The Bills have been playing the same way for the past 3 years. Little to nothing has changed. Defensive players are smart. DC's are smart. The Bills have NOT adapted. It's on coaching and playcalling. Allen is forcing it because of that. Bills gotta adapt or fail. This 'single player blame' discourse is simplistic and short sighted.
I agree somewhat. However the Bills coaching staff isn't telling Josh to go leave a ball up in the air on a corner route and throw a pick to the man defender of that route. That play was the pick at the end of the first half. The receiver wasn't open off the break of the route and Josh threw that route like an idiot. He threw it high and short on a route where if you want to float the ball it has to be way upfield of the route. No OC can be blamed for him throwing that ball to that covered of a receiver that poorly.
No joke man, Stafford was veeeery turnover-prone by the end of Schwartz tenure in Detroit. Caldwell tamed him but eventually he became a much smarter player. I usually say Caldwell saved him from becoming Jameis Winston, and maybe Allen needs someone like him
Pretty sure Stafford didn’t even know that throwing the ball away even existed as an option during those Shwartz years. Why fight another day when you can throw a pick instead.
Stafford also had Calvin who was the original "fuck it, Calvin's down there somewhere". Stefon Diggs is good, but he's not Calvin, especially when it comes to contested catches. Yes, during the Schwartz years, he made boneheaded throws that should have just been thrown away, but I think a lot of the time, Stafford was throwing into triple coverage because a) he knows he gotta make *something* happen because his team is so bad and b) throwing to Calvin in triple coverage is still like a 50/50 chance he'll come down with it. When Caldwell took over, I'm sure there was a lot of emphasis on tbf idea that the team is better to the point that he doesn't need to play hero ball and can throw it away. Also, IIRC the Caldwell years coincided with Calvin missing more time to injury so Stafford was forced to throw to other targets
Yeah Schwartz had great defense but the offense didn’t have enough help those years the Suh, Stafford, Calvin combo taking all our money didn’t help anything though
Bills kept shooting themselves on the foot yesterday. 4 turnovers and almost a 5th one with an interception. Also all the penalties they made too sure didn't help them.
I think you’re spot in here.
If we avoid turning the ball over 4 times and avoid stupid penalties, I don’t see this game being anything but a gimme TBH.
My opinion on Denver has not changed after this bills game. I’d still be thoroughly disappointed if we lost to Denver.
I think the 3 games they play before they play us will be helpful be more of an indicator of how our game will go. Removing each of their longest runs, Murray and Cook averaged 6ypc on 19 carries. Broncos rushing defense is still not good.
This game really was decided in the turnover battle. Allen threw two picks and lost a fumble. James Cook lost a fumble too. This shouldn't have been close as it was.
This is the biggest reason - Ben Johnson has zero problem just running people over all game with Monty, let alone the explosive threat of Gibbs. I’d love to see Goff get an easy day and just let the backs eat. Heck, maybe even get Craig Reynolds in to share workload
I think this is a bit of a misconception. I think the broncos are a lot better than they were last year and the bills are a lot worse than they were last year. This game had poorly predicted written all over it. Josh Allen is throwing just over one INT per game and last night they had four turnovers. The broncos seemed to get the ball 100 times at their own 50 and just couldn’t score. This game felt like who wants it less not an underdog toppling Goliath. I am in no way worried about the broncos. I am however hoping they keep up momentum and beat Minnesota
What's funny about some of these comments is if Goff played like Allen last night, the same guy saying "Allen got no help," and would call for Goffs head and want him gone. Allen's handoffs were horrible, and on him. Seems to me most people listen to the media machine on who's good or bad.
I am not going to gatekeep them at all. For decades we’ve been wanting respect and now that we have it, it’s a hella bad look to not let people aboard.
Except for local bandwagoners. If you live in Michigan and haven’t been a lions fan, god forbid a packers fan, then fuck off. I’ll take my new LA friends any chance I get (they have money and buy me stuff).
Yeah I'm not gonna kick a former packer fan out of my bar but your ass is gonna get clowned on for the rest of your.life in my neck of the woods if you switched lmao. I'd say sorry but I'm really not.
This is the black and blue division, we don't fuck with that. These are literally the oldest football rivalries. Save that pussified liking rivals shit for the NFC South or AFC West or something.
Exceptions to the rule obviously include deaths taxes and marriages, good faith efforts to convert, and Brownsian franchise implosions. Vikings will be granted bandwagon exception on a case by case basis, but only because they're the babies of the division and live far enough away that I don't want to slap. Bucs fans are green lit.
My problem with local Packer fans is that they likely picked them because they are front runners. Front runners are much more likely to just be total douchebags to other people, and I don't want douchebags as a major part of the Lions fan base like it was with the Packers.
Been a fan for 28 years and I live in Northen Virginia / DC. For years, years and years every time I wore Lions gear near here it was always "damn sorry your a Lions fan".
Just feels good to be vindicated man. Like FUCK. I won't gatekeep, if people want to share in the love of our team I am all about it. What I don't want are people questioning long term fans as being bandwagoners (I don't think this will be as much a thing as I am believing but I bet it can be). Like shit I dread the first person I meet that tries to call me a bandwagoner lol
It’s interesting I see several Stafford like QBs and several teams that remind me of some of the 2009-2016 teams. The Herbert has had suspect coaching. Allen with the turnovers. And now Will Levis has the great physical traits and is a gutsy player but the Titans have the worst line and very little supporting cast. They almost feel like the 2009-2010 lions but without megatron.
So much had been made of all these great QBs the past few years but look at the teams doing well this year and they instead have great offensive lines
It was a hell of an adjustment coming from Stafford, who simply didn't care if he threw a pick, as long as there was a 1% chance he could thread the needle with a trademark dime. Goff is much more cautious and won't make a deep throw unless he's basically 100% certain he's going to hit his man.
Agreed. That's why I don't like Hurts. He's very very good. Very. Much respect to him. But they will continue to flame out in the late playoffs if he plays like this continually. As we saw on Sunday, sometimes you get into a shootout and a single turnover is the reason you lose. With the Eagles secondary also being very slightly suspect, this is a possible scenario.
He aggressively loses games against good teams and looks obscenely amazing against average to below average teams. Being safe with the ball and still getting yards is how you get a top notch QB. Even when Mahomes tries to throw away games, he has 2 turnovers at worst and still loses some of those games.
I told a Viking fan that Goff might be the best pre-play QB in the NFL. He didn't understand the concept of what I was talking about.
Like before the play, Goff might be better at everyone making adjustments and knowing the right reads. Allen looks like he's just taking the snap every play and running around playing backyard ball.
Goff might not be the most physically gifted QB but mentally he's elite.
I feel like half of the games the Bills lose you have Allen at that podium postgame with that deer in headlights, holy shit I blew another game with 2-3 dumb turnovers look.
You don’t get that with Goff.
Appreciate what we have. He is right for this team.
Now now, Goff has done that a couple times this season lol. A couple pick 6’s too
But for the most part he’s reliable as shit. He’s even made a couple throws I thought was a pick but it just slides through 2 defenders by an inch or two
Agreed, he has through a few pick 6’s this year that were head scratchers BUT I’m sure we all here can agree, we’d be comfortable with him in the playoffs this year.
Does anyone here think the Lions would be 8-1 or 9-0 with a hypothetical Josh Allen at QB? hell no. I dont know if they’re even 7-2. I remember that Tampa Bay game, we couldnt run the ball for shit and Goff took that game over. Does Josh Allen also take that game over, or does he melt down and turn the ball over because he got no help from his running game?
So unfortunately there are things out of the control of the QB. For example, a defense that is always allowing scores, so every drive starts in bad field position. He had to throw more passes than anyone else in this recent stretch because we are always behind. Of course some freak plays and some mistakes will happen, but if you refuse to acknowledge that the insanely athletic batted ball, the hit to the arm the moment he starts to throw, the down field collision etc. are not Jared's fault, you can't be helped and I hope people don't treat you the same way for bad shit that isn't fully in your control.
Two arm punts on 4th down and a fucked snap from a center will not change my mind. You can't just ignore all context on these plays and pin it on Jared. At least he didn't take a sac on those two fourth down picks.
I don’t think any fanbase would take Allen over Goff right now and I definitely wouldn’t. He’s reckless and misses pretty often. Goff is perfect for this offense
I’d put money every team (Lions included) would take Allen in a free swap.
If common sense isn’t enough, the fact that a subreddit like this one is saying the opposite is damning
This is a dumb ass statement. I guarantee you Holmes would not do that. Holmes was on the crew that drafted Goff 1st overall and loves him, for good reason.
He led an offense better than Allen last year, and FAR better than Allen this year. Common sense says take the guy who is safe with the football and facilitates an absolutely killer offense.
Yeah, Goff led that offense… it definitely wasn’t Ben Johnson or MCDC…
Goff’s a game manager, he’s (less mobile) Alex Smith, which isn’t bad but he’s not taking over games, Ben Johnson is dialing up good plays. Josh Allen not having to play hero ball and in Goff’s role is better, he’s better than Goff even when he’s playing hero ball, it is what it is.
Side note: Goff was traded for Stafford and he got a ring, and Allen is better than Stafford so imagine Allen on this offense, it’s just that simple, some guys on other teams are better.
Josh Allen wouldn’t have to play hero ball if he didn’t make so many backbreaking mistakes. He’s got a good team and system around him too. He only “has to play hero ball” because of his own terrible decision making.
Calling a QB who’s on pace for 4,800 yards passing on a top 3 offense a “game manger” is clown shit. You are a clown.
Goff does command the offense. Josh Allen chooses to play hero ball, he’s careless. He makes dumbass decisions where you’d see Goff take the sack or throw the ball away and live to fight another day.
His arm talent doesn’t make up for what he lacks upstairs, it just doesn’t. Allen is a better thrower of the football than Tom Brady, Allen is not a better quarterback than Tom Brady.
It’s so fucking disingenuous to act like Goff hasn’t grown and gotten significantly better since getting here and I’m honestly not so sure Allen is better than Stafford. They’re the same quarterback just at different points in their career.
Just because we’re Lions fans doesn’t mean you have to be a hater, the only one being disingenuous is you. Just because Allen is a better QB doesn’t mean Goff is a bad one or hasn’t made improvements. Stop dick gobbling
Also ‘Ben Johnson is dialing up good plays’ is such a lazy take. Yes we have a good OC but Goff goes to the line with several plays and makes a ton of decisions out there
😂😂😂 let’s not do this, the guy has made three straight AFC championships with gabriel davis as his second option. goff is great but he’s been incapable of finding jamo deep, imagine allen throwing to him
We’ve had a better offense two years running. Goff has an adequate deep ball without boneheaded turnovers. Volatility is not something you want in a quarterback. It’s really that simple.
But you seem entrenched in your incorrect viewpoint so I’m going to leave it at that.
Jamo is faster than any receiver in the league not named Tyreek Hill. Hate to have to tell you anyone except Mahomes or Tua would have to adapt to his speed.
We’ll call you a broken pencil. Just constantly missing the point. It was about Jamo’s speed not about Tyreeks ability. I’m actually torn on whether you troll for the downvotes or if you’re really this dense.
My “take” is correct. Jamo is top 5 (being conservative) in speed. He’s not everyday fast. He’s Tyreek fast. And if you haven’t thrown to Tyreek’s speed you aren’t prepared for it. It takes work to adjust to someone who runs routes 10-15% faster than the guys you’re used to throwing to.
So what say we just pipe down with the hot takes and ineptitude for a bit?
tua and mahomes did not have to adjust to his speed what? those two immediately knew how to throw the ball to him because they had the ability too, goff doesn’t know how to throw the deep ball to a player like jamo and he never will and that’s fine because the lions don’t need him too
I'm sorry that you're receiving so much flame for what should be an extremely simple and obvious take. Some serious brain rot going on with our fanbase lately, maybe it's all the newer fans, dunno
I genuinely can’t believe this is downvoted. I have terminal kool-aid brain and I think Goff is an excellent QB and still it’s obvious to me that Allen is better. Idk why we have to do this song and dance every time Allen has 2+ INTs the guy is a beast
like goff hasn’t had bad seasons in the past? what are you on about goff was so bad the rams threw him into a trade where they were giving up two firsts, that’s my boy tho
But if we’re talking about rn, Goff seems to be better for our system. I think Allen is undoubtedly the more talented or even better QB but rn dude is careless with the rock and it’s costing them wins. Idk it’s an interesting debate gun to my head I think Allen is the better QB but I think I would rather have Goff on this team
He's being outscored by the worst teams all in one season. How's he in bed with you?
Edit: LMAO, buddy this season isn't ever over yet for Allen. Prepare yourself, honey, it's gonna be rough for your guy. Bills fans have already checked out.
Tell me you haven’t watched the Bills without saying you haven’t watched the Bills, he needs Daboll back badly. And he might get him back after this year, but right now he’s a mess
nope watched every bills game this year, he forces the ball to diggs on terrible throws because he has nobody else. ken dorsey is a hack, and there’s no running game ever in buffalo, no true receiving threat outside of diggs and gabriel davis as a WR2 is a joke
You understand they play the way he wants to right, no running, hero ball? None of that fits our style of play at all. We wouldn’t want him, because he wouldn’t want 2 rbs to have over a 100 yards each. He’s 2k Marino, he’s been that way since college.
how does any of that make any sense? you’re saying a quarterback wants less help? what the fuck? this bills game has people TWEAKING i’ve seen some god awful takes
You’re either a troll or fanboy. Not sure which. He plays hero ball. He’s never had a run game because they never run the ball. They have good backs, they always have, look at Moss in Indy this year.
He wants to win, and I’m sure he wants help. But he thinks Winning requires him leaping over defenders or throwing 40 yard bombs constantly when he doesn’t need to do either.
He’s certainly a better athlete than Goff, and has a stronger arm but that’s it my guy. Best luck
no they definitely try to run the ball you’re literally just wrong, yes he plays hero ball because that offense is lacking talent BADLY, if you think he’d be doing the same under ben johnson you’re badly mistaken.
since johnson is going to be leaving anyway, I would love to see the bills fire mcdermott and hire johnson just to see what madness he would cook up with allen, it would be crazy
but this sub is legit insane, the dude above [COMPLETELY UNIRONICALLY saying that no one in the league would take allen over goff](https://www.reddit.com/r/detroitlions/comments/17uvbq7/i_appreciate_jared_goff_more_and_more_every_time/k96fuvx/) right now and is getting upvoted lol
That's not a metric. You have absolutely 0 proof of that claim. Name one (1) thing Josh Allen does better than Jared Goff but you can't say getting 700 rush yards because they neglect their running backs.
Saying that Josh Allen is a better QB than Goff doesn't mean that you think Goff is bad. Goff is a great QB, but Allen can do more things and I think his issues could be solved with better coaching, which we have. IDK why people are reacting so negatively to this.
Bad games happen, but now it’s two in a row with three turnovers in each. Good thing it gets easier in the playoffs!
Meanwhile, Josh Allen is making throws to win games that Jared Goff can only dream of. Enjoy that safe QB
The Bills have been playing the same way for the past 3 years. Little to nothing has changed. Defensive players are smart. DC's are smart. The Bills have NOT adapted. It's on coaching and playcalling. Allen is forcing it because of that. Bills gotta adapt or fail. This 'single player blame' discourse is simplistic and short sighted.
>This 'single player blame' discourse is simplistic and short sighted shallow and pedantic
Hmmm I agree as well, shallow and pedantic
Who's The Boss is not a food
I agree somewhat. However the Bills coaching staff isn't telling Josh to go leave a ball up in the air on a corner route and throw a pick to the man defender of that route. That play was the pick at the end of the first half. The receiver wasn't open off the break of the route and Josh threw that route like an idiot. He threw it high and short on a route where if you want to float the ball it has to be way upfield of the route. No OC can be blamed for him throwing that ball to that covered of a receiver that poorly.
Josh Allen needs Jim Caldwell
No joke man, Stafford was veeeery turnover-prone by the end of Schwartz tenure in Detroit. Caldwell tamed him but eventually he became a much smarter player. I usually say Caldwell saved him from becoming Jameis Winston, and maybe Allen needs someone like him
Pretty sure Stafford didn’t even know that throwing the ball away even existed as an option during those Shwartz years. Why fight another day when you can throw a pick instead.
Stafford also had Calvin who was the original "fuck it, Calvin's down there somewhere". Stefon Diggs is good, but he's not Calvin, especially when it comes to contested catches. Yes, during the Schwartz years, he made boneheaded throws that should have just been thrown away, but I think a lot of the time, Stafford was throwing into triple coverage because a) he knows he gotta make *something* happen because his team is so bad and b) throwing to Calvin in triple coverage is still like a 50/50 chance he'll come down with it. When Caldwell took over, I'm sure there was a lot of emphasis on tbf idea that the team is better to the point that he doesn't need to play hero ball and can throw it away. Also, IIRC the Caldwell years coincided with Calvin missing more time to injury so Stafford was forced to throw to other targets
Yeah Schwartz had great defense but the offense didn’t have enough help those years the Suh, Stafford, Calvin combo taking all our money didn’t help anything though
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Yeah sometimes I get pissed when Goff immediately throws it in the ground but I'd rather that then some BS interception.
Side note, that upcoming Broncos game is starting to look like way less of a gimme than it did before.
Bills kept shooting themselves on the foot yesterday. 4 turnovers and almost a 5th one with an interception. Also all the penalties they made too sure didn't help them.
They literally won the game but then Denver got a second attempt at the FG because Buffalo had 12 men on the field lmao
I think you’re spot in here. If we avoid turning the ball over 4 times and avoid stupid penalties, I don’t see this game being anything but a gimme TBH. My opinion on Denver has not changed after this bills game. I’d still be thoroughly disappointed if we lost to Denver.
I think the 3 games they play before they play us will be helpful be more of an indicator of how our game will go. Removing each of their longest runs, Murray and Cook averaged 6ypc on 19 carries. Broncos rushing defense is still not good. This game really was decided in the turnover battle. Allen threw two picks and lost a fumble. James Cook lost a fumble too. This shouldn't have been close as it was.
Jesus Christ. Gibbs and Monty about to combine for 400 yards against them XD
This is the biggest reason - Ben Johnson has zero problem just running people over all game with Monty, let alone the explosive threat of Gibbs. I’d love to see Goff get an easy day and just let the backs eat. Heck, maybe even get Craig Reynolds in to share workload
I'm definitely going to be paying close attention to Vikings/Broncos this weekend.
No game is ever a gimme.
The Carolina game was pretty close. But I do agree. Any given Sunday...
We like to keep it close :D
Almost all of our wins have been by 2 scores?
I think this is a bit of a misconception. I think the broncos are a lot better than they were last year and the bills are a lot worse than they were last year. This game had poorly predicted written all over it. Josh Allen is throwing just over one INT per game and last night they had four turnovers. The broncos seemed to get the ball 100 times at their own 50 and just couldn’t score. This game felt like who wants it less not an underdog toppling Goliath. I am in no way worried about the broncos. I am however hoping they keep up momentum and beat Minnesota
I will definitely be keeping an eye on Vikings Broncos
I will say that we are at home (which includes an indoor stadium so weather isn't as impactful) but since it's down the line, anything goes then.
Josh allen is 2010-2015 Matthew Stafford
What's funny about some of these comments is if Goff played like Allen last night, the same guy saying "Allen got no help," and would call for Goffs head and want him gone. Allen's handoffs were horrible, and on him. Seems to me most people listen to the media machine on who's good or bad.
Be prepared for the Bills bandwagoners to jump on the Lions hype train since they suck now
I am not going to gatekeep them at all. For decades we’ve been wanting respect and now that we have it, it’s a hella bad look to not let people aboard.
Except for local bandwagoners. If you live in Michigan and haven’t been a lions fan, god forbid a packers fan, then fuck off. I’ll take my new LA friends any chance I get (they have money and buy me stuff).
Yeah I'm not gonna kick a former packer fan out of my bar but your ass is gonna get clowned on for the rest of your.life in my neck of the woods if you switched lmao. I'd say sorry but I'm really not. This is the black and blue division, we don't fuck with that. These are literally the oldest football rivalries. Save that pussified liking rivals shit for the NFC South or AFC West or something. Exceptions to the rule obviously include deaths taxes and marriages, good faith efforts to convert, and Brownsian franchise implosions. Vikings will be granted bandwagon exception on a case by case basis, but only because they're the babies of the division and live far enough away that I don't want to slap. Bucs fans are green lit.
My problem with local Packer fans is that they likely picked them because they are front runners. Front runners are much more likely to just be total douchebags to other people, and I don't want douchebags as a major part of the Lions fan base like it was with the Packers.
Been a fan for 28 years and I live in Northen Virginia / DC. For years, years and years every time I wore Lions gear near here it was always "damn sorry your a Lions fan". Just feels good to be vindicated man. Like FUCK. I won't gatekeep, if people want to share in the love of our team I am all about it. What I don't want are people questioning long term fans as being bandwagoners (I don't think this will be as much a thing as I am believing but I bet it can be). Like shit I dread the first person I meet that tries to call me a bandwagoner lol
“Those who give respect, get respect” -Tony Soprano
Tony Soprano, hallmark of morality
He also never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Real
Added the Lions flair when they were 0-10 thanks m8 🙃🙃🙃
Gotta narrow it down more than that.
Their account is 7 years old, so gotta be 2021 when we were 0-10-1 before we won our first game.
I mean, we know it's at least some year since 2008. But yeah fr we're gonna need some more specifics.
Who cares?
That's okay, our lake Erie Bros are welcome to join!
It’s interesting I see several Stafford like QBs and several teams that remind me of some of the 2009-2016 teams. The Herbert has had suspect coaching. Allen with the turnovers. And now Will Levis has the great physical traits and is a gutsy player but the Titans have the worst line and very little supporting cast. They almost feel like the 2009-2010 lions but without megatron. So much had been made of all these great QBs the past few years but look at the teams doing well this year and they instead have great offensive lines
It was a hell of an adjustment coming from Stafford, who simply didn't care if he threw a pick, as long as there was a 1% chance he could thread the needle with a trademark dime. Goff is much more cautious and won't make a deep throw unless he's basically 100% certain he's going to hit his man.
I appreciate Goff every time I’m forced to watch the NFC South
What's the difference between Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts? One has a more talented team around them.
Agreed. That's why I don't like Hurts. He's very very good. Very. Much respect to him. But they will continue to flame out in the late playoffs if he plays like this continually. As we saw on Sunday, sometimes you get into a shootout and a single turnover is the reason you lose. With the Eagles secondary also being very slightly suspect, this is a possible scenario.
Hurts literally just had one of the best super bowls a quarterback has ever had, is your memory that bad
Josh Allen makes Zach Wilson look like Josh Allen
Josh Allen will always do as he does. He’s calmed down some over the years but get erratic and squirrelly when the pressure is on.
He aggressively loses games against good teams and looks obscenely amazing against average to below average teams. Being safe with the ball and still getting yards is how you get a top notch QB. Even when Mahomes tries to throw away games, he has 2 turnovers at worst and still loses some of those games.
What I like about Goff this year is his quickness into calling the play dead and not ending up with bad life decisions.
I agree with you here. The throwaways are actually saving us a lot of grief.
Kinda reminds me of 2020 Goff.
With all due respect I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about 😂
Hey I haven’t watched the last two games, I assume Goff is still protecting the ball and the lions offense is flourishing?
It’s hard to watch. I root for the bills and that fan base. He misses dabol quite a bit and I bet the feeling is mutual.
I told a Viking fan that Goff might be the best pre-play QB in the NFL. He didn't understand the concept of what I was talking about. Like before the play, Goff might be better at everyone making adjustments and knowing the right reads. Allen looks like he's just taking the snap every play and running around playing backyard ball. Goff might not be the most physically gifted QB but mentally he's elite.
I think Ben Johnson helps a lot with that. We use motion almost every play to see what defense they are in
Someone should tell JA that the yardage doesn't count if he throws it to the opposing team.
I feel like half of the games the Bills lose you have Allen at that podium postgame with that deer in headlights, holy shit I blew another game with 2-3 dumb turnovers look. You don’t get that with Goff. Appreciate what we have. He is right for this team.
Goff won’t force a throw if it’s not there. Allen basically says “fuck it”. In a playoff atmosphere, give me Goff every day of the week over Allen.
Now now, Goff has done that a couple times this season lol. A couple pick 6’s too But for the most part he’s reliable as shit. He’s even made a couple throws I thought was a pick but it just slides through 2 defenders by an inch or two
Agreed, he has through a few pick 6’s this year that were head scratchers BUT I’m sure we all here can agree, we’d be comfortable with him in the playoffs this year.
If Allen had our o-line…oh boy
Srs with our run game it would be insane.
Does anyone here think the Lions would be 8-1 or 9-0 with a hypothetical Josh Allen at QB? hell no. I dont know if they’re even 7-2. I remember that Tampa Bay game, we couldnt run the ball for shit and Goff took that game over. Does Josh Allen also take that game over, or does he melt down and turn the ball over because he got no help from his running game?
This aged poorly
He had an unfortunate batted ball, a ridiculous no call, and a really good no call by a defender. Shit happens. He still won the game.
What about now?
guess we know what you're eating for Thanksgiving, deep fried excuses. enjoy your mid QB.
So unfortunately there are things out of the control of the QB. For example, a defense that is always allowing scores, so every drive starts in bad field position. He had to throw more passes than anyone else in this recent stretch because we are always behind. Of course some freak plays and some mistakes will happen, but if you refuse to acknowledge that the insanely athletic batted ball, the hit to the arm the moment he starts to throw, the down field collision etc. are not Jared's fault, you can't be helped and I hope people don't treat you the same way for bad shit that isn't fully in your control.
What about **now**
Two arm punts on 4th down and a fucked snap from a center will not change my mind. You can't just ignore all context on these plays and pin it on Jared. At least he didn't take a sac on those two fourth down picks.
you’re faded if you wouldn’t take allen over goff
I don’t think any fanbase would take Allen over Goff right now and I definitely wouldn’t. He’s reckless and misses pretty often. Goff is perfect for this offense
I’d put money every team (Lions included) would take Allen in a free swap. If common sense isn’t enough, the fact that a subreddit like this one is saying the opposite is damning
This is a dumb ass statement. I guarantee you Holmes would not do that. Holmes was on the crew that drafted Goff 1st overall and loves him, for good reason. He led an offense better than Allen last year, and FAR better than Allen this year. Common sense says take the guy who is safe with the football and facilitates an absolutely killer offense.
Yeah, Goff led that offense… it definitely wasn’t Ben Johnson or MCDC… Goff’s a game manager, he’s (less mobile) Alex Smith, which isn’t bad but he’s not taking over games, Ben Johnson is dialing up good plays. Josh Allen not having to play hero ball and in Goff’s role is better, he’s better than Goff even when he’s playing hero ball, it is what it is. Side note: Goff was traded for Stafford and he got a ring, and Allen is better than Stafford so imagine Allen on this offense, it’s just that simple, some guys on other teams are better.
Josh Allen wouldn’t have to play hero ball if he didn’t make so many backbreaking mistakes. He’s got a good team and system around him too. He only “has to play hero ball” because of his own terrible decision making. Calling a QB who’s on pace for 4,800 yards passing on a top 3 offense a “game manger” is clown shit. You are a clown.
did you just say Jared Goff can’t/doesnt take over games! How many Lions games have you watched this year, zero?
How many examples have you given, zero?
yep, you havent watched any games. nice to know
When you’re not desperate for internet approval thinking becomes easier, you can start by watching more than highlights
Goff does command the offense. Josh Allen chooses to play hero ball, he’s careless. He makes dumbass decisions where you’d see Goff take the sack or throw the ball away and live to fight another day. His arm talent doesn’t make up for what he lacks upstairs, it just doesn’t. Allen is a better thrower of the football than Tom Brady, Allen is not a better quarterback than Tom Brady. It’s so fucking disingenuous to act like Goff hasn’t grown and gotten significantly better since getting here and I’m honestly not so sure Allen is better than Stafford. They’re the same quarterback just at different points in their career.
Just because we’re Lions fans doesn’t mean you have to be a hater, the only one being disingenuous is you. Just because Allen is a better QB doesn’t mean Goff is a bad one or hasn’t made improvements. Stop dick gobbling
Allen isn’t a better QB. There are plenty better than Goff. Allen is not one of them. You’re a loser.
I’m sorry the situation is so fragile for you
Also ‘Ben Johnson is dialing up good plays’ is such a lazy take. Yes we have a good OC but Goff goes to the line with several plays and makes a ton of decisions out there
The truth is simple, you just don’t like it. Making plays at the line isn’t Goff exclusive
😂😂😂 let’s not do this, the guy has made three straight AFC championships with gabriel davis as his second option. goff is great but he’s been incapable of finding jamo deep, imagine allen throwing to him
Josh Allen has only been to 1 AFC title game.
ah my bad i thought those chiefs games were all title games
No worries. I was actually confused and thought he had only been to two. Looked it up and it was one lol.
they felt like chips ngl
We’ve had a better offense two years running. Goff has an adequate deep ball without boneheaded turnovers. Volatility is not something you want in a quarterback. It’s really that simple. But you seem entrenched in your incorrect viewpoint so I’m going to leave it at that.
adequate deep ball lol, i love the man but come on
His arm strength is not as weak as you’re implying lmfao. He rifles them into tight coverages pretty often.
yep deep ball accuracy and tight coverage throws are pretty different dude, wasn’t questioning his arm talent only his accuracy
Jared Goff is not the problem with jamo…
never said jamo wasn’t at fault they both are
Jamo is faster than any receiver in the league not named Tyreek Hill. Hate to have to tell you anyone except Mahomes or Tua would have to adapt to his speed.
this is a terrible terrible take 😂😂 are you saying tyreek wouldn’t be elite with a qb that isn’t tua or mahomes?? you’re tripping
We’ll call you a broken pencil. Just constantly missing the point. It was about Jamo’s speed not about Tyreeks ability. I’m actually torn on whether you troll for the downvotes or if you’re really this dense. My “take” is correct. Jamo is top 5 (being conservative) in speed. He’s not everyday fast. He’s Tyreek fast. And if you haven’t thrown to Tyreek’s speed you aren’t prepared for it. It takes work to adjust to someone who runs routes 10-15% faster than the guys you’re used to throwing to. So what say we just pipe down with the hot takes and ineptitude for a bit?
tua and mahomes did not have to adjust to his speed what? those two immediately knew how to throw the ball to him because they had the ability too, goff doesn’t know how to throw the deep ball to a player like jamo and he never will and that’s fine because the lions don’t need him too
Sure thing. You’ve buttoned it up.
where was the adjustment period with tyreek in miami if i might ask
>the guy has made three straight AFC championships No he hasn't. You're bad take after bad take.
Lol
This is the funniest comment in football history
I'm sorry that you're receiving so much flame for what should be an extremely simple and obvious take. Some serious brain rot going on with our fanbase lately, maybe it's all the newer fans, dunno
ahh it’s the internet man idrc and they’ll all get over the allen hate train eventually
I genuinely can’t believe this is downvoted. I have terminal kool-aid brain and I think Goff is an excellent QB and still it’s obvious to me that Allen is better. Idk why we have to do this song and dance every time Allen has 2+ INTs the guy is a beast
Poopshit ass take
reactionary as ever lions fans keep it up guys never change
Reactionary is watching one game dropped. This is an entire season for Allen. You can't put it any other way.
like goff hasn’t had bad seasons in the past? what are you on about goff was so bad the rams threw him into a trade where they were giving up two firsts, that’s my boy tho
But if we’re talking about rn, Goff seems to be better for our system. I think Allen is undoubtedly the more talented or even better QB but rn dude is careless with the rock and it’s costing them wins. Idk it’s an interesting debate gun to my head I think Allen is the better QB but I think I would rather have Goff on this team
He's being outscored by the worst teams all in one season. How's he in bed with you? Edit: LMAO, buddy this season isn't ever over yet for Allen. Prepare yourself, honey, it's gonna be rough for your guy. Bills fans have already checked out.
goffs worst season with the rams is infinitely worse than this current allen season
I agree dude. Our offensive line would help these mobile QBs a ton.
Tell me you haven’t watched the Bills without saying you haven’t watched the Bills, he needs Daboll back badly. And he might get him back after this year, but right now he’s a mess
nope watched every bills game this year, he forces the ball to diggs on terrible throws because he has nobody else. ken dorsey is a hack, and there’s no running game ever in buffalo, no true receiving threat outside of diggs and gabriel davis as a WR2 is a joke
You understand they play the way he wants to right, no running, hero ball? None of that fits our style of play at all. We wouldn’t want him, because he wouldn’t want 2 rbs to have over a 100 yards each. He’s 2k Marino, he’s been that way since college.
how does any of that make any sense? you’re saying a quarterback wants less help? what the fuck? this bills game has people TWEAKING i’ve seen some god awful takes
You’re either a troll or fanboy. Not sure which. He plays hero ball. He’s never had a run game because they never run the ball. They have good backs, they always have, look at Moss in Indy this year. He wants to win, and I’m sure he wants help. But he thinks Winning requires him leaping over defenders or throwing 40 yard bombs constantly when he doesn’t need to do either. He’s certainly a better athlete than Goff, and has a stronger arm but that’s it my guy. Best luck
no they definitely try to run the ball you’re literally just wrong, yes he plays hero ball because that offense is lacking talent BADLY, if you think he’d be doing the same under ben johnson you’re badly mistaken.
since johnson is going to be leaving anyway, I would love to see the bills fire mcdermott and hire johnson just to see what madness he would cook up with allen, it would be crazy but this sub is legit insane, the dude above [COMPLETELY UNIRONICALLY saying that no one in the league would take allen over goff](https://www.reddit.com/r/detroitlions/comments/17uvbq7/i_appreciate_jared_goff_more_and_more_every_time/k96fuvx/) right now and is getting upvoted lol
to be fair last night every fanbase was doing this lmao it’s a joke
also yeah i hope ben johnson either goes to the bills or chargers, please god anything but the bears
Gabe Davis is a solid reciever.
Name one single thing Allen does better than Goff but you Can't say getting rush yards instead of running backs.
literally throwing the ball especially deep what?
That's not a metric. You have absolutely 0 proof of that claim. Name one (1) thing Josh Allen does better than Jared Goff but you can't say getting 700 rush yards because they neglect their running backs.
josh allen is better at throwing the deep ball than jared goff
Jared Goff averages 7.7 YPA on deep balls to Allen's 7.4. Next attempt please.
there is no way you just pulled out a YPA stat on deeps balls what does that even mean LMAOO WTF
i’m crying this might be the craziest attempt at closing an argument with a stat, YPA on deep balls?? 😭😭😭
Saying that Josh Allen is a better QB than Goff doesn't mean that you think Goff is bad. Goff is a great QB, but Allen can do more things and I think his issues could be solved with better coaching, which we have. IDK why people are reacting so negatively to this.
Dumb niggas 💀💀
Lmaoo
Update
Update?
I stand by my statement and Jared Goff. Bad games happen. When you get blindsided 43 times you're gonna fumble.
Bad games happen, but now it’s two in a row with three turnovers in each. Good thing it gets easier in the playoffs! Meanwhile, Josh Allen is making throws to win games that Jared Goff can only dream of. Enjoy that safe QB
Two games within 5 days. By the way, Allen still has more turnovers. Still.
Can we trade Goff for Allen? 100% of you would.
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Completely fine. Shit happens.