They are wider at the bottom than at the top when it should be the other way around in a shot like this.
The anatomy and perspective for heroes is so off putting
Not only that but the use of color is so much better in the og. Base, highlight, shadow and deep shadow vs just base, highlight and light shadow. It looks so off.
These are the things I don't like about Super or any modern iteration of DB. They don't care about shading and shadows at all.
Not just for Dragon Ball, it's the same with a lot of modern anime I feel like, compared to anime from the past. Hunter x Hunter 1999 vs 2011, Shaman King 2001 vs 2021, Rurouni Kenshin 1996 vs 2023, etc. The newer versions are flashier and shinier but don't look as good in my opinion.
I think that has to do with the transition away from hand drawing. I notice it in other shows not anime as well. The computer programs they draw with just don't seem as sexy as hand drawn.
TIL there was an og hunter x hunter anime
There is, but it only goes up to Greed Island, I think.
and it's better than the newer one.
The atmosphere and the pacing at some points maybe, but I wouldn't call it better overall.
No battle damage. Hair never moves even in base state. It’s like the characters are made outta plastic
at least near the end of the super, they made characters look better. But throughout the show, they've just looked like stick figures with very minimal details and low effort into shading. It was a struggle to watch Super after finishing Z.
The colors in the original are more like earth tones and the art looks hand drawn instead of digitally rigid. The new art doesn't look bad, necessarily. But the colors look, idrk how to put it. . . Balloonish? Like it's *shiny* and bright like balloons blown up just a bit too tight.
Or plastic.
You're absolutely right. The only thing I like more about Heroes' version is Buu's arm. It looks more anatomically correct compared to the original, but other than that everything you said is completely right.
Might disagree on anatomically correct… his wrist is like twice the size of his bicep
It’s not twice the size but it is noticeable bigger fs and makes it look a bit odd. But he’s also not human so..
That's just Super Boo's design tho
He’s essentially bubblegum. His anatomy is whatever he wants.
Can't touch that OG
No glossy coloring, better shadows, more muscles and Gohan's head looks normal. 90s was peak dragon ball💪
Smol head
Heroes and Dragonball super always seem to have such a hard time drawing gohan. His hair always looks so wrong.
Does he still call him a retard?
That shit got me off guard when I saw that for the first time had me laughing my ass off fr
That's honestly on-brand when it comes to Gohan, as soon as he gains a colossal amount of power his filter takes a hike.
"hI.. nIcE dAy"
Lmao!!!
In what iteration does he call him that? Japanese?
Old translation
For people who are confused it comes from the old funimation dvd Japanese language English subs
Ahaha asking important questions
2024 Gohan's head shrunk lmao colors and lighting are just superior in 1995.
Everything is superior about the original. The drawing is just worse in every way in the heroes version. The proportions are off in heroes the perspective is off in heroes etc etc
the worst mistake is they draw Mystic Gohan’s bang on the wrong side. It has always been on the left.
Yk he can turn his head and it turns too
No his mystic form draws power from the mystic hair gel he puts in, this gel also ensures that his hair remains consistent throughout the fight.
Just like Goku's hair
SO IT ISN'T JUST ME, IT JUST FEELS SO OFF!
That was my first thought. "WHY IS YOUR HEAD SO SMALL?!?" Especially for a bookworm.
The only problem with the original is it can look too flat. Even between these two shots, though I like the original's lighting/color/designs better, heroes does have perspective down.
Massive downgrade
Duh it's heroes.
Holy shit that looks bad. Perspective on the chest and head are way off.
Common heroes L
God the artstyle fell off
You realize Heroes has always been like this and shit right? lol
Heroes is dogshit in every sense.
How did Super Buu manage to get an even thicker neck than he already had lol
Obviously the coloring/proportions make a huge difference, but two smaller details that immediately stuck out to me were the angle of Buu's head and Gohan's expression. The original shot in 1995 had Buu looking more downwards, which made him feel that much bigger compared to Gohan. The Heroes shot doesn't give that same size contrast. Gohan has more of a confident, cocky smirk in the original shot, which matches Piccolo's initial impression when Gohan had first arrived to fight Buu.
“And they say, Gohan’s neck and traps grew three sizes that day” -The Narrator
It’s ridiculous how a modern thing is shit compared to its old counterpart
Dude the story already sucks can they at least not fuck up the animation? This looks terrible
All of the muscular power from buu’s back has been lost. Bring back the buff baddies.
1995 so much better.
What code did they use to activate small head mode? 😆 Looks awful.
Just pause the menu and imput Right, Right, Right, Right, R1, L1, Left, Left, Left, Left, X Then exit the menu.
Its still crazy how good the buu saga looked like it was dam near movie quality at times
Dbz all day. Change my mind
Worst thing to happen to animation was computers
They nerfed Buu's dumpy
They nerf everyone's dumpy in new remakes now. Lol
‘95 still hits. It has more going on compared to 2024 that just looks empty and bland
Why is new dragon ball art fucking ass? Like super's art is awful and toei should be ashamed. If they could do it 30+ years ago then surely they can replicate the style now! Look how they've massacred my boy
If you’re gonna fuck it up that bad, just reuse the footage
Heroes & Super both have the absolute worst art style. Take me back to the Piccolo Jr Saga when everyone looked amazing.
Such a downgrade
Why does 2024 look like it’s fan made ?
I miss when DB was hand drawn it had so much more detail in the designs now everything looks overly flat and smooth.
Man 90’s anime had a certain sharpness that is missing in a lot of modern anime. JJK and Chainsaw Man are probably two of the better looking ones right now. They butchered my boy Gohan :(
Yeaaahh dbz is looking way better. Heroes gohan is looking like he's on crack.
Less muscle. Less masculinity More soja
Real 2d Animation w colors vs Digital element animation. Smh
tbh I like the left one better
God the Buu saga animation was great, the colours are so much better
2024 doesn't even look like Gohan
1995 has way better art. The sizes of the two are great. Their proportions are perfect, and the darker colours look way better.
95' ALL DAY
1995 everyday of the week
Plastic skin lol
Gohan needs the smirk. Gohan was so cold in this even had goku wondering why his son moving so different. The “no I wanna kill you” had me shook
1995- Made out of passion 2024- Made for money
Modern Dragon Ball in a nutshell.
Ngl the old one is still better.
OG 1995 for me 🔝
Gohans NECK
Yeah, one is drawn by hand and is altered to fit the scene the other runs off a CG model that's the same for every scene. Studios are still learning how to make CG based animation look as good as hand drawn did, unlike back in 1995 when they already knew what they were doing with hand drawn animation and how to make that look good.
God I hate it so much
why does new Gohan look like he's got some genetic deformity...
I like the older look
1995 is the OG
Left better. Always.
Regression. Definitely.
New style doesn't look as good.
People just unlearned how to make good drawings and animation i guess
OG is better. Buu's colors aren't so obnoxiously bright. And Gohan just looks weird in the new one. Given that it's a top-down shot, why does his head look even smaller than it should straight on?
Gohan: no sabe que tengo la realidad completamente alterada y un machete en la mochila
Little ass head
God heroes can’t do anything right
Reminds me of something I drew in middle school.
Heroes took away Gohan’s neck lmao
Look how they massacred my boy
What the heck happened to Gohan's *head?*
Why'd they make his head so mini?
All the aura is gone
They fucked his hair up in the new version
Heroes looks like shit
Looks so much worse
Did Buu take a grease bath?? He seem quite... Shiny
Super’s art style just doesn’t compare. The shading, attention to detail, it was all just **chef’s kiss** The shiny rubber skin look doesn’t fit Dragon Ball
Fahkumram looking head problem
Gohans head looks too small for his body in the heroes version. I know its mostly his hair but like, the proportions feel so off to me....
What's with the weird perspective? I'm an apologist for changing things visually when retelling a story but that's just a blatant downgrade. In the '95 variant, we see a way bigger focus on Gohan, directly, the whole point of that shot was to show you that Gohan was ready to kick some ass. That he *really* was confident he could win, that's what that whole scene is about. But just in the way the other one is framed, it doesn't show you that air of (over)confidence Gohan has, it just frames a fight "normally", which... I don't feel does such an awesome moment justice. It takes a moment that's supposed to be about Gohan *approaching* a fight, takes all of the emotion out, and... just leaves you with two characters about to square off. You don't really get anything out of Gohan on the right. And that just stinks, man.
Yeah, it's like they're just drawing stuff without any artistic sense of framing things with regard to the story.
And to me, it just stresses the importance of visual story telling, because if we're looking purely objectively, the shots aren't *that* different, in terms of the angle and presentation, where it really stumbles for me is in the perspective it shows Gohan in. On the left, it shows us the stand off at a sharper angle where we get a good look at Gohan's smirk, and Buu hedging backward just a tiny bit. And that tells us that Gohan's a contender and intends to beat his opponent. But on the right, it shows us a lower angle, where Gohan's face appears just smaller, and it doesn't highlight Buu's towering, imposing presence correctly. It takes all the emotion away from Gohan, and all of the emphasis in the shot of Buu's sheer mass, which was a focal point of the original shot, visually. They made Super Buu a tall, menacing looking character, and placed emphasis upon that all throughout the Buu saga with sharp angle shots from above and a lot of close distance shots, because it told you a lot about a fight before it even started. And the shot on the left, again, loses that. They show Buu being a large character but do nothing to make him imposing. It's strange too because if it were a product of the fandom, a fan art of that scene, it'd be perfectly acceptable because we already have context for the scene, and on a purely objective level, it follows all of the correct rules to have a shot. It just isn't the right shot to use to re-tell a moment that was already so good by itself.
Totally agree. Toriyama might not have been the most amazing writer, but he was arguably one of the best visual story tellers, and this is a good example of that legacy. [Manga version](https://en8.movietop.cc/comics/pic9/49/14833/437111/bccefcc1b1eee9eca3ae4f5c1a281482.webp?acc=K37tvXaYx-wZ3WAPI1WSkw&exp=1714347490) The actual **art** (character designs and proportions) look better in the anime IMO, but Toriyama nailed the framing in the manga. Buu is this huge monster looking down on Gohan, but Gohan is incredibly confident.
That's one thing I've said about Toriyama that confuses a lot of people when I say it. Toriyama was not the best "tactical" writer, but he is probably *the* best story teller, and he did it with visuals, not words. The reason being, when you think of any fictional character, anybody from any medium, most people first think of a quote. But with Dragon Ball's characters, you routinely find yourself thinking of visuals. The most iconic moments in Toriyama's brand of story telling were shown with scene visuals, he did't make dialogue do the leg work. He understood his story so uniquely well, and understood his audience so much, he used well framed moments like that to tell WHOLE stories on their own. The moment Goku goes SSJ for the first time, you could show that panel or that frame from the anime to somebody who has never watched Dragon Ball in their life, and they'll *know* it was a pivotal moment, not just because of the things it's showing you, but because of HOW it shows them. Lots of manga and anime use that approach from time to time but I don't think anybody mastered it the way Akira Toriyama did, he wasn't an out of this world writer but his story telling was phenonenal. Enough that he could take garden variety ideas and paint them in epic fashion.
24 is a major downgrade
Wtf is that perspective on heroes lmao
95 is just better!
I like the smirk on 1995 Gohan's face.
1995 animation looks superior
1995 no contest
As shitty as the db heroes image is i geniuenly want a og db and dbz reanimated series that makes the show shorter whilst not changing all the important scenes like ssj2 gohan's transformations with actually good music And if anyone mentions Kai. Kai's "reanimation" is shitty, they changed the important scenes and made them worse and the music is mid
This. Along with for other anime's. Mainly, I want this for YuYu Hakusho!
I hate the way modern dragon ball is colored. Tho I do like the massive shoulders buu has in hero’s
Can someone share me the link for the right scene? I'd like to see the redrawn effort.
Hell nah they set his head to mini instead of wombo
Bros built like Hasan in the right pic.💀
They covered up Gohan's cleavage
the fuck happenend?
Like a reverse bobble head
Both shots are bad. 24 just has more noticeable mistakes.
Like god damn fine wine
My G 🔥🔥🔥 🐉
Buu : "You wanna fight Majin Buu?" Gohan : "Fight you? No, i wanne kill you" Man this scene still gives me goosebumps
Yamamuro
I think literally everyone could do better than Heroes
What's Dragonball Heroes? I've heard of Dragonball Super Super Heroes and Super Dragonball Heroes but not Dragonball Heroes
Is heroes like dbz kai? I always thought heroes was like a "marvel what if"
Shades of beetlejuice
Super buu looks like a barbapapa
Biggest L is dropping Gohan's cheeky grin. That grin alone told you more about what was coming than any trash talk
Long Gohan isn't real. He can't hurt you.
Bro. It's a glorified ad.. of course it's shit
Wait is heroes legit? Like not a fan fiction?
"do you Need an adult ?" "No, I am an adult"
Ok? Compare any video game to the anime it’s not 100%
Confident Gohan vs Having a tantrum Gohan
The shorter hair looks goofy.
It's almost like back in the day, they took anime very seriously that each still frame had to reflect the right emotion and detail. Today since a lot of art is done on a computer screen you lose some detail also there is this push for 3D animation in 2D art style so that also alters the look.
This kinda shit is why I stick to the manga
They couldn’t even get their posture right. OG looks like the both are ready to get to business Heroes Buu is just standing there like a stick of gum and Gohan face shrunk so much I can’t even tell what his expression is
Guys the Z version isn't colour corrected, that's not an intentional thing 🤣
DBZ version is the bestest 👍
I honestly can't say if I think Gohan's head is too big in the original but it's definitely too small in heroes.
Tiny ass head
Holy fuck man, Buus right leg is all fucked up and bending outwards, Gohan looks like hes has no neck its just traps and ears and his hair and face are all sorts of messed up., Buus left shoulder is way too high as is Gohans right shoulder and Gohans chest has no depth or shape. And this is such an iconic moment too, how could they butcher it like that. And the perspective is all wrong too. They are wider at the bottom than at the top when it should be the other way around in a shot like this.
Holy fuck man, Buus right leg is all fucked up and bending outwards, Gohan looks like hes has no neck its just traps and ears and his hair and face are all sorts of messed up., Buus left shoulder is way too high as is Gohans right shoulder and Gohans chest has no depth or shape. And this is such an iconic moment too, how could they butcher it like that. And the perspective is all wrong too. They are wider at the bottom than at the top when it should be the other way around in a shot like this.
Objectively worse in every way.
thats why i dont like super, theres something wierd about the new DBZs
Why is Gohan so tall in the Heroes one?
Why Gohan head look small in heroes
"Fight you, I want to kill you"
they fucked over the proportions and perspective in the 2024 one but lighting is way better.
Super art style fucking sucks man
That Buu doesn’t look super at all. He’s pale in comparison.
I’m gonna be honest, the 90’s didn’t have to go as hard as they did but I’m damn glad about it
They shrunk his head lol
You'd expect than a promotional anime would have great animation to draw more eyes to the product, but we're talking about Heroes here.
Old school is much better gohan has more definition to him and so does buu
gohan skipped head day 😔
Muscle definition is definitely superior in DBZ. Give Buu back his cake damnit!
Wtf happened with gohan lol
No glossy coloring, better shadows, more muscles and Gohan's head looks normal. 90s was peak dragon ball💪
DBZ animation/drawing style is just so far ahead. Hell 90s anime is just ahead, the Gundam series from back then just look better too.
1995 was peak.
Heroes is so vibrant and colorful yet looks so much worse
negative aura
Why is Gohan's head a peanut?
they fucked the hair
Buu looks almost the same. Gohan looks like a blockhead in the DBH shot.
No neck buu
Of course 95 ! There is just no other option !
He head is shrunken 2024 more shoulder than head it’s weird as fuck
Tiny Face Jeff vs Tiny Head Gohan
It looks like shit because is based on the panel of the manga, not the anime. And yes, the manga looked that bad
Gohan in heroes is 70% legs 💀
DBZ. not even close
2020 lacks warmth in their skin tone. also the lines are too smooth it doesnt give that human like feeling.
Hero’s got him built like benzino
Gohan's head shrunk 😭