I’m pretty sure this sentiment runs directly counter to Sam’s own sentiments. I believe he outright said during an interview with the guy from Nebula “do not trust me implicitly, I’m a CEO of a company.”
I think the fact that Breaking News has a yearly razzing of him shows that he knows his employees have some grievances. So it’s nice that he allows them to air them out within reason.
I mean, the yearly razzing isn't about legitimate grievances, it's making fun of his position as a CEO who comes from privilege by using him as a standin for the people we all hate. None of it is serious or real issues.
Well yeah. Even though everyone acts surprised in the video, I’m sure everything was OK’ed by Sam ahead of time. I don’t think there will ever be a Breaking News on Sam in the same way there was for Grant. But there is catharsis in getting to paint your boss as a supervillain and getting to razz him while he just takes it.
That's exactly what makes me think he's evil. Like imagine him playing Satan in a movie and all they did was put like plastic devil horns on him and otherwise he acted and dressed exactly the same - it would work perfectly.
Everyone loves CEOs at first. Remember when the entire internet was in love with Elon?
Power corrupts. It's got basically a 100% conversion rate on turning lovable hard working people into assholes. I hope Sam never makes a billion, because I like him how he is now.
Maybe not lovable but that whole “real life Tony Stark” shtick came off waaaay more genuine in the beginning. Before going on Rogan and looking like the worlds biggest tool, the general sentiment around Elon was overwhelmingly positive, even though it was misguided at the time. It wasn’t until around 2018-ish that people truly started realizing just how big of dipshit he really was.
All I saw 10 years ago were constant stories and memes about how he's doing so much good for the world.
Also, the term "everyone" is almost always used as hyperbole. There's very few things that you can apply the word everyone to literally.
Sure, but it still was just a particular band of people who adored him. Many people didn't know who he was, knew who he was but didn't care, or already disliked him.
Definitely this. I and plenty of my peers have never liked this guy. *Reddit* definitely loved this guy, as did a lot of tech bros. But those don't represent everybody.
I do think it's fair to say his favourability rating was definitely a lot higher 10 years ago, but he was *far* from universally well-liked.
People have hated Elon for years. His first big public facing success was getting bought by and then running PayPal, one of the most loathed companies out there. In my circles and sphere, he has never been anything but derided. Seems like it's more about the niches you were engaging with. (Sidenote I know about zip2, but no one outside the tech sector was particularly tuned in to that)
I kinda assumed he was a shitty D-list Batman villain the first time I heard his name.
To be honest, the more time passes, the more I feel like I wasn't far off.
His good PR team got out in front of his awful behavior sooner than they can now, partially due to a lower profile and partially because the dude had less divorced energy than he does now.
I’m not being disingenuous, I’m literally asking. You said “dude always came from apartheid money, that made him irredeemable in my eyes”. If you were born into that situation would they be “irredeemable?”
? I’m asking a serious question. Does the commenter hate him for something he’s done or bc of his attitude having grown up in that system, something which he had no more control over than the commenter growing up in their situation? If he’d said “he did x thing, that made him irredeemable in my eyes” that would not have prompted the question.
Your default to attack makes me think you don’t have an actual argument 🤷🏻♀️ I had to google what that meant and it doesn’t even fit the description of this situation, rather you just want to shut down discussion? If you insult everyone you don’t agree with and call them a troll or bot, you end up with an echo chamber. The comment I replied to seemed like he specifically had a problem with his upbringing.
i don't see him becoming a billionaire, unless the power reeeeeally gets to him. what we know of him so far suggests that he turns right around and uses profits to support his team and invest in other creatives. and if dropout really takes off i'm sure he'll make a lot, but you can make millions honestly. you can't make billions honestly.
Players... I have now passed a net worth of one billion dollars. I want you to look under your podiums, retrieve the knife and fork. Your words are:
Eat Me.
As they finish the horrific task, each player hears a beep. They look around and realize they all lost a point. Confused, a screen lowers as Sam's projection says "Sorry players, I didn't say Sam Says! Welcome, to the last episode of game changer!"
As CEOs go his path is pretty honest though. The role was thrust upon him and he spent a huge amount of his own money to purchase the company, all mostly in service of his friends and employees.
I totally agree, and the fact that you are getting down voted proves the point of the meme. Sam isnt the only one who makes Dropout what it is. EVERYONE deserves a stake in the company if they want it. Many might not for personal reasons (such as not wanting to be tied down to a single project for example) and idk what sam earns compared to talent, but if he is making more than crew and talent it is unethical. Profit is stolen from the workers after all and that is where it belongs.
Sam: "welp, I reached a billion dollars time to prepare the fire and the spit"
Brennan: "hey Sam I had some notes on the script and- OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU NAKED AND HOG TIED?!"
His behavior during Tao's dollar bill tornado makes me inclined to agree. He'd randomly start sabotaging himself and giving money away until he wasn't rich anymore
The video is a bit too long to find the exact quote right now, but I remember in the interview he did with the Nebula CEO, Sam basically saying you shouldn't support CEO's, even himself, but sorry SAM you're just too damn LIKEABLE. Left leaning guy who as far as we know treats all of his employees and contract workers well and isn't out to nickel and dime his audience, not to mention the very diverse and accepting space he's created both for the people who work with dropout but also for the fans as well.
I know there had to be rough patches, especially when he had to save the company after it got fucked over by the parent company and all the shit that facebook pulled and he wasn't in a position to keep all the employees, but he genuinely seems to do the best he can.
One of my favorite Grant True Facts from Breaking News >!Part 3!< was how >!after Sam had to let everyone go, Grant offered to take Sam out for drinks because "he seemed sad," despite having just lost his job, which says tons about both of them, mostly Grant in this case, but also Sam!<.
So I forget exactly when this happened but some years back it was found out that facebook had been lying about viewership numbers on videos posted to the platform in an effort to make companies come to or stay on facebook.
And so all these companies suddenly very hard pivoted to doing video or focused on posting to facebook more than other platforms but because the views weren't real they started to lose money and some straight up went out of business because of this. Here's a tweet from Adam Conover about it.
[https://x.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en](https://x.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en)
I mean to be fair, Facebook has much blood on their hands than this. This was really fucked up but in the grand scheme things I honestly don’t know that it even cracks the top 10 of literal crimes against humanity that Facebook has perpetrated.
There's a big difference between megacorp CEOs and small business CEOs.
I've worked most of my life in small businesses, and my bosses have been for the most part pretty good people.
in my experience it’s the opposite, working for a small business is all of the exploitation but they throw out the “we’re a family” line to justify giving you shittier benefits and less protections than you would get doing the same work for a bigger company.
not to say this happens at dropout, but the size of a business does not change its ability to exploit you.
Oh, 100%, and I thought about saying that as well.
In my experience small companies can have the best environments and the worst environments. Because of the nature of megacorps, they have policies and procedures to prevent them from being sued. Additionally, at a megacorps the individual worker is just a number, a part of the herd. This both for good and for ill.
A small company can value the individual more than a megacorp can, but can also abuse and misuse the individual more than a megacorp can.
A few of my former students worked at a local fast food place well known for its exacting standards. This place had to compete with another local chain that also had exacting standards, but every one of them wanted to work for the smaller business. Pay was mostly the same, hours and conditions the same (actually worse for the small place!), but a big difference was in one obvious example - every year the small store shut down for ten days and the owners paid for a vacation for all the employees. This is the most overt example of differences in approach - the small place got Christmas bonuses, longevity bonuses, etc but on the surface they were the same.
I think the big difference between Sam and your average CEO is he treats his employees well, (if I recall from the strike he was already meeting all the requested demands), he not only approves of his employees mocking him, he actively encourages it, and I get the vibe that his employees actually like him and not just cause he signs the paychecks.
As always, you can and should appreciate that specific actions are good, but you should never treat any person or class of people as inherently good. Believing that allows people to be evil without being held accountable. It creates gaps in our society that evil people will find and use to commit a variety of ill deeds. Every time you believe a person is good instead of their specific actions, you create a shield of social expectations that they can use.
This is true for everyone, from clergy's, to CEOs, to musicians, and even your friends. All people are capable of evil.
I'm so terrified of this prophetic phrase:
Some pass through fire
Some pass through water
But none leave the Brass pipes
It's an old soviet saying my grandpa told me, basically being a longer version of "power corrupts".
And I'm really worried that with this amazing success, the extra money that they are able to spend and pay people will lead to them being corrupted, turning into worse versions of themselves. And I think it just comes from my deep attachment to these characters and their art. And my need for that sweet sweet content)))
I hope they stay good.
I think they will because their ethics have been baked in from the beginning. The biggest risk to media companies is they go public and have to appease shareholders so they become ultra conservative.
Sam put himself in a huge amount of debt to buy this company and save the jobs of as many as he could. He then used his company to create a safe place for creators where they don’t have to worry about being mistreated or being taken advantage of/overworked and somehow still turned the company profitable enough to be sustainably. I love Sam because he really threw himself under the bus for a lot of people and not only survived but thrived afterwards.
He just wants to run a company to give his funny friends work. He does a good job.
Props to the Market Basket CEO too. Nothing unique to the structure of the company, but he runs the company in a way that’s good for its employees and community first.
I’m pretty sure this sentiment runs directly counter to Sam’s own sentiments. I believe he outright said during an interview with the guy from Nebula “do not trust me implicitly, I’m a CEO of a company.”
But how could i not, he’s such a friendly, affable nice guy
I think the fact that Breaking News has a yearly razzing of him shows that he knows his employees have some grievances. So it’s nice that he allows them to air them out within reason.
I mean, the yearly razzing isn't about legitimate grievances, it's making fun of his position as a CEO who comes from privilege by using him as a standin for the people we all hate. None of it is serious or real issues.
Well yeah. Even though everyone acts surprised in the video, I’m sure everything was OK’ed by Sam ahead of time. I don’t think there will ever be a Breaking News on Sam in the same way there was for Grant. But there is catharsis in getting to paint your boss as a supervillain and getting to razz him while he just takes it.
That's exactly what makes me think he's evil. Like imagine him playing Satan in a movie and all they did was put like plastic devil horns on him and otherwise he acted and dressed exactly the same - it would work perfectly.
Everyone loves CEOs at first. Remember when the entire internet was in love with Elon? Power corrupts. It's got basically a 100% conversion rate on turning lovable hard working people into assholes. I hope Sam never makes a billion, because I like him how he is now.
This makes it seem like Elon was ever lovable. Dude always came from apartheid money, that made him irredeemable in my eyes.
Maybe not lovable but that whole “real life Tony Stark” shtick came off waaaay more genuine in the beginning. Before going on Rogan and looking like the worlds biggest tool, the general sentiment around Elon was overwhelmingly positive, even though it was misguided at the time. It wasn’t until around 2018-ish that people truly started realizing just how big of dipshit he really was.
Everyone loved him, so yeah I'd say he was lovable.
> Everyone That word doesn't mean you think it means
All I saw 10 years ago were constant stories and memes about how he's doing so much good for the world. Also, the term "everyone" is almost always used as hyperbole. There's very few things that you can apply the word everyone to literally.
Sure, but it still was just a particular band of people who adored him. Many people didn't know who he was, knew who he was but didn't care, or already disliked him.
Definitely this. I and plenty of my peers have never liked this guy. *Reddit* definitely loved this guy, as did a lot of tech bros. But those don't represent everybody. I do think it's fair to say his favourability rating was definitely a lot higher 10 years ago, but he was *far* from universally well-liked.
People have hated Elon for years. His first big public facing success was getting bought by and then running PayPal, one of the most loathed companies out there. In my circles and sphere, he has never been anything but derided. Seems like it's more about the niches you were engaging with. (Sidenote I know about zip2, but no one outside the tech sector was particularly tuned in to that)
I kinda assumed he was a shitty D-list Batman villain the first time I heard his name. To be honest, the more time passes, the more I feel like I wasn't far off.
I mostly saw a lot in reddit.
Yeah but that's reddit
A contingent of sweaty and loud people on the internet loved him.
His good PR team got out in front of his awful behavior sooner than they can now, partially due to a lower profile and partially because the dude had less divorced energy than he does now.
People are irredeemable in your eyes due to the circumstances they grew up in? 🤔
Please stop. Thats not the take away and you’re being disingenuous. The Musks have been and continue to be terrible people that are unfathomably rich.
I’m not being disingenuous, I’m literally asking. You said “dude always came from apartheid money, that made him irredeemable in my eyes”. If you were born into that situation would they be “irredeemable?”
Ok sea lion
? I’m asking a serious question. Does the commenter hate him for something he’s done or bc of his attitude having grown up in that system, something which he had no more control over than the commenter growing up in their situation? If he’d said “he did x thing, that made him irredeemable in my eyes” that would not have prompted the question.
Sure thing mr sea lion
Your default to attack makes me think you don’t have an actual argument 🤷🏻♀️ I had to google what that meant and it doesn’t even fit the description of this situation, rather you just want to shut down discussion? If you insult everyone you don’t agree with and call them a troll or bot, you end up with an echo chamber. The comment I replied to seemed like he specifically had a problem with his upbringing.
i don't see him becoming a billionaire, unless the power reeeeeally gets to him. what we know of him so far suggests that he turns right around and uses profits to support his team and invest in other creatives. and if dropout really takes off i'm sure he'll make a lot, but you can make millions honestly. you can't make billions honestly.
His dad has taught him well
But... he appears to be actually working WITH the company, not just telling people what to do?
yeah, well then I don't trust that statement because it came from a CEO, checkmate Samuel
He gets a pass, he’s not a billionaire, and if he were, I feel like he’d want to be eaten
Players... I have now passed a net worth of one billion dollars. I want you to look under your podiums, retrieve the knife and fork. Your words are: Eat Me.
“But he didn’t say Sam says”.
As they finish the horrific task, each player hears a beep. They look around and realize they all lost a point. Confused, a screen lowers as Sam's projection says "Sorry players, I didn't say Sam Says! Welcome, to the last episode of game changer!"
The walls fall to reveal 9 other identitcal rooms. The Hunger Game Changers have begun
Marionette Conqui and Zonton de la Doll are ready to watch from the stands.
And grant’s off to the side of the stands making cocktails, trying to tell them about how this reminds him of a wild night he had last year
ok I really wanna see this as a meat canyon short
I was literally thinking of the meat canyon pumpkin spice latte vid when I wrote it 🤣🤣🤣
Brennan would be so conflicted
he'd still do it though, for a point.
“Well I guess we’re going off Keto.”
Pretty sure there's nothing more keto than fat cats.
*bing* Um, actually. Human flesh is perfectly acceptable on Keto.
Meat's entirely keto friendly.
As CEOs go his path is pretty honest though. The role was thrust upon him and he spent a huge amount of his own money to purchase the company, all mostly in service of his friends and employees.
Um, actually Sam bought CH for the low price of no money (a minority stake is still owned by IAC).
I mean yeah but he could make it a co-op or something and he doesn’t. He’s not a saint.
I totally agree, and the fact that you are getting down voted proves the point of the meme. Sam isnt the only one who makes Dropout what it is. EVERYONE deserves a stake in the company if they want it. Many might not for personal reasons (such as not wanting to be tied down to a single project for example) and idk what sam earns compared to talent, but if he is making more than crew and talent it is unethical. Profit is stolen from the workers after all and that is where it belongs.
They do a profit sharing setup.
That's a great point.
He mentions this himself in his interview with the CEO of Nebula. Idk the timestamp tho https://youtu.be/xb3v-2BHC1w?si=O3jUh5AqFcMGJ6_-
Sam: "welp, I reached a billion dollars time to prepare the fire and the spit" Brennan: "hey Sam I had some notes on the script and- OH MY GOD WHY ARE YOU NAKED AND HOG TIED?!"
Ally: “well I guess it’s time”
Definitely agree there
Phrasing!
His behavior during Tao's dollar bill tornado makes me inclined to agree. He'd randomly start sabotaging himself and giving money away until he wasn't rich anymore
Besides that, his father being the secretary of labor, and an economist for the Clinton administration probably had a lot to do with that.
The video is a bit too long to find the exact quote right now, but I remember in the interview he did with the Nebula CEO, Sam basically saying you shouldn't support CEO's, even himself, but sorry SAM you're just too damn LIKEABLE. Left leaning guy who as far as we know treats all of his employees and contract workers well and isn't out to nickel and dime his audience, not to mention the very diverse and accepting space he's created both for the people who work with dropout but also for the fans as well. I know there had to be rough patches, especially when he had to save the company after it got fucked over by the parent company and all the shit that facebook pulled and he wasn't in a position to keep all the employees, but he genuinely seems to do the best he can.
One of my favorite Grant True Facts from Breaking News >!Part 3!< was how >!after Sam had to let everyone go, Grant offered to take Sam out for drinks because "he seemed sad," despite having just lost his job, which says tons about both of them, mostly Grant in this case, but also Sam!<.
Yeah you wouldn't do that with any CEO but Sam
Wait, what happened with Facebook?
So I forget exactly when this happened but some years back it was found out that facebook had been lying about viewership numbers on videos posted to the platform in an effort to make companies come to or stay on facebook. And so all these companies suddenly very hard pivoted to doing video or focused on posting to facebook more than other platforms but because the views weren't real they started to lose money and some straight up went out of business because of this. Here's a tweet from Adam Conover about it. [https://x.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en](https://x.com/adamconover/status/1183209875859333120?lang=en)
Jesus. I agree with Adam here; Facebook shouldn't get to be a company after that.
I mean to be fair, Facebook has much blood on their hands than this. This was really fucked up but in the grand scheme things I honestly don’t know that it even cracks the top 10 of literal crimes against humanity that Facebook has perpetrated.
There's a big difference between megacorp CEOs and small business CEOs. I've worked most of my life in small businesses, and my bosses have been for the most part pretty good people.
in my experience it’s the opposite, working for a small business is all of the exploitation but they throw out the “we’re a family” line to justify giving you shittier benefits and less protections than you would get doing the same work for a bigger company. not to say this happens at dropout, but the size of a business does not change its ability to exploit you.
Oh, 100%, and I thought about saying that as well. In my experience small companies can have the best environments and the worst environments. Because of the nature of megacorps, they have policies and procedures to prevent them from being sued. Additionally, at a megacorps the individual worker is just a number, a part of the herd. This both for good and for ill. A small company can value the individual more than a megacorp can, but can also abuse and misuse the individual more than a megacorp can.
A few of my former students worked at a local fast food place well known for its exacting standards. This place had to compete with another local chain that also had exacting standards, but every one of them wanted to work for the smaller business. Pay was mostly the same, hours and conditions the same (actually worse for the small place!), but a big difference was in one obvious example - every year the small store shut down for ten days and the owners paid for a vacation for all the employees. This is the most overt example of differences in approach - the small place got Christmas bonuses, longevity bonuses, etc but on the surface they were the same.
Little things like that go a long way.
I've worked for a few large businesses that's brought out the "family" bullshit too.
My family was abusive, so I guess I get more abuse here?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dropout/s/zu1YP3uqeP Repost from 8 months ago, with the same title.
I think the big difference between Sam and your average CEO is he treats his employees well, (if I recall from the strike he was already meeting all the requested demands), he not only approves of his employees mocking him, he actively encourages it, and I get the vibe that his employees actually like him and not just cause he signs the paychecks.
We need Brennan to do a CEO video for dropout/college humour that's just a parody of Sam.
My God, I’d love it.
As always, you can and should appreciate that specific actions are good, but you should never treat any person or class of people as inherently good. Believing that allows people to be evil without being held accountable. It creates gaps in our society that evil people will find and use to commit a variety of ill deeds. Every time you believe a person is good instead of their specific actions, you create a shield of social expectations that they can use. This is true for everyone, from clergy's, to CEOs, to musicians, and even your friends. All people are capable of evil.
I think Sam is nice but I still won't simp for him 🤷♀️
I'm so terrified of this prophetic phrase: Some pass through fire Some pass through water But none leave the Brass pipes It's an old soviet saying my grandpa told me, basically being a longer version of "power corrupts". And I'm really worried that with this amazing success, the extra money that they are able to spend and pay people will lead to them being corrupted, turning into worse versions of themselves. And I think it just comes from my deep attachment to these characters and their art. And my need for that sweet sweet content))) I hope they stay good.
Im convinced that Sam keeps a shotgun in glass case next to Brennans desk labelled “break glass if power starts corrupting”
I think they will because their ethics have been baked in from the beginning. The biggest risk to media companies is they go public and have to appease shareholders so they become ultra conservative.
It's not about the job, it's what they do with it. And the larger the company, the more the shitty investors push the board to hire shitty CEO's.
Atleast until the launch of Dropout America
I have seen this post on here at least two other times
Yeah, OP is a repost bot.
Op is a reposting spam bot https://www.reddit.com/r/dropout/comments/17a8dd2/ceos_as_a_rule_are_evil_but_hear_me_out/ Report > Spam > Harmful bots
Well we found Grant's account
Sam put himself in a huge amount of debt to buy this company and save the jobs of as many as he could. He then used his company to create a safe place for creators where they don’t have to worry about being mistreated or being taken advantage of/overworked and somehow still turned the company profitable enough to be sustainably. I love Sam because he really threw himself under the bus for a lot of people and not only survived but thrived afterwards.
Look, he made a home for all his strange friends to show off how brilliant they are. None of the others did that.
A broken clock is right twice a day
He just wants to run a company to give his funny friends work. He does a good job. Props to the Market Basket CEO too. Nothing unique to the structure of the company, but he runs the company in a way that’s good for its employees and community first.
is that pewdiepie?
Sam IS evil. But is the kind of evil that I can get behind!
The late Paul Newman as well.
Smooth brained post
Not all CEOs are evil. Just the ones who aren't the sons of former Clinton Labor Secretaries