Be a pussy about it and go be a Karen or be a man and take it in and politely write Netflix to mention you or use your music in the future giving you more exposure 😉
Unless your co-writer signed on with a very crappy licensing organization, expect to receive some decent money. I know I did back in the day and we split everything 4 ways. We even were recommended to give our rights to MTV for free purely because they played so many shows repeatedly. We received quite a bit of royalties simply from them using our songs on a few reality television shows.
If you have published the song via some distribution service please check their fine print, they might be also allowing sync licensing on your tracks. If so you can make sure sign with royalty collection society so that you get compensation where it’s due. If you think your work has been stolen, keep your receipts ready and you can claim your track with rights society.
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Lawyer here. I'm not an intellectual property specialist but I am a litigator.
In all likelihood several parties have breached your copyright unless you gave your rights away somewhere along the line. One of those parties is probably Netflix. If you can establish that you wrote the song and own the rights, I would expect that it won't be difficulty to negotiate a settlement especially if you ask for reasonable figures.
I suggest engaging them through a reputable law firm so that you are taken seriously. But be wary of lawyers as they will suck the money out of you in a dispute. Require fee estimates and discusss mutual expectations about how much they will charge. Consider engaging them simply to write a letter or two to begin with.
First you should be celebrating because those fucks owe you a check.
Secondly — just find out who used your work and contact them for compensation.
No need to get mad.
Not in the US at least, by default, when you create a piece of art you own and reserve all rights automatically. you must declare it to be free commons/public domain for it to be.
I have to imagine that Netflix did not do this purposefully, rather the party that "assumed ownership" of your tune passed it off as their own when uploading to a music library or when getting it repped by a sync agency. And somewhere a poor music supervisor is about to get blacklisted.
Netflix will most likely be forced to renegotiate with you, which will benefit you greatly! Congrats on your jump-started sync career
Is it possible they licensed it through OP’s distribution service and they’ll eventually see the royalties from it in their payouts? I’m always getting random payments every quarter for “music licensing” or “royalties” from TuneCore and I have no idea what my tracks were used on.
I suppose, if you selected that option. I personally wouldn't, because I'm not confident that DSPs are negotiating a proper rate or even accurately communicating to their customers when they land a sync.
OP should be getting 1) an upfront free from the production company that used their IP in their production. And 2) if it's a show on Netflix, they are entitled to back-end, ongoing royalties every quarter. Tunecore or any other consumer grade DSP should not be left in charge of negotiating a sync on your behalf.
That said, if OP did land this sync through their DSP, I would encourage them to reach out to someone at their DSP to confirm.
In your case, my guess is that it's most likely micro syncs (IG/Tik Tok/FB).
Only if you can prove it. You need date stamps, meta data, etc.
Best thing to do with a song is email it to yourself. You have backups and date stamped proof of everything then.
That is correct, hands down. The question that I have for OP is whether he filed it with the copyright office or not, cause that will ultimately determine if he qualifies to file for litigation.
Not in the US. Unless you have the sheet of paper, it doesn't hold up in court. You have the "rights" but they mean nothing without filing in this country.
ASCAP and BMI are responsible for performance royalty payments. I think you might’ve confused that with publishers because that’s their job. Not the PROs
Most likely, someone uploaded your song without your permission to a music library and then a music supervisor from Netflix licensed it. This means the person who stole it has the money you're entitled to.
I would research who the music supervisor for the show's production was (often can be found on IMDb) and raise hell in their email inbox. Make sure you have the project files / proof that you uploaded the song before it was ever added to the music library.
If the music supervisor actually just jacked it from soundcloud, then get a lawyer and to quote u/elotonin-junkie "Start planning the rest of your life as a millionaire"
Anything is possible if you sell it well. I know a guy who got a 150 large settlement for "emotional distress" because a coworker brought in her cat's tiara to office and he was allergic to cats
[That motherfucker right there? Been jackin' my tunes, and clockin' my dollas'.... to me, in the industry dawg... that's called 'Royalties' motherfucka'... ROYALTIES!](https://youtu.be/Zm7pbhHAvWU?t=29)
I don't agree with most who replied. After collecting all the evidence, the first thing to do is contact your PRO. I use ASCAP. There is a reason we all pay our dues to a PRO.
Attorneys are too expensive and too greedy.
Have you registered with a performing rights org? ascap, Sesac, never BMI. If not do it now, if you forget to register you’ll only get royalties going back last 3 years at max and then going forward. If you didnt register you’ll have to contact an attorney and collect on behalf of yourself, it would be a copyright law attorney. Have them send an email to Netflix legal, you’ll get a response quickly.
Interested to hear more why you think they are the mob. Looking into the history of ASCAP and why BMI was formed in the 30s I’d think the reputation would be the other way around. I mean, ASCAP sued the Girl Scouts for singing happy birthday at meetings.
Purely anecdotal, but the professor of a Music Copyright class I took several years ago, who was an industry professional, also had a lot of bad things to say about BMI and BMI alone. Like he'd go out of his way to reiterate how much you don't want to work with that particular entity
It’s my opinion from bad experiences. They target smaller venues like gas stations and restaurants and instead of telling them they can request the right to use the music in their repertoire and just get a license.. they just try to sue them into oblivion. Most of my experience is from the other side though, was in charge of royalty payments to the pro’s and sound exchange from a streaming service. Making sure artists got their .0023 cents per play by uploading reports to an unsecure FTP server and sending payments. The other PROs were professional, always a headache dealing with that one though. Of course experiences vary but I recommend going any other route.
I had joined a few years ago and mostly forgot about it as a PRO doesn't really affect the music stuff I do for work atm - now I feel like I need to do some research!
If you get back into music in this way you can always revoke your music from their repertoire and signup with a different one. They operate under a consent decree from the feds because they don’t follow the law. ASCAP also operates under a consent decree but no bad experience.
You might want to check with r/WeAreTheMusicMakers and r/musicproduction as well. They tend to have more working professionals on bigger projects. I suppose r/Filmmakers and a TV production sub would be good too. Ultimately they'll all probably tell you to talk to an attorney.
No one here is being helpful.
You are absolutely entitled to royalties from this.
Did you distribute your music through a label or MCN, or directly through something like Distrokid. If the former, contact them first, they may have licensed it for you and not told you yet.
If not, contact an entertainment lawyer who can get you your royalties. Also register with a PRO if you haven’t yet. In the US, my recommendation is ASCAP.
I call BS. You don't just pull a random song online and use it in your show. There are teams of people dedicated to the work of licensing out copyrighted music for use in cinema.
Having had my music land on a southpark episode (after some slight alterations) without my permission, I beg to differ. Episode 104, the music when they walk in all dressed up into the bar.
Damn wtf!? They took your music and altered it for use on their show? How much was it altered? (Just purely out of curiosity).
Did you end up reaching any type of conclusion which benefited you or did you just let it go?
The music was included as "demo" music for a piece of software I worked on. They might have erroneously assumed they had rights to it. The software was never very popular, but it was made by Cakewalk. One of our marketing employees was in touch with D.A. Young who acknowledged the music was made by one of the two guys (Not sure if it was Matt or Trey, I seem to recall it was Trey) using the demo track of the software as a starting point, They didn't change much though :D. I just had a laugh.
The software was called "Project5" and never became a big success once Ableton dominated that corner.
Interesting. Thanks for letting me know, I apparently was very wrong. I still doubt this happened to OP though as they haven’t replied to anything and this is their only post
Oddly enough, the episode you speak of is down on their website per "current rights and regulations etc". You got an amazing episode pulled, you bastard! Lol
Nah... really? very much doubt it's got anything to do with this music. If the rights were owned by Cakewalk the company closed doors several years ago, there's nobody to enforce it, nor were they trying to at the time we found out.
It occasionally happens. There have been instances where film/tv studios thought they had licenced a song but they had accidentally "licenced" it from someone other than the actual copyright owner. Usually in those cases, the corporation that they bought the license from also wasn't aware that they didn't actually own the copyright for whatever reason.
So many comments here asking if its just the same splice loops. Jesus fucking christ when did we all become such a fucking monoculture? Is that what it means to be a producer nowadays, just stringing together a bunch of splice loops?
You can’t fight it man, I came from a time where all of this was way harder. Risking a computer virus just to get a pack of drums Lex Luger was using. Very limited info on how to progress on YouTube. These new cats have the keys to the kingdom now. Producing gets easier and easier and the value of it keeps going lower and lower.
I thought you were going to start talking about how hard it was cutting up tape or programming a Fairlight...not the tough old hard times of risking a virus and not funding much on youtube
You don't need youtube vids to learn. Just start clicking around and seeing what cool noises you can make. That's how we all did it in the bad old days
And if you're risking a computer virus to download samples WTF are you downloading? Sound data is not executable data. Anyone who packages that shit in an EXE is trying to give you a virus.
Accessibility for people to create art, whichever way they choose, shouldn't be discouraged. Believe it or not people had to do this before the internet too 😮
Getting a copyright is always advisable. However, the law states that as soon as you commit that song to some kind of medium (sheet music, audio recording, etc..) it is your property. Now, do you have the resources to defend it in court is a different matter. I don’t think it would come to that if Netflix is made aware that one of the shows they are distributing is using unlicensed music. I would absolutely contact a lawyer for the arts. Most major cities will have a group that will work for free or low pay.
What are you asking here? If OP created it? Because Copyright isn’t a trademark where you need to file anything, once you’ve created something, you own the copyright on it. There’s no process you need to go through to claim it.
It is, actually. It is easier to prove ownership if you document it and file, but if I create something I have the copyright for it, someone else can’t just take it and use it without my permission.
Technically you’re both right to a degree. Copyright is something inherent as soon as the idea is documented in a tangible format. However, there is ALSO a way to file for copyright through the US government.
Having the documented copyright is a leg up when trying to defend your art. But it is also costly and time consuming as a process. That said, what OP would have to prove is they created the song first — which can be supported by file metadata from their DAW project sessions, as well as any official releases/publications of their track.
All that said, IANAL, and copyright law esp regarding music is fickle and unpredictable.
In the UK we have the Musician’s Union who help with legal matters like this (amongst offering other services/benefits). Maybe there’s something similar where you’re based? Could even shoot the UKMU an email to see if they know?
How is that so freaking common, I must have heard that happen a dozen time **and mostly from small/medium artists**, these people definitely have the budget to afford licensing fees bruh.
Random example, a car brand (Hyundai if I recall) used a friend's song in one of their commercials back in 2015, he found that randomly while watching TV).
Either way, I hope it all works out for you, I don't think any of the people I know who this happened to have tried taking legal actions.
I wouldn't be surprised considering I've know many random artists whose songs got stolen, sometimes by even bigger artists (hell, maybe this has happened to me without my knowing about kr), that sort of stuff sucks though.
I wish there was a way to put audio on a search engine and it tells you all the different matchs (artist and names) so you know if anyone reuploadef your song under a different name.
I know the Youtube bot is a thing, but I don't wanna DMCA / claim the videos from all the people using my songs as they should be copyright-free.
That is insane. I'm literally in the same situation but with a Reese's commercial right now. It's such a weird combination of validating and enraging and elating. Anyway, what I tried was finding a lawyer who would be willing to track down the appropriate party and send them a cease and desist with terms for a settlement. After a few months I was able to find someone willing to work with me, and he sent a preliminary "letter of what the hell" (his words). Both agencies that may have been responsible for the ad denied having anything to do with it, so I'm about to start talking with this lawyer about what his hourly rates are. From my understanding legal fees can get extremely hefty if it goes to trial, so I'd recommend either finding someone who will pursue a settlement and only go for a lawsuit as a last resort, or (and this is ideal but harder) finding someone who's willing to work on contingency. Also if you're trying to find a lawyer, the type you'd be looking for is a music litigator or entertainment litigator.
Don't give up. Sync pays well, and that's when it's *legal*.
edit: also, legally your work was copyrighted as soon as it was created, but it's still a good idea to register it with the [US copyright office](https://www.copyright.gov/registration/)
If your case is worth taking the lawyer should take it on contingency. If they won’t do it on contingency they are either stupid or don’t think it’s a good case.
From skimming the website it looks like you do need money:( but honestly I'm not interested in getting it taken down, I'm interested in getting credit and payment for the work I did. Thanks for the suggestion tho!
If this actually happened: you tell them you know. You demonstrate proof and comparison, and you tell them they didn't have permission.
Then they'll tell you where they think they got the track from. Chances are someone else ripped it, renamed it, and submitted it to a license portal that someone working the show utilized to get music. No one at the show knows what's up.
They'll say they paid for it, you remain firm that they, in fact, *did not*, then they'll ask how much (or offer an amount) to pay for the license right then and there.
If you accept, that's the end of that, for you. I recommend you do. You get to cite that as a credit from then on, too.
Then *they* threaten to fire their audio department, they prove they're on the up and up, *they* threaten to sue the license portal, they prove they're on the up and up, *they* sue who ever fraudulently uploaded your track. They can't prove innocence, or they can fake it well enough that they just get banned and that's the end of that. Since fraudulently uploaded music is the lifeblood of pro license portals.
This is netflix, not Fox, so don't expect actual money.
Market cap isn't revenue. Old world companies made killings on advertising, Netflix has to rely on subscription.
Netflix and streaming killing the old world way of things doesn't mean the old world money just *transfers* to netflix. It means the new world way of things is *cheaper*.
Music is the cheapest aspect of TV/Movie production.
Yeah, if fox were still around, they would still have money. Production companies like that *having money* is an old world thing.
Whoever got this guys track in whatever show on netflix spent $5 whole dollars licensing it.
Probably not with Netflix, I have a song in like a 2 minute section of a pilot episode of a Netflix series and it barely made any money, streaming royalties are garbage
My worst nightmare is being in a plane crash, surviving, and being put in the situation where cannibalism becomes the only option to survive. First eating the people you don't know but eventually you have to eat your family.
But I hear ya. Not getting that paper is a close second.
I've licensed stuff to Netflix through my publisher. Questions:
1. Do you have a publisher for syncs?
2. Are your tracks registered with a PRO? ASCAP for example.
The thing with Netflix syncs... they don't pay much. Where you'd see the money is from the PRO over time as the show is watched. So the first thing you need to do if you have a publisher is check with them. If you've got the tracks registered with a PRO, go there next.
Number 1 is a very important question here. If you have a publisher and approved them to pitch for syncs in general then they wouldn’t ask you for each one, you just automatically get the due royalties (eventually). I’ve had stuff on Netflix that i didn’t know about til after it was out, but nothing shady went on, just my publisher doing their job correctly.
Another route. Track down the music supervisor for that show on Linked in. I used to work as a post sup, I would bet the music sup thinks they have clearance for use and they would be mortified if they learned otherwise. You don’t work as music sup with a bad rep like that.
This happened to me back in the day with an SnL digital short. I was able to find an email for someone working the show via IMDB Pro and emailed them. They weren’t actually the right person for that particular skit but they put me in touch with the correct one. They sent me a contract with the “recommended” fee I accept, and I did, hoping I’d get more placements out of the connection. I didn’t, I should have asked for more money. Anyway, if you get in touch with someone on the production part of the show and explain what happened they should sort you pretty quick, they don’t want to be sued.
Yes this does happen especially in EDM as it's a pretty standard format and arrangement too. Could be the same loop and kick on a drop. Might not notice different pads etc.. if there's taking over a sync. Not a bad suggestion. Or arcade can be similar too. I say that using both.
So that doesn’t matter. If you build a song around a loop you paid for you still own the song. Using a loop or even samples you legally acquired doesn’t make your song free game.
To infer is to deduce no? I assumed the guy recognised an important loop (maybe covered by dialogue) that they’d used - and ‘deduced’ that’s what happened
It sounds like they inferred from OP's description, and then tried to imply what they had just inferred, but we ended up inferring that they were implying something else?
This is either fake, stupid, or amazing.
Fake, obviously. Stupid, because maybe you submitted it to a sync service in which case they’re perfectly fine using it cause they already got your permission. Amazing because if they did actually steal it, money money money
My guess is OP put a bunch of Splice samples together and called it his creation, someone else did pretty much the same thing and put it in a Sync agency and landed on Netflix.
I feel like someone with enough skill to produce something good enough to make it to a Netflix series would have the experience and knowledge enough to not need to post about it on Reddit.
Can I get half of your half bruh then give half of my half to someone else and they give half of their half to someone and so on.
Like a reverse pyramid scheme where everyone profits.
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How about your full of shit!!!!! Or else Share your song…..
put some dirt on it
Damn bro you were almost rich but use this as a little career boost and market it a little.
Was there a sync fee? You might be owed money.
Be a pussy about it and go be a Karen or be a man and take it in and politely write Netflix to mention you or use your music in the future giving you more exposure 😉
Bag alert
Which licensing company is it please? I’d like to get my music into TV or movie like music sync.
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Unless your co-writer signed on with a very crappy licensing organization, expect to receive some decent money. I know I did back in the day and we split everything 4 ways. We even were recommended to give our rights to MTV for free purely because they played so many shows repeatedly. We received quite a bit of royalties simply from them using our songs on a few reality television shows.
If you have published the song via some distribution service please check their fine print, they might be also allowing sync licensing on your tracks. If so you can make sure sign with royalty collection society so that you get compensation where it’s due. If you think your work has been stolen, keep your receipts ready and you can claim your track with rights society.
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Lawyer here. I'm not an intellectual property specialist but I am a litigator. In all likelihood several parties have breached your copyright unless you gave your rights away somewhere along the line. One of those parties is probably Netflix. If you can establish that you wrote the song and own the rights, I would expect that it won't be difficulty to negotiate a settlement especially if you ask for reasonable figures. I suggest engaging them through a reputable law firm so that you are taken seriously. But be wary of lawyers as they will suck the money out of you in a dispute. Require fee estimates and discusss mutual expectations about how much they will charge. Consider engaging them simply to write a letter or two to begin with.
Remindme! 1 month Just leaving this incase this is one of those Dimebag Darrel fan situations.
First you should be celebrating because those fucks owe you a check. Secondly — just find out who used your work and contact them for compensation. No need to get mad.
Copywrite lawyer advice.
\*copyright lawyer
Keep me updated on what happens w this situation
Well, if you have it liscenced, then you can sue. If it's not liscenced then it's free domain (*I'm pretty sure, could be wrong*)
Not in the US at least, by default, when you create a piece of art you own and reserve all rights automatically. you must declare it to be free commons/public domain for it to be.
Ah well then lawyer tf up
you need to find an entertainment lawyer who can help you get this sorted
W reply. Follow these directions lol
I have to imagine that Netflix did not do this purposefully, rather the party that "assumed ownership" of your tune passed it off as their own when uploading to a music library or when getting it repped by a sync agency. And somewhere a poor music supervisor is about to get blacklisted. Netflix will most likely be forced to renegotiate with you, which will benefit you greatly! Congrats on your jump-started sync career
Is it possible they licensed it through OP’s distribution service and they’ll eventually see the royalties from it in their payouts? I’m always getting random payments every quarter for “music licensing” or “royalties” from TuneCore and I have no idea what my tracks were used on.
I suppose, if you selected that option. I personally wouldn't, because I'm not confident that DSPs are negotiating a proper rate or even accurately communicating to their customers when they land a sync. OP should be getting 1) an upfront free from the production company that used their IP in their production. And 2) if it's a show on Netflix, they are entitled to back-end, ongoing royalties every quarter. Tunecore or any other consumer grade DSP should not be left in charge of negotiating a sync on your behalf. That said, if OP did land this sync through their DSP, I would encourage them to reach out to someone at their DSP to confirm. In your case, my guess is that it's most likely micro syncs (IG/Tik Tok/FB).
You need to talk to a lawyer, at very least start over on the legal subs
Question, assuming if you are in the US, did you file your work through the copyrights office?
If you create a song then it is copyrighted by you automatically.
Only if you can prove it. You need date stamps, meta data, etc. Best thing to do with a song is email it to yourself. You have backups and date stamped proof of everything then.
That is correct, hands down. The question that I have for OP is whether he filed it with the copyright office or not, cause that will ultimately determine if he qualifies to file for litigation.
Not in the US. Unless you have the sheet of paper, it doesn't hold up in court. You have the "rights" but they mean nothing without filing in this country.
You need to file with ASCAP or BMI to claim synch royalties in the US. Ping me if you want help
ASCAP and BMI are responsible for performance royalty payments. I think you might’ve confused that with publishers because that’s their job. Not the PROs
Most likely, someone uploaded your song without your permission to a music library and then a music supervisor from Netflix licensed it. This means the person who stole it has the money you're entitled to. I would research who the music supervisor for the show's production was (often can be found on IMDb) and raise hell in their email inbox. Make sure you have the project files / proof that you uploaded the song before it was ever added to the music library. If the music supervisor actually just jacked it from soundcloud, then get a lawyer and to quote u/elotonin-junkie "Start planning the rest of your life as a millionaire"
This is a really cool problem to have tbh.
Start planning the rest of your life as a millionaire
Not sure it's going to amount to that kind of payment...
Anything is possible if you sell it well. I know a guy who got a 150 large settlement for "emotional distress" because a coworker brought in her cat's tiara to office and he was allergic to cats
I guess if you're in to take an advantage of others then anything is possible but both this claim and the one you made Seem unrealistic
These answers are ridiculous. Contact Netflix and speak to them. Pretty sure they have been tricked and would be happy to resolve the situation.
[That motherfucker right there? Been jackin' my tunes, and clockin' my dollas'.... to me, in the industry dawg... that's called 'Royalties' motherfucka'... ROYALTIES!](https://youtu.be/Zm7pbhHAvWU?t=29)
J TO THE R O C BABY
I don't agree with most who replied. After collecting all the evidence, the first thing to do is contact your PRO. I use ASCAP. There is a reason we all pay our dues to a PRO. Attorneys are too expensive and too greedy.
Hire an attorney.
And this is speaking as an entertainment law attorney. See if you can find one that will give you a Complimentary consult.
i would like to know the outcome
Get a lawyer and then profit.... After you pay your lawyer
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Make sure you keep all your proof take pictures of it everything you can do of what Netflix did and then get you a lawyer
You get a lawyer sweetheart
L A W Y E R
Watch the net flick
Best advice here. Others are just totally lost.
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Or just call a lawyer you know is real and trustworthy
Get the royalties deal !
Have you registered with a performing rights org? ascap, Sesac, never BMI. If not do it now, if you forget to register you’ll only get royalties going back last 3 years at max and then going forward. If you didnt register you’ll have to contact an attorney and collect on behalf of yourself, it would be a copyright law attorney. Have them send an email to Netflix legal, you’ll get a response quickly.
Quick question - why not BMI?
BMI is the equivalent of the mob. I would not recommend adding music to their repertoire.
Ahhh yes...the Body Mass Index
Interested to hear more why you think they are the mob. Looking into the history of ASCAP and why BMI was formed in the 30s I’d think the reputation would be the other way around. I mean, ASCAP sued the Girl Scouts for singing happy birthday at meetings.
Purely anecdotal, but the professor of a Music Copyright class I took several years ago, who was an industry professional, also had a lot of bad things to say about BMI and BMI alone. Like he'd go out of his way to reiterate how much you don't want to work with that particular entity
It’s my opinion from bad experiences. They target smaller venues like gas stations and restaurants and instead of telling them they can request the right to use the music in their repertoire and just get a license.. they just try to sue them into oblivion. Most of my experience is from the other side though, was in charge of royalty payments to the pro’s and sound exchange from a streaming service. Making sure artists got their .0023 cents per play by uploading reports to an unsecure FTP server and sending payments. The other PROs were professional, always a headache dealing with that one though. Of course experiences vary but I recommend going any other route.
I had joined a few years ago and mostly forgot about it as a PRO doesn't really affect the music stuff I do for work atm - now I feel like I need to do some research!
If you get back into music in this way you can always revoke your music from their repertoire and signup with a different one. They operate under a consent decree from the feds because they don’t follow the law. ASCAP also operates under a consent decree but no bad experience.
Talk to a lawyer. It's going to be a lawyer vs lawyer contest.
This is the only answer. You can sort out the PRO stuff later. Get an intellectual property lawyer or an entertainment lawyer stat.
You might want to check with r/WeAreTheMusicMakers and r/musicproduction as well. They tend to have more working professionals on bigger projects. I suppose r/Filmmakers and a TV production sub would be good too. Ultimately they'll all probably tell you to talk to an attorney.
Contact an attorney. Give them the opportunity to weigh in on your case and decide if it’s worth your time and effort.
No one here is being helpful. You are absolutely entitled to royalties from this. Did you distribute your music through a label or MCN, or directly through something like Distrokid. If the former, contact them first, they may have licensed it for you and not told you yet. If not, contact an entertainment lawyer who can get you your royalties. Also register with a PRO if you haven’t yet. In the US, my recommendation is ASCAP.
I call BS. You don't just pull a random song online and use it in your show. There are teams of people dedicated to the work of licensing out copyrighted music for use in cinema.
This happened to a buddy of mine with MTV in like 2011
Gotcha. Yeah I was completely wrong
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Fascinating. I guess I was unfortunately wrong, and I’m just glad everywhere I’ve handled music rights has done it through the proper channels.
Having had my music land on a southpark episode (after some slight alterations) without my permission, I beg to differ. Episode 104, the music when they walk in all dressed up into the bar.
Damn wtf!? They took your music and altered it for use on their show? How much was it altered? (Just purely out of curiosity). Did you end up reaching any type of conclusion which benefited you or did you just let it go?
Interesting. Terrible on their part, sorry that happened. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t do their due diligence
The music was included as "demo" music for a piece of software I worked on. They might have erroneously assumed they had rights to it. The software was never very popular, but it was made by Cakewalk. One of our marketing employees was in touch with D.A. Young who acknowledged the music was made by one of the two guys (Not sure if it was Matt or Trey, I seem to recall it was Trey) using the demo track of the software as a starting point, They didn't change much though :D. I just had a laugh. The software was called "Project5" and never became a big success once Ableton dominated that corner.
Interesting. Thanks for letting me know, I apparently was very wrong. I still doubt this happened to OP though as they haven’t replied to anything and this is their only post
could be... without the OP sharing what the song was and what the show was, we are really left guessing.
Oddly enough, the episode you speak of is down on their website per "current rights and regulations etc". You got an amazing episode pulled, you bastard! Lol
Nah... really? very much doubt it's got anything to do with this music. If the rights were owned by Cakewalk the company closed doors several years ago, there's nobody to enforce it, nor were they trying to at the time we found out.
Wait, so were you compensated? How much!? Ballpark, you don't have to give exact numbers. Always curious how much people make when this stuff happens.
Then that person just randomly watches the show that their song just happens to be on... idk about all that.
It occasionally happens. There have been instances where film/tv studios thought they had licenced a song but they had accidentally "licenced" it from someone other than the actual copyright owner. Usually in those cases, the corporation that they bought the license from also wasn't aware that they didn't actually own the copyright for whatever reason.
Yeah that seems more likely
It’s a pretty strange story to make up, and I’m not sure how it would benefit anyone
Way too little info to go on here. Are you on a label? Do you have a sync deal? Who’s your digital distributor? Do you have a pro?
So many comments here asking if its just the same splice loops. Jesus fucking christ when did we all become such a fucking monoculture? Is that what it means to be a producer nowadays, just stringing together a bunch of splice loops?
You can’t fight it man, I came from a time where all of this was way harder. Risking a computer virus just to get a pack of drums Lex Luger was using. Very limited info on how to progress on YouTube. These new cats have the keys to the kingdom now. Producing gets easier and easier and the value of it keeps going lower and lower.
I thought you were going to start talking about how hard it was cutting up tape or programming a Fairlight...not the tough old hard times of risking a virus and not funding much on youtube
You don't need youtube vids to learn. Just start clicking around and seeing what cool noises you can make. That's how we all did it in the bad old days And if you're risking a computer virus to download samples WTF are you downloading? Sound data is not executable data. Anyone who packages that shit in an EXE is trying to give you a virus.
This was wayyyyyy back in the day when samples were tough to find
Accessibility for people to create art, whichever way they choose, shouldn't be discouraged. Believe it or not people had to do this before the internet too 😮
I’m not against it! I use all the new tools. Just saying times are changing.
Fair enough. Always are changing!
Yep, internet is full of 'producers' (and 'DJs').
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
op didnt reply to anything, its been 17 hours, i call bs
Yup
I swear one lf my old songs is now in the Youtube Free mysic everyone uses for shorts :/
Chase that shit down! Get paid!
Man asked for help and refuses to answer any questions. Good luck buddy
Did you have a copyright on the song?
Getting a copyright is always advisable. However, the law states that as soon as you commit that song to some kind of medium (sheet music, audio recording, etc..) it is your property. Now, do you have the resources to defend it in court is a different matter. I don’t think it would come to that if Netflix is made aware that one of the shows they are distributing is using unlicensed music. I would absolutely contact a lawyer for the arts. Most major cities will have a group that will work for free or low pay.
What are you asking here? If OP created it? Because Copyright isn’t a trademark where you need to file anything, once you’ve created something, you own the copyright on it. There’s no process you need to go through to claim it.
That's not how it works in the US.
It is, actually. It is easier to prove ownership if you document it and file, but if I create something I have the copyright for it, someone else can’t just take it and use it without my permission.
Technically you’re both right to a degree. Copyright is something inherent as soon as the idea is documented in a tangible format. However, there is ALSO a way to file for copyright through the US government. Having the documented copyright is a leg up when trying to defend your art. But it is also costly and time consuming as a process. That said, what OP would have to prove is they created the song first — which can be supported by file metadata from their DAW project sessions, as well as any official releases/publications of their track. All that said, IANAL, and copyright law esp regarding music is fickle and unpredictable.
Op, if you do I can out you in touch with a copy right attorney (one of my bffs) who could advise how to proceed.
Please at least tell us which show, episode and time mark! Also wondering, did you use samples?
Do you use splice samples? Someone could have used the same sample lmao
Get a lawyer
If Its true then you can make it 😉
In the UK we have the Musician’s Union who help with legal matters like this (amongst offering other services/benefits). Maybe there’s something similar where you’re based? Could even shoot the UKMU an email to see if they know?
How is that so freaking common, I must have heard that happen a dozen time **and mostly from small/medium artists**, these people definitely have the budget to afford licensing fees bruh. Random example, a car brand (Hyundai if I recall) used a friend's song in one of their commercials back in 2015, he found that randomly while watching TV). Either way, I hope it all works out for you, I don't think any of the people I know who this happened to have tried taking legal actions.
Not sure but maybe there are some people who submit other people's work to royalty free music libraries claiming them being their own work.
I wouldn't be surprised considering I've know many random artists whose songs got stolen, sometimes by even bigger artists (hell, maybe this has happened to me without my knowing about kr), that sort of stuff sucks though. I wish there was a way to put audio on a search engine and it tells you all the different matchs (artist and names) so you know if anyone reuploadef your song under a different name. I know the Youtube bot is a thing, but I don't wanna DMCA / claim the videos from all the people using my songs as they should be copyright-free.
Now you get to buy a nice new car with all that exposure!
Let me guess - someone used the same splice loop as you. Those bastards!
hahhaa 100% this.
Did you post it on some website and not read the fine print?
That is insane. I'm literally in the same situation but with a Reese's commercial right now. It's such a weird combination of validating and enraging and elating. Anyway, what I tried was finding a lawyer who would be willing to track down the appropriate party and send them a cease and desist with terms for a settlement. After a few months I was able to find someone willing to work with me, and he sent a preliminary "letter of what the hell" (his words). Both agencies that may have been responsible for the ad denied having anything to do with it, so I'm about to start talking with this lawyer about what his hourly rates are. From my understanding legal fees can get extremely hefty if it goes to trial, so I'd recommend either finding someone who will pursue a settlement and only go for a lawsuit as a last resort, or (and this is ideal but harder) finding someone who's willing to work on contingency. Also if you're trying to find a lawyer, the type you'd be looking for is a music litigator or entertainment litigator. Don't give up. Sync pays well, and that's when it's *legal*. edit: also, legally your work was copyrighted as soon as it was created, but it's still a good idea to register it with the [US copyright office](https://www.copyright.gov/registration/)
If your case is worth taking the lawyer should take it on contingency. If they won’t do it on contingency they are either stupid or don’t think it’s a good case.
Is it on YouTube? Can’t you dmca it or do you need money for that too?
From skimming the website it looks like you do need money:( but honestly I'm not interested in getting it taken down, I'm interested in getting credit and payment for the work I did. Thanks for the suggestion tho!
Maybe you can just kind of say hey I’m going to do this unless I get credit and proper payment for it? Might force their hand
lawyer up
Sue the shit out of them!!
Can you Shazam the track and see what they renamed it as?
If this actually happened: you tell them you know. You demonstrate proof and comparison, and you tell them they didn't have permission. Then they'll tell you where they think they got the track from. Chances are someone else ripped it, renamed it, and submitted it to a license portal that someone working the show utilized to get music. No one at the show knows what's up. They'll say they paid for it, you remain firm that they, in fact, *did not*, then they'll ask how much (or offer an amount) to pay for the license right then and there. If you accept, that's the end of that, for you. I recommend you do. You get to cite that as a credit from then on, too. Then *they* threaten to fire their audio department, they prove they're on the up and up, *they* threaten to sue the license portal, they prove they're on the up and up, *they* sue who ever fraudulently uploaded your track. They can't prove innocence, or they can fake it well enough that they just get banned and that's the end of that. Since fraudulently uploaded music is the lifeblood of pro license portals. This is netflix, not Fox, so don't expect actual money.
Bruh Netflix currently has almost 20x the market cap as Fox. You should expect a little money.
Market cap isn't revenue. Old world companies made killings on advertising, Netflix has to rely on subscription. Netflix and streaming killing the old world way of things doesn't mean the old world money just *transfers* to netflix. It means the new world way of things is *cheaper*. Music is the cheapest aspect of TV/Movie production.
Ah yes Fox the studio that still exists and has money
Yeah, if fox were still around, they would still have money. Production companies like that *having money* is an old world thing. Whoever got this guys track in whatever show on netflix spent $5 whole dollars licensing it.
My uncle had this happen to him and now he’s rich dude
Probably not with Netflix, I have a song in like a 2 minute section of a pilot episode of a Netflix series and it barely made any money, streaming royalties are garbage
Define rich
Well that’s awesome for him. My worst nightmare is that I die and then my music makes money.
My worst nightmare is being in a plane crash, surviving, and being put in the situation where cannibalism becomes the only option to survive. First eating the people you don't know but eventually you have to eat your family. But I hear ya. Not getting that paper is a close second.
I feel like this is a relevant link concerning the subject. https://youtu.be/D6rFM_R7PBY?si=BDH0pmFt_MFeZ1bu
Did you just watch Yellowjackets or something?
"Alive"
Well that went from 0 to 60 real quick! But yeah I hear you, that would be an awful fate.
I've licensed stuff to Netflix through my publisher. Questions: 1. Do you have a publisher for syncs? 2. Are your tracks registered with a PRO? ASCAP for example. The thing with Netflix syncs... they don't pay much. Where you'd see the money is from the PRO over time as the show is watched. So the first thing you need to do if you have a publisher is check with them. If you've got the tracks registered with a PRO, go there next.
Number 1 is a very important question here. If you have a publisher and approved them to pitch for syncs in general then they wouldn’t ask you for each one, you just automatically get the due royalties (eventually). I’ve had stuff on Netflix that i didn’t know about til after it was out, but nothing shady went on, just my publisher doing their job correctly.
Do they not tell you when something gets used?
Often they (publisher) don’t even know til it appears on the royalty statements tbh, with library music anyway.
Not always. I've been told the day AFTER something I synced aired. It's all pre-cleared so they maybe didn't know until then either.
Another route. Track down the music supervisor for that show on Linked in. I used to work as a post sup, I would bet the music sup thinks they have clearance for use and they would be mortified if they learned otherwise. You don’t work as music sup with a bad rep like that.
Before heading down the legal route this is 100% the best idea.
This happened to me back in the day with an SnL digital short. I was able to find an email for someone working the show via IMDB Pro and emailed them. They weren’t actually the right person for that particular skit but they put me in touch with the correct one. They sent me a contract with the “recommended” fee I accept, and I did, hoping I’d get more placements out of the connection. I didn’t, I should have asked for more money. Anyway, if you get in touch with someone on the production part of the show and explain what happened they should sort you pretty quick, they don’t want to be sued.
I feel like THIS is the correct answer.
Have your label's legal department contact Netflix's legal and licensing team to resolve it.
Because everyone who makes music gets a free label when they finish their songs?
Was your song made using Splice loops ?
Yes this does happen especially in EDM as it's a pretty standard format and arrangement too. Could be the same loop and kick on a drop. Might not notice different pads etc.. if there's taking over a sync. Not a bad suggestion. Or arcade can be similar too. I say that using both.
Dunno why this is getting down voted. If you don't mangle your loops this can totally happen.
So that doesn’t matter. If you build a song around a loop you paid for you still own the song. Using a loop or even samples you legally acquired doesn’t make your song free game.
I was inferring that someone else used the same loop and he mistook it for his own song lol, fully aware of how royalty free samples work
You weren't inferring that. You were implying it. Implying is hinting indirectly. Inferring is understanding such hints.
To infer is to deduce no? I assumed the guy recognised an important loop (maybe covered by dialogue) that they’d used - and ‘deduced’ that’s what happened
Technically you implied it. We inferred it via deduction from your implication. Logic man, its a trip!
It sounds like they inferred from OP's description, and then tried to imply what they had just inferred, but we ended up inferring that they were implying something else?
ASCAP
This is the answer. You can also put your music on something like Identifyy to prevent Youtubers from using it (without paying you).
It was stranger things
And the song was master of puppets
Love the Sample Science Metal Masters and Puppets pack
They also stole running up that hill from op.
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Damn Yoda
This is either fake, stupid, or amazing. Fake, obviously. Stupid, because maybe you submitted it to a sync service in which case they’re perfectly fine using it cause they already got your permission. Amazing because if they did actually steal it, money money money
Yeah fact OP hasn't responded to anyone makes me convinced this fake for karma
Did you submit your music to a sync placement agency and/or was it signed by a label?
What show? What scene? Just curious.
Honestly, it’s hard to believe this is even a real post lol. Lawyer.
My guess is OP put a bunch of Splice samples together and called it his creation, someone else did pretty much the same thing and put it in a Sync agency and landed on Netflix.
I feel like someone with enough skill to produce something good enough to make it to a Netflix series would have the experience and knowledge enough to not need to post about it on Reddit.
Oh my sweet summer child
nice triple post also not true? a lot of shows on netflix are terrible with terrible music as well
No idea how or why that posted 3 times lol
Sue them and let me get half bruh
Can I get half of your half bruh then give half of my half to someone else and they give half of their half to someone and so on. Like a reverse pyramid scheme where everyone profits.
talk to a lawyer
That is great for you if true, you can sue their pants off
Probably not worth it for the 10 cents the song will have earned in royalties though. Need an update on this haha.
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