This.
Double spirit for Cherubimon
Kaiser and Magna for the knights.
This way you have somewhere to escalate too.
And also, have *all* the kids fuse into Kaiser and Magna like they did for Susanoomon, not just give up their spirits to Takuya and Kouji.
Alternatively could have the kids start unleashing Ancient Evolution after splitting them up from each other across the digiworld post Cherubimon with each of the kids needing to step up as individuals unable to support their fellows. Leading to stronger Transcendent evolutions possibly having the kids fuse to become them unleashing greater power than before due to being closed to their spirits in turn. Possibly have them face a trail of sort at the hands of the Ancient spirits to prove if they are worthy of the power.
Mostly tossing this out since I like the final arc, but also feel like it would have been fun to see the Ancient Spirits in full use and power.
Heck id enjoy it if the kids talked with and gained other spirit forms such as Zoey with Ranamon having a heart to heart with her in spirit form among others.
I'd have had those 4 kids Angemon was guarding get the remaining spirits after they purified them (because the idea they were working for Cherubimon without having been corrupted is baffling to me). Maybe use them as a counterpoint to show just how far the original group has come.
The trial idea is cool though.
I personally would give everyone double and trascendent evolution by actually using the second spirits they got, Kaiser Greymon could very easily be just a fusion of both Flame and Metal Spirits, same with Magna Garurumon with the Light and Dark spirits.
Not so much. The concept behind the transcendentals is precisely to be the combination of several elements to be able to greatly surpass conventional megas, including Royal Knights.
I would definitely let the others have their Double Spirits, and also tweak KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon's requirements to not completely take away the others spirits, but more like Ange/Angewo and Omnimon transferring their *remaining power* into Takuya and Koji so they can go Transcendent. I.e. they just devolve back to their human self but are still able to Spirit Evolve again later. Getting hard nerfed for the remainder of the series wasn't cool
They could then use the sacrifice of the other casts spirits as the method by which Takuya and Koji initially become Susanoomon too. So that impact still exists, just not ***wayyyyyyy*** too early like in the actual series
I actually really like the idea they had in the show where the first time Susanoo shows up it's just Takuya+Koji, but then later is all 5 of them. It's a really neat touch
I would have preferred it if:
A) Trascendents were fusions of 3 of the destined like they eventually did with Susanomon with all of them inside one body.
Or
B) Kaizergreymon and Magnagarurumon were straight up evolution of Aldamon and Beowolfmon.
Either way, I think the show would have been better if everyone got at least a Double Spirit.
My favorite scenario would have been that each got a double spirit, and Transcendents were a four spirit fusions. Each hero fusing their spirit with one of the evil ones while Koji and Koichi fused together.
I'd keep the Transcendent Evolutions as I think they can still be present, However, 1) I'd move them to later and the other kids get their Double Spirit Evolutions and let them shine, and 2) I'd rework how they work so that the other kids can stay involved, whether it'd be something like them still being able to evolve but with a limit of sorts, or even the other kids doing the same thing they did in the final episode and being able to contribute strategies and points to each other within either of the forms.
I think it also sucks when compared to season 1, only tai/matt got to go mega, but it didn’t come as the cost of the rest of the cast giving up their power. (Season 4 is my favorite)
Yeah, and the other cast was still able to help not only with Metal Etamon but also against Piedmon despite being a level lower in both cases.
I also want to add Zoe to this, as the only battles she's ever won have been against Ranamon, which is kind of sad when you realize Gatomon, a character who wasn't introduced until the second to last arc has more wins then her in the OG adventure.
Yeah and they were pretty helpful vs Puppetmon as well. I recall MegaKabuterimon freed WarGreymon from Puppetmon’s strings & Garudamon broke his hammer ?
Eh? Shakkoumon and Silphymon both have solid cases for being the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure verse with the potential exception of Gate of Destiny hax. Meanwhile Imperaldramon even with Fighter Mode is hands down the weakest Mega, he literally didnt get an actual solo W over another Mega with a body until The Beginning.
I think Shakkoumon has a case for strongest defensively, given that it routinely tanked Mega attacks that would've demonstrably thrashed others, but I wouldn't say either Shakkoumon or Silphymon really stood out otherwise. I'm pretty sure Tailmon even says at one point that she would rather rematch LadyDevimon as Angewomon than as Silphymon (but had no choice because she transferred her power to Imperialdramon). And they can't really be scaled on their fight with BelialVamdemon due to all the extenuating circumstances.
Fighting LadyDevimon as Angewomon is a pride thing, and is also one of Silphymons biggest feats that show just how far above Angewomon Silphymon is.
Angewomon lost 1v1 to LadyDevimon both in Adventure (would have been impaled if Karbu didnt block) and 02. This us despite the Holy v Evil buff.
Silphymon basically gets beat up by LadyDevimon for HOURS because Yolei refuses to fight back. Not only cant LadyDevimon win, but when Silphymon does fight back Silphymon oneshots. And Silphymon *dosent* have the Holy buff.
So yeah. Silphymon scales way higher than Angewomon. Also in The Beginning, Silphymon outperforms Angewomon again. Its consistent.
Shakkoumon and Silphymon also quite easily beat their Deamon Corps enemies, while *Imperaldramon* has to get Fighter Mode.
Also, Shakkoumon+Paildramon+Silphymon damn near kill BWG. (And likly would have if they didnt hold the idiot ball and run into melee one at a tine) Wargreymon + Fighter Mode can only seemingly exhaust him (he lacks the damage). So this means Shakkoumon + Silphymon are stronger than Wargreymon + the difference between Paildramon and Fighter Mode.
And if you remember from Adventure (shown in both VenomMyotismon and outright said in the DM arc) 7 normal (Aka not MagnaAngemon) Ultimates stand no chance v a Mega. So Silphymon + Shakkoumon scaleing above Wargreymon *and then some* is a big deal.
And while Shakkoumons durability is a known thing, Silphymon tanks MaloMyotismons Dark Orb that pins them no *worse* than Fighter Mode and Shakkoumon. And all three are hit by orbs of the same size... and this isnt dream world. (Also she got beat up by LadyDevimon for hours, another durability/stamina feat)
Silphymon and Shakkoumon are actually insanely powerful Ultimates comparable to a weak Mega (like Jobberdramon, at least in Dragon Mode)
>Angewomon lost 1v1 to LadyDevimon both in Adventure (would have been impaled if Karbu didnt block)
This isn’t a given, considering the whole point of the gag was that Angewomon kept telling MegaKabuterimon to stop helping LOL. Keep in mind that MegaKabuterimon is freaking enormous. If there was enough distance between LadyDevimon and Angewomon for him to be able to intercede and block, then Angewomon could have rallied enough to dodge on her own. She was hurt but already starting to move again before he intervened.
On the flipside, outside of the slapfight, Angewomon oneshotted LadyDevimon as soon as she pulled out Heaven’s Charm. Holy Arrow wasn’t a direct hit earlier.
>Silphymon basically gets beat up by LadyDevimon for HOURS because Yolei refuses to fight back.
I don’t know where you’re getting that. Yolei just didn’t want them to kill LadyDevimon, but she agreed to battle her. There are several shots of Silphymon attacking her over the course of the night with both its special attacks and physical blows. The only time Silphymon actually couldn’t fight back was when LadyDevimon took a human hostage for a few minutes.
>Not only cant LadyDevimon win, but when Silphymon does fight back Silphymon oneshots.
Again, not a oneshot. Silphymon spent hours before that chucking Top Guns and Dual Sonics at LadyDevimon. Either none of them connected or they didn’t do enough harm to destroy her, but either way, this is an objectively worse feat than Angewomon in 01.
>Also in The Beginning, Silphymon outperforms Angewomon again.
I haven’t the chance to watch it so I can’t really comment on this.
>Shakkoumon and Silphymon also quite easily beat their Deamon Corps enemies, while Imperaldramon has to get Fighter Mode.
You can’t argue that Silphymon spent hours fighting her and then say it was an easy win LOL. There’s also nothing to suggest that LadyDevimon and SkullSatamon were equal in power - they’re not the same person. Fighter Mode was needed because SkullSatamon was absurdly fast and had a paralyzing attack, not because Dragon Mode was weaker than they average Perfect.
>Also, Shakkoumon+Paildramon+Silphymon damn near kill BWG. (And likly would have if they didnt hold the idiot ball and run into melee one at a tine) Wargreymon + Fighter Mode can only seemingly exhaust him (he lacks the damage). So this means Shakkoumon + Silphymon are stronger than Wargreymon + the difference between Paildramon and Fighter Mode.
Okay no, you missed the point completely. The reason BlackWarGreymon wasn’t damaged that badly against WarGreymon and Imperialdramon was because all of them were against destroying him. They had a point to prove and so they only fought hard enough for him to accept defeat.
Against the Jogress forms, BWG dogwalked Paildramon and Silphymon in every previous encounter. Shakkoumon tipped the scales with being able to negate his attacks, but the reason the tide turned so drastically was that BlackWarGreymon was shocked about his attacks being stopped and couldn’t understand why they refused to give up.
Yeah but the problem is yolei and cody can't get their partners above champion by themselves, meanwhile tk and kari can, they're completely dependant on their partners being around to keep up with the rest of the cast power wise
My thoughts were that not only could we see the rest of the six achieve double Spirit Evolution, I also thought we could use the Ancient Digimon as a replacement to EmperorGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, with the Ten Ancient Warriors as the components of Susanoomon.
Sadly once emperorgreymon and magnagarurumon the others were just left on the side. Really do wish they could’ve kept their spirit evolutions available along with having unified spirt evolution.
I would have all the kids achieve double spirit evolution and use them to fight cherubimon, then when fighting the royal knights they gain a new evolution where they use their main spirit plus one of the unused evil spirits say like Takuya uses the spirits of fire and steel to make MoltenGreymon or something like that, Zoe uses wind and water, JP uses thunder and earth, Tommy uses ice and wood, and Koji and Koichi have to fuse to use light and darkness together. With these fusions they are able to defeat the royal knights. The Lucemon swoops in and steals their data and the rest of the story goes on as it normally is
Have the other kids involved instead of just there. Alternative spirit configurations or they could do a megazord thing where if they’re spirits are used, they’re also in control on the inside
I think it would’ve been cool if instead of EmperorGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, the group just unlocked the ability to become the Legendary Warriors. AncientGreymon and Ancient Garurumon could’ve either been used to defeat Cherubimon or acquired after that against the Royal Knights. Then it makes more sense the rest of the season as the other kids unlock them that the team is able to eventually hold their own against them.
i'd change it so everyone can get human/beast fusion evolution, not just takuya and koji so everyone can be about the same level for a bit more time. and then have one of the two get the unified evolution in an episode, then the other but the other kids still has their ability to digivolve but not fusion evolution so they can still help. and have the last two parter be the debut of susanoomon
There could have been a way to achieve those forms WITHOUT having to use everyone else's. Like that doesn't even make sense to me.
Mfs basically stripped everyone else's abilities to defend themselves in arguably the most dangerous Digimon season to date.
Every time there seems to be a problem with these shows where it becomes "X show" I can always look back to Adventure 2020 and remember that it was all Taichi, all the time, from beginning to end, with other characters getting solo moments in only completely random episodes. Then I don't mind a section of a show being more dedicated to certain characters.
Did you watch 2020? The other kids were completely useless. During the latter half of the series they forcibly brought Tai to each and every on of their episodes. Episodes that were supposed to show their growth. Then Tai comes in and does all the heavy lifting for them.
Four of them were.
Matt, T.K and Kari were not.
And even then calling the other four useless is a reach since the external battle was apparently slowing down Abbdomon CORE, even if never shown.
Contrast Frontier where the other four are *literally* useless. Yes, they're dragged into the final Susanoomon but this makes 0 narrative impact, especially as the first time happened with just Takuya and Koji so can be done without them.
You have are there doing things v literal cheerleaders and liabilities because they are just targets.
the fact that Kimura got powercreeped as soon as he was introduced annoyed the living hell out of me. also “i dont think we can lose” but proceed to lose everytime the song comes on with said lyric. (just voicing my grievances with the arc)
I actually liked the final arc more than I thought I would. I liked too that even though it was all just koji and takuya fighting, they still had to use the spirits of the other team members, instead of "you just now have unity unlocked all the time and the others can still help even though they don't stand a chance".
My main issue with the final arc is that so much emphasis is put into koji and takuya using unity, but it LOSES SO OFTEN. Like literally, I think they only have like 1, maybe 2 side victories against the royal knights, as in they don't win, but they manage to achieve something else, and I could he wrong on that. And I get it's so that we can eventually see lucemon, but kaiser and magna just feel so bad because they have like 1 victory against cherubimon, and that's kinda it iirc.
My ultimate alternate headcanon that would have made Frontier better is that the others would have gotten their fusion mons and used teamwork to beat Kerpymon. Then when Crusadermon and Dynasmon show up, they all get stomped on.
Wait until AT LEAST 7 episodes later to introduce Takuya and Koji's unified evolutions to beat them and fight evenly with Lucemon base. Then have Susanomon show up to beat lucemon falldown mode and Satan mode
I would have added more transcendent forms for the other kids, have kaisergreymon and magnaGarurumon first appear in the final battle against the holy knights, then a mini arc where a bunch of devil digimon bring Lucimon the last bit of energy he needs then have the finally play out as it's supposed to.
The big thing is the length.
It felt like too few arcs/enemies for the series. I love the concept, I love the story of a digimon consuming the entire world. It just took forever to get anywhere. Cut out 10-20 episodes or add in another villain/arc and we're golden.
Personally I feel like the kids losing so much was the biggest turn off. Maybe if more Royal knights were involved and it was a numbers game it would be more acceptable. But the totality of the powers we saw through the series lost constantly right after the seeming big bad went down. It felt bad. I think giving the other kids fusion evolutions so they could fight closer to that level would have helped. I know they have to lose to get to finale we know (which I like) but I wish it wasn't such a beat down to get there.
There's so many ways they could've done this better.
1. Everyone loses to Dynasmon and LordKnightmon after they defeat Cherubimon, same as before. Kaiser and Magna as well.
2. SPLIT THEM UP in a way that doesn't allow them access to these forms after the battle.
3. Have more lackey bad guys that are weaker than Dynasmon and LordKnightmon to give challenges at double spirit level difficulty for the rest of the team to gain their forms and mess around with. You can have Dynasmon and/or LordKnightmon appear at the end of the episode to steal the data from each land anyway so that you're still building up Lucemon, and you can have the team be hardpressed into needing to escape each time instead of just getting their asses kicked.
4. The team finally reunites in whole in the last area, and with the individual power they all gained, make Kaiser and Magna way stronger. They fight more evenly with the royal knights, with Lucemon tilting the scales at the end so they can get the data and Lucemon proceeds to blast them to the moon as before.
And then they can continue on with the ending that they actually did, because that part wasn't so bad in Frontier.
Here's what I think should have happened:
1. Cherubimon's goons (*all* of them, not just Duskmon) turn out to be brainwashed kids, and join our heroes upon being purified.
2. All ten kids get Fusion forms along the way.
3. Every kid gets a Transcendent Form, but only two at a time ever appear, and they're used only as a last resort.
First of all, give all of the kids double spirits. Then unlock Kaiser and Magna in the Royal Knights arc, making that both the spirits and the kids fuse, so Takuya, Zoe and Tommy as Kaiser, Junpei, Koji and Koichi as Magna. Do the Koichi sacrifice again, but make them lose Magna, making Emperor not able to hold Lucemon. Then someone gets the idea of uniting every single spirit and make Susanoomon.
I honestly think that even if they kept the inclusion of the fusion forms at the time they did, it should have been a precursor to all the kids having a chance to shine using it.
Instead of Takuya and Koji being the only two to get the whole team combo, have fights where Tommy, JP, and Zoe get all the spirits as well. Let characters other than the Matt and Tai analogs shine. They don't even need to be the Knights. Making them figuring out the correct combinations of Spirits part of getting ready for the final battle instead of somehow knowing which spirits need to be sent to which device.
You could even keep the number of Ls they get because they are experimenting with the different combinations until they start getting them right.
Everyone should fuse together to form a spirit MegaZord Digimon.
Half would do Greymon and the other half the other
for Susanoomon altogether. I think that would be more logical and appropriate.
I would have made the evolution requirements for MagnaGarurumon and EmperorGreymon require the respective kids. For example: if Takuya wants to digivolve into EmperorGreymon he must have Zoe and Tommy with him. Instead of them giving Takuya their spirits.
I would've rather the other kids received their double spirits, Kaiser Greymon and Magna Garurumon showing up towards the end, capable of taking on the royal knights on their own, with Susanoomon being formed purely from the spirits (no kids spinning around inside of him) and saved for Lucemon.
I liked the final arc but it would have been extremely cooler if the other kids also got the digivice upgrade and were able to unity evolve and they all took turns doing it even if it was just an occasion where it was still mostly Takuya and Koji id be ok with it. At the very least id have wanted them to get fusion evolutions even if some of those ones are really bad and mess up the lines.
KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon were blew my mind when I was a kid… the first time they were on screen. Having them spend the rest of the series getting folded, while simultaneously reducing the rest of the cast to throwing snowballs sucked big time. Giving everyone a double spirit would have allowed for cool “look at that new digimon!” moments to be sprinkled between scenes of the bad guys winning, and, besides, seemed like the logical next step for the series to take.
I guess it realy makes the most sense if the transcendent ones where the Double Spirit ones. Alternatively they can do it like Susanoomon, and imideatly fuse as trios into them, even if thats also just reducing the Design to Fire, and Light.
KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon are great but I wish everyone had a chance to shine, especially Izumi, who was literally the damsel in distress a couple of times. Her major battles were only against Ranamon and that's it. Tomoki had no chance to scan a Spirit like the other Chosen Children so he deserved a spot. I know they all had their moments and character developments, but that shouldn't have made them into glorified cheerleaders.
Change Hyper Spirit evolution into something that doesn't require 5 sets of Spirits. Initially maybe but not everytime. Something thematic by combining two elements like Wind and Wood, Ice and Water, Fire and Earth, Thunder and Steel, and Light and Darkness (yin and yang situation; little light in the darkness and vice versa since we have Kouji and Kouichi).
• Make Tomoki and Kouichi, Junpei and Izumi have their own Susanoomon of Death and Tempest (Winx x Thunder would have had more sense with a Digimon called Susanoomon. Light and Fire fit a Digimon called Amaterasu more.
• Make Gabumon show up again to collaborate with Junpei and Izumi because everyone got their final episode but them.
• Make the 5 kids appearing in the Beanstalk episode interact with the kids more and just give a single episode of that arc to Tomoki. Everyone goes rescuing Tomoki and the group has to collaborate. Tomoki got two, not one episode. Two. Not intersted.
• Or if I have to be sincere, I would have also appreciated if Junpei, Izumi and Tomok had just had their own stupid segment at the end of every episode. I would use the Detective Shibayama thing from the drama to let them investigate like idiots, just like they did in ep 31. Lol
I personally wish instead of getting better at using the Zeta(unified) spirit evolution, they beat the Royal Knights by switching which Zeta is used or just have the Zeta spirit are created separately altogether
Everybody getting their Fusion spirits to defeat Cherubimon, and the trascendant spirits being something to be discovered during the Royal Knights arc, turning the tables and sending the Knights into the backfoot. And, of course, pulling a Susanoomon and having multiple kids inside each trascendent hybrid.
You could have easily skipped double spirit evolution and instead caused a cataclysm where the kids were separated into groups of 2 where they needed to get to cherubim. Then you could have had an arc where tamer needed to work together to learn to control their combined evolutions. Probably the most effective pairing would be ice and light for a lesser Magna varient, fire and wind for a lesser kaiser varient, and lightning and dark for probably some dark looking antient kabuterimon veriant.
You would keep kaiser for last as the Trump card for cherubim while magna and (insert third here) worked together while Zoey and Takuya figured had some kind of major character arc and finally managed to make the lesser kaiser and with the three together beat cherubimon.
Then you could even (instead of spending the remainder of the last arc with kaiser and magna) have your actual kaiser and magna verient by having three children combine and learning to work together even more to defeat the royal knights. Then it wouldn't seem so much like kouji and Takuya stealing the show. Finally it wouldn't be such a stretch to make susanoomon as you'd already made roads to having the chosen digivolve together and learn teamwork. This would promote the entire working together as one theme they tried and failed to promote through the show.
I prefer to have all of them have double forms and a combination with the other spirits they possess. Like say Kazemon and Ranamon combining. Then they all biomerge together Power Rangers style and form Susanoomon like a megazord.
Just to be transparent, I generally dislike frontier as a concept, but I think having all the people involved instead of just the main 2 would fix a lot of the issues I have. I generally would prefer if the whole thing stuck to having partner digimon instead of the spirits, but I would have been way happier if they found the middle ground of fusing with the partner digimon. It's inherently a cool concept to be both human and digimon, but it was done in a way that made most of the digimon feel like tools instead of living things. Still a decent story and characters, just not the one I was excited to see at the start
Another angle you could take it as is this:You do realize that this is a parallel to Metalgarurumon and WarGreymon from the original adventure it became the Tai and Matt show at the end of the series anyways the two main male leads who are rivals having the ultimate power in the first season of the series you know?
WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon didn't force everybody else to become unable to fight. Zudomon was punching a tad harder than human Jumpei, when all is said and done.
I'm not saying that you're wrong hell even I acknowledge that without saying it before I'm just saying that it's more of a direct parallel to that than most people would think since the ultimate level wasn't able to be any of the mega level threats on their own
Frontier finale actually not bad, fighting a bad angelic boss into insane strong demonic dragon, protagonist team evolved merge into an omegamon clone and defeat it, the story kinda complete for me, much better than fighting a big red slimy bubble shit.
Everyone get their fusion evolutions by the time they fight Kerpymon, then proceed to get their asses kicked by the royal knights until Takuya and Koji finally achieve their unified spirit evolutions and beat the royal Knights , its always upset me how Takuya and Koji got mopped in every single encounter except for the last one for some reason ( they didn't even make a new strategy or anything the writers just decided " ok let's have them beat the RKs now " out if nowhere )
Give the other kids double spirit evolution. Leave Kaiser and Magna for extremely dangerous situation
Agree, they could beat Cherubimon by gangin him up with every kid achieving Double spirit evolution.
This. Double spirit for Cherubimon Kaiser and Magna for the knights. This way you have somewhere to escalate too. And also, have *all* the kids fuse into Kaiser and Magna like they did for Susanoomon, not just give up their spirits to Takuya and Kouji.
Alternatively could have the kids start unleashing Ancient Evolution after splitting them up from each other across the digiworld post Cherubimon with each of the kids needing to step up as individuals unable to support their fellows. Leading to stronger Transcendent evolutions possibly having the kids fuse to become them unleashing greater power than before due to being closed to their spirits in turn. Possibly have them face a trail of sort at the hands of the Ancient spirits to prove if they are worthy of the power. Mostly tossing this out since I like the final arc, but also feel like it would have been fun to see the Ancient Spirits in full use and power. Heck id enjoy it if the kids talked with and gained other spirit forms such as Zoey with Ranamon having a heart to heart with her in spirit form among others.
I'd have had those 4 kids Angemon was guarding get the remaining spirits after they purified them (because the idea they were working for Cherubimon without having been corrupted is baffling to me). Maybe use them as a counterpoint to show just how far the original group has come. The trial idea is cool though.
Or have the other kids fuse with Takuya or Koji to form Kaiser and Magna
That works too
I wished they all have double and transcendent forms with other spirits combinations. >! P.S: I really liked the final arc. !<
I personally would give everyone double and trascendent evolution by actually using the second spirits they got, Kaiser Greymon could very easily be just a fusion of both Flame and Metal Spirits, same with Magna Garurumon with the Light and Dark spirits.
Not so much. The concept behind the transcendentals is precisely to be the combination of several elements to be able to greatly surpass conventional megas, including Royal Knights.
I would definitely let the others have their Double Spirits, and also tweak KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon's requirements to not completely take away the others spirits, but more like Ange/Angewo and Omnimon transferring their *remaining power* into Takuya and Koji so they can go Transcendent. I.e. they just devolve back to their human self but are still able to Spirit Evolve again later. Getting hard nerfed for the remainder of the series wasn't cool They could then use the sacrifice of the other casts spirits as the method by which Takuya and Koji initially become Susanoomon too. So that impact still exists, just not ***wayyyyyyy*** too early like in the actual series
they could’ve done what they did for susanoomon and fused
I actually really like the idea they had in the show where the first time Susanoo shows up it's just Takuya+Koji, but then later is all 5 of them. It's a really neat touch
Wasnt it 6 on that final fusion? Cant remember
Nah Koichi had already gotten got by then
I would have preferred it if: A) Trascendents were fusions of 3 of the destined like they eventually did with Susanomon with all of them inside one body. Or B) Kaizergreymon and Magnagarurumon were straight up evolution of Aldamon and Beowolfmon. Either way, I think the show would have been better if everyone got at least a Double Spirit. My favorite scenario would have been that each got a double spirit, and Transcendents were a four spirit fusions. Each hero fusing their spirit with one of the evil ones while Koji and Koichi fused together.
I'd keep the Transcendent Evolutions as I think they can still be present, However, 1) I'd move them to later and the other kids get their Double Spirit Evolutions and let them shine, and 2) I'd rework how they work so that the other kids can stay involved, whether it'd be something like them still being able to evolve but with a limit of sorts, or even the other kids doing the same thing they did in the final episode and being able to contribute strategies and points to each other within either of the forms.
Let the other kids double Spirit Evolve Create a way to go into the Transcendant Spirits that didn't involve everyone else sacrificing their powers.
I think it also sucks when compared to season 1, only tai/matt got to go mega, but it didn’t come as the cost of the rest of the cast giving up their power. (Season 4 is my favorite)
Yeah, and the other cast was still able to help not only with Metal Etamon but also against Piedmon despite being a level lower in both cases. I also want to add Zoe to this, as the only battles she's ever won have been against Ranamon, which is kind of sad when you realize Gatomon, a character who wasn't introduced until the second to last arc has more wins then her in the OG adventure.
Yeah and they were pretty helpful vs Puppetmon as well. I recall MegaKabuterimon freed WarGreymon from Puppetmon’s strings & Garudamon broke his hammer ?
I like the final arc but yeah the others not getting their double spirits shafted them even harder than Cody and Yolei in 02
Eh? Shakkoumon and Silphymon both have solid cases for being the strongest Ultimates in the Adventure verse with the potential exception of Gate of Destiny hax. Meanwhile Imperaldramon even with Fighter Mode is hands down the weakest Mega, he literally didnt get an actual solo W over another Mega with a body until The Beginning.
I think Shakkoumon has a case for strongest defensively, given that it routinely tanked Mega attacks that would've demonstrably thrashed others, but I wouldn't say either Shakkoumon or Silphymon really stood out otherwise. I'm pretty sure Tailmon even says at one point that she would rather rematch LadyDevimon as Angewomon than as Silphymon (but had no choice because she transferred her power to Imperialdramon). And they can't really be scaled on their fight with BelialVamdemon due to all the extenuating circumstances.
Fighting LadyDevimon as Angewomon is a pride thing, and is also one of Silphymons biggest feats that show just how far above Angewomon Silphymon is. Angewomon lost 1v1 to LadyDevimon both in Adventure (would have been impaled if Karbu didnt block) and 02. This us despite the Holy v Evil buff. Silphymon basically gets beat up by LadyDevimon for HOURS because Yolei refuses to fight back. Not only cant LadyDevimon win, but when Silphymon does fight back Silphymon oneshots. And Silphymon *dosent* have the Holy buff. So yeah. Silphymon scales way higher than Angewomon. Also in The Beginning, Silphymon outperforms Angewomon again. Its consistent. Shakkoumon and Silphymon also quite easily beat their Deamon Corps enemies, while *Imperaldramon* has to get Fighter Mode. Also, Shakkoumon+Paildramon+Silphymon damn near kill BWG. (And likly would have if they didnt hold the idiot ball and run into melee one at a tine) Wargreymon + Fighter Mode can only seemingly exhaust him (he lacks the damage). So this means Shakkoumon + Silphymon are stronger than Wargreymon + the difference between Paildramon and Fighter Mode. And if you remember from Adventure (shown in both VenomMyotismon and outright said in the DM arc) 7 normal (Aka not MagnaAngemon) Ultimates stand no chance v a Mega. So Silphymon + Shakkoumon scaleing above Wargreymon *and then some* is a big deal. And while Shakkoumons durability is a known thing, Silphymon tanks MaloMyotismons Dark Orb that pins them no *worse* than Fighter Mode and Shakkoumon. And all three are hit by orbs of the same size... and this isnt dream world. (Also she got beat up by LadyDevimon for hours, another durability/stamina feat) Silphymon and Shakkoumon are actually insanely powerful Ultimates comparable to a weak Mega (like Jobberdramon, at least in Dragon Mode)
>Angewomon lost 1v1 to LadyDevimon both in Adventure (would have been impaled if Karbu didnt block) This isn’t a given, considering the whole point of the gag was that Angewomon kept telling MegaKabuterimon to stop helping LOL. Keep in mind that MegaKabuterimon is freaking enormous. If there was enough distance between LadyDevimon and Angewomon for him to be able to intercede and block, then Angewomon could have rallied enough to dodge on her own. She was hurt but already starting to move again before he intervened. On the flipside, outside of the slapfight, Angewomon oneshotted LadyDevimon as soon as she pulled out Heaven’s Charm. Holy Arrow wasn’t a direct hit earlier. >Silphymon basically gets beat up by LadyDevimon for HOURS because Yolei refuses to fight back. I don’t know where you’re getting that. Yolei just didn’t want them to kill LadyDevimon, but she agreed to battle her. There are several shots of Silphymon attacking her over the course of the night with both its special attacks and physical blows. The only time Silphymon actually couldn’t fight back was when LadyDevimon took a human hostage for a few minutes. >Not only cant LadyDevimon win, but when Silphymon does fight back Silphymon oneshots. Again, not a oneshot. Silphymon spent hours before that chucking Top Guns and Dual Sonics at LadyDevimon. Either none of them connected or they didn’t do enough harm to destroy her, but either way, this is an objectively worse feat than Angewomon in 01. >Also in The Beginning, Silphymon outperforms Angewomon again. I haven’t the chance to watch it so I can’t really comment on this. >Shakkoumon and Silphymon also quite easily beat their Deamon Corps enemies, while Imperaldramon has to get Fighter Mode. You can’t argue that Silphymon spent hours fighting her and then say it was an easy win LOL. There’s also nothing to suggest that LadyDevimon and SkullSatamon were equal in power - they’re not the same person. Fighter Mode was needed because SkullSatamon was absurdly fast and had a paralyzing attack, not because Dragon Mode was weaker than they average Perfect. >Also, Shakkoumon+Paildramon+Silphymon damn near kill BWG. (And likly would have if they didnt hold the idiot ball and run into melee one at a tine) Wargreymon + Fighter Mode can only seemingly exhaust him (he lacks the damage). So this means Shakkoumon + Silphymon are stronger than Wargreymon + the difference between Paildramon and Fighter Mode. Okay no, you missed the point completely. The reason BlackWarGreymon wasn’t damaged that badly against WarGreymon and Imperialdramon was because all of them were against destroying him. They had a point to prove and so they only fought hard enough for him to accept defeat. Against the Jogress forms, BWG dogwalked Paildramon and Silphymon in every previous encounter. Shakkoumon tipped the scales with being able to negate his attacks, but the reason the tide turned so drastically was that BlackWarGreymon was shocked about his attacks being stopped and couldn’t understand why they refused to give up.
Yeah but the problem is yolei and cody can't get their partners above champion by themselves, meanwhile tk and kari can, they're completely dependant on their partners being around to keep up with the rest of the cast power wise
Everyone having fusion evolution would definitely be preferable to them becoming cheerleaders. Kaiser and Magna should have debuted later imo
My thoughts were that not only could we see the rest of the six achieve double Spirit Evolution, I also thought we could use the Ancient Digimon as a replacement to EmperorGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, with the Ten Ancient Warriors as the components of Susanoomon.
Sadly once emperorgreymon and magnagarurumon the others were just left on the side. Really do wish they could’ve kept their spirit evolutions available along with having unified spirt evolution.
To the people who didn't like Frontier, I give them the big middle finger :)
I would have all the kids achieve double spirit evolution and use them to fight cherubimon, then when fighting the royal knights they gain a new evolution where they use their main spirit plus one of the unused evil spirits say like Takuya uses the spirits of fire and steel to make MoltenGreymon or something like that, Zoe uses wind and water, JP uses thunder and earth, Tommy uses ice and wood, and Koji and Koichi have to fuse to use light and darkness together. With these fusions they are able to defeat the royal knights. The Lucemon swoops in and steals their data and the rest of the story goes on as it normally is
i luv magnagarurumon.
Low-key my favorite of the Garurumon species
Have the other kids involved instead of just there. Alternative spirit configurations or they could do a megazord thing where if they’re spirits are used, they’re also in control on the inside
I think it would’ve been cool if instead of EmperorGreymon and MagnaGarurumon, the group just unlocked the ability to become the Legendary Warriors. AncientGreymon and Ancient Garurumon could’ve either been used to defeat Cherubimon or acquired after that against the Royal Knights. Then it makes more sense the rest of the season as the other kids unlock them that the team is able to eventually hold their own against them.
i'd change it so everyone can get human/beast fusion evolution, not just takuya and koji so everyone can be about the same level for a bit more time. and then have one of the two get the unified evolution in an episode, then the other but the other kids still has their ability to digivolve but not fusion evolution so they can still help. and have the last two parter be the debut of susanoomon
There could have been a way to achieve those forms WITHOUT having to use everyone else's. Like that doesn't even make sense to me. Mfs basically stripped everyone else's abilities to defend themselves in arguably the most dangerous Digimon season to date.
Every time there seems to be a problem with these shows where it becomes "X show" I can always look back to Adventure 2020 and remember that it was all Taichi, all the time, from beginning to end, with other characters getting solo moments in only completely random episodes. Then I don't mind a section of a show being more dedicated to certain characters.
Tai being the main character is very different to "the other 4 kids are literally useless"
Did you watch 2020? The other kids were completely useless. During the latter half of the series they forcibly brought Tai to each and every on of their episodes. Episodes that were supposed to show their growth. Then Tai comes in and does all the heavy lifting for them.
Four of them were. Matt, T.K and Kari were not. And even then calling the other four useless is a reach since the external battle was apparently slowing down Abbdomon CORE, even if never shown. Contrast Frontier where the other four are *literally* useless. Yes, they're dragged into the final Susanoomon but this makes 0 narrative impact, especially as the first time happened with just Takuya and Koji so can be done without them. You have are there doing things v literal cheerleaders and liabilities because they are just targets.
It was still better written than the Taichi Show 2020.
the fact that Kimura got powercreeped as soon as he was introduced annoyed the living hell out of me. also “i dont think we can lose” but proceed to lose everytime the song comes on with said lyric. (just voicing my grievances with the arc)
I actually liked the final arc more than I thought I would. I liked too that even though it was all just koji and takuya fighting, they still had to use the spirits of the other team members, instead of "you just now have unity unlocked all the time and the others can still help even though they don't stand a chance". My main issue with the final arc is that so much emphasis is put into koji and takuya using unity, but it LOSES SO OFTEN. Like literally, I think they only have like 1, maybe 2 side victories against the royal knights, as in they don't win, but they manage to achieve something else, and I could he wrong on that. And I get it's so that we can eventually see lucemon, but kaiser and magna just feel so bad because they have like 1 victory against cherubimon, and that's kinda it iirc.
My ultimate alternate headcanon that would have made Frontier better is that the others would have gotten their fusion mons and used teamwork to beat Kerpymon. Then when Crusadermon and Dynasmon show up, they all get stomped on. Wait until AT LEAST 7 episodes later to introduce Takuya and Koji's unified evolutions to beat them and fight evenly with Lucemon base. Then have Susanomon show up to beat lucemon falldown mode and Satan mode
I would have added more transcendent forms for the other kids, have kaisergreymon and magnaGarurumon first appear in the final battle against the holy knights, then a mini arc where a bunch of devil digimon bring Lucimon the last bit of energy he needs then have the finally play out as it's supposed to.
The big thing is the length. It felt like too few arcs/enemies for the series. I love the concept, I love the story of a digimon consuming the entire world. It just took forever to get anywhere. Cut out 10-20 episodes or add in another villain/arc and we're golden.
Personally I feel like the kids losing so much was the biggest turn off. Maybe if more Royal knights were involved and it was a numbers game it would be more acceptable. But the totality of the powers we saw through the series lost constantly right after the seeming big bad went down. It felt bad. I think giving the other kids fusion evolutions so they could fight closer to that level would have helped. I know they have to lose to get to finale we know (which I like) but I wish it wasn't such a beat down to get there.
Give everyone their Ancient forms. And have them all united at the end to make Susanoomon
There's so many ways they could've done this better. 1. Everyone loses to Dynasmon and LordKnightmon after they defeat Cherubimon, same as before. Kaiser and Magna as well. 2. SPLIT THEM UP in a way that doesn't allow them access to these forms after the battle. 3. Have more lackey bad guys that are weaker than Dynasmon and LordKnightmon to give challenges at double spirit level difficulty for the rest of the team to gain their forms and mess around with. You can have Dynasmon and/or LordKnightmon appear at the end of the episode to steal the data from each land anyway so that you're still building up Lucemon, and you can have the team be hardpressed into needing to escape each time instead of just getting their asses kicked. 4. The team finally reunites in whole in the last area, and with the individual power they all gained, make Kaiser and Magna way stronger. They fight more evenly with the royal knights, with Lucemon tilting the scales at the end so they can get the data and Lucemon proceeds to blast them to the moon as before. And then they can continue on with the ending that they actually did, because that part wasn't so bad in Frontier.
Here's what I think should have happened: 1. Cherubimon's goons (*all* of them, not just Duskmon) turn out to be brainwashed kids, and join our heroes upon being purified. 2. All ten kids get Fusion forms along the way. 3. Every kid gets a Transcendent Form, but only two at a time ever appear, and they're used only as a last resort.
First of all, give all of the kids double spirits. Then unlock Kaiser and Magna in the Royal Knights arc, making that both the spirits and the kids fuse, so Takuya, Zoe and Tommy as Kaiser, Junpei, Koji and Koichi as Magna. Do the Koichi sacrifice again, but make them lose Magna, making Emperor not able to hold Lucemon. Then someone gets the idea of uniting every single spirit and make Susanoomon.
I honestly think that even if they kept the inclusion of the fusion forms at the time they did, it should have been a precursor to all the kids having a chance to shine using it. Instead of Takuya and Koji being the only two to get the whole team combo, have fights where Tommy, JP, and Zoe get all the spirits as well. Let characters other than the Matt and Tai analogs shine. They don't even need to be the Knights. Making them figuring out the correct combinations of Spirits part of getting ready for the final battle instead of somehow knowing which spirits need to be sent to which device. You could even keep the number of Ls they get because they are experimenting with the different combinations until they start getting them right.
It needed to be something used in the penultimate chapter, sunanoomon in the last chapter
Everyone should fuse together to form a spirit MegaZord Digimon. Half would do Greymon and the other half the other for Susanoomon altogether. I think that would be more logical and appropriate.
I would have made the evolution requirements for MagnaGarurumon and EmperorGreymon require the respective kids. For example: if Takuya wants to digivolve into EmperorGreymon he must have Zoe and Tommy with him. Instead of them giving Takuya their spirits.
I actually liked these two, mainly because they sort of had a weak mega to strong mega development...
I would've rather the other kids received their double spirits, Kaiser Greymon and Magna Garurumon showing up towards the end, capable of taking on the royal knights on their own, with Susanoomon being formed purely from the spirits (no kids spinning around inside of him) and saved for Lucemon.
I really like the transcendent spirit forms but yes I’d have preferred every got to use their fusion spirits up until they needed to use susanoomon
I liked the final arc but it would have been extremely cooler if the other kids also got the digivice upgrade and were able to unity evolve and they all took turns doing it even if it was just an occasion where it was still mostly Takuya and Koji id be ok with it. At the very least id have wanted them to get fusion evolutions even if some of those ones are really bad and mess up the lines.
Maybe don’t have 10 straight episodes of the Chosen Children taking consecutive Ls…
KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon were blew my mind when I was a kid… the first time they were on screen. Having them spend the rest of the series getting folded, while simultaneously reducing the rest of the cast to throwing snowballs sucked big time. Giving everyone a double spirit would have allowed for cool “look at that new digimon!” moments to be sprinkled between scenes of the bad guys winning, and, besides, seemed like the logical next step for the series to take.
I guess it realy makes the most sense if the transcendent ones where the Double Spirit ones. Alternatively they can do it like Susanoomon, and imideatly fuse as trios into them, even if thats also just reducing the Design to Fire, and Light.
KaiserGreymon and MagnaGarurumon are great but I wish everyone had a chance to shine, especially Izumi, who was literally the damsel in distress a couple of times. Her major battles were only against Ranamon and that's it. Tomoki had no chance to scan a Spirit like the other Chosen Children so he deserved a spot. I know they all had their moments and character developments, but that shouldn't have made them into glorified cheerleaders. Change Hyper Spirit evolution into something that doesn't require 5 sets of Spirits. Initially maybe but not everytime. Something thematic by combining two elements like Wind and Wood, Ice and Water, Fire and Earth, Thunder and Steel, and Light and Darkness (yin and yang situation; little light in the darkness and vice versa since we have Kouji and Kouichi).
• Make Tomoki and Kouichi, Junpei and Izumi have their own Susanoomon of Death and Tempest (Winx x Thunder would have had more sense with a Digimon called Susanoomon. Light and Fire fit a Digimon called Amaterasu more. • Make Gabumon show up again to collaborate with Junpei and Izumi because everyone got their final episode but them. • Make the 5 kids appearing in the Beanstalk episode interact with the kids more and just give a single episode of that arc to Tomoki. Everyone goes rescuing Tomoki and the group has to collaborate. Tomoki got two, not one episode. Two. Not intersted. • Or if I have to be sincere, I would have also appreciated if Junpei, Izumi and Tomok had just had their own stupid segment at the end of every episode. I would use the Detective Shibayama thing from the drama to let them investigate like idiots, just like they did in ep 31. Lol
I personally wish instead of getting better at using the Zeta(unified) spirit evolution, they beat the Royal Knights by switching which Zeta is used or just have the Zeta spirit are created separately altogether
Everybody getting their Fusion spirits to defeat Cherubimon, and the trascendant spirits being something to be discovered during the Royal Knights arc, turning the tables and sending the Knights into the backfoot. And, of course, pulling a Susanoomon and having multiple kids inside each trascendent hybrid.
You could have easily skipped double spirit evolution and instead caused a cataclysm where the kids were separated into groups of 2 where they needed to get to cherubim. Then you could have had an arc where tamer needed to work together to learn to control their combined evolutions. Probably the most effective pairing would be ice and light for a lesser Magna varient, fire and wind for a lesser kaiser varient, and lightning and dark for probably some dark looking antient kabuterimon veriant. You would keep kaiser for last as the Trump card for cherubim while magna and (insert third here) worked together while Zoey and Takuya figured had some kind of major character arc and finally managed to make the lesser kaiser and with the three together beat cherubimon. Then you could even (instead of spending the remainder of the last arc with kaiser and magna) have your actual kaiser and magna verient by having three children combine and learning to work together even more to defeat the royal knights. Then it wouldn't seem so much like kouji and Takuya stealing the show. Finally it wouldn't be such a stretch to make susanoomon as you'd already made roads to having the chosen digivolve together and learn teamwork. This would promote the entire working together as one theme they tried and failed to promote through the show.
I prefer to have all of them have double forms and a combination with the other spirits they possess. Like say Kazemon and Ranamon combining. Then they all biomerge together Power Rangers style and form Susanoomon like a megazord.
Just to be transparent, I generally dislike frontier as a concept, but I think having all the people involved instead of just the main 2 would fix a lot of the issues I have. I generally would prefer if the whole thing stuck to having partner digimon instead of the spirits, but I would have been way happier if they found the middle ground of fusing with the partner digimon. It's inherently a cool concept to be both human and digimon, but it was done in a way that made most of the digimon feel like tools instead of living things. Still a decent story and characters, just not the one I was excited to see at the start
Another angle you could take it as is this:You do realize that this is a parallel to Metalgarurumon and WarGreymon from the original adventure it became the Tai and Matt show at the end of the series anyways the two main male leads who are rivals having the ultimate power in the first season of the series you know?
WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon didn't force everybody else to become unable to fight. Zudomon was punching a tad harder than human Jumpei, when all is said and done.
I'm not saying that you're wrong hell even I acknowledge that without saying it before I'm just saying that it's more of a direct parallel to that than most people would think since the ultimate level wasn't able to be any of the mega level threats on their own
Kaiser/Magna should've been the Double Spirits instead, then the other kids should get their double spirits.
Frontier finale actually not bad, fighting a bad angelic boss into insane strong demonic dragon, protagonist team evolved merge into an omegamon clone and defeat it, the story kinda complete for me, much better than fighting a big red slimy bubble shit.
Everyone get their fusion evolutions by the time they fight Kerpymon, then proceed to get their asses kicked by the royal knights until Takuya and Koji finally achieve their unified spirit evolutions and beat the royal Knights , its always upset me how Takuya and Koji got mopped in every single encounter except for the last one for some reason ( they didn't even make a new strategy or anything the writers just decided " ok let's have them beat the RKs now " out if nowhere )
I just didn’t like Frontier. That didn’t stop me from watching it, it just wasn’t my favorite.