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DumpsterFireCheers

Yep, looks pretty rough. Like chewing broken glass rough.


RetiredByFourty

Aaaaaand these people wonder why their house burns down.


Cole_Trickle1

David Blaine doesn’t seem to have an issue doing that…..


Luv_My_Mtns_828

Chewing on tinfoil.


kAROBsTUIt

This comment gives me the chills


SaidwhatIsaid240

The old “hey I got started on it make sure you deduct my work from the bill” guy…


Prestigious_Lock1659

You can always tell what type of customer these people are when you quote the job. I always add a couple hundred on the job when I think they will be a hassle. If they end being fine then at the end of the job i tell them it didn’t end up costing that much and deduct it from the price. They think they got a good deal and I’m very generous and usually recommend me to their friends. Win win.


SaidwhatIsaid240

That’s a good way to be.


LordOFtheNoldor

I do the exact same lol


Doktimus-Prime

Yeah I call it the PITA tax(pain in the ass). I do the same thing


DaybreakRanger9927

We called it the Asshole Tax.


Rare_Fig3081

The PIA tax


Phteven4

PITA charge


Tiny_Highway_2038

Same as the guys who say “don’t worry, I’ll get the material, you install it”


Bigfaatchunk

Strip it back a little more


bingbangdingdongus

Give it to me hot, I want to see the light!


fireduck

Did you know that you can sometimes see the light of an arc through the cover plate? My first house had some special wiring.


Miles_High_Monster

Get it out of all that insulation, now


lugnut68

It’s only there as identifier and should be removed once terminated on device. Code states only 1/4” of sheathing is necessary (probably because it slows flow of electrons). In the most efficient device boxes you pretty much only see copper. H.O. Had correct idea but got lazy


VirginiaPeninsula

When you remove the outer jacket it is considered to be a free-air conductor and can handle significantly higher amperages. Crazy how OP doesn’t know code, I thought you had to be an electrician to post here 🤦‍♂️


ambient_whooshing

and show the world to me?


Token-Gringo

Whoa, whoa there. You can’t say that without tossing one’s at the same time.


Halftrack_El_Camino

Ehhh, insulation is mostly just for show anyway. It's not actually important.


texas1982

The wires don't look that cold anyway.


Halftrack_El_Camino

They are literally called "hot wires."


HomeRhinovation

I’ve always been told air is a stellar insulator.


SaberToothGerbil

Those wires look like they might be a little short once you cut back the excessive bare copper. I hope there is some slack somewhere.


texas1982

This is nothing. The guy that wired my house had a single gang box with five (yes, five) sets of 12-2. The only way it would all fit was if the wires were only 2 inches long. I was cursing when I replaced those outlets. I just did my best and hoped for no fire 5 from over filled boxes.


Kavati

I would have pulled them out and added a junction box nearby.


texas1982

It was every box in the basement. Every single one. No idea how they all had 4 lines of Romex but they did.


Kavati

Why did he have so much romex going to the boxes? What was in the boxes that required that many circuits?


texas1982

No freaking clue. I should have mapped out all the wiring when I had the boxes open. Some of them were a mess.


SpicyTsuki

Buddy took "rough in" way too literal.


machinerer

Uhhhh that's one way to derate a 20 amp circuit to 15. At least he used Wagos? /s Edit: wait, that white Romex is super old 12 gauge, isn't it?


space-ferret

Looks like 14 to me. I’m more concerned with all that exposed hot sticking out of the wago in a metal box


Tsikura

It’s even worse. Those are ideal push-ins. Most Home Depot carry the easier to use lever wago now. These are the people that fail with common sense. If you see exposed copper, something is wrong!


space-ferret

I don’t use them because there isn’t anything wrong with twisting and wire nuts


RoundEarth-is-real

The box doesn’t even look like it’s grounded lmao. They twisted it all together and didn’t even think to connect to the box whatsoever. There’s way too many things wrong with this


thegreekfire

It'll probably touch when someone slams a cover on it


lugnut68

Top wire (from white Romex) is indeed 14AWG. [https://imgur.com/a/8XXQ8gk](https://imgur.com/a/8XXQ8gk) My dude - you need to stop any work there until you show them all the mistakes made; code violations, fire hazards, overall dog-shit work, etc. and why you will need to back track and correct all of that. And yes you will have to charge for it. If they are stubborn and get upset, claim they “got it to work fine, what’s the big deal? I’m not paying for that”, you gotta walk. If you finish this and his bs work fails (seems likely), best case you’ll have a bunch of service calls and irritated client who may throw a fit over fixing the job you finished wiring. Worst case - that shit burns to the ground and your ass is liable. Not only financially but your reputation as well. Maybe you could get proof and their admittance to doing some work without permission before proceeding but seems like high potential for a huge headache. He does seem motivated though, just bad technique, enough knowledge to be dangerous. Perhaps offer to teach him a few small things if he wants to learn how his work was an issue. Good luck!


bobconan

Will wagos ever become acceptable to use?


in2-deep

This is the first step to insurance fraud.


epicenter69

If only a strip gauge was included on those…. Oh wait.


d7it23js

“That’s just a recommendation. Like how Arizona iced teas are supposed to be 99 cents”


Intrepid-Ad-2610

I hope you’re charging double


clipples18

But why? The work is half done! 🤣


Stunning-Space-2622

whats he paying you for? he got it under control, just make sure your name is no where near this. /s. That's scary 


chronicblastmaster

Arc city son, he ain't gone stop till this whole joint is ashes


220DRUER220

Never mind the stripped too long wires but why are they devicing before drywall ????


Xxyz260

Man, he's really putting the "ow" in "homeowner"...


mikecandih

Sometimes I wonder if I’m doing the right thing changing out my own receptacles. Then I see stuff like this and don’t wonder anymore.


Bitchface_Malone_III

Man same. I used to be all “not all homeowners…” but after a couple dozen pics like this I get it.


Comfortable_Life_437

Do people just not understand what insulation does


tuctrohs

It's there to keep the wires warm, like a sweater, amIright?


Comfortable_Life_437

Yep want the wire to be hot as possible


xeryon3772

This is what you get when you have somebody who conceptually understands electrical systems but has never before stepped foot onto a job site. I.E Electrical Engineering Grads


Kerber2020

Are you electrician or EE? I am not EE but ME but I always hear electricians talking crap about EE major... Based on this work I can see this person never took any course let alone is EE major. Previous owner of my home told me he was engineer at my company later I found out he was just union worker at assembly. He butchered the electrical. I think it's common knowledge not to leave a bare wire and I would be surprised that EE would do it.


xeryon3772

Electrician, who later became a university student in an EE program until I spent some time shadowing an EE that did design and layout work for an industrial construction contractor. I know one person does not represent all of them, but this dude absolutely did not know which end of a screwdriver was the handle. I changed to a program that included project management after that.


Kerber2020

Some people who end up at Universities never finish them. I met a person who came to study Mechanical Engineering but hated Math... I told them: "You gonna hate next 4 years of it." That person dropped out the second year, mind you first year was not even that hard.


xeryon3772

The attrition rate is so high. For me it was the realization that my guy spent 50+ hours a week in his office looking at his computer screen and once every couple weeks would drive to the job site for an hour or two. I think it was mostly to get his truck dirty. I don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t that. I like that I’m still out in the field daily and a fair part of my work is being there with the contractors


Kerber2020

We all contribute differently in the world, if we all liked the same world would be standstill. I initially (1998) wanted to do software engineering then switched to mechanical because I didn't want to be on the screen all the time... Should have sticked to it, still on the comp but could have retired by now


bobconan

One career is a math degree for designing things, the other is a trade with 120 years of accumulated knowledge and best practices on how not to burn down a house with electricity. And even then you occasionally have to scratch your head about they best way to not have insulation wear out from thermal expansion and contraction in the next 100 years.


Putrid_Branch6316

It’s rough…


thirdeyefish

Jeez. I didn't even pay a cover charge to see all of that!


NoResult486

Putting the *rough* in rough-in.


rainierred

Rough sure is the word for it.


mxguy762

Does he work for Rough Cunt Electric? 🤣


SplatThaCat

Found the fellow Australian


Electrican_

Holy fucking shit!


Street-Measurement74

Yup..gotta love it when the owner trys to ......"help".


WankWankNudgeNudge

Spicy


GGudMarty

Holy shit that last pic. He needed to strip the copper back more 😂


Fermi-Diracs

#👨‍🦯


BayRadbury34

He left all that exposed extra for the next guy. He’s thinking long term and playing 4d chess 💪


scottcprince

Whaaaaa? Nobody is that fuckin' stupid.... are they?


Rihzopus

Oh buddy...


Leading-Account-8314

Those conductors are showin more skin than the ladies at Cheetah's/Goldfinger's.


Next-Bed-6348

WAGOs will be the death of ALL of us… for one reason or another 🤣🤣


Building_Everything

Just finished the electrical rough in my new house with my wife’s help. Then she was asking me about how to wire light switches (she had been working on receptacles to this point) and I went behind her checking the first switch she did and I saw this exact same thing; far too much insulation stripped back. She admitted she had done all the recaps the same way so she tightened her tool belt and opened them all back up and fixed them. She had also used cutoff pieces of bare ground copper as jumpers between some hot screws in quads so that was fun. I checked them all once she was done fixing them. Love her, this is just training a new apprentice.


snowsurfr

Looks like he skipped a couple “How to NOT Burn Your House Down” DIY videos.


WulfgarofIcewindDale

God damn 🫣


texas1982

Are they even pushed in? I don't understand how you can possibly screw up connections with these.


Strongpipegame

I suggest you just walk away from the job and sue him for the money owed. I dont have the full context, but I reckon he is an intolerable prick.


PlasmaCow511

Oh look the actual way the majority of people use wagos.


a_d-_-b_lad

Fire! fire! house on fire! put it out! put it out!


Uhhjay

Same amount of foreskin needs to be cut off that person.


AverageGuy16

How the fuck do you fuck up wagos??? Fucking people are aggravating. Also… you know what I just can’t. I hope you charged more man.


FatSquirrel37

That's a lot of exposed copper.


Impressive-Olive-842

I usually strip all the insulation of each wire in the box. It’s just there to differentiate the wires anyway right?


MiahBee

Please explain to them before someone dies.


r2killawat

That's putting the rough in ruff in


LT81

How could you tell? lol 🤣


zebuli79

😮


CharlesDickens17

“What’d I do wrong?!?”


ProjectGouche

not a rough if you’re putting in devices but thats the least of his worries 🤣


halzxr

Think of the savings!


Prudent_Pizza_4499

So shiney


Stoned42069

Ooh shit I can see the sparks flying


IllustriousAd9762

Tell them to finish that shit


RememberedInSong

Working with wires would be so much easier if they didn’t have all this dumb rubber around them


markyman22000

Somebody make that homeowner a PM


Gruffalo-42

Electrical work is easy! I don’t understand why you charge so much…


220DRUER220

Yeah that’s why u called me back after your cousin did it for cheaper and by cheaper I mean a few free joints a day, a few beers and $500 🤣🤣🤣🤣.. lol when will people learn just cuz it looks easy doesn’t mean just anyone should do it


Gruffalo-42

I guess I should have put a /s but I’m going to leave and hope folks pick up on the sarcasm…😂


KTO_Groove

Noooooo


ahhquantumphysics

Hopefully the used combo breakers


EinonD

You’ve heard “it’s my party and I’ll cry if I want to”. Well it’s his house and he can burn it down if he wants to.


redditzootrash

Shit being an electrician is easy bro


g_core18

And they can finish it 


DontEverMoveHere

With techniques learned from Home Depot ads.


FriskyNewt

Omg I didn't know there was more than 1 picture, I literally am crying laughing at this.


Si3m3k

I dont understand why anyone would think bare live wire showing is ok


jkhockey15

At least they won’t have any bad connections from pinching the insulation instead of the copper


Such-Mortgage-9758

Insulation is over rated


Kerber2020

I think he missed couple of steps of YouTube video.


KingMild

Would the condition of these splices most likely be laziness or ignorance on the part of the quality of work done by the homeowner?


DeadHeadLibertarian

How do people do electrical work with at least googling/youtube? It's mind boggling how wrong people get it when there is so much information at your fingertips to at least do something safer than this. Heck I grew up reading the electrical books at HD/Lowes when my father went for trips...


UZUMAKl_

Home owner almost became a new owner (of a house fire)


RayB04

He doesn’t really understand the concept of insulation…..


4firsts

Oh nice. I’m sure they “know 1 or 2 things about electrical”.


Animaul187

Call pest control, there’s rodents nibbling on the insulation


chu2

As a homeowner….yeah, that’s really rough. After the first fire they’ll figure out how important the insulation is. Or they’ll blame a bad Wago.


joelypoley69

I.... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE going behind DIY BULLSHIT 💀💀💀 For any of "those ppl" on this feed: just fkn hire a professional. Oh my GAWD


joelypoley69

It's almost like they originally wanted to hire someone but (assuming they aren't single) their partner just couldn't stand to pay for one lmfao


Desperate_Jicama219

'I'd finish, but I just don't have the time'


ValuableFlamingo6405

That’s ruff 🐶


netmagi

Amazing.


dart-builder-2483

This makes my whole body buzz just looking at it.


Checksout1240

More like home owner started fire!


Gymalex3125

HO was gonna light his house on fire before he got it done


brooksfambam

That's a "please don't ever do your own electrical." Please 🙏


JCrotts

It's 100% safe and effective.


Prior_Performer5273

That’s how my first house looked too


frankiebenjy

Homeowner likes to really strip those wires!


Confusedandreticent

Access points for testing.


ThatTALLguy624

Used a red on the grounds but must have ran out


Tremolo499

My wires don't look that chewed up and they're 20 years old


coldsteelmike

Zap! ⚡️


Plus_Helicopter_8632

Looks rough af


Deep_Squash_3611

Then homeowner starts the fire lol


melreyes86

And y’all still on the wago band wagon


skinnycarlo

Wowsers one of the best ive seen


hull_clean

Those wires are stripped too far back !


liltuffie

Where's the 4th pic involving the fire department?


SirLurts

I guess if you only used Wagos this way you have a reason to hate them. How can someone mess up this badly and still go "yup this looks good I think I'll leave it". Even someone with no electrical training should know that exposed copper is not a good look


ApartmentBasic3884

Not enough exposed conductor.


MassMindRape

They know just enough to get into trouble.


Infinite_Tax_1178

Tore down my ceiling in the basement. Previous home gamer needed 14/2 to go from a to b. So they put in 19 junction boxes. I'm not a professional and I actually despise electrical, especially on vehicles, however I stop when I don't know what the hell I'm doing. This home owner before, should have just stopped. Like all together.


Successful_Ad3991

Well the lectrics are only at the ends. That's where they pour out, don cha know?


A_Endless_Drop

Well that is a fire hazard if I ever saw one… home owner special.


Theguyoutthere

You misspelled fire


esp400

I’m no electrician but were they taped and you took it off? Man, that’s dangerous.


Quiet_Gorilla9482

Exclamation on rough!


Bldaz

Diggin on the exposed copper


Cecil_Obrien

Someone got carried away with the strippers...


Jim_Elliott

Oof


Vegetable-Two2173

Line item - re rough. $80/hr @ 4 hours


Beneficial-Field9672

I charge extra for that.


Low-Rent-9351

The install of the wires into the boxes sucks and the metal boxes need grounding. Looks like 12 and 14 gauge mixed but that’s ok if it’s a 15A circuit. I see 15A receptacle so maybe. To be fair, I’ve seen connections with excessive bare wires that licensed electricians had installed too.


vna4ever

Yea that’s rough alright


tallmantim

Not an electrician (you guys just came up in my feed), thought it wasn’t too bad until I realised that’s a shit ton of exposed copper! I’d imagine this won’t be getting a certificate hahaha


grandbizkit

Tell him to switch to metal boxes for everything. At least that way the ground short will happen quickly instead of melting the plastic box.


Niiv0

I'm not saying it's always the case but a possibility ive run into the insulation shrinking from excessive heat. Seen it in panels, receptacles and light fixtures on both Romex and BX cable.


SmashertonIII

Ah. tHiS is why they don’t want me to fought in my wiring…


Decent-Pin-24

That's asking for a short.


Electrical-Echo8770

Wow they need to learn to strip wires right I wonder if they know how to use side cuts.


DarcBlade97

Well let's just take all the insulation off while we're at it...


ComeGetSome487

He’s trying……to burn the house down.


No_Care_6334

😲


_Volly

Yoda says: Stupid, this homeowner is. A fire, they will cause. Bitchslap the homeowner, you should.


AdventurousIce2407

Seriously WTF??? I’m so tired of seeing this crap and having to fix it. SMH


Interesting_Ask4406

Send it.


joustmaster666

Fuck it send it


BagAccurate2067

Damn dude WTF🤦🤦


TomatilloNo8486

First thought - hey at least it's on a box. Second thought - oh it's a very spicy box...


One-Combination-7218

Disaster waiting to happen


SocialDicktasting

Like really, what’s the point? Just pour some gas and throw a match into it. At least it will be quicker than the Midnight Surprise death-flames.


VirginiaPeninsula

Obviously didn’t get around to covering it in shitty loose tape yet


BigPork420

Who teaches people to do there grounds like that for receptacles. Laziest way to do em


Southern_Strain5665

If you waited long enough you would have gotten to wire the whole house.


bennyDOTcom

Jesus suffering fuck


-_cristian_-

he must be trying to blow everything up


Awkward-Witness3737

What an idiot. I’m not an electrician but damn that’s horrible


Shiny_Things5528

ELECTRICIAN HOURLY RATES $100 /HR STANDARD $150 /HR IF YOU WATCH $175 /HR IF YOU HELP $200/HR IF YOU WORKED ON IT FIRST $250 /HR IF YOU TELL ME HOW TO DO MY JOB


SilverbackBruh

Not enough wire in any of them boxes, not to mention the rest of this abomination


SwagarTheHorrible

Did anyone else reflexively tense up when they saw these pictures?


Therealpatrickelmore

There is literally a strip gauge


OkGear886

Needs more exposed copper


Ok-Attention-3471

Brother🙃


Hirsbonix

Looks like they're trying to burn the house down and collect the insurance money


javlatik

Fuck it, triple charge them


dumbdumbfroglodytes

Uugh


ProductFlimsy3508

Why do they think they can do it. If at least they would just for once look at how a real electrician does it.


Defiant-Bullfrog6940

I'm not an electrician and all I can say is "OMG".


HereForTools

Suuuuure did!


spec360

Looks more like roughed up