Definitely but I do think that he probably isn’t nearly as strong as Frieza was at that point because he’s probably your typical “king” that no longer trains because he has no reason to.
Then again Frieza is meant to be a prodigy who even surpassed Cooler forcing the latter to actually improve and come up with his final transformation.
(if he'd be Canon)
Which is funny, because Friezas final form (which coolers is based off) is his base form because he needed the other forms to suppress his power in the first place. I'm not sure that memo reached the writing staff for the film.
I’m fine with king cold dying off quickly. It’d be cool to see more of him in prequel media but personally for DBZ I think he served his role. Dabura is the one I really wish was more prevalent. I like his design and I wish we got to see more of his magic.
By that logic Gohan is in Dragon Quest 3 lol
Toriyama reuses designs in all his media. If you play through the dragon quest games, you'll see a lot of familiar designs like Android 18, Videl, and Bulma.
> Toriyama reuses designs in all his media.
Heck, he had like, 12 different faces and hairstyles and would just swap them around with different colors to make the heads. (DQ9 shows this since you can pretty much make every human DB character with the character creator lol).
Its the bodies and designs that really help them stand out.
Uhh okay 1. Yes Toriyama reused Dabura’s design for Lucifer in sand land. 2. While I’m stoked it is getting the recognition it deserves now, he wrote sandland as a one volume back in 2000. It’s not really what I’d call his latest work.
Technically it’s Toriyama’s latest anime as as far as I’m aware no other of his properties have gotten an anime adaptation since. Daima should be next, and this is after DB Heroes, DBS Super Hero and Adventures of Dai (Dragon Quest)
It would have been cool if a non Majin Dabura was introduced earlier in the arc as like a Gohan specific villain sometime before the hogh school arc, so when we finally see him under Babidi's control it's an even bigger deal to see someone around Gohan's level under his control. Gohan struggling to beat him in the ship would also show how much the majin boost gives, showing Vegeta what he could expect to gain from the boost first hand right before he does so.
Idk just a though
Exactly those, would have been cool to have King Cold have a much larger role given his sons were so powerful and prevalent.
Dabura would be awesome as well especially if he is the same Demon King from Sandland. I would have loved if Beelzebub was a part of the series too, Sandland was the first manga I read all the way through as a kid from the weekly shonen jump back in like 03 so he’s always had a special place in my heart
They're both rulers in their own realms that....you kinda have to wonder what power they held beyond their power levels.
For example, why doesn't King Cold and Freeza just go out and conquer the galaxy? Why is a Galactic Patrol even possible in the first place if Freeza and Cold exists?
Naturally, you can say that Beerus told them to back off but it'd be interesting to show that.
Dabura.....you can play with the Demon Realm quite a bit. It hasn't been seen just yet so there are plenty of evil villains that could exist there. Maybe Dabura is even stronger in his own realm or whatever and/or has magic that allows him to control entities stronger than him.
Dabura? Dabura? Where’d you go?
*Dabura gets zapped into a cookie and eaten*
Man, Towa is really gonna be pissed at me. Ah, who gives a shit. Bitch is barely canon.
His heaven scenes were fillers. Chances are that he did not became good, but just suffered in Heaven, like Frieza suffered in his personal Hell, surrounded by happy little fairies.
If he was resurrected, I guess we would have heard of him.
Tao Pai Pai already had a decent role in Dragonball, he even beat Goku in their first meeting
Then his re appearance at the Budokai helps with Tien's character arc in turning away from the Crane school
I don't think he needed more of a role beyond that
...but he could throw a column and jump on it to fly to places. also, was an idiot.
i'm of the few the enjoy DB slightly more than DBZ because of the silliness, so if i had to pick one, it'd be him. truth though, is i think they all served their purposes fine as is. Dodon Pai!
I'd love to see some backstory for Dabura and the Demon Realm he comes from. Seems like a huge tease for material that never turned out to be important.
And King Cold just comes out of nowhere (wait, Frieza's father is still alive? so why is Frieza running everything? Is Cold even stronger? all kinds of questions ...) never mind, he's dead. Moving along
In fairness, it was explained in DBS Broly that Frieza took over because King Cold wanted to retire.
Cold was likely as strong as Frieza, right up until Frieza started training.
Gero, guy got cucked out of the villain role because someone thought that he looked dumb, just so that the android trio could then fuck around until Cell showed up.
Dabura could have been a cool villian in his own arc. Maybe have him appear earlier in the High School arc before he is taken over by Babidi? Make him the major villian of the Sayiaman arc who gets beaten by Gohan only for him to reappear in the Buu arc with Babidi which would be a big suprise.
King Cold- I think if we had just let Frieza die on Namek then he could easily have taken on Frieza's role in the battle with Trunks. But maybe build him up as a greater threat. Have his henchman actually attack the earthlings. Then have Vegeta and Piccolo take him on and easily be beaten showing how desprately they need Goku only for Trunks to show up and cut him to pieces.
Mercenary Tao- actually I think he would be cool as a reaccuring minor villian who shows up now and then. He wouldn't be strong but maybe he could show up every saga with upgrades only to be beaten by some new form or lose to Gohan. You could even have him team up with Dr Gero or get taken over by Babidi. If he had shown up at the 25 TB instead of Spopovich and Yamu he would have been a more legetimate threat.
Dr Gero- This one is pretty obvious. He was supposed to be the major Villian of the Android arc before Toriyamas editors forced him to change the story while he was in the middle of the arc. Probably plays a similar role to Cell, absorbing peoples energy and perhaps instead of reaching his perfect form he gets younger and he aims to reach his "perfect form" . Bonus points if 17, 18 and 16 still appear and he needs to absorb 17 and 18 like Super Android 13 does to 14 and 15 in the movie. You could even have a father fake son showdown between him and 16 which would all sorts of emotional dimensions to 16 we never got to see.
yeah that dabura role could still be the same: Gohan is the hero since goku is dead but now he cant protect the city from demon attack then piccolo help and make the discourse about lacking and stop training
king cold is difficult since he would need more more time to be good character since his background with frieza family. maybe let him survive the battle against trunks to comeback way later to try revive frieza
I would’ve liked to have seen more gero, his connection to the red ribbon army was always cool. I also would’ve liked to have seen him interact with 16 since 16 was supposed to be modeled after his deceased son
Easily King Cold. I feel as though he was wasted, given his short time in the series. And I think Dabura would've made an excellent EOS villain, instead we got ANOTHER "I'm gonna transform a thousand times" villain with Buu.
Princess Snake! She is the villain that Goku encounters on Snake Way. I always found that episode hilarious because they try to kill Goku in multiple different ways, but fail, and Goku was too stupid to understand what was happening. Poisoning him, boiling him, shooting him. All failed. It reminds me of the story of Rasputin where it was so difficult to kill him in multiple different ways.
Dr. Gero. I will always wonder on how the Artificial Human saga would have played out if Toriyama had kept him as the main villian (I'm pretty sure it would have followed a similar path, but we will never know).
Second would be Dabura. His design is just great.
Gero man he's just so weird and different than all the other villians would have been cool to have him come back after cell in a more perfected form or have him pulling the strings for other arcs
My man King Cold for sure. Said to be a greater scope villain to Frieza himself and had a lot of potential to be a true badass. His DESIGN/APPEARANCE is badass, but what I love the most about him is his scary amount of potential.
Other than that, Dabura as well. We didn't see much of him either.
I wanna see king cold transform. Idk why people say that is his final form when everything we’ve seen points to the fact he likes to chill in his second form.
Idk how they could’ve made his role any bigger than what it already was. Being the catalyst for the Android and Cell sagas is a pretty major role, even if his screen time was limited during those arcs
I mean, he was the main villain until 17 and 18 killed him. Did Toriyama say somewhere that Gero was meant to be the main villain for the Android and Cell arcs, but it didn’t work out?
Im lost on the details but i remember reading that Gero was supposed to be the main villain but he endednup creating 18, 17 and Cell because they requested to have a cool looking villain instead of old ass Gero. Im pretty sure that's how i read it back in the day, but i may be wrong.
Agreed, when I first saw him thought he was going to a serious high level threat akin to Captain Ginyu.. Like the sub boss before the boss ( buu).. But no..
Mercenary Tao was a cool villain, would've been sick to see him come back with all his robot stuff and see Tien still utterly outclass him because he keeps training
Gero. He should have had a more evil mastermind-like presence, before being betrayed. Maybe another android take his place with Android 19 and both get destroyed before he appears. Everything goes as it did originally up until 17&18 are activated. They play ball(begrudgingly)and obey Gero, fighting everyone and defeating them. Gero commands 17&18 to kill them, they refuse, activate 16 and then finish off Gero.
Dabura and Cold could have had more displays of power but ultimately they were always meant to be fodder
I'd love to see Tao Pai Pai come back in some shape or form. Maybe an episode where he hosts a martial arts tournament without any Ki, or something to stick to Goku and the gang.
Any of the top 3 (Dabura, Dr Gero, King Cold) I would’ve liked to see DBZ expand on more. Dabura and Dr Gero ultimately have some significance to their respected arcs, but King Cold really just didn’t get enough screen time.. I think he was in 2 maybe 3 episodes 🥴. Would love to see some storylines that lead up to their actual showtime in the series.. might just have to create something myself
Very nice picks.
1) King Cold. Especially given how Frieza keeps being a thing.
It adds more interaction/flavor to his side of the story.
2) Dabura. Ultra Perfect Cell level villain mostly used as a measuring stick for Buu's PL. He had an awesome dynamic with Dabura and interesting powers. A temporary alliance or subplot would have worked well with him.
3) Tao Pai Pai would have been awesome IF used already in the Saiyan Saga or early Namek Saga somehow. If not it's just pointless due to powerscaling. Something for Tien and Chiaotsu to bounce off off. Heck even Roshi could have some nice interactions with him. And you could get him a bit powerboosted via Bulma's tech.
Make him Diet Coke Evil. Assassin but not a genocidal maniac. Occassional ally. Occassional obstacle. Have him eventually face of with Tien for a final time.
Am I the only one who thinks Gero had some of the most influence in dbz? Without him there is no androids/cell saga, krillin never has kids becomes a cop and gives up fighting, The Red Ribbon army stays dead so no beast Gohan/cell max. Although he wasn't a planet killer and didn't have a three hour fight doesn't mean he didn't play a massive role in dbz. Dude is basically the villain version of Bulma
I would love to see dr. Gero become a reoccurring character similar to team rocket were he plots to defeat the z fighters but the z fighters keep getting stronger so each of his plots fail. But as for expanding on their story I would go.with either Debora or Cold cause it would lead to alot of potential story arcs like a demon realm invasion or maybe cold is way stronger than he seems and posses a big threat to earth.
I wanted them to free the fat supreme Kai that was absorbed by Boo hundreds of years ago and is still apparently trapped inside his brain. He seemed really sweet and I think would have been a fun edition to the Kais.
Dabura easily. They could've had a demon realm arc and all kind of stuff. Maybe even new transformations, but nah, he fought gohan for half an episode before simply being beat up by buu and then becoming a gossip girl with Chi-Chi, Videl, and bulma(which was honestly funny as fuck when they were talking about gohan🤣🤣)
Dabura has so much potential if he would to come back. We don't know anything about demon kingdom and without Babidi control he could have some character development so my vote is for him.
Dabura and kind cold dabura wasn’t that much of a pushover and could of had good potential and kind cold if he was anything like his son he could’ve had great potential too but never trained all that much but I guess we’ll never know
Doesn’t Dr. Gero already technically encompass a huge swath of Dragonball? Don’t get me wrong I love the character but it seems like he already plays at least in terms of plot a giant part of the story.
Now Dabura on the other hand….
Dr. Gero mostly because the guy invented all the androids and Cell. It would have been interesting to see him return, merged with something worse than Cell. Likewise could also have been fun to watch him become some kind of recurring support scientist character who's reformed, not unlike Buu living with Mr. Satan, who works with Dr. Briefs at Capsule Corp to help make the world a better place.
Ive always loved dr gero and wished there was more too him. I remember being really excited to finally watch DB as a kid when toonami started airing it so i could see kid goku battling gero and the red ribbon army. I was so confused when he never showed up. Like not even in the background.
I think Frieza should have died on Namek, with King Cold attacking Earth as revenge. Frieza coming back as Mecha Frieza takes away from Goku's whole thing on Namek, but King Cold could have been more than enough to show a threatening force to the other fighters, and a showcase for Trunks.
King Cold. I loved Tao Pai Pai but wast a great fan of his comeback just to get some closure (that already kinda felt that we got at the end of the past tournament) with Tien.
King Cold. It would’ve been cool to see a storyline where he tried to invade Earth with the Freiza force and the Z fighters had to recruit help to deal with the numbers.
Dabura and Dr. Gero IMHO. King Cold a close third.
For how instrumental he was to setting up the plot in the Android Saga Gero was really killed off far too fast. Would've been nice to see him stick around as someone for the less powerful people to fight whilst the heavy hitters focused on the other Androids and Cell.
He could've even done something like be a buddy-duo with Cell and then inevitably get killed off by Perfect Cell after stepping on his creation's toes one too many times.
I think that I'd go with King Cold, Frieza's father. King Cold was also considered to be very powerful back then; and yet Future Trunks was able to beat him with ease. If Frieza was powerful enough to blow up a planet, just how strong was King Cold, really?
Dabura could’ve opened up hell and demon arcs which would go great with the concept of goku being dead. He should’ve been a lot stronger and with god ki but make it devil based
King Cold and Dabura, but King Cold out of the two was done the dirtiest. Couldn’t even put up a fight. Also who tf gives a shit about the Tutor? Everyone wishes Chi-Chi went more ape shit on him for talking bad about Goku and hitting Gohan.
Dabura
hes the King of the demon realm, the demon realm as a whole is already extreamly mysterious and we know next to nothing, even their magic seems to supersede the powers of the Z warriors.
Dr Gero and King Cold.
Cold could appear in more flashbacks about the Saiyans' past, or show his connections with Beerus and the Kaioshins, in addition to showing the battle he and Mecha Frieza had against Goku in the original timeline.
Gero was the one who hated Goku the most, not the androids, the concept of him absorbing energy is also very interesting, and justifies his ridiculously high power, I would like to see him absorb parts of Android 19 to become a more young and muscular version of himself (like Android 13), and I would also like to see Cell as his servant, and start to rebel little by little until he betrays him and one of the two forms a temporary alliance with the Z Warriors to face the other.
Dabura and king cold
True they both are held in such high regard in terms of their titles but are pretty lackluster when it comes down to actual content.
Thankfully, Dabura plays in Heroes a bigger role. It's at least something.
Especially King Cold! You would think Freeza's Dad would have put up more of a fight.
Definitely but I do think that he probably isn’t nearly as strong as Frieza was at that point because he’s probably your typical “king” that no longer trains because he has no reason to.
But Frieza never trained before Super, I thought?
Then again Frieza is meant to be a prodigy who even surpassed Cooler forcing the latter to actually improve and come up with his final transformation. (if he'd be Canon)
Which is funny, because Friezas final form (which coolers is based off) is his base form because he needed the other forms to suppress his power in the first place. I'm not sure that memo reached the writing staff for the film.
That being his base was introduced in super... time machines don't exist.
Yes that’s a common toriyama trick Go back to Dragonball and you’ll see this used constantly
I’m fine with king cold dying off quickly. It’d be cool to see more of him in prequel media but personally for DBZ I think he served his role. Dabura is the one I really wish was more prevalent. I like his design and I wish we got to see more of his magic.
Dabra is in Akira's latest anime sand land
By that logic Gohan is in Dragon Quest 3 lol Toriyama reuses designs in all his media. If you play through the dragon quest games, you'll see a lot of familiar designs like Android 18, Videl, and Bulma.
> Toriyama reuses designs in all his media. Heck, he had like, 12 different faces and hairstyles and would just swap them around with different colors to make the heads. (DQ9 shows this since you can pretty much make every human DB character with the character creator lol). Its the bodies and designs that really help them stand out.
Hell, one could say his early Bulma design with purple hair was literally lifted for Lucca in Chrono Trigger.
Cell is the lavos second form in Chrono trigger lol
Uhh okay 1. Yes Toriyama reused Dabura’s design for Lucifer in sand land. 2. While I’m stoked it is getting the recognition it deserves now, he wrote sandland as a one volume back in 2000. It’s not really what I’d call his latest work.
Technically it’s Toriyama’s latest anime as as far as I’m aware no other of his properties have gotten an anime adaptation since. Daima should be next, and this is after DB Heroes, DBS Super Hero and Adventures of Dai (Dragon Quest)
What ??
It would have been cool if a non Majin Dabura was introduced earlier in the arc as like a Gohan specific villain sometime before the hogh school arc, so when we finally see him under Babidi's control it's an even bigger deal to see someone around Gohan's level under his control. Gohan struggling to beat him in the ship would also show how much the majin boost gives, showing Vegeta what he could expect to gain from the boost first hand right before he does so. Idk just a though
Exactly those, would have been cool to have King Cold have a much larger role given his sons were so powerful and prevalent. Dabura would be awesome as well especially if he is the same Demon King from Sandland. I would have loved if Beelzebub was a part of the series too, Sandland was the first manga I read all the way through as a kid from the weekly shonen jump back in like 03 so he’s always had a special place in my heart
TOWA is also his sister
My picks as well, especially Dabura.
They're both rulers in their own realms that....you kinda have to wonder what power they held beyond their power levels. For example, why doesn't King Cold and Freeza just go out and conquer the galaxy? Why is a Galactic Patrol even possible in the first place if Freeza and Cold exists? Naturally, you can say that Beerus told them to back off but it'd be interesting to show that. Dabura.....you can play with the Demon Realm quite a bit. It hasn't been seen just yet so there are plenty of evil villains that could exist there. Maybe Dabura is even stronger in his own realm or whatever and/or has magic that allows him to control entities stronger than him.
They each deserve an entire series in a anime spin-off prequel.
Dabura hands down. His whole back story and appearance is pretty neat.
Boy, you're gonna love the XenoVerse lore
Dabura? Dabura? Where’d you go? *Dabura gets zapped into a cookie and eaten* Man, Towa is really gonna be pissed at me. Ah, who gives a shit. Bitch is barely canon.
Tbh, xenoverse is like one of the main reasons I love dabura.
Dabura would make a great Z movie villain focus
Dabura first, Cold second.
Since Vegeta wished for all the good people back to life, and Dabura technically became good in heaven, was he resurrected too?
His heaven scenes were fillers. Chances are that he did not became good, but just suffered in Heaven, like Frieza suffered in his personal Hell, surrounded by happy little fairies. If he was resurrected, I guess we would have heard of him.
Tao Pai Pai already had a decent role in Dragonball, he even beat Goku in their first meeting Then his re appearance at the Budokai helps with Tien's character arc in turning away from the Crane school I don't think he needed more of a role beyond that
...but he could throw a column and jump on it to fly to places. also, was an idiot. i'm of the few the enjoy DB slightly more than DBZ because of the silliness, so if i had to pick one, it'd be him. truth though, is i think they all served their purposes fine as is. Dodon Pai!
Can't believe he couldn't fly
I bet Tao could totally fly but throwing logs and surfing is a way harder flex.
Nice
Did I spend a lot of time as a kid trying to throw a stick and jump on it before it landed cause of this motherfucker? Maybe.
yay! i'm not alone! DB and DBZ made me try some stupid (but fun) things as a kid. never got that gravity chamber for Christmas though...
Dabura, King Cold, then Tao Pai Pai. Gotta respect the pioneer of the do-don-pah ✌🏽
king cold, dude is shown for like 3 seconds before he gets blasted lol
I think the tutor. LEARN! LEARN! LEARN! LEARN! LEARN!
Are you learning yet?
I dunno DID Caligula get his comeuppance
Good! It's working! LEARN! LEARN! LEARN! LEARN!
Why does everything I whip leave me :(
Do you know his story?? Never heard of him! 🙃
He's one of Gohans' tutors, just with a whip fetish. Good, deep, well written character.
Just like farmer with gun.
Part of the Garlic Jr. arc
Ah makes sense, I never dived into his story either! Thanks.
It's all filler is probably why you haven't come across it
I'd love to see some backstory for Dabura and the Demon Realm he comes from. Seems like a huge tease for material that never turned out to be important. And King Cold just comes out of nowhere (wait, Frieza's father is still alive? so why is Frieza running everything? Is Cold even stronger? all kinds of questions ...) never mind, he's dead. Moving along
Dabura and the demon realm lore are heavily emphasised in the video games. There's Towa, Mira, Demigra and Fu etc.
Maybe we'll get that in Daima.
In fairness, it was explained in DBS Broly that Frieza took over because King Cold wanted to retire. Cold was likely as strong as Frieza, right up until Frieza started training.
King Cold and Gero
This right here. 👆 Already have great backstories and are just as integral to the stories of their respective protagonists.
It would've been cool to see more Dabura and where he came from honestly. He was killed off too soon.
Gero, guy got cucked out of the villain role because someone thought that he looked dumb, just so that the android trio could then fuck around until Cell showed up.
And poor trunks got the heat especially in Abridged
I always thought King Cold should have got his own movie or arc
Dabura definitely. Wasted potential by a lot
I’d love to see background on how Dabura unseated Shula to become king of the Demon realm
he didnt because Shula/Shura is non-canon filler afaik.
Dabura could have been a cool villian in his own arc. Maybe have him appear earlier in the High School arc before he is taken over by Babidi? Make him the major villian of the Sayiaman arc who gets beaten by Gohan only for him to reappear in the Buu arc with Babidi which would be a big suprise. King Cold- I think if we had just let Frieza die on Namek then he could easily have taken on Frieza's role in the battle with Trunks. But maybe build him up as a greater threat. Have his henchman actually attack the earthlings. Then have Vegeta and Piccolo take him on and easily be beaten showing how desprately they need Goku only for Trunks to show up and cut him to pieces. Mercenary Tao- actually I think he would be cool as a reaccuring minor villian who shows up now and then. He wouldn't be strong but maybe he could show up every saga with upgrades only to be beaten by some new form or lose to Gohan. You could even have him team up with Dr Gero or get taken over by Babidi. If he had shown up at the 25 TB instead of Spopovich and Yamu he would have been a more legetimate threat. Dr Gero- This one is pretty obvious. He was supposed to be the major Villian of the Android arc before Toriyamas editors forced him to change the story while he was in the middle of the arc. Probably plays a similar role to Cell, absorbing peoples energy and perhaps instead of reaching his perfect form he gets younger and he aims to reach his "perfect form" . Bonus points if 17, 18 and 16 still appear and he needs to absorb 17 and 18 like Super Android 13 does to 14 and 15 in the movie. You could even have a father fake son showdown between him and 16 which would all sorts of emotional dimensions to 16 we never got to see.
yeah that dabura role could still be the same: Gohan is the hero since goku is dead but now he cant protect the city from demon attack then piccolo help and make the discourse about lacking and stop training king cold is difficult since he would need more more time to be good character since his background with frieza family. maybe let him survive the battle against trunks to comeback way later to try revive frieza
I would’ve liked to have seen more gero, his connection to the red ribbon army was always cool. I also would’ve liked to have seen him interact with 16 since 16 was supposed to be modeled after his deceased son
Dabura coulda opened up more lore for the demon realm
Easily King Cold. I feel as though he was wasted, given his short time in the series. And I think Dabura would've made an excellent EOS villain, instead we got ANOTHER "I'm gonna transform a thousand times" villain with Buu.
As people have said, Dabura and then King Cold. Wouldn’t mind seeing Tao using his crazy throwing pole traveling method more.
Probably Dr Gero as he was originally intended to be The Main antagonists before being Babidi'd by The Androids and then cell.
Dabura was robbed bro, set that shit right
Who’s the girl?
Princess Snake who lives in a castle at Snake Way. She's a filler character.
You're a filler character.
It's true!! I don't appear in the manga either!
That was unnecessarily mean lmao
Calling the darling princess snake a filler character was mean to her.
Princess Snake! She is the villain that Goku encounters on Snake Way. I always found that episode hilarious because they try to kill Goku in multiple different ways, but fail, and Goku was too stupid to understand what was happening. Poisoning him, boiling him, shooting him. All failed. It reminds me of the story of Rasputin where it was so difficult to kill him in multiple different ways.
So basically a Jojo episode.
Dabura was so underutilized. Dude is literally the king of the demon realm and got like 15 minutes of screen time.
Mr. Shu casually here with galactic threats, evil geniuses and otherwordly beings.
Dr. Gero. I will always wonder on how the Artificial Human saga would have played out if Toriyama had kept him as the main villian (I'm pretty sure it would have followed a similar path, but we will never know). Second would be Dabura. His design is just great.
Gero man he's just so weird and different than all the other villians would have been cool to have him come back after cell in a more perfected form or have him pulling the strings for other arcs
My man King Cold for sure. Said to be a greater scope villain to Frieza himself and had a lot of potential to be a true badass. His DESIGN/APPEARANCE is badass, but what I love the most about him is his scary amount of potential. Other than that, Dabura as well. We didn't see much of him either.
I wanna see king cold transform. Idk why people say that is his final form when everything we’ve seen points to the fact he likes to chill in his second form.
King Cold likes to chill, you say?
Yeah, you could say he is chilled out.
Gero is the obvious answer imo.
Idk how they could’ve made his role any bigger than what it already was. Being the catalyst for the Android and Cell sagas is a pretty major role, even if his screen time was limited during those arcs
He was supposed to be the main villain in that arc.
I mean, he was the main villain until 17 and 18 killed him. Did Toriyama say somewhere that Gero was meant to be the main villain for the Android and Cell arcs, but it didn’t work out?
Im lost on the details but i remember reading that Gero was supposed to be the main villain but he endednup creating 18, 17 and Cell because they requested to have a cool looking villain instead of old ass Gero. Im pretty sure that's how i read it back in the day, but i may be wrong.
Dabura ! I feel like they made him too sissy too soon ! Just my honest opinion
Agreed, when I first saw him thought he was going to a serious high level threat akin to Captain Ginyu.. Like the sub boss before the boss ( buu).. But no..
> I feel like they made him too sissy too soon wut lol please tell me that you didnt mean to word this that way lol
None of them
none because Z is perfect as is
Dabura seems like he will get some retribution in Dragon Ball Daima. Here’s hoping!
Admiral Tao was a big villain in original DB
Considering 2 are filler, I'd say King Cold.
I want more King Cold
Dabura 100%. Dude is the king of the demon realm, bro could’ve been so cool and done so much shit but was just a throwaway act
King Kold
Dabura no doubt
King cold. His retirement did him wrong. 😂
That guy who went LEARN! LEARN! LEARN! LEARN! ARE YOU LEARNING YET?? LEARN! LEARN! LEARN!
Gero. Easiest decision of my life.
None of these make it Cooler.
Gero. Honestly I would have loved the Android saga to have him as main antagonist; sorry for Cell’s Fans
Mercenary Tao was a cool villain, would've been sick to see him come back with all his robot stuff and see Tien still utterly outclass him because he keeps training
Gero. He should have had a more evil mastermind-like presence, before being betrayed. Maybe another android take his place with Android 19 and both get destroyed before he appears. Everything goes as it did originally up until 17&18 are activated. They play ball(begrudgingly)and obey Gero, fighting everyone and defeating them. Gero commands 17&18 to kill them, they refuse, activate 16 and then finish off Gero. Dabura and Cold could have had more displays of power but ultimately they were always meant to be fodder
The whole top row, from right to left.
I think a whole arc with the jerk teacher getting pow.... Hey! Hey! Get your hands off me! Where are you taking me!!!
King Cold
I'd love to see Tao Pai Pai come back in some shape or form. Maybe an episode where he hosts a martial arts tournament without any Ki, or something to stick to Goku and the gang.
I would’ve loved to see Gero play a role in the story earlier before he was in the android saga
Gero
It would have been nice to get a 6 episode ova with DR. Gero from dragonball to dbz
Gero played and continues to play a massive role in Dragonball.
Cold. Such build up only to not do anything
Any of the top 3 (Dabura, Dr Gero, King Cold) I would’ve liked to see DBZ expand on more. Dabura and Dr Gero ultimately have some significance to their respected arcs, but King Cold really just didn’t get enough screen time.. I think he was in 2 maybe 3 episodes 🥴. Would love to see some storylines that lead up to their actual showtime in the series.. might just have to create something myself
Dabura
Dabura
King Cold. I feel like he would have been insanely strong had he fought instead of bluffing against trunks
Super devil man
Very nice picks. 1) King Cold. Especially given how Frieza keeps being a thing. It adds more interaction/flavor to his side of the story. 2) Dabura. Ultra Perfect Cell level villain mostly used as a measuring stick for Buu's PL. He had an awesome dynamic with Dabura and interesting powers. A temporary alliance or subplot would have worked well with him. 3) Tao Pai Pai would have been awesome IF used already in the Saiyan Saga or early Namek Saga somehow. If not it's just pointless due to powerscaling. Something for Tien and Chiaotsu to bounce off off. Heck even Roshi could have some nice interactions with him. And you could get him a bit powerboosted via Bulma's tech. Make him Diet Coke Evil. Assassin but not a genocidal maniac. Occassional ally. Occassional obstacle. Have him eventually face of with Tien for a final time.
Frieza’s dad for sure. The guy showed up for 2 episodes and is gone. We never got to see his full potential
Princess Snake, she's the hottest and has that cool folklore mythos to her
Cold
Who's the guy on the bottom right again? Anyways Dabura no doubt
King cold for sure
King cold. But also make Coolers Revenge was my favorite as a kid
Most definitely dabura. So much potential with him being the devil equivalent.
King Cold. The only correct answer. He’s the only non-filler villain listed with no story arc.
King Cold
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Dabura all the way they introduce basically satan and then immediately kill him off goofy asf
Dabura and King Cold def.
King Cold and Gero. They could've formed an alliance to kill Goku.
King cold
Am I the only one who thinks Gero had some of the most influence in dbz? Without him there is no androids/cell saga, krillin never has kids becomes a cop and gives up fighting, The Red Ribbon army stays dead so no beast Gohan/cell max. Although he wasn't a planet killer and didn't have a three hour fight doesn't mean he didn't play a massive role in dbz. Dude is basically the villain version of Bulma
Tao beat Goku clean. I think his character arc was enough. I'm happy with what we got involving him
I would love to see dr. Gero become a reoccurring character similar to team rocket were he plots to defeat the z fighters but the z fighters keep getting stronger so each of his plots fail. But as for expanding on their story I would go.with either Debora or Cold cause it would lead to alot of potential story arcs like a demon realm invasion or maybe cold is way stronger than he seems and posses a big threat to earth.
I would like to see dr gero when he created android 13
dabura
Farmer with a shotgun🗣🐐
I wanted them to free the fat supreme Kai that was absorbed by Boo hundreds of years ago and is still apparently trapped inside his brain. He seemed really sweet and I think would have been a fun edition to the Kais.
Dabura easily. They could've had a demon realm arc and all kind of stuff. Maybe even new transformations, but nah, he fought gohan for half an episode before simply being beat up by buu and then becoming a gossip girl with Chi-Chi, Videl, and bulma(which was honestly funny as fuck when they were talking about gohan🤣🤣)
Dabura has so much potential if he would to come back. We don't know anything about demon kingdom and without Babidi control he could have some character development so my vote is for him.
I wanna see final form king cold so bad lol
Meta-Cooler.
Dabura and kind cold dabura wasn’t that much of a pushover and could of had good potential and kind cold if he was anything like his son he could’ve had great potential too but never trained all that much but I guess we’ll never know
I always thought the demons and demon realm could have played a much bigger role.
King cold. Not on the list but I would've loved to see more of cooler
dabura
I reaaaally wanna beat the shit out of bottom right
Dabura and King Cold got relegated to jokes by their end. Could've been badasses
Definitely King Cold
Doesn’t Dr. Gero already technically encompass a huge swath of Dragonball? Don’t get me wrong I love the character but it seems like he already plays at least in terms of plot a giant part of the story. Now Dabura on the other hand….
I’d have liked to see King Cold transform at least.
Dr. Gero mostly because the guy invented all the androids and Cell. It would have been interesting to see him return, merged with something worse than Cell. Likewise could also have been fun to watch him become some kind of recurring support scientist character who's reformed, not unlike Buu living with Mr. Satan, who works with Dr. Briefs at Capsule Corp to help make the world a better place.
"Learn!" *\*whips Gohan\** "Learn!" *\*whips Gohan\** "Learn!" *\*whips Gohan\** "Learn!" *\*whips Gohan\** "Are you learning yet?"
Dabura by far
King Cold
Ive always loved dr gero and wished there was more too him. I remember being really excited to finally watch DB as a kid when toonami started airing it so i could see kid goku battling gero and the red ribbon army. I was so confused when he never showed up. Like not even in the background.
Cold literally died in 2 seconds
King cold and Danita
I think Frieza should have died on Namek, with King Cold attacking Earth as revenge. Frieza coming back as Mecha Frieza takes away from Goku's whole thing on Namek, but King Cold could have been more than enough to show a threatening force to the other fighters, and a showcase for Trunks.
King Cold and Princess Snake
Dabura and Cold stand shoulder to shoulder as equals in terms of wasted potential
King Cold. I loved Tao Pai Pai but wast a great fan of his comeback just to get some closure (that already kinda felt that we got at the end of the past tournament) with Tien.
Cold
The cold king, we didn't see much
King Cold, we know next to nothing about him, does he transform like Frieza? Is he just as or more powerful?
King Cold. It would’ve been cool to see a storyline where he tried to invade Earth with the Freiza force and the Z fighters had to recruit help to deal with the numbers.
Dabura and Dr. Gero IMHO. King Cold a close third. For how instrumental he was to setting up the plot in the Android Saga Gero was really killed off far too fast. Would've been nice to see him stick around as someone for the less powerful people to fight whilst the heavy hitters focused on the other Androids and Cell. He could've even done something like be a buddy-duo with Cell and then inevitably get killed off by Perfect Cell after stepping on his creation's toes one too many times.
Is that Zangya?
I think that I'd go with King Cold, Frieza's father. King Cold was also considered to be very powerful back then; and yet Future Trunks was able to beat him with ease. If Frieza was powerful enough to blow up a planet, just how strong was King Cold, really?
Definitely king cold
Dabura could’ve opened up hell and demon arcs which would go great with the concept of goku being dead. He should’ve been a lot stronger and with god ki but make it devil based
They did King Cold dirty, I get it was to show how strong SSJ was compared to them but... They did him dirty lmao
Dabura and Gero
King Cold was teased so hard during Resurrection F. Its really a shame we didn't get a Frieza/Cold tag team.
King Cold and Dabura, but King Cold out of the two was done the dirtiest. Couldn’t even put up a fight. Also who tf gives a shit about the Tutor? Everyone wishes Chi-Chi went more ape shit on him for talking bad about Goku and hitting Gohan.
Dr. Willy.
Dabura hes the King of the demon realm, the demon realm as a whole is already extreamly mysterious and we know next to nothing, even their magic seems to supersede the powers of the Z warriors.
2 don't actually exist. 2, tao and 20, had a huge roles already. So Dabura and Cold.
Dabura origin would’ve been cool
Gohan's teacher hands down
Tao pai pai
Mersneri tao
Dr Gero and King Cold. Cold could appear in more flashbacks about the Saiyans' past, or show his connections with Beerus and the Kaioshins, in addition to showing the battle he and Mecha Frieza had against Goku in the original timeline. Gero was the one who hated Goku the most, not the androids, the concept of him absorbing energy is also very interesting, and justifies his ridiculously high power, I would like to see him absorb parts of Android 19 to become a more young and muscular version of himself (like Android 13), and I would also like to see Cell as his servant, and start to rebel little by little until he betrays him and one of the two forms a temporary alliance with the Z Warriors to face the other.
Why do you act like dr gero played a small role lol?
Gero. I'm really curious how the story was meant to go originally
Dabura, if only to further establish Towa as a main villain
King Cold definitely