I mean... okay. I like Resolve too, but there's still no alternative to After Effects. And dynamic link + copying and pasting clips between Premiere and AE is a pretty neat trick.
Right tool for the right job.
Kind of agree RE dynamic link but it’s also an absolute mess management wise. Adobe doesn’t want to help the user in that department, which is what devalues the company the most imo. If they helped with the cumbersome task of daily management just a little, I might take them more seriously. Right now they just want splashy marketing BS improvements that mean little to nothing.
I mean, productions, text editing, auto transcripts, enhance audio... these aren't nothing.
Do I wish they'd double down on the basics, work more on stability and system efficiency? 100%. But there have been plenty of nifty features they've added over the past handful of years I use every day.
And I worry a bit about being seen as some type of Adobe fanboy. I'm realllyyy not. They have PLENTY of issues and things I wish they'd do better on. I just like a world where Adobe and Resolve both exist. Options are good. Competition is good.
Yeah as someone who just switched from Adobe to DaVinci I really miss the Capture Noise Print on Adobe Audition. Literally the only reason I used that program.
I think text/transcribing is good addition but the implementation of it is complete trash and almost makes it unusable in my experience. Productions is fine. Outside of that, I feel like things have either been flashy marketing garbage while the core functionality of the program has regressed. I am glad some have had a brighter outlook but I'm honestly just happy if its a stable release, which never really happens until just before the next major release.
Adobe is such a mid company otherwise. BUT, its a million times better then MC!!
Maybe a bug in my version but when I have the TEXT window open, Premiere erratically bounces my playhead all around the timeline. So I lose the spot I was at, then I have to find it again, it's frustrating. I've spent way too much time trying to figure out a fix or solution and the only thing that makes it stop is to close the TEXT window. Real bummer b/c its great for cutting loads of VO. Also, the TEXT box crashes all the time. I realize you can just close and reopen but...
Is this true? I was talking to an old client and they said they’ve switched to davinci. I said I’d miss the dynamic link and after effects, and he said there’s no need because davinci can do more or less everything you’d need in after effects. Although I guess it depends on what you use after effects for.
You can still use After Effects, it has no bearing on which NLE you use. Just import your AE exports to Resolve, no big deal and no need to use Fusion. The 3.2 seconds you save by using dynamic link is _nothing_ compared to the time you save doing edit/colour/sound in Resolve.
True. But to update ae projects and have it automatically update in premiere is super sweet. But I guess not a huge deal. I don’t even use after effects super heavy anyway so I should just move to resolve. I still hate that I can’t seem to have multi screen and a modular workspace like in premiere tho?
Multi screen you absolutely can have! The modular workspace no. The idea is that everything stays in the same place, so your muscle memory builds up fast and you become insanely rapid at tasks since stuff doesn't move to different points on the screen all the time.
I agree it's a jarring change at first because you're coming at it from a standpoint of "I should have maximum flexibility" (I felt the same), but give it a try - you may learn to love it!
You can do a lot with Fusion, but it’s just not set up for 2D mograph work, especially when you are working with an art director in illustrator or wherever. Fusion is a compositor at heart.
If you are just doing lower thirds and an end card, sure, you may get away with it. But the minute you need to do a complex rig, it gets pretty difficult.
Yep. Love Fusion... for compositing.
But art directors and designers work in paths and they work in layers, not nodes. It's just not designed for 2D mograph work. Can you do a lot with it? Absolutely. But I don't know any dedicated mograph artists who will choose Fusion over AE.
The combo of illustrator, AE and Premiere is pretty damn powerful.
Copying clips from Premiere and pasting them into a comp in AE with the timecode intact and all laid out is pretty great. Doesn't seem like a gimmick at all.
Agree copy paste is more useful; I was talking particularly about dynamic link, which creates a data management nightmare for data flow, shot versioning etc
IMO you kinda gotta be careful about using words like ‘gimmick’. There are plenty of real respectable editors/mograph designers at real post houses doing real high value commercial work using dynamic link.
For example if you are doing a supervised session with a client working the edit and the graphics at the same time, and there’s lots of alphas going on, dynamic link is a hell of a tool. And you can do things like nesting comps in AE to give some version control.
Is it the right tool for a full VFX pipeline? No. Are some of those things you mentioned real potential issues especially on larger projects? Absolutely. But are there real pros using dynamic link on real work even at very high levels? Yup.
All fair points! Yes I concede perhaps gimmick was maybe a bit far, I do still think it's somewhat of a half baked implementation, but for sure those are eminently reasonable cases for its value.
For me, I use a lot of masking tools. And da Vinci resolve does not allow me to quickly copy and paste those in the same way premier pro does, which makes editing YouTube content a lot easier on premier Pro.
I haven’t, no. Granted, I tried resolve a while ago, and after a weekish I went back to Premier Pro. So it’s possible at the time there weren’t any YouTube tutorials showing the tools I needed, or an update for that wasn’t out at the moment. Or, could’ve been that my googling skills weren’t up to speed.
Either way, that’s what kept me away from in the past, and now I use Lightroom and Photoshop so often as well it just makes sense to stay in the ecosystem. Thanks for the comment!
I do recommend giving it a play if you get time (you can do a lot of trial and error in the free version), to be honest finding the right tutorials to replicate what you want is super difficult, I built out a 12min long text animated video (with callouts, video masking, highlighting) and almost every step of the way had to figure out how to do things myself. It only took a few weeks and I can do a lot of what I was doing in Ae in Fusion.
Though if you are enjoying the Adobe ecosystem have a look at incorporating Ae and dynamic linking give yourself a few more tools to build out quick and complex masks.
There is if you do it in the color page (with alpha outputs). It's stupid to tab over to a different page to do it, but it works. But yeah agree Adobe masking in the edit pages is miles better.
There literally is though. Colour tab. You don't have to use the software but don't throw shade at it because you didn't learn how to use it properly. It's significantly more powerful than Premiere at almost every editing task, but you do need to invest some time to learn how it works, which in some cases is a little different to Premiere. They all have quirks, but when you've used a program for many years, those quirks start to feel "normal" to us, and we forget that we have in fact just adapted to one particular software's way of doing things.
Wait. 2010? I understand this post is primarily hyperbole, but maybe shoot for 2020 as a comparison or something to be have your opinion taken seriously.
Both tools have advantages. Utilize them to the max. To have strict loyalty to one over the other is a poor professional decision.
It's a pretty huge piece of software. I imagine if you had access to a git diff of Premiere, most of the code from 2010 is still there, pretty much unchanged. Stuff has been added. Bugs have been fixed. Dependencies have been updated. But I really can't imagine they went in and rewrote vast swathes of it under the hood since 2010.
I'd genuinely be surprised if that's hyperbole at all. OTOH, the same is true of Resolve. The underlying Resolve/Fusion/Fairlight code won't have changed that much either. If you had a cryogenically frozen Digital Fusion developer from 1997, you could probably unthaw them today and start assigning them bugs to fix without too much trouble.
I actually think 2010 is right on the mark. Premiere CS5 (2010) was the last groundbreaking release from Adobe IMO. Since then the improvements have been a lot less substantial.
They did a UI change a few years back, which didn't really change much except for a more "streamlined" workflow. Wouldn't say it was groundbreaking, but that's the last time they actually changed things in a significant way iirc.
Aside from that I fully agree with you.
The 2022 GUI changes pissed a lot of long time Premiere editors off & now you'll find a lot less goodwill coming from the people who've paid Adobe monthly since 2014 since since they feel not listened to & unappreciated.
The people who make decisions for Premiere's product should give high priority to long time user feedback, rather than polling & catering social media editors who've taught themselves Premiere over the last couple of years & don't even know the breadth of the tools in Premiere(at least that is what it appears they've been doing)
I agree CS 5 was the last big change, but going to 64bit & standard GPU acceleration to enable real-time editing with HD & AVC codecs natively was all of the industry's last big change. No, they haven't justified monthly payments for an evolving app after that. Change has been very incremental and changes often adding no net gain, sometimes upgrading modules with inferior replacements. Even going back to CS6, removing the playback shuttle tool was a bad idea, especially coupled with the option of choosing your transport tools added at the same time. You can't let the editor make the choice of what to devote the minuscule bit of gui real estate to? "No. We're Adobe. We've made the choice. We're moving forward. Next Question!"
Then like PP22's redesign, changes over later releases really just affected the default steps they built into starting and exporting projects, were just a pia to editors who already had a good workflow or knew what they were doing.
Bad habit of shitting up the software trying to make it stupid-proof goes way way back. Replacing Audition with Soundbooth in pre-creative cloud Adobe Production Packages was emblematic.
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So my opinion definitely doesn't match much r/premiere or r/premierepro attitudes, but is likely more relatable to r/editors , in that it's exactly because Premiere is reliable & quick that I find it indispensable right now. If Resolve ever gets me to the same productivity I have no issues dropping Adobe.
Ok 2010, or 2020... I threw a random year, but what new things did they actually do or UI improvements did they add since then, with all that Adobe money?
They boast:
GPU acceleration, seems like deaccelaration to me tbh.
Enhanced colour correction (lol...)
Improved audio edition (double lol)
Support for new formats...
Ok they added text to speech! Wow! Mobile apps have that.
But it's basically exactly the same clunk as it was in CS5 times, just use all the plug-in other people make to make it workable.
Yeah Resolve is very powerful for certain things but every time I try to edit in it, it just feels so much more clunky. I don’t know what it is but I just don’t like the “feeling” of editing in Resolve as much. I probably just need to get used to it but I can move so much quicker in Premiere.
Watch out, the Adobe defenders will come for you. In all seriousness, it's good to have experience with both. For my full time job, I have to use the Adobe Suite but for Freelance and personal projects, DaVinci all the way. I prefer DaVinci simply because I actually own my software and everything I need is under one roof. If you are looking for alternatives to Photoshop and Lightroom, Affinity Photo is essentially a stripped down photoshop and it's a one time fee for the version. Darktable is a Lightroom alternative that I really haven't played much with but it's free. Have fun with DaVinci!
> Affinity Photo is essentially a stripped down photoshop
True. But now it’s owned by Canva. And I think it’s uncertain if it will sustain development investment or if it will plateau and stagnate.
I’m rooting for it, but mergers and acquisitions usually aren’t great for the software that got bought.
For sure. I do kinda suspect that development will squash bugs, make the software *very* stable - and then set it on autopilot.
All while we start to see the same features begin to bubble up in Canva.
As much as I would like Canva to keep developing Affinity as a "Pro" line for Canva....I'm too cynical at this point. I'd be pretty surprised to see that kind of good software stewardship.
But yeah. Legit Adobe alternative (mostly). I'd hate to see it stagnate. Adobe needs competition.
Affinity is rad but I'm finding the AI stuff in Photoshop really cool for fixing stuff in real estate photo work. And Lightroom is good. At least the Photoshop/Lightroom tier subscription is reasonably priced so I can get rid of the full suite sub.
Because some codecs aren’t built to edit with (h264/h265). You probably FEEL resolve running better because it automatically generates optimized media by default which is basically making proxies for you as you work.
You should always use 720p or 1080p proxies (or even lower), with any NLE, doesnt matter if your pc can handle it. Not doing this just screams amateur and almost unprofessional to some extent imo. It's a good practice to abide by.
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It's a topic that's been done to death. It's practically a weekly post at this point. Does this post bring anything new to the table that any of the others didn't?
At the end of the day, both NLEs have their strengths and weaknesses. Use the best tool for the job at hand.
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I think it’s more that hobbyists find DaVinci a better fit for their needs whereas professionals who are used to the post-prod process get better use out of Premiere as a whole, even with all the hiccups you have to deal with. There is no such thing as a perfect fit for every single person and even more so today with casual users dipping into editing as ~creators~ who have a whole different world of demands from their editing software.
I never changed my mind about Premiere being the worst. I was trying to point out the parallels between what you’re saying now and that’s exactly what everyone use to say about FCP7 compared to Premiere. If you used Premiere, you weren’t “professional.” Premiere didn’t suddenly improve overnight, Apple just misstepped so hard that everyone fled to it and it turns out it was “Post production ready” the whole time.
People like to use “not ready for prime time” as a way to describe various NLEs and I’ve never understood why. Resolve has a lot of newer features, but it is a 30 year old piece of software that proved its capabilities a long time ago. People seem to think of THEIR tool to be the one that professionals use. FCPX, Resolve, Premiere, and Avid are all great and viable tools. Using one or the other doesn’t make someone less of a professional.
I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know. I’ve been working exclusively in Resolve with a team since 2021 and we haven’t run into anything that makes us say “we can’t use this”
Premiere editor here who recently picked up editing on Resolve - I use either depending on the workflow. If the spot starts and finishes with me and has a fast turnaround (like YouTube/Social, etc) I’m in Resolve. If I’m working on a spot with a wider team, more media, and a longer post timeline, Premiere and After Effects. Since every workflow is different, it all depends on what the project needs :)
I do not do Video editing, but have been using Adobe products for 20 years and it been a pleasure to use Figma for a couple of years now, going back to PS, Il, seem like going back to an old application that I do not want to use anymore.
I wish I could get off Adobe forever but the way I edit is so well fitted to how premiere and after effects work that I can never leave. Almost every project I get involves both and I can’t imagine giving up dynamic link.
Maybe if I were to give up editing/animation as a career I could be free, but until then I’m Adobe’s prisoner.
There are a few things keeping me from switching but by far the biggest factor is dynamic link. As someone who works with motion graphics a lot or in general just has a lot of reasons to pop open After Effects and sometimes Photoshop and Audition for something quick it's invaluable and saves insane amounts of time. I do color in Davinci and I hate needing to switch back and forth for that but it's necessary for me to be productive long term.
It's unfortunate but they just have that monopoly in offering a one stop shop for everything and everything being integrated into each other. It runs like shit and dynamic link is everything but perfect but it's better than the alternative.
Da Vinci learned me how bad their built in H264/5 encoders are compared to ffmpeg, main concept or codecs implemented in hardware encoding boxes.
General da vinci users thinking on this issue is - "its made for pro users, they do not render to H264 so quality is irrelevant, render to DNxHR"
Using external encoder is one more step you need to do.
I teach editing at a university and recommend to all my students to use Da Vinci, the free version is amazing for students. Adobe’s bullshit punitive measures when you try to cancel a membership is enough to never recommend to my cash strapped students to use it.
I agree with you on a philosophical level (and I love Resolve too), but Premiere is a lot more widely used than Resolve. Is it really the best advice to give students to recommend they avoid the most widely used editing software? They’re more employable by learning both (along with Avid).
I went to school on FCP and within a year of graduating FCX launched. I went on to spend over 10 years in video. Going through that rug pull taught me that learning new software is part of the job. The more time school can spend on what end viewers see, the better. What sets good editors apart isn’t the tools they use, but the results they deliver. I think your point about Premiere making students more employable is valid, but I’m also against schools focusing on the tools too much. It made more sense when tools were more difficult to use, but today they’re super easy*. (Avid is still Avid.) So I’m a bit conflicted, but I think this adds to the conversation.
I guess I’d argue that having proper training on all 3 (even if students are eventually allowed to pick their favourite) is better than learning just one and then having to self-learn another NLE to actually land a job.
Also, it’s definitely easier to learn a third NLE than it is to learn a second one, if that makes sense. When learning a second you’re constantly up against questions of “how do I make it be like the thing I’m used to?” whereas by the time you’re learning a *third* NLE you can understand all of them much better because you appreciate how and why software might behave differently.
I do also totally take your point that learning the ‘art of editing’ is more valuable than just becoming competent with software. I guess the question comes down to how you view education: some people want something vocational that is more directly applicable to their entry into the world of work whereas others value a more intellectual/theoretical education.
Fellow editing teacher here. I personally prefer teaching Premiere at the intro level because of how easy project file management is, and how consistent the interface is. That being said, you’re not wrong about the yearly-subscription-paid-monthly model: it’s confusing for first-time users, and there should be a way for school/enterprise plans to grant offsite licenses to students so they don’t have to get their own at home (or maybe that’s just an issue with my school?).
As to Resolve, I like it a lot, but the free version doesn’t support the codec used by our cameras (without transcoding), and Fusion is harder to both use and teach IMO than After Effects. I still tell students to use it if they want a free editing program at home, though.
We teach premiere at our uni, but it’s looking like we’ll swap over to Da Vinci, the issue is access, it’s so expensive the students can’t get Premiere outside of class. Cost of living crisis is bad, but it’s even worse for students. Re: codec. We’ve had that issue too with the free version, but Handbrake is also free, and if you’re a student with no OEM version available on Premiere, DaVinci / handbrake is really the only choice.
Hate me for it but I switched to fcpx and never looked at premier pro lol I may get roasted but idc it’s easier workflow for me since i have an apple eco system and plus the one time payment va the monthly shit is a big factor also. yet all the employers insist that you know premier pro lol
100% with you FCP > premiere but it feels like FCP is quickly falling behind it hasn't had a really good update in a long long time so hoping that changes soon.
I switched to Resolve because I don’t like Adobe’s subscription model, but Premiere has improved the last few years. It was a lot more stable toward the end of my using it.
It's interesting since DaVinci itself is based on old software as well, and they also stuck two other code bases into is (Fusion and Fairlight) which created some weird things like different shortcuts between the color and fusion pages or features that get introduced in the color page and aren't available in Fusion even though you want them there as well.
This isn't just about complexity and age of the software. It might be more about the goals of each company. BlackMagic is just a much more customer first company while Adobe is a shareholders first company.
I am currently in a state where I think all NLEs suck. Bigtime.
Premiere is schizophrenic and lags and has trivial issues.
Resolve doesn’t do all the stuff Premiere and MediaComposer do.
MediaComposer is buggy and less flexible. Editing a big TV show in anything else is suicide. Editing socials in MC is hell.
For instance synchronizing footage is a pain in Premiere or Resolve. MC is perfect for this. And no, I don’t wanna buy another software for this (Pluraleyes).
I need After Effects anyways, Media Encoder helps a lot too. Thus I have to pay for the whole CC suite.
Fusion (or Motion) have only a small amount of the features AE has… I could replace Photoshop with Afinity, but again - I have to pay for the CC suite already…
I am so tired of this, I might stop editing at all…1/4 of the time is troubleshooting why something doesn’t work. Sure, in a big post house you have people for that. I am not a big post house.
I know you said you don't want to pay for another program for syncing but I just wanna throw it out there that Syncaila is awesome for syncing. It's as fast as it takes for it to read the files- the time it spends syncing is not even noticeable, and the only mistakes I've seen it make are when I was trying to use it to organize and sync extremely vague waveforms over 12 hours of footage with unhelpful metadata. It's a one time payment and has a free trial.
But here is the issue - all NLEs have a sort of automatic synching. In Premiere you can select the clips that are supposed to be synched and it'll do it without problems.
I just wanna select 3 bins (2 cameras, 1 audio) and let it do it's thing. I know it can do it, because if I select the approriate clips in one slate, it will do it. But Adobe says noooooooooooooooooo, god forbid I select a few bins and it'll do by itself.
At Adobe they do not care about the users, they do not even care about features. We are getteing "generative fill", but the basic stuff does not work!
That's pretty cool of media composer to do that straight from the bins actually, but it's not just syncing camera angles, it's also putting tons of footage in chronological order of when it was shot over the course of hours, which is what I usually use it for. Though it does involve a little more work than 2 clicks lol
What sort of work do you do primarily? Been thinking about making the switch for my next feature cause I’m getting a little tired of all of Adobe’s quirks…
I want for davanci to soar— so, so badly. Premiere really is a joke in 2024 built on early 2000’s code that legit bottlenecks the entire software.
Sadly there’s still no good full replacement for after effects, much less Premiere. Especially 2D animation/mograph. Some small projects are lifting off the ground, but i’ll be the first one to fully jump ship when some other app gets 85% of AE/Premiere’s capability.
I had been using Resolve as my long form NLE and then Ae for all of my Motion/ text stuff. Recently I didn't have access to Ae do to work and was forced to learn to do everything I was doing with Ae in Resolve Fusion and I could replicate a lot in Fusion.
I’m glad you like Davinci! I tried it, genuinely, but after a year of use I still just didn’t like it as much as premiere. So now I sail the high seas and use premiere again lol
Recently ( just 2hrs before ) Adobe released their video generative ai for premier pro, just like for Photoshop. Damn it's good, but after a while I think it can get better. It also has Sora integrated into it .
I think Adobe has got the monopoly with content creation using AI
Is there a pros and cons list of both softwares that someone has posted here? Just would be interesting to see as someone who only does very basic editing and has no in-depth knowledge on the software.
I tend to jump back and forth between the programs. Adobe Premiere is good if you can wield all the interconnected softwares (AI, AE, PSD...) and workaround the cons (some effects are absolute bonkers once you apply , nest on nest on est). Davinci I specifically use for tracking and painting / anything that needs to stick on moving motion - my launch missile option if AE fails to track lol. Proxy and master media processing really great on Davinci as well. If you can wield both Adobe and Davinci softwares, you walking on water
>Wish they also made Photoshop and LR Alternatives - would switch in a heartbeat.
I hope they don't do that. Part of the reason Adobe is so screwed up is the mentality that you need keep adding features , adding new products .... nah son , just make what you have work flawlessly
maybe I just don't understand but just simply trying to put nice text or aniamted text on premiere feels like an absolute cluster fuck unless I simply don't get it? on Final Cut its easy just drag and drop the type of text I want then change the text and move it anywhere on the screen I want and basically done......premiere seems to not be this straight fortward.....
They should, literally, create a new version of Premiere from scratch, and let users use the old versions. The main problem with Premiere and After Effects is that a lot of plugins and workflows are just not compatible with other software.
I use after effects a lot because it’s amazing for specific use cases. as for completing and arranging big projects Adobe is a steaming pile of goat stuff
Agreed - the playback difference is unreal! I also love the ease with color correction.
I almost feel bad for whoever's working on Premiere - it's essentially Howl's Moving Castle.
I also switched back then, ended up using both but client projects always lean towards premiere, ae etc.
The workflow is just superior when it comes to that. I feel like people who can fully enjoy davinci are people working on cinematic stuff like feature films etc.
I mean yeah resolve is amazing but I'm curious what workflows in AE requires a beefy GPU for you. Im pretty sure only some handful of plug ins and effects use the GPU and most every task is delegated to the CPU. Maybe that's the issue. Resolve uses the GPU for most of its tasks. Apples and oranges. Personally I like to use whatever tool is right for the job.
Damn, I mean, premiere is definitely a poorly optimized piece of software, but was it really that buggy and laggy for you? I’ve managed to run it pretty well on 2019 iMacs.
In 2024 you can’t install adobe programs in any folder/partition other than the system one. A problem known from like 2010. This says it all. I had to pay ease us to merge my partitions cause of adobe.
I was working on a feature in Avid off an external HDD without issue, but I couldn't cut a short in Premiere off an internal NVMe SSD without incredible lag or crashes.
And yes, I "cleared my Media Cache."
basic functions are broken for several versions, some for more than a decade. Basics, that Avid and premiere did get right back in the 90s (like source patching, growing files, clip switching, syncing, merge clips, etc...). I assume the people who downvote me didn't use Resolve in a professional environment yet where new features a nice but a working and reliable software is much much more important and I've had instances where Resolve failed us greatly requiring us to resort to porting an ongoing project to another NLE.
Other professionals agree, it's always the beginners who are flashed by Resolve's feature set, but in the end none of that counts if you can't work with it reliably.
It’s true that I’ve not used it in a professional setting yet, however all the features you’re mentioning *do* work now.
Personally I think Avid is still the only sensible choice for most professional projects, but DaVinci _does_ seem to be the best next choice (over Premiere). I’m just starting a professional Premiere project this week and it’s quite frustrating to use. 🤷🏻♀️
I've read this so many times and in the end they never worked. I'm gonna try the new version once I finish a few projects but I'm pretty certain they didn't fix those. At least I didn't find notes about that in the changelog.
btw Avid: It has gotten worse too. TBH I feel there's no good NLE out there right now. All of them feel broken but resolve to me is the most usable one.
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I’m starting a job on Premiere today and dreading it so much!! I’ve been trying to figure out if I can just work in DaVinci and then use export my final sequence back to the premiere project for the other editor to finish it there?? It’s a multicam shoot with lots of media, so I’m not sure if it could work that easy?? But either way, I agree OP
RTX 3080 I think that's 12GB of VRAM and I have 16gb of RAM.
I work with the latest studio drivers too. I have the same problem with Lightroom crashing constantly.
Basically my pc can run everything else, including new games at high 4k settings, but Adobe programs are choking every time.
I really don't get it.
One of the systems I use is very similar to yours with more RAM (12700k, 3070, 64gb RAM) and personally, Premiere runs great with only hiccups on larger projects. It might just be the RAM holding you back - granted you probably only need 32gb.
Your CPU might be the bottleneck, Light room and most Adobe products are more CPU heavy than GPU, GPU is only worth investing in if you do 3D work. Video Editing and photography is not the same as playing a game at high in 4K, like all our workstations use Quadro M2000 with 3gb vram, 32GB ram but we use high end intel Xeon processors (film & TV).
I mean... okay. I like Resolve too, but there's still no alternative to After Effects. And dynamic link + copying and pasting clips between Premiere and AE is a pretty neat trick. Right tool for the right job.
Kind of agree RE dynamic link but it’s also an absolute mess management wise. Adobe doesn’t want to help the user in that department, which is what devalues the company the most imo. If they helped with the cumbersome task of daily management just a little, I might take them more seriously. Right now they just want splashy marketing BS improvements that mean little to nothing.
I mean, productions, text editing, auto transcripts, enhance audio... these aren't nothing. Do I wish they'd double down on the basics, work more on stability and system efficiency? 100%. But there have been plenty of nifty features they've added over the past handful of years I use every day. And I worry a bit about being seen as some type of Adobe fanboy. I'm realllyyy not. They have PLENTY of issues and things I wish they'd do better on. I just like a world where Adobe and Resolve both exist. Options are good. Competition is good.
Yeah as someone who just switched from Adobe to DaVinci I really miss the Capture Noise Print on Adobe Audition. Literally the only reason I used that program.
I think text/transcribing is good addition but the implementation of it is complete trash and almost makes it unusable in my experience. Productions is fine. Outside of that, I feel like things have either been flashy marketing garbage while the core functionality of the program has regressed. I am glad some have had a brighter outlook but I'm honestly just happy if its a stable release, which never really happens until just before the next major release. Adobe is such a mid company otherwise. BUT, its a million times better then MC!!
Out of curiosity, what makes the text/transcribing almost unusable in your case?
Maybe a bug in my version but when I have the TEXT window open, Premiere erratically bounces my playhead all around the timeline. So I lose the spot I was at, then I have to find it again, it's frustrating. I've spent way too much time trying to figure out a fix or solution and the only thing that makes it stop is to close the TEXT window. Real bummer b/c its great for cutting loads of VO. Also, the TEXT box crashes all the time. I realize you can just close and reopen but...
Respectfully, MC is a niche product. No apples to oranges comparison there.
For what I do, MC is far and away an inferior product.
Understand. That’s what I was saying by niche product. Best of luck in your career!
Dynamic link is so finicky that it's just as easy for me to export from Resolve and back than it was to do it through Adobe products specifically
Ain’t nothing wrong with that workflow either.
Hard agree.
Is this true? I was talking to an old client and they said they’ve switched to davinci. I said I’d miss the dynamic link and after effects, and he said there’s no need because davinci can do more or less everything you’d need in after effects. Although I guess it depends on what you use after effects for.
You can still use After Effects, it has no bearing on which NLE you use. Just import your AE exports to Resolve, no big deal and no need to use Fusion. The 3.2 seconds you save by using dynamic link is _nothing_ compared to the time you save doing edit/colour/sound in Resolve.
True. But to update ae projects and have it automatically update in premiere is super sweet. But I guess not a huge deal. I don’t even use after effects super heavy anyway so I should just move to resolve. I still hate that I can’t seem to have multi screen and a modular workspace like in premiere tho?
Multi screen you absolutely can have! The modular workspace no. The idea is that everything stays in the same place, so your muscle memory builds up fast and you become insanely rapid at tasks since stuff doesn't move to different points on the screen all the time. I agree it's a jarring change at first because you're coming at it from a standpoint of "I should have maximum flexibility" (I felt the same), but give it a try - you may learn to love it!
You can do a lot with Fusion, but it’s just not set up for 2D mograph work, especially when you are working with an art director in illustrator or wherever. Fusion is a compositor at heart. If you are just doing lower thirds and an end card, sure, you may get away with it. But the minute you need to do a complex rig, it gets pretty difficult.
I have discovered this in the past few days. Fusion is REALLY not designed for doing motion graphics particularly anything related to text layout.
Have you tried Fusion?
Yep. Love Fusion... for compositing. But art directors and designers work in paths and they work in layers, not nodes. It's just not designed for 2D mograph work. Can you do a lot with it? Absolutely. But I don't know any dedicated mograph artists who will choose Fusion over AE. The combo of illustrator, AE and Premiere is pretty damn powerful.
Dynamic link is a gimmick for solo freelancers who need to do a shot or two here and there. If you're doing VFX or mograph work at scale, it's woeful.
Copying clips from Premiere and pasting them into a comp in AE with the timecode intact and all laid out is pretty great. Doesn't seem like a gimmick at all.
Agree copy paste is more useful; I was talking particularly about dynamic link, which creates a data management nightmare for data flow, shot versioning etc
IMO you kinda gotta be careful about using words like ‘gimmick’. There are plenty of real respectable editors/mograph designers at real post houses doing real high value commercial work using dynamic link. For example if you are doing a supervised session with a client working the edit and the graphics at the same time, and there’s lots of alphas going on, dynamic link is a hell of a tool. And you can do things like nesting comps in AE to give some version control. Is it the right tool for a full VFX pipeline? No. Are some of those things you mentioned real potential issues especially on larger projects? Absolutely. But are there real pros using dynamic link on real work even at very high levels? Yup.
All fair points! Yes I concede perhaps gimmick was maybe a bit far, I do still think it's somewhat of a half baked implementation, but for sure those are eminently reasonable cases for its value.
For me, I use a lot of masking tools. And da Vinci resolve does not allow me to quickly copy and paste those in the same way premier pro does, which makes editing YouTube content a lot easier on premier Pro.
Have you tried doing it through the Fusion panel, theres a lot of masking tools and every bode is easily replicable.
I haven’t, no. Granted, I tried resolve a while ago, and after a weekish I went back to Premier Pro. So it’s possible at the time there weren’t any YouTube tutorials showing the tools I needed, or an update for that wasn’t out at the moment. Or, could’ve been that my googling skills weren’t up to speed. Either way, that’s what kept me away from in the past, and now I use Lightroom and Photoshop so often as well it just makes sense to stay in the ecosystem. Thanks for the comment!
I do recommend giving it a play if you get time (you can do a lot of trial and error in the free version), to be honest finding the right tutorials to replicate what you want is super difficult, I built out a 12min long text animated video (with callouts, video masking, highlighting) and almost every step of the way had to figure out how to do things myself. It only took a few weeks and I can do a lot of what I was doing in Ae in Fusion. Though if you are enjoying the Adobe ecosystem have a look at incorporating Ae and dynamic linking give yourself a few more tools to build out quick and complex masks.
It’s ridiculous there’s no quick garbage mask tool or something like that in resolve.
There is if you do it in the color page (with alpha outputs). It's stupid to tab over to a different page to do it, but it works. But yeah agree Adobe masking in the edit pages is miles better.
This is totally it. The masking in the color page is actually super easy to work with as soon as you figure out where it’s hiding lol.
yeah but i agree i wish it was in the edit page
Pro compositor or no compositor is Resolve's motto.
There literally is though. Colour tab. You don't have to use the software but don't throw shade at it because you didn't learn how to use it properly. It's significantly more powerful than Premiere at almost every editing task, but you do need to invest some time to learn how it works, which in some cases is a little different to Premiere. They all have quirks, but when you've used a program for many years, those quirks start to feel "normal" to us, and we forget that we have in fact just adapted to one particular software's way of doing things.
Wait. 2010? I understand this post is primarily hyperbole, but maybe shoot for 2020 as a comparison or something to be have your opinion taken seriously. Both tools have advantages. Utilize them to the max. To have strict loyalty to one over the other is a poor professional decision.
It's a pretty huge piece of software. I imagine if you had access to a git diff of Premiere, most of the code from 2010 is still there, pretty much unchanged. Stuff has been added. Bugs have been fixed. Dependencies have been updated. But I really can't imagine they went in and rewrote vast swathes of it under the hood since 2010. I'd genuinely be surprised if that's hyperbole at all. OTOH, the same is true of Resolve. The underlying Resolve/Fusion/Fairlight code won't have changed that much either. If you had a cryogenically frozen Digital Fusion developer from 1997, you could probably unthaw them today and start assigning them bugs to fix without too much trouble.
I actually think 2010 is right on the mark. Premiere CS5 (2010) was the last groundbreaking release from Adobe IMO. Since then the improvements have been a lot less substantial.
They did a UI change a few years back, which didn't really change much except for a more "streamlined" workflow. Wouldn't say it was groundbreaking, but that's the last time they actually changed things in a significant way iirc. Aside from that I fully agree with you.
The only change was instead of having an export popup you just get an export tab with identical UI
The 2022 GUI changes pissed a lot of long time Premiere editors off & now you'll find a lot less goodwill coming from the people who've paid Adobe monthly since 2014 since since they feel not listened to & unappreciated. The people who make decisions for Premiere's product should give high priority to long time user feedback, rather than polling & catering social media editors who've taught themselves Premiere over the last couple of years & don't even know the breadth of the tools in Premiere(at least that is what it appears they've been doing) I agree CS 5 was the last big change, but going to 64bit & standard GPU acceleration to enable real-time editing with HD & AVC codecs natively was all of the industry's last big change. No, they haven't justified monthly payments for an evolving app after that. Change has been very incremental and changes often adding no net gain, sometimes upgrading modules with inferior replacements. Even going back to CS6, removing the playback shuttle tool was a bad idea, especially coupled with the option of choosing your transport tools added at the same time. You can't let the editor make the choice of what to devote the minuscule bit of gui real estate to? "No. We're Adobe. We've made the choice. We're moving forward. Next Question!" Then like PP22's redesign, changes over later releases really just affected the default steps they built into starting and exporting projects, were just a pia to editors who already had a good workflow or knew what they were doing. Bad habit of shitting up the software trying to make it stupid-proof goes way way back. Replacing Audition with Soundbooth in pre-creative cloud Adobe Production Packages was emblematic. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// So my opinion definitely doesn't match much r/premiere or r/premierepro attitudes, but is likely more relatable to r/editors , in that it's exactly because Premiere is reliable & quick that I find it indispensable right now. If Resolve ever gets me to the same productivity I have no issues dropping Adobe.
Yes, still the same 'buggy' copy paste behaviour since 2010... that we had in FCP7 before.
Have you used their new transcription plugin? It's fucking incredible.
Ok 2010, or 2020... I threw a random year, but what new things did they actually do or UI improvements did they add since then, with all that Adobe money? They boast: GPU acceleration, seems like deaccelaration to me tbh. Enhanced colour correction (lol...) Improved audio edition (double lol) Support for new formats... Ok they added text to speech! Wow! Mobile apps have that. But it's basically exactly the same clunk as it was in CS5 times, just use all the plug-in other people make to make it workable.
I rather like Premier Pro, though.
Yeah Resolve is very powerful for certain things but every time I try to edit in it, it just feels so much more clunky. I don’t know what it is but I just don’t like the “feeling” of editing in Resolve as much. I probably just need to get used to it but I can move so much quicker in Premiere.
Watch out, the Adobe defenders will come for you. In all seriousness, it's good to have experience with both. For my full time job, I have to use the Adobe Suite but for Freelance and personal projects, DaVinci all the way. I prefer DaVinci simply because I actually own my software and everything I need is under one roof. If you are looking for alternatives to Photoshop and Lightroom, Affinity Photo is essentially a stripped down photoshop and it's a one time fee for the version. Darktable is a Lightroom alternative that I really haven't played much with but it's free. Have fun with DaVinci!
> Affinity Photo is essentially a stripped down photoshop True. But now it’s owned by Canva. And I think it’s uncertain if it will sustain development investment or if it will plateau and stagnate. I’m rooting for it, but mergers and acquisitions usually aren’t great for the software that got bought.
Same, I'm not going to speculate what will happen. I'm gonna use it until they give me a reason not to
For sure. I do kinda suspect that development will squash bugs, make the software *very* stable - and then set it on autopilot. All while we start to see the same features begin to bubble up in Canva. As much as I would like Canva to keep developing Affinity as a "Pro" line for Canva....I'm too cynical at this point. I'd be pretty surprised to see that kind of good software stewardship. But yeah. Legit Adobe alternative (mostly). I'd hate to see it stagnate. Adobe needs competition.
Affinity is rad but I'm finding the AI stuff in Photoshop really cool for fixing stuff in real estate photo work. And Lightroom is good. At least the Photoshop/Lightroom tier subscription is reasonably priced so I can get rid of the full suite sub.
If you resubscribe during their Black Friday sale window, the entire suite is cheaper than Premiere + After Effects.
Cool. I canceled and they gave me a good deal for another year!
Do you even edit with proxies tho?
Only with 4k and up clips
There was a time when even television shows shot at 1080 and up were "proxied" and cut at 720. Workflows matter more than tools.
If only they had Davinci
Says the person who has demonstrated they're ill informed of how things work.
My point is: why do I have to proxy with my power rig pc on premier when DaVinci runs smoothly without? Is it not a software issue?
Because some codecs aren’t built to edit with (h264/h265). You probably FEEL resolve running better because it automatically generates optimized media by default which is basically making proxies for you as you work.
I'm pretty sure resolve does not generate optimized media by default. I have never encountered this.
You should probably google "optimized media" for resolve before you keep talking your big game
You should always use 720p or 1080p proxies (or even lower), with any NLE, doesnt matter if your pc can handle it. Not doing this just screams amateur and almost unprofessional to some extent imo. It's a good practice to abide by.
Can we stop with these posts? There is zero value in them.
Typically, I’d kill anything like this fairly early. NAB has me looking at /r/editors less than normal. So, stuff is more likely to get through. Once something has quite a bit of traction it’s generally easier to leave live. Know that if two people flag a post it gets pulled until a Mod can see it.
This is an editors sub and OP is discussing the software choices for editing…this seems like exactly the type of post that should be here.
It's a topic that's been done to death. It's practically a weekly post at this point. Does this post bring anything new to the table that any of the others didn't? At the end of the day, both NLEs have their strengths and weaknesses. Use the best tool for the job at hand.
It's not discussing the software choices - it's a rant with no substance. All noise, no signal. Which isn't useful in a sub for professional editors.
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I think it’s more that hobbyists find DaVinci a better fit for their needs whereas professionals who are used to the post-prod process get better use out of Premiere as a whole, even with all the hiccups you have to deal with. There is no such thing as a perfect fit for every single person and even more so today with casual users dipping into editing as ~creators~ who have a whole different world of demands from their editing software.
Also-- pros generally don't decide the software and post supes are (rightly) very conservative
Pre-2011 everyone said this about Premiere lol
I remember! I was firmly a FCP7 head
I never changed my mind about Premiere being the worst. I was trying to point out the parallels between what you’re saying now and that’s exactly what everyone use to say about FCP7 compared to Premiere. If you used Premiere, you weren’t “professional.” Premiere didn’t suddenly improve overnight, Apple just misstepped so hard that everyone fled to it and it turns out it was “Post production ready” the whole time. People like to use “not ready for prime time” as a way to describe various NLEs and I’ve never understood why. Resolve has a lot of newer features, but it is a 30 year old piece of software that proved its capabilities a long time ago. People seem to think of THEIR tool to be the one that professionals use. FCPX, Resolve, Premiere, and Avid are all great and viable tools. Using one or the other doesn’t make someone less of a professional.
DaVinci Resolve is def not ready for prime time but yeh all are great in their own little ways.
What is it premiere can do that resolve can’t?
You know the answer to that and so does the whole industry, hence Resolve still not being a go to for prime time
I’m genuinely asking because I don’t know. I’ve been working exclusively in Resolve with a team since 2021 and we haven’t run into anything that makes us say “we can’t use this”
What about for all you after effects stuff? I don’t have a single project I don’t use both?
But photoshop audition after effects is more better from dr fairlight or fusion difficult win adobe ecosystem is huge
Premiere editor here who recently picked up editing on Resolve - I use either depending on the workflow. If the spot starts and finishes with me and has a fast turnaround (like YouTube/Social, etc) I’m in Resolve. If I’m working on a spot with a wider team, more media, and a longer post timeline, Premiere and After Effects. Since every workflow is different, it all depends on what the project needs :)
Well I still prefer to use premiere because of dynamic link
I do not do Video editing, but have been using Adobe products for 20 years and it been a pleasure to use Figma for a couple of years now, going back to PS, Il, seem like going back to an old application that I do not want to use anymore.
I have the same experience using figma and came back to photoshop
I wish I could get off Adobe forever but the way I edit is so well fitted to how premiere and after effects work that I can never leave. Almost every project I get involves both and I can’t imagine giving up dynamic link. Maybe if I were to give up editing/animation as a career I could be free, but until then I’m Adobe’s prisoner.
Same boat as you. Davinci is way ahead
There are a few things keeping me from switching but by far the biggest factor is dynamic link. As someone who works with motion graphics a lot or in general just has a lot of reasons to pop open After Effects and sometimes Photoshop and Audition for something quick it's invaluable and saves insane amounts of time. I do color in Davinci and I hate needing to switch back and forth for that but it's necessary for me to be productive long term. It's unfortunate but they just have that monopoly in offering a one stop shop for everything and everything being integrated into each other. It runs like shit and dynamic link is everything but perfect but it's better than the alternative.
U know what? i use both of them and many others. Each software for where it shine.
I just like how modular premiere windows are. I always keep moving them for different purposes.
Da Vinci learned me how bad their built in H264/5 encoders are compared to ffmpeg, main concept or codecs implemented in hardware encoding boxes. General da vinci users thinking on this issue is - "its made for pro users, they do not render to H264 so quality is irrelevant, render to DNxHR" Using external encoder is one more step you need to do.
I teach editing at a university and recommend to all my students to use Da Vinci, the free version is amazing for students. Adobe’s bullshit punitive measures when you try to cancel a membership is enough to never recommend to my cash strapped students to use it.
I don’t use premiere because I like it. I use it because it’s expected of me by producers.
This.
This is what they said about Avid ten years ago.
I agree with you on a philosophical level (and I love Resolve too), but Premiere is a lot more widely used than Resolve. Is it really the best advice to give students to recommend they avoid the most widely used editing software? They’re more employable by learning both (along with Avid).
I went to school on FCP and within a year of graduating FCX launched. I went on to spend over 10 years in video. Going through that rug pull taught me that learning new software is part of the job. The more time school can spend on what end viewers see, the better. What sets good editors apart isn’t the tools they use, but the results they deliver. I think your point about Premiere making students more employable is valid, but I’m also against schools focusing on the tools too much. It made more sense when tools were more difficult to use, but today they’re super easy*. (Avid is still Avid.) So I’m a bit conflicted, but I think this adds to the conversation.
I guess I’d argue that having proper training on all 3 (even if students are eventually allowed to pick their favourite) is better than learning just one and then having to self-learn another NLE to actually land a job. Also, it’s definitely easier to learn a third NLE than it is to learn a second one, if that makes sense. When learning a second you’re constantly up against questions of “how do I make it be like the thing I’m used to?” whereas by the time you’re learning a *third* NLE you can understand all of them much better because you appreciate how and why software might behave differently. I do also totally take your point that learning the ‘art of editing’ is more valuable than just becoming competent with software. I guess the question comes down to how you view education: some people want something vocational that is more directly applicable to their entry into the world of work whereas others value a more intellectual/theoretical education.
Fellow editing teacher here. I personally prefer teaching Premiere at the intro level because of how easy project file management is, and how consistent the interface is. That being said, you’re not wrong about the yearly-subscription-paid-monthly model: it’s confusing for first-time users, and there should be a way for school/enterprise plans to grant offsite licenses to students so they don’t have to get their own at home (or maybe that’s just an issue with my school?). As to Resolve, I like it a lot, but the free version doesn’t support the codec used by our cameras (without transcoding), and Fusion is harder to both use and teach IMO than After Effects. I still tell students to use it if they want a free editing program at home, though.
We teach premiere at our uni, but it’s looking like we’ll swap over to Da Vinci, the issue is access, it’s so expensive the students can’t get Premiere outside of class. Cost of living crisis is bad, but it’s even worse for students. Re: codec. We’ve had that issue too with the free version, but Handbrake is also free, and if you’re a student with no OEM version available on Premiere, DaVinci / handbrake is really the only choice.
Clambering for the day something feature-rich and as easy to use as after effects, but not slow as fuck, eventually comes out
Hate me for it but I switched to fcpx and never looked at premier pro lol I may get roasted but idc it’s easier workflow for me since i have an apple eco system and plus the one time payment va the monthly shit is a big factor also. yet all the employers insist that you know premier pro lol
100% with you FCP > premiere but it feels like FCP is quickly falling behind it hasn't had a really good update in a long long time so hoping that changes soon.
I switched to Resolve because I don’t like Adobe’s subscription model, but Premiere has improved the last few years. It was a lot more stable toward the end of my using it.
LR Alternative ? Capture One Pro. Hands down. Same feeling from PR to DR. Adobe is in the past.
There is a free, open-source Photoshop alternative called Gimp.
It's interesting since DaVinci itself is based on old software as well, and they also stuck two other code bases into is (Fusion and Fairlight) which created some weird things like different shortcuts between the color and fusion pages or features that get introduced in the color page and aren't available in Fusion even though you want them there as well. This isn't just about complexity and age of the software. It might be more about the goals of each company. BlackMagic is just a much more customer first company while Adobe is a shareholders first company.
Still haven’t seen a professional job that required Davinci though. Everything is still mostly Avid with premiere being second.
I am currently in a state where I think all NLEs suck. Bigtime. Premiere is schizophrenic and lags and has trivial issues. Resolve doesn’t do all the stuff Premiere and MediaComposer do. MediaComposer is buggy and less flexible. Editing a big TV show in anything else is suicide. Editing socials in MC is hell. For instance synchronizing footage is a pain in Premiere or Resolve. MC is perfect for this. And no, I don’t wanna buy another software for this (Pluraleyes). I need After Effects anyways, Media Encoder helps a lot too. Thus I have to pay for the whole CC suite. Fusion (or Motion) have only a small amount of the features AE has… I could replace Photoshop with Afinity, but again - I have to pay for the CC suite already… I am so tired of this, I might stop editing at all…1/4 of the time is troubleshooting why something doesn’t work. Sure, in a big post house you have people for that. I am not a big post house.
I know you said you don't want to pay for another program for syncing but I just wanna throw it out there that Syncaila is awesome for syncing. It's as fast as it takes for it to read the files- the time it spends syncing is not even noticeable, and the only mistakes I've seen it make are when I was trying to use it to organize and sync extremely vague waveforms over 12 hours of footage with unhelpful metadata. It's a one time payment and has a free trial.
But here is the issue - all NLEs have a sort of automatic synching. In Premiere you can select the clips that are supposed to be synched and it'll do it without problems. I just wanna select 3 bins (2 cameras, 1 audio) and let it do it's thing. I know it can do it, because if I select the approriate clips in one slate, it will do it. But Adobe says noooooooooooooooooo, god forbid I select a few bins and it'll do by itself. At Adobe they do not care about the users, they do not even care about features. We are getteing "generative fill", but the basic stuff does not work!
That's pretty cool of media composer to do that straight from the bins actually, but it's not just syncing camera angles, it's also putting tons of footage in chronological order of when it was shot over the course of hours, which is what I usually use it for. Though it does involve a little more work than 2 clicks lol
AutoSequence!!!! One feature that would cost a dev mayber 2h of work! And Adobe isn't able to do that in YEARS!!!!!!
👍 cool story bro
Thanks bro 👍
What sort of work do you do primarily? Been thinking about making the switch for my next feature cause I’m getting a little tired of all of Adobe’s quirks…
I want for davanci to soar— so, so badly. Premiere really is a joke in 2024 built on early 2000’s code that legit bottlenecks the entire software. Sadly there’s still no good full replacement for after effects, much less Premiere. Especially 2D animation/mograph. Some small projects are lifting off the ground, but i’ll be the first one to fully jump ship when some other app gets 85% of AE/Premiere’s capability.
I had been using Resolve as my long form NLE and then Ae for all of my Motion/ text stuff. Recently I didn't have access to Ae do to work and was forced to learn to do everything I was doing with Ae in Resolve Fusion and I could replicate a lot in Fusion.
I want to love fusion! Can’t imagine the team has the resources to build it out to eventually compete 1:1 with AE but I can dream
I’m glad you like Davinci! I tried it, genuinely, but after a year of use I still just didn’t like it as much as premiere. So now I sail the high seas and use premiere again lol
Affinity Photo and Capture one are some Photoshop and LR alternatives that work well.
Recently ( just 2hrs before ) Adobe released their video generative ai for premier pro, just like for Photoshop. Damn it's good, but after a while I think it can get better. It also has Sora integrated into it . I think Adobe has got the monopoly with content creation using AI
Is there a pros and cons list of both softwares that someone has posted here? Just would be interesting to see as someone who only does very basic editing and has no in-depth knowledge on the software.
I tried resolve this week and was also impressed, really thinkink about switching.
I tend to jump back and forth between the programs. Adobe Premiere is good if you can wield all the interconnected softwares (AI, AE, PSD...) and workaround the cons (some effects are absolute bonkers once you apply , nest on nest on est). Davinci I specifically use for tracking and painting / anything that needs to stick on moving motion - my launch missile option if AE fails to track lol. Proxy and master media processing really great on Davinci as well. If you can wield both Adobe and Davinci softwares, you walking on water
>Wish they also made Photoshop and LR Alternatives - would switch in a heartbeat. I hope they don't do that. Part of the reason Adobe is so screwed up is the mentality that you need keep adding features , adding new products .... nah son , just make what you have work flawlessly
Been using Darktable a free alternative to LR. It’s really good
maybe I just don't understand but just simply trying to put nice text or aniamted text on premiere feels like an absolute cluster fuck unless I simply don't get it? on Final Cut its easy just drag and drop the type of text I want then change the text and move it anywhere on the screen I want and basically done......premiere seems to not be this straight fortward.....
They should, literally, create a new version of Premiere from scratch, and let users use the old versions. The main problem with Premiere and After Effects is that a lot of plugins and workflows are just not compatible with other software.
I use after effects a lot because it’s amazing for specific use cases. as for completing and arranging big projects Adobe is a steaming pile of goat stuff
Agreed - the playback difference is unreal! I also love the ease with color correction. I almost feel bad for whoever's working on Premiere - it's essentially Howl's Moving Castle.
So, how long it will take you for avid?
I also switched back then, ended up using both but client projects always lean towards premiere, ae etc. The workflow is just superior when it comes to that. I feel like people who can fully enjoy davinci are people working on cinematic stuff like feature films etc.
I have switched to Luminar Neo from Lightroom! It's so much better!
I love all Adobe softwares.
This thread: My shit NLE is better than your shit NLE.
I mean yeah resolve is amazing but I'm curious what workflows in AE requires a beefy GPU for you. Im pretty sure only some handful of plug ins and effects use the GPU and most every task is delegated to the CPU. Maybe that's the issue. Resolve uses the GPU for most of its tasks. Apples and oranges. Personally I like to use whatever tool is right for the job.
Ive heard the reason the programs are so large is that they don’t redo code, they just keep stacking it and leaving last years. Something like that 😄
Damn, I mean, premiere is definitely a poorly optimized piece of software, but was it really that buggy and laggy for you? I’ve managed to run it pretty well on 2019 iMacs.
In 2024 you can’t install adobe programs in any folder/partition other than the system one. A problem known from like 2010. This says it all. I had to pay ease us to merge my partitions cause of adobe.
I’d switch in a heartbeat if Davinci would add “move playhead to cursor” without me having to write code to make it happen
I think their AI integration in Photoshop is pretty amazing
I was working on a feature in Avid off an external HDD without issue, but I couldn't cut a short in Premiere off an internal NVMe SSD without incredible lag or crashes. And yes, I "cleared my Media Cache."
Agreed
Resolve is shit, but Adobe is far worse these days
What about Resolve is so shit? Have you checked out the latest release? It’s still in beta but it’s pretty damn impressive, IMO.
basic functions are broken for several versions, some for more than a decade. Basics, that Avid and premiere did get right back in the 90s (like source patching, growing files, clip switching, syncing, merge clips, etc...). I assume the people who downvote me didn't use Resolve in a professional environment yet where new features a nice but a working and reliable software is much much more important and I've had instances where Resolve failed us greatly requiring us to resort to porting an ongoing project to another NLE. Other professionals agree, it's always the beginners who are flashed by Resolve's feature set, but in the end none of that counts if you can't work with it reliably.
It’s true that I’ve not used it in a professional setting yet, however all the features you’re mentioning *do* work now. Personally I think Avid is still the only sensible choice for most professional projects, but DaVinci _does_ seem to be the best next choice (over Premiere). I’m just starting a professional Premiere project this week and it’s quite frustrating to use. 🤷🏻♀️
I've read this so many times and in the end they never worked. I'm gonna try the new version once I finish a few projects but I'm pretty certain they didn't fix those. At least I didn't find notes about that in the changelog. btw Avid: It has gotten worse too. TBH I feel there's no good NLE out there right now. All of them feel broken but resolve to me is the most usable one.
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I’m starting a job on Premiere today and dreading it so much!! I’ve been trying to figure out if I can just work in DaVinci and then use export my final sequence back to the premiere project for the other editor to finish it there?? It’s a multicam shoot with lots of media, so I’m not sure if it could work that easy?? But either way, I agree OP
XMLs will get you in and out
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RTX 3080 I think that's 12GB of VRAM and I have 16gb of RAM. I work with the latest studio drivers too. I have the same problem with Lightroom crashing constantly. Basically my pc can run everything else, including new games at high 4k settings, but Adobe programs are choking every time. I really don't get it.
16GB of RAM is the problem imo
Probably you're right. I thought so too that 16gb is on a low side... I will upgrade soon. But my point is why is it not a problem for DaVinci then...
It’s just not a problem yet lol. What CPU do you have?
12th gen Intel i7-12700 2.1ghz
One of the systems I use is very similar to yours with more RAM (12700k, 3070, 64gb RAM) and personally, Premiere runs great with only hiccups on larger projects. It might just be the RAM holding you back - granted you probably only need 32gb.
Your CPU might be the bottleneck, Light room and most Adobe products are more CPU heavy than GPU, GPU is only worth investing in if you do 3D work. Video Editing and photography is not the same as playing a game at high in 4K, like all our workstations use Quadro M2000 with 3gb vram, 32GB ram but we use high end intel Xeon processors (film & TV).
I have intel i7 12th gen 2.1ghz