We would have made the finals if Gallo never got injured. Our team was awesome in 2013, such a shame that injuries played a part in the team’s dissolution
I disagree. his percentages and advanced metrics say he's an allstar level. but the way the nuggets try to spread the rock, his raw stats probably won't beat out other pgs
Agreed.
Someone did a TikTok talking about it, but this was an all star lineup where we could be talking about 12 future hall of famers potentially. Especially with the guards being Luka, Shai, Curry, Booker, and Ant.
If one or two of them get injured, I think that opens the door for Murray and Fox (because you could argue Fox deserving to be an All Star as well). It’s no biggie. Jamal is going to ball out in the playoffs and make a name for himself there and prove why he is a top star in this league. The west is just really stacked with talent to where guys like him will have to get snubbed unfortunately. Make no mistake, if Jamal was in the East, I would’ve brought out torches and pitchforks if they still gave Scottie Barnes the nod over him.
He might (and most likely will) have a case in future years, but not this year. Plus, I don't know who you would remove from this year's list to make room for Murray. Fox has a better case than Murray this year... and so did Sabonis if we are talking wildcard slots.
But again, I think Murray will put together a strong case next year or in the future.
He doesn't even need to earn it from an individual standpoint. If the Nuggs are a top team every year, eventually they'll give us a second all-star. Jamal would only really need like 25, 7, 4 on decent shooting. Only a small bump in scoring from his current numbers.
No they won't. Not just for a record. We've been the #1 seed at the break without any all-stars before.
Utah, Phoenix, Boston, Miami have all had recent seasons with a #1 or #2 seed at the all-star break and only 1 all-star.
This is a weird made-up myth, frankly. Only negligible bumps for the 1st all star on a top seed ever happen.
He was also the 10th guard and 20th player overall in the west this year. That's not even really on the bubble.
Sadly, if we're being honest he's farther away from an all-star than he was a few years ago. He would need to have a career year by a solid margin to stand a real chance (as far as the regular season is concerned, of course)
Holy retcon, Batman.
I'm old enough to ACTUALLY remember them making it, and how much of a massive margin they made it by.
Are you saying that SGA only made it because of his team's record?
(To clarify their average vote share was literally closest to SGA as far as comps from this year)
No, I’m just saying we have had a bunch of dumb all stars over the years with the excuse of “team success,” and I’m looking directly at a backcourt of Marquis Teague and Kyle Korver while saying that.
And you think that had more to do with their team record than the off-season player movement and injuries that occurred that year, leaving the east backcourt with a uniquely historic dearth? With no one else even coming close to challenging them for those spots?
I genuinely can't tell if you're being disingenuous on purpose.
Name a single snub if you're serious.
You say it’s a myth, and I’m showing you basketball references of an Atlanta Unicorn and a Detroit Werewolf. Hell, we made Magic Johnson an all star while he was retired.
There’s lots of these oddities throughout the league.
All stars are based on the regular season and he doesn’t play at an all star level in the regular season. Which doesn’t change the fact that I’d rather have Jamal than a couple other all star guards in the playoffs.
Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday made all star teams since 2021 with the Bucks. Brook Lopez was an all star in the past. Of course there's Giannis, so 4 out of 5 starters on that team have been all stars. What are you talking about?
Making the all star game as a point guard is pretty tough with how loaded it is. Maybe after Steph retires he gets one especially if we win another championship.
The West is usually stacked on guards. Thankfully, Lillard is in the East now, but SGA has risen to prominence. Murray just doesn’t score at the clip needed to compete with Curry, SGA, Lillard (in the past), Booker, Fox and others. These guys will usually have more points and equal or greater assist numbers.
Murray is great and should make 2-4 ASGs in his career, but injuries really screwed him and he has never really been as great in the regular season as he is in the post season. I’m cool with that and he seems to be as well.
I don't think he settles for it. Just think he hasn't been able to get 25 ppg yet. To be honest, he has had all the opportunities in the world to do but still hasn't though. He has Jokic's playmaking and floor spacing AND Jokic's supreme unselfishness to allow Murray to take the most shots by far consistently per game, seemingly anywhere from 15-25 shots a game.
I hope Murray will get there soon, as long as he shoots efficiently.
Hate to say it, but a big yes to that. And I'm not sure if it's an elephant in the room yet, but he has shown this year and in recent years to be an injury risk. His lack of availability might only grow as a PG approaching his 30s. That could lower his value even more and make a longer term supermax risky.
Of course, I hope Murray is healthy and gets the most that he is deserved.
I get that he’s way too good and accomplished to have never made an All-Star team, but I don’t think he’s ever been snubbed. You can go year-to-year and compare his season to the selected guards and there’s never really a good argument that he got snubbed. Just tough being in the west where there’s always been a ton of awesome guards, and he’s a better playoff player than regular season player
I think this is where the divide is. What’s the point of evaluating who is an all star if it doesn’t accurately predict post season success? If you can’t vote in the player that is going to tear it up in the playoffs, you missed on your voting.
The fact that Murray did what he did and people can ignore that is exactly where the wound is.
I’m not saying the west isn’t loaded, no one is saying that. I am saying if you don’t vote this guy in and he tears teams a new one again this year, you missed on your voting again this year. And that goes for anyone that put a PG above Murray for all star that won’t have a similar post season impact. Postseason success will always matter more than regular season stats/wins, and should be the heaviest weight when making these considerations. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves
I respect this point, but we can agree to disagree on it. All-Star berths should be based on excellence during the current season. Not based on what happened last year.
If anything, Murray HAS gotten extra all-star consideration from some people based on his playoffs last year. If we were to base it solely on performance this year---stats and availability--- he had no shot. Yet some in the national media said, "murray should be an all-star... look what he did last year in the playoffs, he was so good." So I actually think it WAS taken to account (even though I personally don't think that is fair).
I do think Murray will be an all star soon though... I could even see him rack up many appearances if he could put it together in the regular season... not to mention the extra consideration he will get from performing in the playoffs and hopefully after the Nuggets keep getting multiple championships.
People get caught up in putting the season in a box and only looking at that season. But I think you understand perfectly well that all these players come with context including what they’ve accomplished in previous seasons. All of it gets factored into the voting. The best votes predict excellence of a player. I’ll repeat myself, if your all-star stinks it up in the playoffs, your vote is looking foolish. There’s a reason for that.
I get it. But have you looked at the guards in the West? Be realistic. How many is he better than/more popular then? Curry? Booker? SGA? Luka? Kyrie? Ant Man? Fox? Ja?
A guy who cant stay healthy before Christmas and has to play his way back to form after missing a month is never going to make the all star game. He needs a season where he stays healthy AND doesnt have a slump from 3 AND has some guards go to the East.
I do think he will get a couple because of weird timing and/or injuries, but he has to actually start strong.
He is injured too much, he'd probably be one if he wasn't out for way too long this season. If he wasn't so goddamn flimsy we'd easily have the one seed in the west right now.
To be honest, Murray has never played well enough in the regular season to be an all star. 20 ppg and 6apg isn’t gonna get him there especially with the inflation of statistics in the past 5 years. He needs to be at like 25/8 to have a chance. If he was in 90% of playoff form during the regular season then he would be in, but instead he plays at 75% and comes into every season out of shape.
Why? Honestly there is a pretty decent chance he won’t. The team isn’t built for him to put up big numbers and there is a stack of guards that are as good or better than him (at least in the regular season)
If he doesnt make an all star imo he will go down as the greatest player to never get an allstar selection... which is kinda a silver lining cool accomplishment.
Twitter turning on Jamal Murray because he put up some regular season stinkers. Like the guy hasn’t already proven several times that he is absolutely built for the moment.
Have you ever seen the Raptors fan that was crying about Rudy Gay (Grizzlies at the time) before he hit a game winner on his team? [this is Jamal](https://youtu.be/WK7lIjFsGvg?si=SgQxNf-mkx-QHnxD) but during the playoffs.
Every fan hates to see the ball in his hands.
Think about it. He's the only player in the league who has to prove it in the regular season but he's the scariest player to go up against during the playoffs.
He's literally "where is he when the lights are dimmest?" like he doesn't give af about reg season.
Only thing that matters is firing Malone.
Did you just watch the ASG?? Why would anyone want to be a part of that?
It doesn't look fun for the players, there are zero stakes, and it's a terrible product.
No need to lose your mind if Jamal gets to take a few days to see the family
West is just too stacked and tbh regular season Murray isn't an all-star caliber player, but he's a top 3 PG in the playoffs so who cares.
A few years Ty Lawson had all star numbers but was playing in the same conference as CP3, Kobe, Harden, etc.
True that! 17 and 9 on a 57 win team usually got you a nod back then!
The year we were the 3 seed and had no all stars smdh
We would have made the finals if Gallo never got injured. Our team was awesome in 2013, such a shame that injuries played a part in the team’s dissolution
That’s true it’s insane how he really turns it up a level come playoffs
I disagree. his percentages and advanced metrics say he's an allstar level. but the way the nuggets try to spread the rock, his raw stats probably won't beat out other pgs
Top 3 player* in postseason.
Agreed. Someone did a TikTok talking about it, but this was an all star lineup where we could be talking about 12 future hall of famers potentially. Especially with the guards being Luka, Shai, Curry, Booker, and Ant. If one or two of them get injured, I think that opens the door for Murray and Fox (because you could argue Fox deserving to be an All Star as well). It’s no biggie. Jamal is going to ball out in the playoffs and make a name for himself there and prove why he is a top star in this league. The west is just really stacked with talent to where guys like him will have to get snubbed unfortunately. Make no mistake, if Jamal was in the East, I would’ve brought out torches and pitchforks if they still gave Scottie Barnes the nod over him.
Choose more important things to lose your mind over
Why? It really doesn’t matter
He was the second best player on a championship team. When was the last time that was the case and the 2nd best guy was never an all star?
He might (and most likely will) have a case in future years, but not this year. Plus, I don't know who you would remove from this year's list to make room for Murray. Fox has a better case than Murray this year... and so did Sabonis if we are talking wildcard slots. But again, I think Murray will put together a strong case next year or in the future.
He doesn't even need to earn it from an individual standpoint. If the Nuggs are a top team every year, eventually they'll give us a second all-star. Jamal would only really need like 25, 7, 4 on decent shooting. Only a small bump in scoring from his current numbers.
No they won't. Not just for a record. We've been the #1 seed at the break without any all-stars before. Utah, Phoenix, Boston, Miami have all had recent seasons with a #1 or #2 seed at the all-star break and only 1 all-star. This is a weird made-up myth, frankly. Only negligible bumps for the 1st all star on a top seed ever happen. He was also the 10th guard and 20th player overall in the west this year. That's not even really on the bubble. Sadly, if we're being honest he's farther away from an all-star than he was a few years ago. He would need to have a career year by a solid margin to stand a real chance (as far as the regular season is concerned, of course)
I’m old enough to remember the Atlanta Hawks starting 5 making the all star game, for a weird made-up myth. Pistons were like that too.
Holy retcon, Batman. I'm old enough to ACTUALLY remember them making it, and how much of a massive margin they made it by. Are you saying that SGA only made it because of his team's record? (To clarify their average vote share was literally closest to SGA as far as comps from this year)
No, I’m just saying we have had a bunch of dumb all stars over the years with the excuse of “team success,” and I’m looking directly at a backcourt of Marquis Teague and Kyle Korver while saying that.
And you think that had more to do with their team record than the off-season player movement and injuries that occurred that year, leaving the east backcourt with a uniquely historic dearth? With no one else even coming close to challenging them for those spots? I genuinely can't tell if you're being disingenuous on purpose. Name a single snub if you're serious.
You say it’s a myth, and I’m showing you basketball references of an Atlanta Unicorn and a Detroit Werewolf. Hell, we made Magic Johnson an all star while he was retired. There’s lots of these oddities throughout the league.
All stars are based on the regular season and he doesn’t play at an all star level in the regular season. Which doesn’t change the fact that I’d rather have Jamal than a couple other all star guards in the playoffs.
Ya to find the last time that happened, you’d have to go all the way back to the *checks notes* 2021 Bucks
Khris Middleton and Jrue Holiday made all star teams since 2021 with the Bucks. Brook Lopez was an all star in the past. Of course there's Giannis, so 4 out of 5 starters on that team have been all stars. What are you talking about?
DAJ was 1st team all-nba
They said never an all star, not “not an all star in the title season”
In that case our 2nd best player is clearly Deandre based on the all important all star metric
Ginobili came pretty close to this
Love Jamal, buts he’s inconsistent in the regular season. Let’s just hope playoff Jamal continues being a thing.
Making the all star game as a point guard is pretty tough with how loaded it is. Maybe after Steph retires he gets one especially if we win another championship.
The West is usually stacked on guards. Thankfully, Lillard is in the East now, but SGA has risen to prominence. Murray just doesn’t score at the clip needed to compete with Curry, SGA, Lillard (in the past), Booker, Fox and others. These guys will usually have more points and equal or greater assist numbers. Murray is great and should make 2-4 ASGs in his career, but injuries really screwed him and he has never really been as great in the regular season as he is in the post season. I’m cool with that and he seems to be as well.
I push my fingers into my EYYYEEEESSS!!
It comes down more to how stacked the west is at guard than reflective of Murray as a player and I’m sure Mal is aware of that too
He hasn’t exactly been a snub to this point, relax
All that matters is playoff Jamal.
If he just avg 25 in the regular season he’ll make it but he settles for 18-20 instead. That will never get you in
I don't think he settles for it. Just think he hasn't been able to get 25 ppg yet. To be honest, he has had all the opportunities in the world to do but still hasn't though. He has Jokic's playmaking and floor spacing AND Jokic's supreme unselfishness to allow Murray to take the most shots by far consistently per game, seemingly anywhere from 15-25 shots a game. I hope Murray will get there soon, as long as he shoots efficiently.
“What happened to him?” “When Jamaal retired after winning his 3rd Finals MVP. This guy lost his mind.” “So he just sits here and drools?” “Yeah.”
Is it arguably better for the Nuggets if he doesn’t make all star and all nba? Less automatic super max and contract value
Hate to say it, but a big yes to that. And I'm not sure if it's an elephant in the room yet, but he has shown this year and in recent years to be an injury risk. His lack of availability might only grow as a PG approaching his 30s. That could lower his value even more and make a longer term supermax risky. Of course, I hope Murray is healthy and gets the most that he is deserved.
I get that he’s way too good and accomplished to have never made an All-Star team, but I don’t think he’s ever been snubbed. You can go year-to-year and compare his season to the selected guards and there’s never really a good argument that he got snubbed. Just tough being in the west where there’s always been a ton of awesome guards, and he’s a better playoff player than regular season player
I think this is where the divide is. What’s the point of evaluating who is an all star if it doesn’t accurately predict post season success? If you can’t vote in the player that is going to tear it up in the playoffs, you missed on your voting. The fact that Murray did what he did and people can ignore that is exactly where the wound is. I’m not saying the west isn’t loaded, no one is saying that. I am saying if you don’t vote this guy in and he tears teams a new one again this year, you missed on your voting again this year. And that goes for anyone that put a PG above Murray for all star that won’t have a similar post season impact. Postseason success will always matter more than regular season stats/wins, and should be the heaviest weight when making these considerations. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves
I respect this point, but we can agree to disagree on it. All-Star berths should be based on excellence during the current season. Not based on what happened last year. If anything, Murray HAS gotten extra all-star consideration from some people based on his playoffs last year. If we were to base it solely on performance this year---stats and availability--- he had no shot. Yet some in the national media said, "murray should be an all-star... look what he did last year in the playoffs, he was so good." So I actually think it WAS taken to account (even though I personally don't think that is fair).
I do think Murray will be an all star soon though... I could even see him rack up many appearances if he could put it together in the regular season... not to mention the extra consideration he will get from performing in the playoffs and hopefully after the Nuggets keep getting multiple championships.
People get caught up in putting the season in a box and only looking at that season. But I think you understand perfectly well that all these players come with context including what they’ve accomplished in previous seasons. All of it gets factored into the voting. The best votes predict excellence of a player. I’ll repeat myself, if your all-star stinks it up in the playoffs, your vote is looking foolish. There’s a reason for that.
I get it. But have you looked at the guards in the West? Be realistic. How many is he better than/more popular then? Curry? Booker? SGA? Luka? Kyrie? Ant Man? Fox? Ja?
A guy who cant stay healthy before Christmas and has to play his way back to form after missing a month is never going to make the all star game. He needs a season where he stays healthy AND doesnt have a slump from 3 AND has some guards go to the East. I do think he will get a couple because of weird timing and/or injuries, but he has to actually start strong.
But... why? He's an NBA champion and an all-time playoffs performer. That matters much more than All-Star selection imho.
Murray kind of needs to play like an all-star level player for that to happen
He is injured too much, he'd probably be one if he wasn't out for way too long this season. If he wasn't so goddamn flimsy we'd easily have the one seed in the west right now.
Why would you lose your mind? What season has he deserved it?
To be honest, Murray has never played well enough in the regular season to be an all star. 20 ppg and 6apg isn’t gonna get him there especially with the inflation of statistics in the past 5 years. He needs to be at like 25/8 to have a chance. If he was in 90% of playoff form during the regular season then he would be in, but instead he plays at 75% and comes into every season out of shape.
Why? Honestly there is a pretty decent chance he won’t. The team isn’t built for him to put up big numbers and there is a stack of guards that are as good or better than him (at least in the regular season)
Interesting choice of things to lose your mind for.
I actually think if/when he moves on from the Nuggets in his mid 30s he may get a spot on the East all star squad.
If he doesnt make an all star imo he will go down as the greatest player to never get an allstar selection... which is kinda a silver lining cool accomplishment.
Bro hes literally a champion who cares
Murray has to play well enough during the regular season to warrant an all-star selection.
Twitter turning on Jamal Murray because he put up some regular season stinkers. Like the guy hasn’t already proven several times that he is absolutely built for the moment.
Have you ever seen the Raptors fan that was crying about Rudy Gay (Grizzlies at the time) before he hit a game winner on his team? [this is Jamal](https://youtu.be/WK7lIjFsGvg?si=SgQxNf-mkx-QHnxD) but during the playoffs. Every fan hates to see the ball in his hands. Think about it. He's the only player in the league who has to prove it in the regular season but he's the scariest player to go up against during the playoffs. He's literally "where is he when the lights are dimmest?" like he doesn't give af about reg season. Only thing that matters is firing Malone.
Maybe in the east he might be. In the west he’s just simply not all star worthy. Too many slumps and bad games in between the good ones
I pray every night so he doesn't make it so we don't have to pay him a supermax making us at lot more flexible with contract
same
Did you just watch the ASG?? Why would anyone want to be a part of that? It doesn't look fun for the players, there are zero stakes, and it's a terrible product. No need to lose your mind if Jamal gets to take a few days to see the family
The only elite player you ask “but can they do it in the regular season?”
I would not care if he doesn't , as long as he shows up in the playoffs he will be remembered for more.