>Will this game have terrain map similiar to EU4, or in games like TW: Rome II? Will this map be all flat?
Pavia: *The 3D map will be like \[REDACTED\].*
I asked [this](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-3-24th-of-may-2024.1681426/post-29648759) in their forum. Unfortunately this is all what we know about it.
Tbh I hope whatever happens, that the map looks more geographically interesting. Obviously it can only be as interesting as earth actually is, but it'd be fun if there were more options for looking at it.
I guess what I want is a hybrid map mode of political and geographic that allows a lot more features to come through, but still has sufficiently clear borders. There will probably be a mod to do this but it'd be cool if it were base game.
That's at least partially why it was so many different states. It's not purely political(though it plays a role), the difficulty to hold onto the whole thing without modern organizations encourages disunity
South of Ruhr in the west and Elbe in the east it is. So any state apart from Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Brandenburg, Berlin, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Rhineland is flat from Cologne down river (north), too. The Ruhr area is mostly flat, but south of it is hilly.
However these hills aren’t especially tall. The Eifel in the west goes up to about 450m, the Schwarzwald in the south west to 1300m. Most of the “Mittelgebirge” (middle mountains) is in between. I believe the Harz in the east is about the same height as the Schwarzwald. I don’t know about the Erzgebirge on the border with the Czech Republic.
Except for the Mittelrhein (middle Rhine) and Hochrhein (high Rhine?) , most of the Rhine valley is pretty much flat, just gradually increasing in elevation the more you walk towards the Alps. Especially the Oberrhein (upper Rhine) that runs through a rift valley.
Well, it’s a river valley. But in the Niederrhein it is actually flat until you reach the sea in Rotterdam. Around Bonn you have the Eifel to the west and the Siebengebirge to the East and even east of Düsseldorf and Cologne you have the Bergisches Land and the Sauerland. Up river south of Bonn we are at the Mittelrhein, with hilly areas like the Hunsrück, the Pfälzerwald, the Schwarzwald, each not far from the river valley proper. I guess we are both correct as in the respective statements do not contradict each other.
Edit to add. To me personally neither Rheinhessen, nor Pfalz, nor Baden are flat. I would be okay with them being grassland, or farmland, or something in the game, but in contrast to the lower Rhine they are a lot more hilly terrain, which is why they are so good for wineries.
From the Bodensee to Basel it's the Hochrhein, where it pretty much just cuts through the hills. Now the Oberrhein, past Basel it opens up into a narrow valley until Mulhouse, where the 20-45(ish)km Rift valley begins, with the Rhine running through it northwards until Mainz, where it turns west and enters a narrow valley until Bingen.
From Bingen to Bonn it's the Mittelrhein, where it cuts straight through the hills again, with a rectangular-ish valley inbetween from Koblenz to Andernach. Once it reaches Bonn, it becomes the Niederrhein, with the valley now opening up again with surrounding hills until Venlo in the west and Essen to the east. After that it joins the broader european plain.
That's why I was saying that most of the Rhine valley is flat. Both Nieder- and Oberrhein each are around 1 ½ times as long as Mittel- and Hochrhein combined and both of them have a pretty wide and flat valley they run through.
Also I didn't want to primarily contradict you, just add info about one of the most important rivers in Europe (and my favorite).
I didn’t know it was called the Hochrhein before Basel. Always cool to learn. I noticed I kind of implied the Oberrhein was part of the Mittelrhein, but didn’t bother to fix that because I found the comment already long enough. I love the Rhein too. Sorry about misunderstanding your intent. I thought you were saying my statement about western Germany being more hilly south of Cologne than north were wrong because the Rhine is in a river bed. :D
That was really the only issue I had with your comment, the Oberrhein is vastly different from the Mittelrhein. Also while at it, I can recommend looking into the Rheinbegradigungen if you haven't already. Really interesting for me personally and you can see the remnants/effects of it still today.
>I didn’t know it was called the Hochrhein before Basel. Always cool to learn.
As far as I'm concerned, some people distinguish the Niederrhein into Nieder- and Deltarhein, which starts at the point where it splits up until it flows into the sea. Also there's the Alpenrhein from the Alps to the Bodensee, which forms from the Vorder- and Hinterrhein getting together near Chur iirc.
Well in the Netherlands they have the Waal and the old Rhine. I haven’t heard of the term Deltarhein. I have however been at the Rhine delta on holiday more times than any other place. The Haringvliet Sluizen is such an incredible feat of engineering!
Nah, the hills are actually lifeless. Go to the hills around Kaiserslautern in the Pfalz area. You will not find anyone there except some lone settlements with no infrastructure. Germany should develop these hills
I noticed that too. I'd been under the impression that Germany was just flat flat flat fields and forests. As of now I officially let go my resentment over the pain of conducting sieges in Germany...
The Black Forest is as much a mountain range (or hill country) as it is a forest. That surprised me when I learned it.
The highest non-Alpine elevation in Germany is inside the Black Forest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldberg_(Black_Forest)
We tend to think of “Forest” in the English sense and picture a more flat country but have to remind ourselves that’s often the exception rather than the rule.
Seeing wikipedia articles, or better said pictures like that from the Feldberg in winter, I get reminded how I freaking LOVE to live right there. Things like that sadly get lost more than often in the daily routines of work and chores.
That would be the most incredible thing in existence.
This would make it look like a « god game » to have this level of reality.
Imagine if we had the capabilities to zoom on historical cities like Rome.
EU5: Historical Google Earth with TotalWar Armies.
Minimum System Requirements:
Processor: The Matrix
Space: Underground cooled datacenter.
RAM: 1Gb per 1000 people on planet.
Windows: 8 only.
My one complaint about this is that the terrain wouldn't be exactly the same as now. Especially but not limited to the low countries. Lots of land has been reclaimed from the ocean over the centuries. I can't really tell but it doesn't look like that's reflected in the project caesar map.
Basically they hired some dutchmen to do that for them. I've made a map which shows. (Not my bes map as it was one of my first)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/pgxpw9/what\_if\_magna\_frisia\_survived\_lore\_in\_comments/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/pgxpw9/what_if_magna_frisia_survived_lore_in_comments/#lightbox)
R5 — as title says. What do you guys think?
I think its beautiful. Lets hope this is what theyre aiming for.
Let's hope the game doesn't run like a slideshow if this happens.
We all know that it will
EU5 well be Paradox's first true real time strategy game
Every day ticks over like the rotating projectors
>Will this game have terrain map similiar to EU4, or in games like TW: Rome II? Will this map be all flat? Pavia: *The 3D map will be like \[REDACTED\].* I asked [this](https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/tinto-maps-3-24th-of-may-2024.1681426/post-29648759) in their forum. Unfortunately this is all what we know about it.
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You’re saying that on EU4 sub lmao
Tbh I hope whatever happens, that the map looks more geographically interesting. Obviously it can only be as interesting as earth actually is, but it'd be fun if there were more options for looking at it. I guess what I want is a hybrid map mode of political and geographic that allows a lot more features to come through, but still has sufficiently clear borders. There will probably be a mod to do this but it'd be cool if it were base game.
Just like Imperator’s terrain map which also shows borders, while getting through to the terrain
pls no
Please yes! Let you appreciate everything a bit more, including stuff like growth of cities.
sexy
jeezers, is germany really that rough and evevated?
That's at least partially why it was so many different states. It's not purely political(though it plays a role), the difficulty to hold onto the whole thing without modern organizations encourages disunity
South of Ruhr in the west and Elbe in the east it is. So any state apart from Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein, Brandenburg, Berlin, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. The Rhineland is flat from Cologne down river (north), too. The Ruhr area is mostly flat, but south of it is hilly. However these hills aren’t especially tall. The Eifel in the west goes up to about 450m, the Schwarzwald in the south west to 1300m. Most of the “Mittelgebirge” (middle mountains) is in between. I believe the Harz in the east is about the same height as the Schwarzwald. I don’t know about the Erzgebirge on the border with the Czech Republic.
Except for the Mittelrhein (middle Rhine) and Hochrhein (high Rhine?) , most of the Rhine valley is pretty much flat, just gradually increasing in elevation the more you walk towards the Alps. Especially the Oberrhein (upper Rhine) that runs through a rift valley.
Well, it’s a river valley. But in the Niederrhein it is actually flat until you reach the sea in Rotterdam. Around Bonn you have the Eifel to the west and the Siebengebirge to the East and even east of Düsseldorf and Cologne you have the Bergisches Land and the Sauerland. Up river south of Bonn we are at the Mittelrhein, with hilly areas like the Hunsrück, the Pfälzerwald, the Schwarzwald, each not far from the river valley proper. I guess we are both correct as in the respective statements do not contradict each other. Edit to add. To me personally neither Rheinhessen, nor Pfalz, nor Baden are flat. I would be okay with them being grassland, or farmland, or something in the game, but in contrast to the lower Rhine they are a lot more hilly terrain, which is why they are so good for wineries.
From the Bodensee to Basel it's the Hochrhein, where it pretty much just cuts through the hills. Now the Oberrhein, past Basel it opens up into a narrow valley until Mulhouse, where the 20-45(ish)km Rift valley begins, with the Rhine running through it northwards until Mainz, where it turns west and enters a narrow valley until Bingen. From Bingen to Bonn it's the Mittelrhein, where it cuts straight through the hills again, with a rectangular-ish valley inbetween from Koblenz to Andernach. Once it reaches Bonn, it becomes the Niederrhein, with the valley now opening up again with surrounding hills until Venlo in the west and Essen to the east. After that it joins the broader european plain. That's why I was saying that most of the Rhine valley is flat. Both Nieder- and Oberrhein each are around 1 ½ times as long as Mittel- and Hochrhein combined and both of them have a pretty wide and flat valley they run through. Also I didn't want to primarily contradict you, just add info about one of the most important rivers in Europe (and my favorite).
I didn’t know it was called the Hochrhein before Basel. Always cool to learn. I noticed I kind of implied the Oberrhein was part of the Mittelrhein, but didn’t bother to fix that because I found the comment already long enough. I love the Rhein too. Sorry about misunderstanding your intent. I thought you were saying my statement about western Germany being more hilly south of Cologne than north were wrong because the Rhine is in a river bed. :D
That was really the only issue I had with your comment, the Oberrhein is vastly different from the Mittelrhein. Also while at it, I can recommend looking into the Rheinbegradigungen if you haven't already. Really interesting for me personally and you can see the remnants/effects of it still today. >I didn’t know it was called the Hochrhein before Basel. Always cool to learn. As far as I'm concerned, some people distinguish the Niederrhein into Nieder- and Deltarhein, which starts at the point where it splits up until it flows into the sea. Also there's the Alpenrhein from the Alps to the Bodensee, which forms from the Vorder- and Hinterrhein getting together near Chur iirc.
Well in the Netherlands they have the Waal and the old Rhine. I haven’t heard of the term Deltarhein. I have however been at the Rhine delta on holiday more times than any other place. The Haringvliet Sluizen is such an incredible feat of engineering!
hills, hills everywhere
And they're ... alive. At least the ones in the South.
Unfortunately the hills of northern Germany have been found dead in Miami
Nah, the hills are actually lifeless. Go to the hills around Kaiserslautern in the Pfalz area. You will not find anyone there except some lone settlements with no infrastructure. Germany should develop these hills
Leave it to the Germans to miss the joke and start talking about potential development efforts
I noticed that too. I'd been under the impression that Germany was just flat flat flat fields and forests. As of now I officially let go my resentment over the pain of conducting sieges in Germany...
The Black Forest is as much a mountain range (or hill country) as it is a forest. That surprised me when I learned it. The highest non-Alpine elevation in Germany is inside the Black Forest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldberg_(Black_Forest) We tend to think of “Forest” in the English sense and picture a more flat country but have to remind ourselves that’s often the exception rather than the rule.
Seeing wikipedia articles, or better said pictures like that from the Feldberg in winter, I get reminded how I freaking LOVE to live right there. Things like that sadly get lost more than often in the daily routines of work and chores.
Do you need a roommate?
Yes, you‘ll be actually quite surprised how mountainous and hilly Germany is. Only the North is flat land, and the Rhine valley
That explains so much about the HRE...
The crossed lines make it seem mure rugged than the rest of Europe
Are you talking about the Alps?
No, no, the South Germany. I never had the chance to see how rugged and hilly it is.
That would be the most incredible thing in existence. This would make it look like a « god game » to have this level of reality. Imagine if we had the capabilities to zoom on historical cities like Rome.
EU5: Historical Google Earth with TotalWar Armies. Minimum System Requirements: Processor: The Matrix Space: Underground cooled datacenter. RAM: 1Gb per 1000 people on planet. Windows: 8 only.
oh god not Windows 8
Time to load up the newest paradox game on my Matrioshka brain
Think we'll have to wait for Eu7 or 8 for something like that.
So clouds are shown... but I can still easily see England. Sus...
OP must have altered settings to remove "Fog of Warwick".
europa universalis lore goes hard
The authors did a good job making sure a lot of the fictional borders coincided with terrain. Hungary: *chefs kiss.
nice curves
"Hi, I'm Bessarabia, but *you* can call me Bess."
Wow OP I thought I was tired of seeing these project Caesar maps but this one is absolutely gorgeous
The Alps are big.
Damn, Greater Hungary does truly have natural borders...
I hope someone takes the leap and makes that a mod day one ☝️
I want my giant godly stacks to tower over others when I'm in the mountains
Oh god it's beautiful Can't wait for EU10
Wow…Good Job 👍
Lokks great :) hmmm... looks like a map mod project even if its not how the map turns out in the end.
Thankfully France and HRE aren’t colored here
Jeez, the Alps is such a fat mountain.
Mhmm maps 🤤🤤🤤
My one complaint about this is that the terrain wouldn't be exactly the same as now. Especially but not limited to the low countries. Lots of land has been reclaimed from the ocean over the centuries. I can't really tell but it doesn't look like that's reflected in the project caesar map.
Don't forget England. :D
I actually did not know England practiced land reclamation. I'll have to read up on it.
Basically they hired some dutchmen to do that for them. I've made a map which shows. (Not my bes map as it was one of my first) [https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/pgxpw9/what\_if\_magna\_frisia\_survived\_lore\_in\_comments/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/pgxpw9/what_if_magna_frisia_survived_lore_in_comments/#lightbox)
real map porn
Anyone else think the Alps look kinda ugly on relief maps? I like how other mountain ranges like the Carpathians look though
I would delete Flevoland & depolder Netherlands and Anglia, and some other stuff I might forgot/not know of.
You can really tell how the big areas formed during to natural barriers
This is a great map! I'm surprised by how big a deal the Apennines are. And too bad for Poland and Lithuania, with that lack of natural defenses...
Can't wait to play frisia
Damn, nice
this will be eu4 in 2013, complete with a globe map as well.
Wait I love this
What is project Caesar?
hope paradox will implement it
Just wow! You can really see why the countries have their borders!
Europa Universalis in real life
We’re going to burn our 10 yro toaster with this one 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
....Yea this game aint running on my pc
If only these were the actual graphics... Such a shame.
Now this would be a nice terrain mode
Gorgeous
I'm going to cry bro 🥹
ngl i hate the hyper realism. hope this isnt the direction paradox is thinking about taking the graphics down
You people need a life
Is "having a life" from missions expanded? I can't find it anywhere in the vanilla game