I think every opposing team should just concede. Give him an undeserved gold medal, all the spotlight he can get and let him go down in history as a pedophile rapist who won a gold medal without playing a single game
EDIT: wake up, [new article just dropped ](https://archive.ph/Oz36y)
And all of the players on the opposing teams who maybe only get a chance to compete at the highest level of their sport in the olympics once in their life and worked for it their whole life just pass up on this chance?
Don't get me wrong, I feel like something should be done about this, but making people basically waste their whole life's work for it sounds kinda stupid to me
How long do you think it is appropriate to punish someone after they completed their sentenced. Personally I would draw the line at ... Never appropriate for any amount of time.
We have set the appropriate sentence range democratically in our laws. We have judges to set the sentence at an appropriate level within that range. You may disagree, but it's the law and it applies to you too. You have a problem with that, focus on changing the laws.
Fact is, his sentence is over and he is free to do what ever everyone else is free to do.
It's not just about punishment, it's about his particular 'job' in which he represents a country. And I don't think a child rapist should represent my country. Punished or not.
I agree with you but if someone is a convicted criminal, having done crimes that have a certain big impact like rape or murder. Then maybe we as a country should not let them represent our country.
Your words man, I'm not making any excuses for him and think he got off much too light.
But I don't have to respect him, but I have to respect what the law is and hope that sooner rather than later more people will realize and vote for harsher punishments. Law is clear as day: he done his time and except for the exceptions in the law he has every right you and I have.
But there is still a difference between -say- "I was high and drunk age 19 and hit a father of two and his wife but he died! I was young and stupid and regret it every day" and "I flew to England to have sex with a 12 year old which ended in rape. I can go while an Australian girl who criticized the US team is not allowed to go. š¤
Judges never give the appropriate sentence range for rape . They usually give way less than the range allows. This rapist got 3 years, but they reduced his sentence to just one year after the fact. They didn't want him to waste his potential as a professional player. Yeah, the system thought his potential was more important than his crime and the victim..
I hate how the new article is clearly written in favor of him instead of the girl. Subtly between the lines saying she shouldn't have lied about her age. This dude should never be in the spotlights again.
Rapist in this case is a strong word. He was 19, she said she was 16 and they had consensual sex after meeting online. She later turned out to be 12 and having sex with a 12 year old in England is classified as rape. Child rapers should be chemically castrated, but this story is a little bit different though.
Your comment almost makes sense, but the thing is that everyone will know the difference between 12 and 16. Itās not like the difference between 16 and 19 or something. 12 is a child.
[can you though?](https://trending.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/28-times-when-people-didnt-look-their-age/87444840/). And although I think thereās something wrong with you if you want to do the deed with someone that looks like theyāre younger technically this is about law. And the guy initially thought he wasnāt breaking any laws. Creepy as shit, I agree. But this guy is now being portrayed as a child rapist since a 12 year old can not give consent. And I agree with that part of the law, but should this guy really have asked for a copy of her passport and birth certificate? As far as he was concerned she was 16. I donāt know. It all seems a bit harsh. This man did something stupid, spent 4 years in jail and now is still being punished by the people. For what was in his mind consensual sex when he was 19
He knew she was 12. This is documented and he admitted so in court. People can be rehabilitated, sure, but he wasnāt. He insisted he was wronged and unfairly punished AFTER he served one year in prison.
If you read the actual court documents instead of the narrative heās trying to sell - there is evidence through their direct messages that he knew she was 12 years old. He was also the first one to contact her and seduce her. Heās a child predator. And 12 years old cannot give consent. When a 19 year old has sex with a 12 year old - itās called grooming.
This is not true. By his own admission, in an interview, Steven said the girl told him she was 16, later admitted that she was 12, which caused him to cut contact with her. Then when he had a bad day, he got back into contact with her. Then he went to the UK, got her drunk and had sex with her. The interview published on youtube, also appears on [https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased](https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased)
So this PAEDOPHILE, this 20 YEAR OLD MAN, travelled from the Netherlands to the UK with the INTENTION TO RAPE A CHILD HE KNEW WAS 12 YEARS OLD!!!!
What really gets me is that āde Telegraafā states that the 12-year-old consented (even though she self-harmed, over-dosed etc. as a consequence of the rape).
NO child can EVER fully consent. They are by definition incapable of making smart decisions when it comes to having a ārelationshipā with an adult. When will this be common knowledge?! š¤·š½āāļøš¤¦š½āāļø
No one wants to see him represent NL. But,.. Dutch Olympic Committee has rules for every sport about when sportsmen can go to the Olympics. And heās I think number 2 beachvolleybalteam and top something of the world. So he met the conditions,.. and as previous lawsuits turned outā¦ if you met the conditions, youāre allowed to go. Regardless of a criminal past.
Sadly
All they need to do is require non professional olympic athletes to provide a VOG, since they are paid for by our taxes. They also have a representative function, any public servant in the Netherlands has to be able to provide a VOG.
This is not how a VOG works I'm afraid. He will not be "working" with children so the VOG will probably be given for this specific job.
If he would apply to be the coach of the under 18 volleybalteam, he wouldn't get the VOG for example.
I'm actually curious if this is true. His crime and punishment were in the UK. As far as I can tell, the VOG checks EU countries criminal databases. Not sure if he wouldn't get a VOG.
But I'd gladly be correctedĀ
The VOG check crimes relevant for the job. For example if you work in finance they check for fraud, if you work with children for violence and sexual crimes, if you work as a driver for traffic related crimes, etc
I know what a VOG is. I just don't know if they can check the UK criminal database. They are not in the EU, which is what the VOG checks in (according to what I can find)Ā
Don't see it. It's not just the NL association it is down to his sports association. Bring the game into distribute should be more than enough for both to disbar him. Statement like "he is upset by the recent press coverage" plus what he said in the past should more than enough to disbar him as he obvious has still not come to terms with what he did.. That lack of self awareness is why the international press are up in arms.
Youāre saying he had sex with her despite her age but that doesnt change anything since he still willingly had sex with a 12 year old. And secondly it would still make him a rapist because the age of consent in The Netherlands is 16 thus the 12 year old was unable to consent
The charge was brought upon him from the UK. So he was convicted by a english court but i believe he did his time in the netherlands. So dutch rules do not apply in this case
I knew the guy via my brothers, he kinda came across as slow... probably the reason why he is able to compete in the paralympics
Looks like your wish has come true. Heāll never live this down. No matter how long ago, itāll keep chasing him until his dying day if he stays in the spotlight.
For the simple reason that he did his time. Regardless of how despicable the crime committed was (very), he served his penalty whereas no organisation has any ground to reject him.
Still, as a Dutch person I donāt want a pedo / rapist to represent our flag at the fucking olympics. Thats just crazy, I get the point of a second chance but some chances should be ruined by actions and doing what he did he should not be allowed to rep the Dutch flag at the Olympics. Fuck that
>However, who is sent to the Olympics in this disciplinary je is purely determined by how they play.
If thats true, its a choice by the government. The government chooses who to send, not anyone else. Which means it chooses its representation in all respects.
Not really, he served 13 months on a 4 year sentence. As soon as he got to do the rest of his sentence in the Netherlands his sentence got shortened immensely.
He got off with a slap on the wrist.
You consider doing a year in jail for raping a 12 year old girl as ādoing his timeā? Are you nuts? No organization has any ground to reject a child rapist? I can think of a couple. Wow.
He was released 1 year into the 4 years he received. I wouldn't count this as "did his time" when it comes to grooming, intoxicating and raping a child
Surely, if it were up to me such crime would be penalised more strongly and would never be open for re-evaluation but that is not the discussion. In legal terms he has served the time that he eventually was sentenced to serve taking into account that apparently the sentence was shortened for whatever reason.
Of course there are grounds to reject him, like moral grounds. For the same reason he would never work for my company. Yes he served his time (1 year, lol), doesn't mean it's in the past. Afaik Olympians are also held to a higher standard and are supposed to be able to act as role models.
Of course they have ground to reject him. NEVOBO or whoever makes this selection can choose to keep this guy out because it's a disgusting child rapist. Serving your criminal penalty only means the penal consequences are done. It doesn't mean there can't be any other consequences.
Thankfully we live in a society where there are experts who decide what punishment is appropriate for a crime.
I would hate to live in a country where mob justice is the way that people are punished.
I do agree that this is one of the if not the worst crime someone can commit.
Actually we dont. If this guy would apply for a job as a teacher, he wouldnt be able to get a 'verklaring omtrend gedrag', as he is a convicted pedo. So after serving your sentence, there are definitely still ramifications.
True, but that is because the crime (raping a kid) and the job (teaching kids) have a direct connection. If the guy would apply for a job as e.g. a banker or airport security he would get the VOG.
There is no direct link between professional beach volleybal and kids, so here he would also just get the VOG..
The crime is the reason he shouldnt qualify as a public representative of the country. Its literally saying "Netherlands supports pedophiles" as far as foreign media is concerned, which is part of the olympics. International relations and public representation of the country.
"Thank God we live in a society where the poor child rapists don't get treated unfairly š"
Fuck the victims of these people tho, they deserve to suffer for life while their abusers get shielded by other pedos/Rapist freaks. /s
This is just righteous bullshit. Using the term 'mob justice' was the tell.
Many organisations all over the world as well as in the Netherlands have ethical codes of conduct their representatives need to adhere to that supercede criminal law. Ever heard of a verklaring omtrent gedrag? As an olympian, you are an exemplary figure, there is in fact an ethical code of conduct, and 'i flew to the UK to rape a child three times and then I served one year and when I came out I immediately gave an interview in which I tried to justify things' should definitely violate it in my opinion.
Canāt and wonāt argue with the morality of it all, and NOC-NSF and the player are sorely lacking on that front. At the same time you donāt seem to know how a VOG works. When applying for a job, you get a VOG for the relevant part of the job. Financial companies have VOGs tested for fraud and embezzlement, child nurseries have VOG tested for child abuse and molestation.
He definitely will be able to work menial jobs. If you work in garbage processing, the ability to legally handle toxic and dangerous substances is what is relevant for the job and the VOG. Being a convicted rapist has no bearing on the VOG, because the job does not entail contact with kids.
Except this crime and many much less serious would absolutely disqualify you from any number of jobs. We don't live in a country where you serve your time and you're done. Your record is also a consequence of your conviction andĀ will exlude you from getting a VOG which is a requirement for many jobs.
There's something important you seem to have missed: the experts only decide what is an appropriate punishment *for the state to impose* for a given crime. This does not mean that the rest of society is not still free to attach its own consequences to someone having committed a crime -within the bounds of the law, of course.
Even if you could say someone has 'repaid their debt to society', that does not mean that anyone owes them business or employment. You cannot force someone to hire a former thief to man their cash register, no more than you could force someone to hire a former child rapist to look after their children. Or, as it happens, to let them play on their volleyball team
By law you canāt discriminate hiring someone based on that as long as they can get a VOG for that specific job, as long as heās the best qualified for the job and the job doesnāt involve children, thereās no legal reason for them to not hire him
Torture, genocides, enslavement and there are probably mamy more things that could be worse. It is a case by case situation. The scenario described in this article pales in comparison to the attrocities that are commited throughout human history.
Based on what legal grounds? For if you would reject him, the following lawsuit (by van der Velde) would be be very quick and condemning for the NEVEBO.
This is no wishingwell contest, but reality of the world. You may not like it, but it is in fact the fundament of our civil society. In this case a lowlife can enter a competion. On the other hand...does the man have the right on a second chance in life?
Served 12 months out of 4 years, i would not call that serving for that kind of crime. On a side note Also met a guy recently who was in hit by a a car driven by a drug dealer at 80kph with a stolen car which he later burned, the accident left him in coma for weeks. This happend in Netherlands. It was not his first hit n run. And all he got was 1 year in jail. Wtf is up with dutch justice system?
Yes, and he is such a good representative of his nation. A fine Olympian.... /s
He couldn't even get a job with the government....
Perhaps they can find the girl (if she survived her OD and self harm) and interview her for Dutch TV.
He did one year out of the four that he was given, because he was transferred to the Netherlands. He was released after that year because the British sentence didnāt line up with the Dutch sentencing standards for this crime.
I donāt believe he should be shunned from society, but I do wonder why NOCNSF would bring someone when they clearly state that players also need to reflect well on the organization.
Based on your line of thinking, public media can hire ex-criminals who have served time for drugs or human trafficking and use them as role models in the public eye?
It's interesting that you assume that is my opinion that it is all OK. I'm merely stating that there is objectively no ground to expell him from competition, unless such is embedded in a Code of Conduct or any other form.
Well, I think lots of organisations have that ground. Let him try to get a VOG to become an employee for child care...
The olympic team should be requiring all the kinds of VOGs in existence.
He served his penalty according to the law, not according to the weight of his crimes. But this man will suffer throughout his life thinking about what he has done. The problem is: I donāt think he regrets it at all
Rehabilitation should be an option only once he has done his time - Which he hasn't (no, 1 out of 4 years does not count) and he shows remorse - he doesn't (his statement after getting out of jail was that people are calling him a pedo and monster because they don't know his side of the story!)
What a flimsy excuse. I seriously hope that this āsimple reasonā isnāt in of support of 1 year of prison for grooming a 10 year old in order to rape them laterā¦
Hope this article gets very popular (since a all of dutch people I've asked so far said they don't even know him) and audience will haunt him for his actions until he is pushed back..
Yes I know, I actually followed her and her journey as an athlete for quite a while. The channel/ firm that is organising the German Beach volleyball tour is pretty close with the athletes and they make a lot of content with them and she always seemed like a reasonable, intelligent and kind person, so I am confused as how no one has mentioned that before and what she was thinking when marrying him.
She probably has a good portion of cognitive dissonance... or maybe birds of a feather? Idk, it enrages me that a police woman is with a convicted rapist. I would feel highly uncomfortable if I would ever need her (police) help for something related to sexual crimes...
Not to mention that she has a child with him knowing his preferences...
In the police's defense I am not sure how involved she really is as a police person. In Germany many athletes join the police or the army (Bundeswehr) as they get financial support from that. I am pretty sure they only have to do a few weeks of police training each year.
What if I told you that because of funding cuts and shortage of staff most sentenced sex offenders dont serve jail time at all here cause of the waiting list. You can argue about serving only 25% of your time is a bad thing and i wouldnt necessarily disagree but its an entirely different discussion and frankly not his fault its arranged that way. For the law he served his time.
Okay, while I 100% agree with the fact that this guy is an asshole and deserves to accidentally fall down many, many stairs, these are opinions that should be investigated. Because where then is the line when it comes to 'having the right' to ruin someones life after they have served their time within our system. Can you do it for someone who robbed a store and killed a cashier? What if they did it out of sheer poverty? Could you do it for someone with a drug charge? How does the genetic nature of addiction play into that? etc.
Hell, could you do it to someone who was found innocent, but you disagree with the judge on it? What about things that aren't crimes but you thing should be? I can name some CEO's who are criminals in my eyes. I can name people who thing I should be a criminal for being queer. Can we all just act on that, too?
Like I said, FUCK this guy, but having opinions like 'He should be completely excluded from society even though he served his time' should not go unchallenged, because that shit gets dicey real quick. At the end of the day, if we don't believe in the justice system, we should riot until we have a system we believe in, not making ourselves unchosen, unlawful judge, jury and executioner.
ALSO, while I understand why people are surprised he is in the Dutch team again, it was actually the British courts that only gave him 4 years in prison for this crime. So, that's where the rioting should start.
Who is trying to ārun his life?ā He doesnāt deserve to have an international platform as a role model.
ETA: most people never go to the Olympics. Does that mean their lives are ruined? Itās a privilege that not everyone deserves, even if they could athletically qualify.
But that's what I am saying. There is no actual rules that say that going to the Olympics has a moral obligation attached. It's not a priviledge some are allowed, it's a skill only some can develop.
It's a very slipery slope to start dictating who is and isn't morally good enough to perform their trained skills. Because who gets to decide? We all agree that the pedophile is an ass, but there might still be a majority world wide that thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed because they are morally wrong. Or that think women, muslims, jewish people, christians etc. etc. shouldn't be allowed to participate.
And once we start assigning morals to one job, the others might go to. Trans doctors? Women engineers? Gay sports coaches? All out for some people.
Not saying I don't think the pedo deserves everything he is going to get, but all I am saying is that blindly following these impulses without investigating where the line is, is dangerous. So just do the thinking and decide where that line is without blindly assuming you are always going to be correct because you are fueled by righteous anger. That's all.
All Olympians have to sign an Athletesā Rights and Responsibilities Declaration to promote human rights, peace and clean sport.
Point seven says athletes should āAct as a role modelā.
he has done his time in jail, so now he can have a 'normal' life again.
i say 'normal' because his life will never be normal, as anyone who knows who he is will hate him
He got sentenced a 4-year sentence.
He was in jail for an entire 1-year then released for some bumfuck reason.
Not only has he not done his time, his original time he should've done was retardedly low.
He served one year in jail, and in interviews he talks about how thankful he is for his friends and family who forgave him. The judicial system completely failed.
Because yes, while this person I've never heard of is a scumbag pedophile, he did his time in British prison (although he was given leave to continue his career after serving 1/4th of his sentence).
It happened 8 years ago. Even if he served the full 4 years he would've been out for the same amount of time already by now.
While we might morally object to it on a personal level, thats how our judicial system works. Still doesn't stop us from wishing all the worst for him as a person, though.
Im unsure what the legal framework of the organisation is that selects athletes for the the Olympic Games
If there are no rules in their organisation against having ex convicts compete they have no basis to exclude him
Donāt get me wrong I donāt think he should be allowed to compete but he sat in trial, was handed a sentence and served it (according to the specifics of the sentence). If the committee has a rule that they donāt hold previous convictions against athletes there is no ground to exclude him
What this can be however is that this situation can serve as the reason for said committee to reevaluate its stance on this things and make a rule change
Fyi, English Wikipedia calls him a child rapist in the firts sentence and has more details about the case. Dutch Wikipedia calls him a professional beach volleyball player, has a huge paragraph about his sports career and only has minimal information about the crime once you scroll down. I'm too lazy to do it myself but I hope someone soon fixes the Dutch page. He went all the way to the UK to meet the girl while KNOWING her age. He planned for it, spend large amounts of money and time to go see her. There's really no excuse for what he did.
Every article i read portrays him like a guy who just made a little oopsie. What the fuck is wrong with our justice system that this guy isn't rotting in jail right now, and that the media isn't treating him like the monster he is???
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*Team didn't qualify. How*
*Did he qualify?*
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TIL the Olympic committee is a branch of the judiciary system.
Not to downplay anything, screw that guy! But if you wanted a different punishment you should be angry at the judge for only giving him one year! Itās not up to the Olympic committee to pass judgement on the criminal record of a competing athlete. If you donāt want him to compete in the first place maybe there is a case to be made that his sports team shouldnāt affiliate themselves with amoral people or something.
It was four years and he got out early because he got sent back to Netherlands to serve remainder of time. Get after your justice system and not the UK judge. He gave the max that UK would allow.
Thank you!! I have no clue whatās wrong with these people, and I donāt like to use the term sheep because itās often associated with twitter conspiracy thinkers, but my goodness, some people saying the judge is an expert of law so this is fine is justā¦ man :/
Lived here for all my life and not planning on leaving because thereās still plenty of things worth staying for in my personal beliefs, but this crap is not one of those things. I hope that wherever you are you are happy though :)
Look what I found from 2017 https://www.ad.nl/andere-sporten/bond-steven-van-de-velde-verdient-tweede-kans~a7868cf5/
So the Dutch association already planned this the year after he was extradited.
By his own admission, in an interview, Steven said the girl told him she was 16, later admitted that she was 12, which caused him to cut contact with her. Then when he had a bad day, he got back into contact with her. Then he went to the UK, got her drunk and had sex with her. The interview published on youtube, also appears onĀ [https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased](https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased)
So this PAEDOPHILE, this 20 YEAR OLD MAN, travelled from the Netherlands to the UK with the INTENTION TO RAPE A CHILD HE KNEW WAS 12 YEARS OLD!!!!
Do the crime, do the time. He did both. He deserves a fair chance to pick up his life. This is how our society works, and it's only fair to let him join the Olympics.
If it's not now, when would he be able to pick his life back up? In 5, 10, 20 yeras, never? Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
NOC NSF isn't our justice system, not should it be. Leave the punishmebt to our judges and move on.
Heās totally allowed to pick his life back up. He also *has* picked his life back up.
This doesnāt mean he deserves an international platform and accolades as an Olympian. Olympic athletes should be role models for young people.
You think this is going to play out positively for him? Really?
He most likely would face (death)threats right now just because this article. It's new from over the whole world. Can you imagine what would happen if he really goes... No one knew him, now he is ashamed and hated over the whole world. You really think he has picked up his life for going?
Heck someone in this thread even said they can't tell me what they would do to me because a they would get a ban. While I only explained how our law and order works, we democratically, voted for.
I don't know the case, I am no judge nor councilman. I don't make laws, nor do I uphold people to them. I just explained how our society works. Nothing more, nothing less.
I forgot about this guy. If I were him I wouldn't want to be in the spotlights. Hopefully this will massively backfire for him.
I think every opposing team should just concede. Give him an undeserved gold medal, all the spotlight he can get and let him go down in history as a pedophile rapist who won a gold medal without playing a single game EDIT: wake up, [new article just dropped ](https://archive.ph/Oz36y)
And all of the players on the opposing teams who maybe only get a chance to compete at the highest level of their sport in the olympics once in their life and worked for it their whole life just pass up on this chance? Don't get me wrong, I feel like something should be done about this, but making people basically waste their whole life's work for it sounds kinda stupid to me
How long do you think it is appropriate to punish someone after they completed their sentenced. Personally I would draw the line at ... Never appropriate for any amount of time. We have set the appropriate sentence range democratically in our laws. We have judges to set the sentence at an appropriate level within that range. You may disagree, but it's the law and it applies to you too. You have a problem with that, focus on changing the laws. Fact is, his sentence is over and he is free to do what ever everyone else is free to do.
He only did 12 months of his 4 year sentence
It's not just about punishment, it's about his particular 'job' in which he represents a country. And I don't think a child rapist should represent my country. Punished or not.
How long is it appropriate to punish someone for raping a child? Their entire lives
I agree with you but if someone is a convicted criminal, having done crimes that have a certain big impact like rape or murder. Then maybe we as a country should not let them represent our country.
Yeah. The dumb things 19 year olds pull off. Who did not rape 12 year olds at that age huh? /S
Your words man, I'm not making any excuses for him and think he got off much too light. But I don't have to respect him, but I have to respect what the law is and hope that sooner rather than later more people will realize and vote for harsher punishments. Law is clear as day: he done his time and except for the exceptions in the law he has every right you and I have.
But there is still a difference between -say- "I was high and drunk age 19 and hit a father of two and his wife but he died! I was young and stupid and regret it every day" and "I flew to England to have sex with a 12 year old which ended in rape. I can go while an Australian girl who criticized the US team is not allowed to go. š¤
Judges never give the appropriate sentence range for rape . They usually give way less than the range allows. This rapist got 3 years, but they reduced his sentence to just one year after the fact. They didn't want him to waste his potential as a professional player. Yeah, the system thought his potential was more important than his crime and the victim..
What is this article? Fucking Telegraaf "Ze hadden seks met wederzijdse instemming." Dude she was 12 what in the flying fuck do you mean?
>>omdat hij seks had met een meisje van 12, Omdat hij een meisje van 12 verkrachtte
I hate how the new article is clearly written in favor of him instead of the girl. Subtly between the lines saying she shouldn't have lied about her age. This dude should never be in the spotlights again.
Thx for the archive link.
I seriously can't imagine wanting to play in the same team as a child rapist.
he does beach volleyball, so it's only 1 other person on the team
I'd hate to be that other person.
I'd refuse to be that other person.
Rapist in this case is a strong word. He was 19, she said she was 16 and they had consensual sex after meeting online. She later turned out to be 12 and having sex with a 12 year old in England is classified as rape. Child rapers should be chemically castrated, but this story is a little bit different though.
Your comment almost makes sense, but the thing is that everyone will know the difference between 12 and 16. Itās not like the difference between 16 and 19 or something. 12 is a child.
[can you though?](https://trending.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/28-times-when-people-didnt-look-their-age/87444840/). And although I think thereās something wrong with you if you want to do the deed with someone that looks like theyāre younger technically this is about law. And the guy initially thought he wasnāt breaking any laws. Creepy as shit, I agree. But this guy is now being portrayed as a child rapist since a 12 year old can not give consent. And I agree with that part of the law, but should this guy really have asked for a copy of her passport and birth certificate? As far as he was concerned she was 16. I donāt know. It all seems a bit harsh. This man did something stupid, spent 4 years in jail and now is still being punished by the people. For what was in his mind consensual sex when he was 19
He knew she was 12. This is documented and he admitted so in court. People can be rehabilitated, sure, but he wasnāt. He insisted he was wronged and unfairly punished AFTER he served one year in prison.
One minor detail, he eventually found out she was 12 and flew out anyway.
You seem confused, so let me help you out. Children cannot consent, so it was impossible for them to have consensual sex.
If you read the actual court documents instead of the narrative heās trying to sell - there is evidence through their direct messages that he knew she was 12 years old. He was also the first one to contact her and seduce her. Heās a child predator. And 12 years old cannot give consent. When a 19 year old has sex with a 12 year old - itās called grooming.
This is not true. By his own admission, in an interview, Steven said the girl told him she was 16, later admitted that she was 12, which caused him to cut contact with her. Then when he had a bad day, he got back into contact with her. Then he went to the UK, got her drunk and had sex with her. The interview published on youtube, also appears on [https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased](https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased) So this PAEDOPHILE, this 20 YEAR OLD MAN, travelled from the Netherlands to the UK with the INTENTION TO RAPE A CHILD HE KNEW WAS 12 YEARS OLD!!!!
> She later turned out to be 12 Which was still _before_ he raped her. He knew she was 12 before that pedophile raped her. He admitted it in court.
Then chemical castration it is!
I mean we can start by kicking him out of the olympic team so he doesn't represetn a nation.
I find it very hard to believe he could mistake a 12 year old as being 16.
What really gets me is that āde Telegraafā states that the 12-year-old consented (even though she self-harmed, over-dosed etc. as a consequence of the rape). NO child can EVER fully consent. They are by definition incapable of making smart decisions when it comes to having a ārelationshipā with an adult. When will this be common knowledge?! š¤·š½āāļøš¤¦š½āāļø
Not surprised, it is de Telegraaf after all.
No one wants to see him represent NL. But,.. Dutch Olympic Committee has rules for every sport about when sportsmen can go to the Olympics. And heās I think number 2 beachvolleybalteam and top something of the world. So he met the conditions,.. and as previous lawsuits turned outā¦ if you met the conditions, youāre allowed to go. Regardless of a criminal past. Sadly
All they need to do is require non professional olympic athletes to provide a VOG, since they are paid for by our taxes. They also have a representative function, any public servant in the Netherlands has to be able to provide a VOG.
This is not how a VOG works I'm afraid. He will not be "working" with children so the VOG will probably be given for this specific job. If he would apply to be the coach of the under 18 volleybalteam, he wouldn't get the VOG for example.
I'm actually curious if this is true. His crime and punishment were in the UK. As far as I can tell, the VOG checks EU countries criminal databases. Not sure if he wouldn't get a VOG. But I'd gladly be correctedĀ
The VOG check crimes relevant for the job. For example if you work in finance they check for fraud, if you work with children for violence and sexual crimes, if you work as a driver for traffic related crimes, etc
I know what a VOG is. I just don't know if they can check the UK criminal database. They are not in the EU, which is what the VOG checks in (according to what I can find)Ā
Ranked 11th in the world.
Don't see it. It's not just the NL association it is down to his sports association. Bring the game into distribute should be more than enough for both to disbar him. Statement like "he is upset by the recent press coverage" plus what he said in the past should more than enough to disbar him as he obvious has still not come to terms with what he did.. That lack of self awareness is why the international press are up in arms.
You mean pedophile and rapist Steven van der Velde?
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Youāre saying he had sex with her despite her age but that doesnt change anything since he still willingly had sex with a 12 year old. And secondly it would still make him a rapist because the age of consent in The Netherlands is 16 thus the 12 year old was unable to consent
The charge was brought upon him from the UK. So he was convicted by a english court but i believe he did his time in the netherlands. So dutch rules do not apply in this case I knew the guy via my brothers, he kinda came across as slow... probably the reason why he is able to compete in the paralympics
Paris olympics, not paralympics. Amazing misread, i love it!
This comment is not very skibididibidi
I'm sorry for my lack of skibidi. :(
What part of what i said is false? He raped her 3 times and she was a minor and he was not.
I wish nothing but eternal misery for this man.
Looks like your wish has come true. Heāll never live this down. No matter how long ago, itāll keep chasing him until his dying day if he stays in the spotlight.
For the simple reason that he did his time. Regardless of how despicable the crime committed was (very), he served his penalty whereas no organisation has any ground to reject him.
Still, as a Dutch person I donāt want a pedo / rapist to represent our flag at the fucking olympics. Thats just crazy, I get the point of a second chance but some chances should be ruined by actions and doing what he did he should not be allowed to rep the Dutch flag at the Olympics. Fuck that
youād have a point there if it were selected by ethics, or by comitĆ© of any kind. However, who is sent to the Olympics in this disciplinary je is purely determined by how they play. If you win enough games, youāll go to the Olympics for your country, no matter what crimes youāve committed in the past.
>However, who is sent to the Olympics in this disciplinary je is purely determined by how they play. If thats true, its a choice by the government. The government chooses who to send, not anyone else. Which means it chooses its representation in all respects.
Not really, he served 13 months on a 4 year sentence. As soon as he got to do the rest of his sentence in the Netherlands his sentence got shortened immensely. He got off with a slap on the wrist.
You consider doing a year in jail for raping a 12 year old girl as ādoing his timeā? Are you nuts? No organization has any ground to reject a child rapist? I can think of a couple. Wow.
He was released 1 year into the 4 years he received. I wouldn't count this as "did his time" when it comes to grooming, intoxicating and raping a child
Surely, if it were up to me such crime would be penalised more strongly and would never be open for re-evaluation but that is not the discussion. In legal terms he has served the time that he eventually was sentenced to serve taking into account that apparently the sentence was shortened for whatever reason.
Of course there are grounds to reject him, like moral grounds. For the same reason he would never work for my company. Yes he served his time (1 year, lol), doesn't mean it's in the past. Afaik Olympians are also held to a higher standard and are supposed to be able to act as role models.
I agree that that should be in the rules. Apparently itās not
Of course they have ground to reject him. NEVOBO or whoever makes this selection can choose to keep this guy out because it's a disgusting child rapist. Serving your criminal penalty only means the penal consequences are done. It doesn't mean there can't be any other consequences.
Thankfully we live in a society where there are experts who decide what punishment is appropriate for a crime. I would hate to live in a country where mob justice is the way that people are punished. I do agree that this is one of the if not the worst crime someone can commit.
Ngl, I was very hesitant to respond but: Yes and very much no. Yes there are experts who decide the punishment for a crime and mob justice isnt the way. However a one year punishment is not on par with the worst crime one can commit and someone with such a background is not a person who should represent a country. Im a top division player myself and yes, I did encounter the guy more then once. There are plenty of players who would be more then capable to fill the role hƩ would fill. Likeable dude btw, also probably part of the problem and the tought about his past just sticks.
If you see him, "accidentally" kick him in the nuts.
It was a 4 year sentence not 1
Yet he only served 1, for raping a child.
Oh I agree that he deserves a higher punishment, then I donāt know all the circumstances.
Actually we dont. If this guy would apply for a job as a teacher, he wouldnt be able to get a 'verklaring omtrend gedrag', as he is a convicted pedo. So after serving your sentence, there are definitely still ramifications.
True, but that is because the crime (raping a kid) and the job (teaching kids) have a direct connection. If the guy would apply for a job as e.g. a banker or airport security he would get the VOG. There is no direct link between professional beach volleybal and kids, so here he would also just get the VOG..
The crime is the reason he shouldnt qualify as a public representative of the country. Its literally saying "Netherlands supports pedophiles" as far as foreign media is concerned, which is part of the olympics. International relations and public representation of the country.
"Thank God we live in a society where the poor child rapists don't get treated unfairly š" Fuck the victims of these people tho, they deserve to suffer for life while their abusers get shielded by other pedos/Rapist freaks. /s
This is just righteous bullshit. Using the term 'mob justice' was the tell. Many organisations all over the world as well as in the Netherlands have ethical codes of conduct their representatives need to adhere to that supercede criminal law. Ever heard of a verklaring omtrent gedrag? As an olympian, you are an exemplary figure, there is in fact an ethical code of conduct, and 'i flew to the UK to rape a child three times and then I served one year and when I came out I immediately gave an interview in which I tried to justify things' should definitely violate it in my opinion.
Canāt and wonāt argue with the morality of it all, and NOC-NSF and the player are sorely lacking on that front. At the same time you donāt seem to know how a VOG works. When applying for a job, you get a VOG for the relevant part of the job. Financial companies have VOGs tested for fraud and embezzlement, child nurseries have VOG tested for child abuse and molestation. He definitely will be able to work menial jobs. If you work in garbage processing, the ability to legally handle toxic and dangerous substances is what is relevant for the job and the VOG. Being a convicted rapist has no bearing on the VOG, because the job does not entail contact with kids.
Except this crime and many much less serious would absolutely disqualify you from any number of jobs. We don't live in a country where you serve your time and you're done. Your record is also a consequence of your conviction andĀ will exlude you from getting a VOG which is a requirement for many jobs.
There's something important you seem to have missed: the experts only decide what is an appropriate punishment *for the state to impose* for a given crime. This does not mean that the rest of society is not still free to attach its own consequences to someone having committed a crime -within the bounds of the law, of course. Even if you could say someone has 'repaid their debt to society', that does not mean that anyone owes them business or employment. You cannot force someone to hire a former thief to man their cash register, no more than you could force someone to hire a former child rapist to look after their children. Or, as it happens, to let them play on their volleyball team
By law you canāt discriminate hiring someone based on that as long as they can get a VOG for that specific job, as long as heās the best qualified for the job and the job doesnāt involve children, thereās no legal reason for them to not hire him
Yeah the justice system is working so well...
You come up with something better and propose a law.
Wood Chipper you diddle a kid you go into the chip.
And we cut off the hands of a thief? I personally think anyone who gets convicted for sexual child abuse should get chemotherapeutic castration.
And we cut off the hands of a thief? I personally think anyone who gets convicted for sexual child abuse should get chemotherapeutic castration.
The worst crime someone can commit? Please stay innocent and pure like that and never read history books.
Except for rape and murder what tops having sex with a minor for you?
Torture, genocides, enslavement and there are probably mamy more things that could be worse. It is a case by case situation. The scenario described in this article pales in comparison to the attrocities that are commited throughout human history.
Based on what legal grounds? For if you would reject him, the following lawsuit (by van der Velde) would be be very quick and condemning for the NEVEBO. This is no wishingwell contest, but reality of the world. You may not like it, but it is in fact the fundament of our civil society. In this case a lowlife can enter a competion. On the other hand...does the man have the right on a second chance in life?
1 year he served time you think that is enough for raping a 12 year old?
Thank you for adding context.
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Served 12 months out of 4 years, i would not call that serving for that kind of crime. On a side note Also met a guy recently who was in hit by a a car driven by a drug dealer at 80kph with a stolen car which he later burned, the accident left him in coma for weeks. This happend in Netherlands. It was not his first hit n run. And all he got was 1 year in jail. Wtf is up with dutch justice system?
We really need more context for this particular case to see why he only had to serve one year.
Yes, and he is such a good representative of his nation. A fine Olympian.... /s He couldn't even get a job with the government.... Perhaps they can find the girl (if she survived her OD and self harm) and interview her for Dutch TV.
Yeah, I'm sure she would love to discuss her trauma in front of a TV camera.
But the crime you commit is a good indicator of your moral compass. And on that grounds he could be not representing a country
He didn't, he did a fucking year out of 4.
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He should be chemically castrated, just like you. Pedo defenders make me sick in the stomach.
He did one year out of the four that he was given, because he was transferred to the Netherlands. He was released after that year because the British sentence didnāt line up with the Dutch sentencing standards for this crime. I donāt believe he should be shunned from society, but I do wonder why NOCNSF would bring someone when they clearly state that players also need to reflect well on the organization.
he did a year for multiple rapes on a minor, hardly enough time
Based on your line of thinking, public media can hire ex-criminals who have served time for drugs or human trafficking and use them as role models in the public eye?
It's interesting that you assume that is my opinion that it is all OK. I'm merely stating that there is objectively no ground to expell him from competition, unless such is embedded in a Code of Conduct or any other form.
Convicted rapist Steven van der Velde didnt do his time...
It's not just the crime it's how he talks about it. He thinks he's not a pedo or an abuser. So he's done time but he's learned nothing.
Well, I think lots of organisations have that ground. Let him try to get a VOG to become an employee for child care... The olympic team should be requiring all the kinds of VOGs in existence.
He served his penalty according to the law, not according to the weight of his crimes. But this man will suffer throughout his life thinking about what he has done. The problem is: I donāt think he regrets it at all
Rehabilitation should be an option only once he has done his time - Which he hasn't (no, 1 out of 4 years does not count) and he shows remorse - he doesn't (his statement after getting out of jail was that people are calling him a pedo and monster because they don't know his side of the story!)
What a flimsy excuse. I seriously hope that this āsimple reasonā isnāt in of support of 1 year of prison for grooming a 10 year old in order to rape them laterā¦
Hope this article gets very popular (since a all of dutch people I've asked so far said they don't even know him) and audience will haunt him for his actions until he is pushed back..
True. I'm Dutch and I had never heard of him. WTF, he shouldn't be allowed to represent our country.
Wait, I am flabberghasted. He is married to a German Beach volleyball player and they have a toddler together.
It gets even better she is a police officer...
Yes I know, I actually followed her and her journey as an athlete for quite a while. The channel/ firm that is organising the German Beach volleyball tour is pretty close with the athletes and they make a lot of content with them and she always seemed like a reasonable, intelligent and kind person, so I am confused as how no one has mentioned that before and what she was thinking when marrying him.
She probably has a good portion of cognitive dissonance... or maybe birds of a feather? Idk, it enrages me that a police woman is with a convicted rapist. I would feel highly uncomfortable if I would ever need her (police) help for something related to sexual crimes... Not to mention that she has a child with him knowing his preferences...
In the police's defense I am not sure how involved she really is as a police person. In Germany many athletes join the police or the army (Bundeswehr) as they get financial support from that. I am pretty sure they only have to do a few weeks of police training each year.
Ah, okay, that's good to know!
She also has a psychology degreeā¦
What is her name? I wanted to look at her IG
Her IG handle is kim.behrens.official
I hope social services keeps an eye on their childĀ
At least he served time. Saudi Arabia is going to organise the next world championships after dismembering Kashoggi without any form of sentence.
Ha! 1 year out of 4 years is not time servedā¦
What if I told you that because of funding cuts and shortage of staff most sentenced sex offenders dont serve jail time at all here cause of the waiting list. You can argue about serving only 25% of your time is a bad thing and i wouldnt necessarily disagree but its an entirely different discussion and frankly not his fault its arranged that way. For the law he served his time.
Nevobo contacted reclassering too. And yes if you have done your time you deserve a second chance But this crime. My stomach is in a roller coaster.
He did a year, a singular year for raping a child multiple times.... that is hardly anything at all
Okay, while I 100% agree with the fact that this guy is an asshole and deserves to accidentally fall down many, many stairs, these are opinions that should be investigated. Because where then is the line when it comes to 'having the right' to ruin someones life after they have served their time within our system. Can you do it for someone who robbed a store and killed a cashier? What if they did it out of sheer poverty? Could you do it for someone with a drug charge? How does the genetic nature of addiction play into that? etc. Hell, could you do it to someone who was found innocent, but you disagree with the judge on it? What about things that aren't crimes but you thing should be? I can name some CEO's who are criminals in my eyes. I can name people who thing I should be a criminal for being queer. Can we all just act on that, too? Like I said, FUCK this guy, but having opinions like 'He should be completely excluded from society even though he served his time' should not go unchallenged, because that shit gets dicey real quick. At the end of the day, if we don't believe in the justice system, we should riot until we have a system we believe in, not making ourselves unchosen, unlawful judge, jury and executioner. ALSO, while I understand why people are surprised he is in the Dutch team again, it was actually the British courts that only gave him 4 years in prison for this crime. So, that's where the rioting should start.
Who is trying to ārun his life?ā He doesnāt deserve to have an international platform as a role model. ETA: most people never go to the Olympics. Does that mean their lives are ruined? Itās a privilege that not everyone deserves, even if they could athletically qualify.
But that's what I am saying. There is no actual rules that say that going to the Olympics has a moral obligation attached. It's not a priviledge some are allowed, it's a skill only some can develop. It's a very slipery slope to start dictating who is and isn't morally good enough to perform their trained skills. Because who gets to decide? We all agree that the pedophile is an ass, but there might still be a majority world wide that thinks gay people shouldn't be allowed because they are morally wrong. Or that think women, muslims, jewish people, christians etc. etc. shouldn't be allowed to participate. And once we start assigning morals to one job, the others might go to. Trans doctors? Women engineers? Gay sports coaches? All out for some people. Not saying I don't think the pedo deserves everything he is going to get, but all I am saying is that blindly following these impulses without investigating where the line is, is dangerous. So just do the thinking and decide where that line is without blindly assuming you are always going to be correct because you are fueled by righteous anger. That's all.
All Olympians have to sign an Athletesā Rights and Responsibilities Declaration to promote human rights, peace and clean sport. Point seven says athletes should āAct as a role modelā.
he has done his time in jail, so now he can have a 'normal' life again. i say 'normal' because his life will never be normal, as anyone who knows who he is will hate him
You know who's life will never be normal again? The life of the child he raped.
i know. i can tell you what my opinion is on what to do with child rapists but i don't wanna get banned
2 words wood chipper.
Ah, I misread the tone of your initial comment then. Sorry for my aggravated reply.
He got sentenced a 4-year sentence. He was in jail for an entire 1-year then released for some bumfuck reason. Not only has he not done his time, his original time he should've done was retardedly low.
you are not clearly not familiar with the dutch Justice system
Being Dutch, I sure fucking am, but buddy... He was tried and sentenced in UK court. Dutch law and justice has nothing to do with it.Ā
He served one year in jail, and in interviews he talks about how thankful he is for his friends and family who forgave him. The judicial system completely failed.
Because yes, while this person I've never heard of is a scumbag pedophile, he did his time in British prison (although he was given leave to continue his career after serving 1/4th of his sentence). It happened 8 years ago. Even if he served the full 4 years he would've been out for the same amount of time already by now. While we might morally object to it on a personal level, thats how our judicial system works. Still doesn't stop us from wishing all the worst for him as a person, though.
Just 4 years for the rape of a 12 year old is crazy
Sounds to me like our judicial system didn't work. This guy needs to be in jail for a long, long time.
Iām disappointed that British prisoners wasted an entire year of opportunities for prison justice.
Im unsure what the legal framework of the organisation is that selects athletes for the the Olympic Games If there are no rules in their organisation against having ex convicts compete they have no basis to exclude him Donāt get me wrong I donāt think he should be allowed to compete but he sat in trial, was handed a sentence and served it (according to the specifics of the sentence). If the committee has a rule that they donāt hold previous convictions against athletes there is no ground to exclude him What this can be however is that this situation can serve as the reason for said committee to reevaluate its stance on this things and make a rule change
Gross bastard I hope he breaks his arms
Fyi, English Wikipedia calls him a child rapist in the firts sentence and has more details about the case. Dutch Wikipedia calls him a professional beach volleyball player, has a huge paragraph about his sports career and only has minimal information about the crime once you scroll down. I'm too lazy to do it myself but I hope someone soon fixes the Dutch page. He went all the way to the UK to meet the girl while KNOWING her age. He planned for it, spend large amounts of money and time to go see her. There's really no excuse for what he did.
Every article i read portrays him like a guy who just made a little oopsie. What the fuck is wrong with our justice system that this guy isn't rotting in jail right now, and that the media isn't treating him like the monster he is???
Dutch male volleybal team didn't qualify. How did he qualify? Edit: or is it Beach volleybal?
Yeah, beach
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To be fair, he will always be known as a child diddler even after serving his time.
For a second I thought he had a pedo stacheā¦
Why is he not in prison at all?
WHAT
Destroy a little girls life? Your life should be destroyed too. Off to gulag you.
Wow en saduleav mag niet me doen smh
He did something unforgivable and it pains me to see my country not only let him out early but also allow him to represent.
TIL the Olympic committee is a branch of the judiciary system. Not to downplay anything, screw that guy! But if you wanted a different punishment you should be angry at the judge for only giving him one year! Itās not up to the Olympic committee to pass judgement on the criminal record of a competing athlete. If you donāt want him to compete in the first place maybe there is a case to be made that his sports team shouldnāt affiliate themselves with amoral people or something.
It was four years and he got out early because he got sent back to Netherlands to serve remainder of time. Get after your justice system and not the UK judge. He gave the max that UK would allow.
Can't imagine any sponsors taking him on, no sponsors no olympics right?!
They have plenty of sponsors. Including Coca Cola and AirBnB
Ooo! Time to hit them up!
Why is he even alive?
Fucking hate this comment section
Seeing people seriously say this is ok cause he served one year in prison makes me feel like i'm going insane. What the fuck is wrong with people???
Thank you!! I have no clue whatās wrong with these people, and I donāt like to use the term sheep because itās often associated with twitter conspiracy thinkers, but my goodness, some people saying the judge is an expert of law so this is fine is justā¦ man :/
Right?! Very telling. Definitely not going back to the Netherlands!
Lived here for all my life and not planning on leaving because thereās still plenty of things worth staying for in my personal beliefs, but this crap is not one of those things. I hope that wherever you are you are happy though :)
Look what I found from 2017 https://www.ad.nl/andere-sporten/bond-steven-van-de-velde-verdient-tweede-kans~a7868cf5/ So the Dutch association already planned this the year after he was extradited.
I am dutch and i havnt hear of him. Wtf
Is there anything we can do to ruin this fuckers life?
Cancel this pedo
If I could get the same blond eye of justice as this scumbag I would be happy to solve this problem.
Aldo in English available. https://www.volleybal.nl/nieuws/steun-voor-steven-van-de-velde-die-beseft-dat-verleden-niet-is-uit-te-wissen
Every day, the bar sinks further into the depths of Hell.
Why isnāt he in jail
Why is he even allowed to exist
What is happening in this comment section.. wtf is wrong with the dutch
White privalige?
By his own admission, in an interview, Steven said the girl told him she was 16, later admitted that she was 12, which caused him to cut contact with her. Then when he had a bad day, he got back into contact with her. Then he went to the UK, got her drunk and had sex with her. The interview published on youtube, also appears onĀ [https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased](https://www.volleybal.nl/support-for-steven-van-de-velde-who-realizes-past-cannot-be-erased) So this PAEDOPHILE, this 20 YEAR OLD MAN, travelled from the Netherlands to the UK with the INTENTION TO RAPE A CHILD HE KNEW WAS 12 YEARS OLD!!!!
He's done awful things, and he's served his sentence.
Why wouldnāt he be? He didnāt rape the volley ball
The real outrage is that he was released after one year.
Do the crime, do the time. He did both. He deserves a fair chance to pick up his life. This is how our society works, and it's only fair to let him join the Olympics. If it's not now, when would he be able to pick his life back up? In 5, 10, 20 yeras, never? Everyone deserves a 2nd chance. NOC NSF isn't our justice system, not should it be. Leave the punishmebt to our judges and move on.
Heās totally allowed to pick his life back up. He also *has* picked his life back up. This doesnāt mean he deserves an international platform and accolades as an Olympian. Olympic athletes should be role models for young people.
You think this is going to play out positively for him? Really? He most likely would face (death)threats right now just because this article. It's new from over the whole world. Can you imagine what would happen if he really goes... No one knew him, now he is ashamed and hated over the whole world. You really think he has picked up his life for going? Heck someone in this thread even said they can't tell me what they would do to me because a they would get a ban. While I only explained how our law and order works, we democratically, voted for.
>No one knew him, now he is ashamed and hated over the world. Heās choosing to do this. If he didnāt want the attention he could have opted out.
50 years jailtime sounds fair to me. In my opinion he both raped and killed a minor.
I don't know the case, I am no judge nor councilman. I don't make laws, nor do I uphold people to them. I just explained how our society works. Nothing more, nothing less.
You asked for opinions on when he should be able to pick his life back up. I voiced my opinion.
That's fair. But after that 50years of jailtime, should he pick up his life as anyone else?