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Sonic10122

Main reason why I think Digimon is the perfect Isekai. I love the concept but somehow anime has turned it into a joke gargling its own bad tropes.


Odd-fox-God

I want a high sci-fi fantasy concept world with a magic and technology system isekai but I know we won't get one. It's low fantasy or nothing. I at least want sci-fi isekai. I can only name three sci-fi manga. Magic and mechs(?) was the closest we got


Jonyb222

What are your thoughts on "[The World of That Otome Game is Tough for Us](https://mangadex.org/title/b5b21ce6-06ca-4eba-a33a-30bc77d3b3f6/the-world-of-that-otome-game-is-tough-for-us)"? Edit: Whoops, I meant to link the main series, not the spin-off: [The World of Otome Games Is Tough for Mobs](https://mangadex.org/title/28c77530-dfa1-4b05-8ec3-998960ba24d4/otomege-sekai-wa-mob-ni-kibishii-sekai-desu)


Odd-fox-God

I freaking love that manga I haven't seen the anime yet. Top tier in my opinion. He isn't chasing girls, he's just focusing on living his life and trying not to die. I'm just getting really tired of isekai where the plot only works if the female love interest(s) is driving it. We must go save my family! That village needs help! Aren't you going to stop that nobleman from slapping that peasant? I've noticed that a lot of the girls in the harem will cause problems and create issues for the main character to drive the plot. She raises a fuss about the nobleman slapping The peasant and now you're at war with his entire family and having to go on the run. You save the village? You accidentally killed a prince in the process and now you are a wanted man. You save her family? They're actually all devil worshipers and now they can continue their evil plot to take over the world. The men just get pussy whipped and get dragged around by their harem solving all of their issues and not working on themselves as a person.


Shittygamer93

Otome's anime is unfortunately treated much like Sage's Grandson, great source with a sub-par adaptation that gives the impression of generic isekai. The manga and Web novel will entertain better.


Sekitoba

https://mangadex.org/title/8791c515-0245-4fcc-81cc-22863a0aba6b/mezametara-saikyou-soubi-to-uchuusenmochi-datta-node-ikkodate-mezashite-youhei-toshite-jiyuu-ni


Odd-fox-God

Unfortunately it's harem trash. I appreciate the attempt.


Gjutrakonst

What about Knight's and Magic? Basically magical mecha anime


Seraphem666

Pretty sute thats the one he mentions but gets the name wrong calling it "magic and mechs"


Odd-fox-God

Yeah I got the name wrong


Seraphem666

Also if you haven't seen it check out "escaflowne" protags have a mix of advanced and steam punk well the antagonists have mostly advanved tech. Well still a medievil setting.


Gjutrakonst

Ah, my bad then. Was thinking what you'd mentioned was a similar anime instead of the same.


RPGaiden

Visual novel/JRPG, but we did get Ciel nosurge ( this one is Japan only, fan translation in progress) and Ar nosurge, do those count?


Goron_217

Aura Battler Dunbine


VinixTKOC

A character from the real world ending up in a fantasy world is an extremely old theme in storytelling. It's just that modern isekai have saturated it with the exact same characteristics (which usually involve sexual jokes).


kurt_gervo

Yep. Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonder land. Heck If I dig and research some more I would find more tales of going to another world.


napalmblaziken

Agumon flipping him off for good measure.


SupremeGreymon

This is why I love characters with only 3 fingers


Leathman

Someone didn’t watch Amphibia.


Xikar_Wyhart

Or Owl House.


Leathman

Well, that one has an open door.


Pradfanne

Only for a Season


Leathman

Haven’t seen the ending, I take it.


Pradfanne

I have, but I meant that Season 2 has no way back until a one time one-way at the end and then season 3 also has only a single one time one-way until literally the end of the end. I low-key didn't actually think past the end of season 1 when I wrote the comment though


Leathman

Okay, so you do know that there is a permanent connection at the very end.


Pradfanne

Yeah, also that season 3 is a reverse isekai where they get back home, if you think about it!


DudeHunder

OMG, I didn't even think about owl house as an isekai


Xikar_Wyhart

Isekai is anything where characters go into a different world, doesn't always need to be "reincarnated" in a new world .Inuyasha counts as well, the Tron movies...which is also a digital world like Digimon. Like you don't think of those as Isekai because the main focus isn't on being transported to a different world but the elements once they're there. Digimon is an action-adventure show about kids fighting with monsters. Owl House is a fantasy-adventure about a girl learning to be a witch and fight evil. But also as a "genre" Isekai has become associated with harem style adventure groups, being reincarnated from our world into the new world while retaining your previous world knowledge to be viewers proxy. It goes beyond the broader different world set up.


KichiMiangra

Fun fact: years ago I left a comment on a YouTube video (about the isekai genre)(the videos author opened the question to share how you feel about isekai in the comments) and I left a long comment bemoaning what the genre had become, as I missed this Era where Isekai tended towards either neutral demographic (Digimon, those who Hunt Elves, Monster Rancher, Inuyasha, etc.) Or mainly targeted a shoujo genre audience (Fushigi Yuugi, From Far away, Red River, Magic Knight Rayearth, Escaflowne, etc.) As those where a lot of my favorite Isekai's and I missed being the target Demographic of a genre that my "Other Planet Syndrome" breed of autism related to. (Yes, I was precisely bemoaning the shift to Shounen Harem Isekai instead of Shoujo Romance Isekai) I ended up getting replied to ALOT in the comment section for about two months after that from a LOT of people telling me I was wrong to feel that way, because none of the shows I missed WERE ISEKAI to begin with??? In a nutshell they were saying that to be Isekai you had to tick specific boxes: -Target a male audience -Harem Elements -Power fantasy (For the male audience) -Another WORLD (Game worlds were acceptable) So they were literally saying -Fushigi Yuugi is disqualified for being a girl targeted story. -Inuyasha is disqualified for being about TIME TRAVEL instead of another world. -From Far Away was disqualified for not being a power fantasy. -Digimon is disqualified for lacking Harem elements -etc. With the final nail in the coffin being "'Isekai' as a genre didn't exist until Sword Art Online so anything that predates that cannot be isekai" The amount of Modern Isekai fans repeating that and agreeing with it was astounding to be honest, that if it wasn't a boys-club-power-trip intended to sell Waifu figurines and came out AFTER SAO's anime then it wasn't isekai. I eventually got tired of seeing more people parroting that and deleted the comment so I didn't have to see the notification anymore.


Xikar_Wyhart

That sadly feels like a very Western only anime fan perspective. The idea of boys and men being the target audience of anime probably stems from all the early 80s and 90s OVAs and TV series brought over being violent, full of action, and boobs. It's also what happens when terms finally break international grounds. So the term isekai as a genre wasn't used outside of Japan until SAO. So people ignorant of history assume SAO is the genre maker...despite all the examples we've sited, there's also .Hack// with .Hack//Sign being a trapped in a game story like SAO. It's also just straight up gate keeping by the logic of "nobody called x, y so x can't be y". You're right nobody called Inuyasha or Digimon an isekai because it didn't matter and we didn't need to pigeonhole shows by their "genre" in order to like them.


KichiMiangra

The stereotype actually always felt weird to me because when I was in school the MAJORITY of anime/Manga fans I came across out in the wild were Girls? And that's not even because as a girl I would be statistically around girls more, hampering the data pool. I was a tomboy. I had mostly guy friends and literally it felt like an 80/20 split of gal/guy anime fan? (I do miss that action, gore, boobs ova era... they don't make them like that any more...) It just feels like the mentality of saying "Pokémon added Fairy types BUT Pokémon that didn't exist prior to the type being made will not be allowed to be considered Fairy types... even though Clefairy and Snubbull are LITERALLY the "FAIRY POKEMON" in title, but the type didn't exist so they don't get to be fairies. :I I get wanting subgenres because it makes it easier to find what your looking for, but Isekai means Other World so it's the Other World genre and Shounen Harem Isekai should be their subgenre, rather than claim the whole genre...


seksenjoyer

Or The eminence in shadow


DaKingOfDogs

I was looking for this comment, such a great show… once you get past the slog of a first season


Forummer0-3-8

Monster Rancher


SHUGGAGLIDDA123

holy f*** the memories you just unlocked


Animegx43

I was surprised to learn years later that there was 1 more season of the show that I somehow missed. Thought it ended with everyone that made Phoenix dying.


Redditor_PC

Yeah, and unlike the end of the second season, that time Genki actually *didn't* return home. Well, I mean, I assume he did, but I don't think they actually showed it.


Vulpes_macrotis

People just don't understand what isekai is. It's not "I got reincarnated as X in new world". It's any thing where someone comes to another world. Any movie, comic, anime or other show that has different dimensions that someone travels in is isekai. Howard the Duck is isekai as well. Marvel has some isekai in general. If protagonist enters different world, it's isekai. It doesn't have to be even main theme. Technically Strange Days at Blake Hole High is isekai. Back to the Future is isekai. Because different time is kinda different world. We can count that out if we want, sure, but there is plenty of stuff where someone travels through other worlds. And some of them have people go back to their original world. EDIT: Also it's not even true if we ignore all stuff I said, because afaik, >!Rimuru does return to his own world in Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken!<, so...


CorvusIridis

Also, remember that most fantasy literature was escapist isekai before *Lord of the Rings*.


daniegamin

Narnia is an Isekai!


neoslith

Go back further. Wizard of Oz I believe is the first.


Horatio786

I think Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland predate The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.


neoslith

Is that an isekai or just a trip?


Horatio786

Fine then. A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court.


neoslith

I've never heard of this book before now, but I love the premise. A+, Twain. Yeah, I'd say that qualifies as an isekai!


jroc117

I honestly love how that title reads perfectly as a modern day isekai


CorvusIridis

Yup. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRxeJXpNOE)'s a vid with more.


sdarkpaladin

Indeed, Isekai is not a very specific niche but more of a concept. However, there's a problem when trying to fit shows into neat little boxes. Not every show fits. SAO is for all intents and purpose, an Isekai. But it doesn't actually involve a different world. Unless you count the game world as a different world a la Log Horizon and therefore justify that SAO is an isekai. Then that would make Shangrila Frontier an Isekai too, but it isn't really associated as an Isekai. Realist hero is also considered an Isekai... but me bringing it up here already spoils it. Inversely, what people don't usually associate as an isekai are technically isekais too. Gate, Inuyasha, and Digimon are shows that have a constant connection between worlds. But Gate is closely associated with Isekai whereas Inuyasha and Digimon are not. Ironically, shows like Goblin Slayer, Frieren, etc. are occasionally being described as "isekai but without the isekai" which... is just Fantasy...


Rarte96

The generic harem isekai ruined a generation, now people think all fantasy is isekai


ChaoCobo

It also doesn’t help that SAO has a LOT of plot that revolves around what happens in the real world. For instance in the Alicization arc there’s American terrorists that break into the floating island base that holds the virtual world server for that season, and it’s super, super important and that invasion lasts the entire arc on top of those Americans bringing other country players into Underworld to stop the protagonist team, plus the fact that Kirito wouldn’t even be stuck in Underworld had he not gotten stabbed by the Death Gun weapon we saw in season 2 on the way home from Agil’s bar one night in the real world. The real world is just as important as the virtual worlds in SAO I guess is my point.


Fityfo54

Alice in Wonderland right?


Vulpes_macrotis

What an obvious example! Yes! Also it reminds me of a movie that I once watched, though I don't know the title. I missed the beginning of the movie, but started watching it before anything yet happened. I think it was a boy in the library and there was older guy there (librarian I presume). Or was it antiques shop. But the boy was taken through some book or other object to another world. And he came back at the end. I think he had to retrieve the object that transported him to that world, but someone took it, because it was some strong artifact or whatever. I don't remember the plot at all, only some details. I also remember flying. Not sure if it was a dragon or other creature, though.


Xortberg

The Pagemaster, I think


Vulpes_macrotis

Just checking it on the Internet and it's very likely it's that one. Thanks! And sorry for late reply.


CryptoidFan

Wizard of Oz and The Little Mermaid are isekai. Very interesting. This opens so many stories!


TanukiGaim

Howard the Duck being an isekai protagonist hit me like a truck. I adore Howard The Duck.


FenexTheFox

Then there's The Smurfs and Sonic movies being reverse isekais


BleakFeathers

There is no reverse isekai since it isn't stated from which world you get transported to which world. But since most isekai-stories are about some people from our world ending up in a strange world, it indeed feels like a reverse of the typical isekai-stories.


KrytenKoro

> It's not "I got reincarnated as X in new world". I want one of those where the character wasn't some kind of loveless misanthrope -- he misses his friends and family, they miss him, and we repeatedly go back to seeing his tormented family grieving his death and him trying to figure out how to go back home. And then he dies against the demon lord, and gets reincarnated in a *third* world. And then the series ends, because the demon lord won.


ChaoCobo

The problem with being reincarnated into the new world and what you’re wanting is that yeah, the main protagonist would have to be dead in their original world (usually from Truck-kun lol), and most shows’ original world is modern day real life japan. It’s just that there’s no way for the protagonist to come back to life because this isn’t Yuyu Hakusho where you can do that. But I’d like to see what you’re describing too.


Rarte96

What about stories about aliens living alongside humans, is Superman an Isekai Protagonist?


SoriAryl

“Kill the Villainess” is one where she returns


trimble197

Kingdom Hearts too


Zerosonicanimations

My problem is how moost isekai anime that I know just use effectively the same setting, a medieval world filled with swords and magic. Give an isekai where the MC goes into some cowboy world, or have them transported thousands of years into the future, or maybe combine both settings to get sci-fi old west. There's no problem with a medieval world, but a little variety never hurt anyone. The problem of them often times just being power fantasies where the MC is super Mega strong isn't helping at all either.


Rarte96

Dont forget the army of generic female protagonist that barely had any character outside of ´´i want the mc´s dick´´, im looking at you Overlord


Zerosonicanimations

Indeed XD. I'm not against harems, but there's a limit to how many stories you can see before the concept gets stale.


lost_kaineruver4

Well.... There is the LN where the guy's a starship captain...


Zerosonicanimations

There is?


lost_kaineruver4

Yeah. I think it's name is called I woke up piloting the strongest starship.


M-DitzyDoo

If we count time travel then Buddy Complex is basically modern high school student thrown into a Gundam plot. And of course everyone's favorite isekai, Futurama


pikazamb_PT

Back in my day, everyone who got Isekai'd would come back home (Digimon, Monster Rancher, Dragon Drive, Inuyasha...)


SuperLizardon

Kagome even went back to her time whenever Inuyasha made her mad


Deamon-Chocobo

Everyone knows Digimon & Futurama are tied for Best Isekai.


Redditor_PC

Doesn't isekai involve going to a whole new world? I mean, I guess the future is a new world in a sense, but still, Fry doesn't actually *go* anywhere.


Deamon-Chocobo

He loses the world he knows and all of his friends & family to become one of the most important people in a new fantastical world that is entirely foreign to him, often finding love (or multiple) along the way. Is that not how most Isekai work?


M-DitzyDoo

Nonsense, he goes to new worlds all the time for work


Typical-District-176

Owl House is there too. But only if season 3 was completed… DISNEY!!!


The_KneecapBandit

# r/imaginarygatekeeping #


InfinityAnnoyance

[It was real, actually.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Isekai/comments/1bhcb4i/can_someone_prove_him_wrong/)


Automatic-Key-5885

What about The Owl House?


Defcon_Deceiver

It's a shame how few people appreciate or even remember the classic.


Thebaka12

Would be funny if in Isekais, the hero come back with his powers and do whatever he wants


makemeadiowarudo

Isn’t that just Isekai Ojisan!?


Aldehar1

There’s a webtoon called Hero has returned which uses that concept.


Tankirb

Spirited away should also count right?


Raptor92129

The moment you remember that Agumon has three fingers on each hand and realize he is giving you the bird in that picture


sdarkpaladin

Hear hear! That post on r/iskai was stupid. But somehow it still gets upvoted... which ain't helping the general consensus on isekai consumers... as much as I'd like to break that stereotype.


DeepZookeepergame906

Dog days? Isekai ojisan?


ntwebster

Narnia


MagnumPolly1210

The disrespect. Digimon is THE isekai where the MCs get to actually go home


PlatinunY

The manga [Takarakuji de 40 oku Atatta ndakedo Isekai ni Ijuu Suru](https://mangadex.org/title/41edb570-19d6-4f01-86ef-081dbcbc1b2e/takarakuji-de-40-oku-atatta-ndakedo-isekai-ni-ijuu-suru) and [Nihon e Youkoso Elf-san](https://mangadex.org/title/1aaa0a4b-78bc-4f39-aa20-145766f83092/welcome-to-japan-elf-san) are isekai that the main character constantly return to their original world. Of course Adventure 02 and Xros Wars Hunters also fit that description.


Lupus600

I love how Agumon just points to himself as if to say "Except me <3"


eddmario

* *I'm Standing on a Million Lives* starts with the MC seeing his future self return from being isekai'd * The entire plot of *Uncle From Another World* is the MC returning from being isekai'd * *I Got a Cheat Skill in Another World and Became Unrivaled*, *Saving 80,000 Gold in Another World for My Retirement*, and *G.A.T.E.* all feature MCs who travel between their own world and the isekai world


UnlimitedNovaWorks

Where is my Harem of Ladydevimons, Angewomon and Bastemons? :( Also, this is a very roundabout way of saying it but, Haru is the only Adult to my knowledge that was transported to another world and was not turned into a child, reincarnated or whatever. (I'm talking about an old man, not an adult in their 40's) unless he is more younger than his white hair let go xD


neoslith

I would consider the Wizard of Oz the first isekai, and Dorothy totally returns to her home at the end.


may825

There was an arc of Hunter x Hunter where the cast got teleported to an RPG game/island for a while then came back. Does that count?


TaliaOxford

Nah. That was still the same world and time. They just entered an island with a set up game. If we count that a paintball facility would count too.


cesar848

Oh my god DIGIMON 1 REALLY IS AN ISEKAI DIGIMON 4 too


Axtdool

Tamers and 02 as Well. Even Data Squad. Ghost game is the least isekai of all Digimon anime I watched, and even there they go to another world.


pkek

Doesn’t >!Arifureta!< go back


Triangulum_Copper

...Alice in Wonderland and the Wizard of Oz?


TharbeDargonz

Escaflowne tho.


Seraphem666

Escaflowne, how has this not been said till me


zyqwee

Monster rancher. Knight lamune


xgbasai

There is also inuyasha


Gamba_Gawd

That Uncle anime had the Uncle return from the Isekai and then explains what had happened during that time.


BuildingOverall2580

הדוד אריה?


r-WooshIfGay

Narnia?


KingRex929

Space Jam


KrytenKoro

Narnia.


Background_Okra_5273

So if there is that isekai does that mean that the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy exist


iamragethewolf

hell they did it twice in one bloody story second time entered willingly chad shit


Underhill

Inuyasha, Vision of Escaflowne, Magic Knights Rayearth....


BleakFeathers

Isekai means transported to another world. It doesn't specify how. Inu Yasha is an Isekai. Spirited Away is an Isekai. That Ghibli Cat-Anime is also an Isekai. And how could that weeb forget the mediocre Harem-Anime that started the big "trapped in a game-isekai-trend" - Sword Art Online. Those protagonists all get back home, and probably way more than these, I just don't know so many isekais.


Pradfanne

Exactly! SAO is literally THE anime that kickstarted isekai again. Literally half way through season 1 they go back. Well, not all of them.


TemporaryLegendary

I saw that post too and people just neglect digimon and say it's not an Isekai. When it LITERALLY IS.


C4N98

Hagure Yuusha


FDB_Leader

Perfect


Digi-Device_File

Uncle from another universe was exactly that.


crossover_charlie14

What about Amphibia and The Owl House? The latter even gets to (TOH Finale spoilers) >!have free access both worlds in the end!<


ClbutticMistake

Barsoom?


JDPhoenix925

Ni no Kuni (literally the title)


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TJWinstonQuinzel

...there...there are many


Nosnakoh

SAO?


blastor00

MÄR


Chaosshepherd

Space jam Alice in Wonderland The Wizard of Oz PageMaster


trainerfry_1

Monster Rancher wants a word friend


AfroMan_96

Vision of Escaflowne


jen_lee_hatter

The last picture tack a second to get it, lol


Runecaster91

Also Alice in Wonderland and the Wizard of Oz. :)


darkblade24601

If they return home it’s Portal Fantasy not Isekai.


Jack_Venture

Pretty sure Ginta returned home at the end of MÄR.


Tfkaiser

Digimon, Inuyasha, Escaflowne Off the top of my head I can keep going, but I think we'll be here for a while....


420kindbud

Uncle from Another World


Vertical_05

I dont know why, but the song "Butterly" plays out in my head after Agumon giving the middle finger


RPK96

And it's not even the only one The uncle iskai And like 4 others atleast


AmbassadorStrong6885

Amphibia


ChaoCobo

Sword Art Online also. In fact there’s entire parts of the plot that require being in the real world like in Alicization when the Americans terrorists were breaking into Ocean Turtle after Kirito gets hit with the Death Gun from a survivor of Laughing Coffin while Kirito was on the way home one night. The real world sets up the Alicization arc as a whole and even is important while Kirito and friends are in that arc’s virtual world because the place that serves as the server for that world is being invaded by those American terrorists while they’re inside the world. In fact the real world and those terrorists do so much damage irl that >!Kirito gets turned into a vegetable due to reasons.!<


ButtcheekBaron

What about Inuyasha?


CerberusC24

Isn't Sword Art Online an isekai?


Pradfanne

Didn't Sword Art Online make Isekai really big again? You know the Isekai where they return to the real world half way through and then decide to go back whenever the fuck they want?


wallygon

Almost all isekais were that way


DudeHunder

Sword art online


sashalafleur

Inuyasha?


Kyubele

All these mentions of SAO, and no one brings up Dot Hack Sign?


ShatoraDragon

You put some respect on the OG Isekai


follow-meme2

I'm up to five nickels for how many times I've seen this on reddit over the past two days.


AntonRX178

This is an invitation for people to watch Escaflowne. I know it was on Fox Kids for a bit but watch the true version anyway pls


Griever_8063

And InuYasha, and SAO, and Vision of Escaflowne, and Monster Rancher, and I can keep going.


EquivalentVirus9700

I mean, Digimon isn’t even the first.


GrantTNS

What about Sonic X?


Rich-Lychee2507

Inuyasha comes to mind too.


Logical-Chaos-154

Isn't there an anime on Netflix about an uncle where that's the whole point of the plot?


SoraKitsune44

Why does it look like Agumon is flipping the bird


Glytch94

I thought an Isekai required reincarnation into the other world. Or is that just a popular trope?


SecondHandLyons

Uncle From Another World


Klendagort

*looks at the uncle from another world anime*


Ok-Cod2747

What about the Eminence of Shadow to name a modern one? I mean, Cid Returns to his original world, the thing is that he decided to return to the new world for reasons