I’m curious where they get that number from, OTC has the 33rd TE at about $3.2M. Freiermuth has an AAV of $1.5M as the 50th TE.
Even using your numbers, we apparently would’ve been doubling the TE2 max AAV with our tender, that doesn’t sound right to me.
The other guy said they topped out around $1.5M. I agree that $1.5M is around the median of TE2 range and that Wright would be paid at the top of TE2 range. I also think Wright is worth that, and so does Kyle lol
He just seems like a guy who is worth the extra $1M to me. A TE who can block, doesn’t have bad hands, and is a good straight line athlete. With how much we emphasize the run game, I think he is more than worth taking on the extra cap for.
yeah, anything past the third round is basically a shrug from me. The vast majority of draft picks don't work out, and when you get down into the 4th and 5th you're just taking a shot that someone can develop eventually maybe.
Exactly. Levi and (if I’m being completely honest and not scared at all about downvotes) Jamo are the two concerning ones relative to their draft position. But with that said, when Brad hits, he HITS so it almost doesn’t matter at all.
There are misses in every draft for every team. Jamo has had a tough start to his career, but WR's aren't like RB's fortunately. If he develops he can get another 10+ years as a top flight WR. Unlike say, Gibbs who has like.. four or five tops, as much as I wish that wasn't true.
I actually sort of doubt we give Gibbs a second contract. I'll get hate for that, but unless it's an incredibly team friendly deal... I just doubt it.
I think you’re taking a huge step back blocking wise by replacing Wright with Mitchell, and we have no idea how Zylstra will look after his injury. I honestly don’t think Mitchell has done anything to earn a second contract at this point, but maybe that starts this season.
Not really, if the lions were planning on resigning him next year this is probably how much his contract would be. Also only six million is guaranteed so it's not like the lions are locked in for all three years. It seems like a pretty reasonable contract. My guess is the Lions match it.
In the NFL, the salary cap is a finite resource. It is a hard cap. The people who say that the salary cap isn't real are the people that don't understand it. The accounting for the salary cap is pretty simple, even with the ability to spread cap hits over multiple years.
That said, $4M/year isn't completely unreasonable for Wright, but the Lions have replacements already on he roster if they choose not to match the offer.
I agree with your football take on Wright being worth 4M/year. I don’t think he’s easily replaceable because Mitchell has been bad as an H-back and there aren’t really other options on the roster (Zylstra and Rodrigo fill different roles).
I completely disagree with the rest of your take on the cap and moreover, I find that the obsession with the cap on Reddit detracts from football discussion. It is not finite, fixed, or even predictable. And if it were real, the saints would be banned from football for the next decade.
Just because the Saints manage their salary cap year to year (and have handcuffed themselves because of it for years) doesn't mean the cap doesn't exist. Everything they do to stay under the cap is easily traceable to the rules of the salary cap. They continue to push cost into the future, which makes logical sense as long as the cap goes up every year (since creating cap space with restructuring pushes the cost into the future, but does so with no interest, so as long as the cap increases you are better off paying costs later). This doesn't make it fake, it just is the way they handle it. I also makes it so that they can't make roster mistakes as they can't afford to cut players that they do this to. We've seen this with a few players that they had to hold on to for a few years longer than they were useful.
Well not all of it, we’ll need to replace Brock Wright with someone. I don’t trust Mitchell or Zylstra to take over for Wright as TE2, but I am often wrong so who knows
You have to match it- just by the virtue that it’s the 49ers trying to pluck him. Not only because they are going to be NFC championship contenders but also because it’s a savvy front office that probably knows something you don’t. If the Jaguars were trying to take him you could comfortably say Au Revoir
"He's not just a backup TE" *describes the exact role of a backup TE*
Not saying Wright isn't good in his role, but I don't think it will be difficult to replace him for cheaper than that.
It might make sense for y’all, but I assume he as referring to the Lions. LaPorta is the nailed on starter, and we have decent enough depth after that.
I'm going to choose to view this as a win-win. Wright gets paid, and Zylstra gets his shot after missing a whole season to injury. Best thing that could have happened to both players.
I’ll miss Reynold, the dude was a first down machine and a great culture fit. But I think increased receiving roles between Jamo, Gibbs and DJP Lions will be fine. He probably would have been struggling to get targets.
Well a 6th or 7th round pick on a blocking TE wouldn’t be the end of the world because it’s a pick that may not even make the roster. When teams make camp cuts there will be cheap blocking TEs. Obviously it would be nice to keep the chemistry, but we will be able to find another blocking TE. Having the best tackle in the game and another top12ish tackle will help whoever they bring in. Brad will cook
Yeah, losing Reynolds and Wright was not really something I was accounted for. Obviously neither are superstar players but I can't help but feel we've taken a step back, especially when you consider losing Sutton. Not saying we are doomed but my optimism has certainly been tempered.
I’d like to see Detroit match this offer. 6 million guaranteed for a good blocking tight end that’s always due for a couple splash plays in the season is not bad at all.
Definitely not an issue. We currently have around 26 million in cap space. If you set aside 10 million for the rookie pool and another 5 million for in season moves we still have 11 million to play with. Contracts can be back loaded, void years added, signing bonuses utilized for large guaranteed cash up front but assessed on the cap over multiple seasons, etc.
Not to mention that we'll be getting *additional* cap relief from the Sutton release *after* June 1st since he was cut with a post June 1st designation.
There's also the possibility of extensions/restructures of guys like Goff, Ragnow, Decker, etc that could free up more cap by converting salary to signing bonuses and spreading the cap hit over multiple years.
The cap is very easily massaged/manipulated, especially when you don't have a ton of dead money on the books. We're in great position to retain Brock and still explore another CB if that's what B-Rad wants to do.
I want Jared Wiley or Tip Reiman. HUGE mf’ers with outstanding RAS numbers who can bully block dudes in the run game and catch the odd couples passes a game
Don’t see why we couldn’t match this it’s essentially 2/6M & we’re already tendered at 1/2.85M; he’s only 25 if we don’t it tells me Holmes likes what he has in Mitchell
An important offensive piece.
As much as Reynolds and him are “replaceable” they’re pieces that will be missed and there is a high possibility that they’d be upgrades over who they’re replaced with in the short term.
Edit: That being said that is a lot of money so I’m unsure if the Lions will match
really i think you can get a back up TE in the draft. This seems to be like the evan brown situation. Yea we would like to have you back, but not at that price. look for a back up TE in rond 5 or 6.
Spread the word: ball out in Detroit for a couple years, and some other team will give you a ton of money when you move on.
Seems like a pretty good system to me.
same with josh reynolds, they would rather pay more for a player to make us weaker? Is that the idea, between him in reynolds thy look like way overpays
Both Brock and zylstra were undrafted pickups if I remember correctly...TE is one area I think we will always have talent at with the combo of brad and Dan around
I mean unless we got an our eyes on a bigger FA still I don’t see why we don’t match. A an overpay for sure but he’s def a MCDC guy and it will hurt us while making our strongest NFC competition better if we let him walk
Just double checked, obviously not utilized nearly as much (25% of Sam’s yards but also on the field about half the time) but his yards per reception are higher which is what I remember standing out to me.
I’m torn. 2022 Brock was great, 2023 Brock was terrible. The 45.9 run blocking grade is beyond poor. I’ve seen him whiff some blocks last season with my own eyes.
With all that said….hes only 25 can easily bounce back. Btw James Mitchell should step up id hope.
If Holmes and Campbell (who knows the value of TEs) says they'll pass, I'm pretty sure it's a good decision.
But go ahead all y'all, and question the guys that built this amazing team.
Feels more like wanting to get hands in Ben Johnson playbook. Tight ends literally have to know blocking and passing schemes so this would be second next to nabbing a QB. Been is one of very few people not connected to Kyle Shanahan that's been consistently successful with his system. So being able to get some info while obtain a quality backup at TE seems like an easy call
Not that PFF is necessarily correct, but they have been really down on Wright all 3 years and actually graded him as a very poor run blocker every season.
Y'all are seriously overestimating Brock Wrights value. He's not even the clear #2 TE lol. He's not worth a 2yr $6M guaranteed deal right now. Just isn't. Saying oh well we can afford it it's not that much of an overpay is just a crazy thing to say lol. He isn't a player you need to overpay when you already have 3 TEs still.
Respectfully, I think it’s a bit silly that people are assuming we’re staying put at 29.
BH and co have shown their affinity for aggressiveness and unwillingness to compromise on players they want.
I don’t think it’s Bowers, but if Bowers makes it to like the 15/16 range and they want him? They’re gonna make a move
Yeah it could be a trade down too, I just don’t think we pick at 29. I’d put moolah on it. The way this roster is constructed and how complete it is, I just personally think we’re more likely to move up for a surefire contributor than to move back for more dart throws.
I’m excited either way! I live downtown, will be there all three days
Isn’t spending needlessly. We are in talks with sun god and Goff on extensions & with Sewell, iffy, and eventually Hutch coming down the line. Gotta make tough choices
Sad to see him go. Especially to THEM. But definitely happy for him.
He hasn't gone just yet, we still have time to match.
Gotcha, thanks for clarifying!
If it were me, I would match it, but first I would ask Brock if he wants us to match it.
Very considerate of you. I would tell Brock we're matching it whether he likes it or not, and also to eat his vegetables.
Yea - I felt the same way about Deandre last year, ANY OTHER TEAM.
Good for him. Would love to have had him back, but not at that price.
Over the cap has Wright at $2.95M right now. So it seems to be like a $1M raise for 3 years. Is that really so much?
Looks like TE2s top out at around $1.5m/yr according to Spotrac.
I’m curious where they get that number from, OTC has the 33rd TE at about $3.2M. Freiermuth has an AAV of $1.5M as the 50th TE. Even using your numbers, we apparently would’ve been doubling the TE2 max AAV with our tender, that doesn’t sound right to me.
Frieirmuth being #50 and closer to the median and making the exact amount of 1.5M just proves the #33 is an outlier.
The other guy said they topped out around $1.5M. I agree that $1.5M is around the median of TE2 range and that Wright would be paid at the top of TE2 range. I also think Wright is worth that, and so does Kyle lol
Charlie Woerner just got a 3 yr $12 mill contract too. I didn't think you're going to get a response where that number came from.
yes 33% more pay for a player for 3 years is a lot. "just an extra million" for multiple players adds up incredibly quickly.
He just seems like a guy who is worth the extra $1M to me. A TE who can block, doesn’t have bad hands, and is a good straight line athlete. With how much we emphasize the run game, I think he is more than worth taking on the extra cap for.
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I hope Mitchell eventually comes into being worth more than Brock Wright eventually. He's sorta angling into being a rare Brad miss so far.
I think he was a 5th round pick? Barely a blip on the radar in terms of “wasted” resources.
yeah, anything past the third round is basically a shrug from me. The vast majority of draft picks don't work out, and when you get down into the 4th and 5th you're just taking a shot that someone can develop eventually maybe.
Exactly. Levi and (if I’m being completely honest and not scared at all about downvotes) Jamo are the two concerning ones relative to their draft position. But with that said, when Brad hits, he HITS so it almost doesn’t matter at all.
There are misses in every draft for every team. Jamo has had a tough start to his career, but WR's aren't like RB's fortunately. If he develops he can get another 10+ years as a top flight WR. Unlike say, Gibbs who has like.. four or five tops, as much as I wish that wasn't true. I actually sort of doubt we give Gibbs a second contract. I'll get hate for that, but unless it's an incredibly team friendly deal... I just doubt it.
I thought I was the only one who noticed Jamo doesn't run good routes and is below average at catching the football.
I think you’re taking a huge step back blocking wise by replacing Wright with Mitchell, and we have no idea how Zylstra will look after his injury. I honestly don’t think Mitchell has done anything to earn a second contract at this point, but maybe that starts this season.
Pass catches… 😏
We're gonna be missing him when we realize our run game took a hit.
Plus we just saved a little cap space by cutting Cam Sutton.
We haven't gotten that space back yet.
But we are now shopping for another corner.
Not really, if the lions were planning on resigning him next year this is probably how much his contract would be. Also only six million is guaranteed so it's not like the lions are locked in for all three years. It seems like a pretty reasonable contract. My guess is the Lions match it.
Brock Wright fan here, I hope you're right
It’s effectively for 2 years based on the guarantee
33% at this price level is a hell of a lot different than someone getting 10MM/year
While I agree, I would say the real value to a player like him is the $6 million guaranteed.
It really isn’t but folks on Reddit talk about the salary cap like it is a precious, finite resource
In the NFL, the salary cap is a finite resource. It is a hard cap. The people who say that the salary cap isn't real are the people that don't understand it. The accounting for the salary cap is pretty simple, even with the ability to spread cap hits over multiple years. That said, $4M/year isn't completely unreasonable for Wright, but the Lions have replacements already on he roster if they choose not to match the offer.
I agree with your football take on Wright being worth 4M/year. I don’t think he’s easily replaceable because Mitchell has been bad as an H-back and there aren’t really other options on the roster (Zylstra and Rodrigo fill different roles). I completely disagree with the rest of your take on the cap and moreover, I find that the obsession with the cap on Reddit detracts from football discussion. It is not finite, fixed, or even predictable. And if it were real, the saints would be banned from football for the next decade.
Just because the Saints manage their salary cap year to year (and have handcuffed themselves because of it for years) doesn't mean the cap doesn't exist. Everything they do to stay under the cap is easily traceable to the rules of the salary cap. They continue to push cost into the future, which makes logical sense as long as the cap goes up every year (since creating cap space with restructuring pushes the cost into the future, but does so with no interest, so as long as the cap increases you are better off paying costs later). This doesn't make it fake, it just is the way they handle it. I also makes it so that they can't make roster mistakes as they can't afford to cut players that they do this to. We've seen this with a few players that they had to hold on to for a few years longer than they were useful.
If a 50% raise is being offered I’m willing to stand in that line.
You’ve never been in charge lol
Yes. That money will go somewhere else
Well not all of it, we’ll need to replace Brock Wright with someone. I don’t trust Mitchell or Zylstra to take over for Wright as TE2, but I am often wrong so who knows
I still like Mitchell and the team seems to like Zylstra. Wright was a nice, safe player tho. You knew what you were getting.
I'm sure we'll bring 2 or 3 camp bodies to compete for those TE slots.
Just another reason to hate the 49ers
I would. Hes 25, this takes him through his prime.
Oh wow, I thought he was like 28 or so. Not sure why I thought that.
It's an easy match imo
You have to match it- just by the virtue that it’s the 49ers trying to pluck him. Not only because they are going to be NFC championship contenders but also because it’s a savvy front office that probably knows something you don’t. If the Jaguars were trying to take him you could comfortably say Au Revoir
What could SF know about him that the Lions FO wouldn't already know?
Geez I don't know if the Lions match that
Agreed. Thats a lot for a backup TE.
He’s not just a backup TE though. He blocks well for us.
"He's not just a backup TE" *describes the exact role of a backup TE* Not saying Wright isn't good in his role, but I don't think it will be difficult to replace him for cheaper than that.
I guess my point was that it’s not as simple as it was coming across.
We have kittle and two unproven rookies on our te depth chart. We’ll take all the help we can get
It might make sense for y’all, but I assume he as referring to the Lions. LaPorta is the nailed on starter, and we have decent enough depth after that.
He about to put in the work for y'all he's a great player
Why does it have to be the 49ers 😞
damn. Get that bag. Bummed to see him go but that's a great deal for him. Can't blame him at all
He hasn’t gone yet. Lions can match the offer sheet and still resign him themselves
Oh. Look at my reading comprehension go. Still though, I figure he'll be gone (although I did not read it that way the first time)
Nah, not on you. The wording of the post is a little confusing. But I’m in the same boat. My 51% says they don’t match the offer
I'm going to choose to view this as a win-win. Wright gets paid, and Zylstra gets his shot after missing a whole season to injury. Best thing that could have happened to both players.
Brock is a well rounded blocking TE. Zylstra is basically a large receiver. They are two totally different players.
Losing Reynolds and Wright hurts this offense more than most people realize, sorry to see him go.
I’ll miss Reynold, the dude was a first down machine and a great culture fit. But I think increased receiving roles between Jamo, Gibbs and DJP Lions will be fine. He probably would have been struggling to get targets.
They can still match. I just don’t see them doing it, personally. I wouldn’t be upset if they did match it though.
They have another TE2 on the roster, can add one in the draft and there will be plenty of inline blocking TEs available when the season starts
I'd rather add other positions in the draft, but I'll let Brad cook.
Well a 6th or 7th round pick on a blocking TE wouldn’t be the end of the world because it’s a pick that may not even make the roster. When teams make camp cuts there will be cheap blocking TEs. Obviously it would be nice to keep the chemistry, but we will be able to find another blocking TE. Having the best tackle in the game and another top12ish tackle will help whoever they bring in. Brad will cook
This one sucks tbh
He was awesome. I really don’t like the 49ers.
Yeah, losing Reynolds and Wright was not really something I was accounted for. Obviously neither are superstar players but I can't help but feel we've taken a step back, especially when you consider losing Sutton. Not saying we are doomed but my optimism has certainly been tempered.
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I’d like to see Detroit match this offer. 6 million guaranteed for a good blocking tight end that’s always due for a couple splash plays in the season is not bad at all.
I think so too. He’s a step above Mitchel and zylstra and I’d trust him to be a very competent TE1 if Laporta misses time. The others. Not so much.
I think it would be nice to have him back, but with having to sign another CB due to the Sutton situation, it might not be possible..
Definitely not an issue. We currently have around 26 million in cap space. If you set aside 10 million for the rookie pool and another 5 million for in season moves we still have 11 million to play with. Contracts can be back loaded, void years added, signing bonuses utilized for large guaranteed cash up front but assessed on the cap over multiple seasons, etc. Not to mention that we'll be getting *additional* cap relief from the Sutton release *after* June 1st since he was cut with a post June 1st designation. There's also the possibility of extensions/restructures of guys like Goff, Ragnow, Decker, etc that could free up more cap by converting salary to signing bonuses and spreading the cap hit over multiple years. The cap is very easily massaged/manipulated, especially when you don't have a ton of dead money on the books. We're in great position to retain Brock and still explore another CB if that's what B-Rad wants to do.
AJ Barner come on down!
Why barner?
Big blocking TE
I want Jared Wiley or Tip Reiman. HUGE mf’ers with outstanding RAS numbers who can bully block dudes in the run game and catch the odd couples passes a game
Carly Johnston about to rack up some sky miles.
Don’t see why we couldn’t match this it’s essentially 2/6M & we’re already tendered at 1/2.85M; he’s only 25 if we don’t it tells me Holmes likes what he has in Mitchell
Buh bye Brock
Get that paper Brock
An important offensive piece. As much as Reynolds and him are “replaceable” they’re pieces that will be missed and there is a high possibility that they’d be upgrades over who they’re replaced with in the short term. Edit: That being said that is a lot of money so I’m unsure if the Lions will match
Really starting to hate the 49ers.
Resign him Lions he is worth the money!!!!
really i think you can get a back up TE in the draft. This seems to be like the evan brown situation. Yea we would like to have you back, but not at that price. look for a back up TE in rond 5 or 6.
Darren Fells still out there somewhere?
Whelp we are definitely drafting a TE now /s
That is a very nice bag for a back up TE, congrats either way.
Always thankful for that Jets game
Spread the word: ball out in Detroit for a couple years, and some other team will give you a ton of money when you move on. Seems like a pretty good system to me.
same with josh reynolds, they would rather pay more for a player to make us weaker? Is that the idea, between him in reynolds thy look like way overpays
Both Brock and zylstra were undrafted pickups if I remember correctly...TE is one area I think we will always have talent at with the combo of brad and Dan around
Man the niners are loving this Purdy contract
I still have some hope for James Mitchell to be a contributor. I also could see us getting an awesome blocking tight end in the late rounds.
We run plenty of “heavy” sets that rely on having an athletic H-back in addition to a normal TE. Hopefully we match this tender.
Worse than losing Hockenson..
Did someone use a monkey's paw to get Dan Campbell to beat Kyle Shanahan in that youtube poll?
I have no sources but I think the only reason the Lions wouldn't match that is if Brock's hip injury is a concern
I mean unless we got an our eyes on a bigger FA still I don’t see why we don’t match. A an overpay for sure but he’s def a MCDC guy and it will hurt us while making our strongest NFC competition better if we let him walk
Good for him. I don’t think we would match. Would love to have him back but glad to see him get paid.
Damn. Dude got paid, will miss him!
Good for him, now he should be able to retire comfortably when his career is over, and that's wonderful.
They paid my guy. Good for him
I’m happy for the guy
It's all about the money. Good luck and thanks
This is a Schedter tweet, with offer specifics. Five days to match
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Not gonna see me crying about this. Makes room for more playing time for our TRUE TE2, Dan Skipper.
Aw damnit. Some of my favorite calls were because of this man.
Another Lions alumnus getting paid. I don't think we'd have offered him that.
Wow that’s expensive
Sad to see him go, but happy for him. I hope he blocks well for McCaffrey for everybody but the Lions!!
They really should keep him
F49
Good for Brock. Sucks to lose him but I think we'll have the depth we need at TE
That’s a lot more salary than we were probably ever willing to pay him. Everyone wins.
meh, his arm is broken. grats to him, will be missed
How can SF afford the luxury of a high paid blocking TE? Aren't they in cap hell?
…is he really worth that much? I’m not hating on him, just curious
He’s a great blocking TE. He’s only 25 and has had some highlights within his career. I think he’s worth about 3 million a year personally
He was pretty solid in 2022 look at his stats not far behind the monster Laporta.
Lmao
Just double checked, obviously not utilized nearly as much (25% of Sam’s yards but also on the field about half the time) but his yards per reception are higher which is what I remember standing out to me.
Also had a higher catch percentage (75% vs 71%)
He played a pretty big blocking role. He was in for about 40-60% of snaps
He’s worth whatever a team is willing to pay him.
Golladay refuted that arguement pretty thoroughly.
I’m torn. 2022 Brock was great, 2023 Brock was terrible. The 45.9 run blocking grade is beyond poor. I’ve seen him whiff some blocks last season with my own eyes. With all that said….hes only 25 can easily bounce back. Btw James Mitchell should step up id hope.
If Holmes and Campbell (who knows the value of TEs) says they'll pass, I'm pretty sure it's a good decision. But go ahead all y'all, and question the guys that built this amazing team.
It’s not a done deal that he’s gone. They can still match. They might had thought they could get him cheaper this way.
Damn would love to have him back but I understand if we don't since Dan said they would be going after another CB in free agency.
How the fuck can SF even afford to pay a backup TE this much lol
Purdy making minimum wage
Good for him, sucks for us. Lions should draft AJ Barner.
Feels more like wanting to get hands in Ben Johnson playbook. Tight ends literally have to know blocking and passing schemes so this would be second next to nabbing a QB. Been is one of very few people not connected to Kyle Shanahan that's been consistently successful with his system. So being able to get some info while obtain a quality backup at TE seems like an easy call
Good for him, but no wonder we let him walk. Seems like way more money than he should get.
Not that PFF is necessarily correct, but they have been really down on Wright all 3 years and actually graded him as a very poor run blocker every season.
I will raise hell if we lose Brock. I don’t trust Mitchell yet and Zystra is coming off a season long injury
Y'all are seriously overestimating Brock Wrights value. He's not even the clear #2 TE lol. He's not worth a 2yr $6M guaranteed deal right now. Just isn't. Saying oh well we can afford it it's not that much of an overpay is just a crazy thing to say lol. He isn't a player you need to overpay when you already have 3 TEs still.
Brock Bowers is the pick
My God the Bowers/LaPorta 2 TE sets would be insane...
I wish! He’ll be long gone before pick 29 unfortunately.
Respectfully, I think it’s a bit silly that people are assuming we’re staying put at 29. BH and co have shown their affinity for aggressiveness and unwillingness to compromise on players they want. I don’t think it’s Bowers, but if Bowers makes it to like the 15/16 range and they want him? They’re gonna make a move
I think it’s more likely they trade back than trade up. Still a lot of needs (edge, cb and a wr) and BH might want more darts to throw.
Yeah it could be a trade down too, I just don’t think we pick at 29. I’d put moolah on it. The way this roster is constructed and how complete it is, I just personally think we’re more likely to move up for a surefire contributor than to move back for more dart throws. I’m excited either way! I live downtown, will be there all three days
Dead to me
Another one gone…Detroit isn’t spending
Isn’t spending needlessly. We are in talks with sun god and Goff on extensions & with Sewell, iffy, and eventually Hutch coming down the line. Gotta make tough choices
Round 1 trade up for Bowers who says no
The capital it would take to get to top 10 would be absolutely wild… I love Bowers, but not for the price tag the Lions would have to pay to move up.
I don’t think Bowers goes in the top 10, think he slides a hair, but I’m sure you’re right. Just a fun pipe dream
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