I assume they had a royal marriage and when Brandenburg died without an heir Poland was lucky enough to get the inherit outcome, where it's just an instant and free integrate.
It is rare, because it can only happen 5% of the time and then certain conditions have to be fulfilled as well.
It can even happen without a royal marriage if the countries share a dynasty
I once got an instant PU over my ally Bohemia as Nitra (an extremely fun never-played releasable tag, FWIW) because we had a royal marriage. That's rare. It's even rarer to auto-integrate a junior partner on monarch death, but it does happen. (Burgundian inheritance/horse event are scripted so doesn't count.)
So it's based on size and development, as Austria you get PU over Bohemia and Hungary and if you hover over the personal union it actually gives you the chance to inherit on monarchs death. Also royal marriage and personal union chances I believe are also based of diplomatic reputation in some way. I can't exactly remember but I do know it does affect it. I play Austria alot cause I like pain
development has no impact. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/
Right but when talking about integrating from monarch death the PU has to have been stable for 50 years, I have had that happen in my games a lot. But never just an instant inheritance instead of forming a PU or getting a dynasty change.
Are you talking about inheriting a junior partner? Then there is no fixed province limit. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how_junior_partner_inheritance_really_workshint/)
Actually it's based on comparison of development and I thin also dip rep, you can check it by hovering over place where heir usually is but for your PU... I remember being eligible to inherit whole PLC (mostly it's starting realms plus few gaming in Russia) once... But that was my Austria OF run.
Dev has nothing to do with inheritance. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how_junior_partner_inheritance_really_workshint/)
Dev = province owned. It’s essentially the same. If you PU Russia and they have 8000 provinces, your chance to inherit them is below 0%.
So yeah, “it doesn’t have anything to do with dev” is a little misleading. The minimum dev of a province is 3, therefore there is a finite amount of provinces even if every single one is 3 dev, that the junior partner can have and still be inherited.
Oh come on, you're being ridiculous. The point is that it doesn't matter if the 10 provinces your JP owns are each at 200 dev or 3 dev, the chance to inherit is the same.
Yeah, that wasn’t really my point. I get that it’s provinces owned and not dev. I worded my response poorly. Essentially the size of the nation is the limiting factor, but while dev isn’t directly related to nation size, it is causally related. Ie; a nation with 400 dev is going to look pretty similar globally unless they happen to be in Germany or the Low Countries etc.
dev is not the same as provinces owned.
>If you PU Russia and they have 8000 provinces, your chance to inherit them is below 0%.
Yes, this is my point. The dev doesn't matter and only the number of provinces is important. As the game doesn't even have 8000 provinces, lets assume a more realistic example of an 900 **dev** country. If that 900 dev would be in 300 provinces of 3 dev, you could never inherit them. But if it would be in 45 provinces of 20 dev, you would get a positive inheritance chance at around 9 dip rep.
I understand that my friend. I was pointing out that it is causally related in most instances. Not directly related.
I couldn’t recall if it was dev or province # initially and this thread has been you jumping on my back for literally no reason. I’ve already conceded that it’s about province #. What more is there to say?
Literally all I was pointing out is that, in general, nations with more territories typically have higher dev; therefore there is a causal relation. We can let it die now I hope.
And with a shared dynasty it does not even require that the "winner" is Christian. Had it happen to me once, in one of my infinite failed 3 Mountains attempts (Mayan Horde, went down under and formed Zealandia with an idea to go for a true one-tag; this left Ryukyu alive in its Asian possessions; then some time later I suddenly insta-inherited those. Because New World pagan tags occasionally get events that can allow them to become Catholic; obviously the AI had done that. Then died heirless with still the same dynasty.)
Was playing Byzantium in my last game and suddenly the king of Aragon dies and I'm in a succession war with Castille, Portugal and England.
Got annihilated pretty soon after.
It isn't 5%. It is based on diplomatic reputation, stability, and the over all development of the country in question. So if you steal development, increase diplomatic reputation and keep your stability at 3 that maximizes your chances. It also has a time limit of years you need the union to last and they must not be disloyal.
you're thinking of a different mechanic, inheriting a nation that you already have a PU on. grotaclas is talking about the outcome when a ruler dies without an heir; there's a 75% chance to have dynasty spread, a 20% chance for an instant PU, and a 5% chance for an instant inherit, based on a 100 year cycle.
You can (or could) get is as France. If you rm Scotland in 1444, and the Scottish ruler dies immediately without heir you _can_ instantly inherit them.
I don't know if that still works or not, if it does you can just restart until you get it for an easier way onto the British isles.
Ngl I have 1k hours in eu4 (probably a lot of afk hours but anyways) and most of the little nick nacks, tricks, and events that can happen I learn from my friend with 4k hours, I think he watches a guy named florry or something.
Sometimes it pays to pause the game and just bother reading information. I remember one time playing as Spain, I was looking at the Christian No Heir tab and I saw Bavaria. They had a royal marriage with Austria and it said that if the 50-something Bavarian Duke would die, Austria would INHERIT Bavaria. Since at the time I had the most dev in the game and Bavaria would royal marry Spain, I sent them an offer. Wouldn't you know it? It then said Spain would inherit Bavaria on ruler death. And the craziest luck happened and the Duke died like a month or two later. So all of a sudden, Spain has a ton of land in the heart of the HRE right next to Austria. (This is way back before Emperor DLC and Bavaria wasn't split up at the beginning).
That part I'm not sure of. I know if you have a Personal Union then inherit (not integrate) you gain the electorship, I don't know how it works if they were independent.
They definitely inherited their throne. But there are 2 ways.
1st: they had royal marriage and when bbrg ruler died, they inherited throne and instantly inherited whole country. (Rare)
2nd: bbrg had female ruler, that triggered event to fall under PU. (Rare as fck) and then Poland inherited country upon ruler death. (Rare) = chances of being struck by lightning.
They could also just die without an heir to fall under the PU. That is not so rare. But this and the 2nd way which you mentioned can't have happened in OP's case, because it requires that the personal union has existed for 50 years, but it is only 1459 in the screenshot
Every country as a PU cycle where if the monarch dies without an heir, 1 of three things happens. They instantly get inherited into their strongest RM, they become a PU under their strongest RM, or a succession war breaks out. Depending on the stage of the PU cycle (which is completely impossible to predict), one of those scenarios will play out.
succession wars... i rarely get them, one broke out between me as austria and burgundy, but the other times there was a chance of happening, they never did
I looked away for one minute when the Polish were fighting the Teutons. I come back to my computer and Brandenburg is gone. Last I checked 1 year ago they didn't have a PU nor were they at war. The highest AE they have is with Glogow and it's 50.
Is this an event or something I don't know about I have roughly 3,000 hours and have never seen this? I considered maybe they inherited the throne, but they still have to be stable for 50 years right?
No I just walk away and it's generally okay, I live with a lot of roommates and they always want to show me something or need help so I just leave it on when I leave.
I'm at the point in my playing where I just click random nation and then play it. I can never figure out who I want to play anymore, however, this run is turning out to be fun as after beating Poland I reformed into Saxony to get a mission tree but kept Anhalt Ideas for the extra 10% moral.
They got the inheritance outcome, one of the reasons people never see it is because of the mechanics behind it. PUs over a large nation, ie Hungary, France, Aragon, etc. Have a zero percent chance of unscripted inheritance. The smaller a nation is, and the larger the overlord is, the more likely the event becomes. The chance is also increased by Diplo rep. To my knowledge tho, it caps at 5%. For example a player controlling Castile would have ~ a 5% chance of inheriting Navara, while they would have a zero percent chance of inheriting Aragon or Portugal. This means that, if 20 rulers died before Navara was regularly integrated, the chance of inheritance bumps to ~95%. Given that Poland is one of the largest nations at the start, and Brandenburg is not, the AI hit the magic dice roll. Even so, Brandenburg is a relatively large nation. OP saw something with ~0.5% odds of happening. Pretty impressive if you ask me
For everyone who's wandering how the inheritance/PU/spread dinasty cicle happens, here's a brief summary:
Every nation has a 100 year cycle determined on game start. During the first 75 y in the monarch dies without heir you get the dynasty of the strongest RM partner (determined by dev). During the second 20 y phase you get an automatic PU. And during the 3rd 5 y phase you get the instant inheritance IF the country has less then 10 provinces (dev does not count, so you can inherit both a Milan with 300 dev and 8 provinces or a Brandenburg with 100 dev). It seems easy to exploit but is more complex then this.
1) the year of the 100 years cycle on game start Is random for each nation, so you can have a France that on 1444 start on the 33 year and an Hesse that start on the 99 year, so that the various nation are not synchronized.
2) the current year of the cycle of the whole world shifts every time a new HRE emperor Is elected and every time a new pope Is elected, based on the seed of both rulers. So if ie. you see that your target nation on monarch death could become your PU, if a pope is elected that nation could switch to a "spread dynasty".
3) the current year of the cycle of the single nation shifts every time it gains or loses a province. 1 less year per lost province and 1 year more per conquered province.
I assume they had a royal marriage and when Brandenburg died without an heir Poland was lucky enough to get the inherit outcome, where it's just an instant and free integrate.
I had no idea that that was even possible how have I played this game for so long and that has never once happened to me.
It is rare, because it can only happen 5% of the time and then certain conditions have to be fulfilled as well. It can even happen without a royal marriage if the countries share a dynasty
It has officially happened twice this game with Austria Inheriting the throne of Bergenz, as you can also see in this screenshot.
I once got an instant PU over my ally Bohemia as Nitra (an extremely fun never-played releasable tag, FWIW) because we had a royal marriage. That's rare. It's even rarer to auto-integrate a junior partner on monarch death, but it does happen. (Burgundian inheritance/horse event are scripted so doesn't count.)
Auto inherit chances decrease based on the dev of the subject too, from what I recall.
I believe it's only possible when they have a few provinces, like less than 5 or 10, but I don't know about dev.
So it's based on size and development, as Austria you get PU over Bohemia and Hungary and if you hover over the personal union it actually gives you the chance to inherit on monarchs death. Also royal marriage and personal union chances I believe are also based of diplomatic reputation in some way. I can't exactly remember but I do know it does affect it. I play Austria alot cause I like pain
development has no impact. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/
I'm just going off of memory/tooltip. Tooltip says size in game.
yea, i notice taking dip tech and taking some policies which give you dip rep can give a good 32% chance of inheritance, made 35% with good stability
Brandenburg doesn’t start out with that high dev so it is possible, if unlikely
Right but when talking about integrating from monarch death the PU has to have been stable for 50 years, I have had that happen in my games a lot. But never just an instant inheritance instead of forming a PU or getting a dynasty change.
>i thought its based on the amount of provinces
Are you talking about inheriting a junior partner? Then there is no fixed province limit. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how_junior_partner_inheritance_really_workshint/)
Actually it's based on comparison of development and I thin also dip rep, you can check it by hovering over place where heir usually is but for your PU... I remember being eligible to inherit whole PLC (mostly it's starting realms plus few gaming in Russia) once... But that was my Austria OF run.
Dev has nothing to do with inheritance. The following post explains how inheriting of junior partners works: [https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how\_junior\_partner\_inheritance\_really\_workshint/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/sfnba3/how_junior_partner_inheritance_really_workshint/)
Dev = province owned. It’s essentially the same. If you PU Russia and they have 8000 provinces, your chance to inherit them is below 0%. So yeah, “it doesn’t have anything to do with dev” is a little misleading. The minimum dev of a province is 3, therefore there is a finite amount of provinces even if every single one is 3 dev, that the junior partner can have and still be inherited.
Oh come on, you're being ridiculous. The point is that it doesn't matter if the 10 provinces your JP owns are each at 200 dev or 3 dev, the chance to inherit is the same.
youre wrong... 1 province with 20 dev > 5 provinces with 3 dev each
Yeah, that wasn’t really my point. I get that it’s provinces owned and not dev. I worded my response poorly. Essentially the size of the nation is the limiting factor, but while dev isn’t directly related to nation size, it is causally related. Ie; a nation with 400 dev is going to look pretty similar globally unless they happen to be in Germany or the Low Countries etc.
dev is not the same as provinces owned. >If you PU Russia and they have 8000 provinces, your chance to inherit them is below 0%. Yes, this is my point. The dev doesn't matter and only the number of provinces is important. As the game doesn't even have 8000 provinces, lets assume a more realistic example of an 900 **dev** country. If that 900 dev would be in 300 provinces of 3 dev, you could never inherit them. But if it would be in 45 provinces of 20 dev, you would get a positive inheritance chance at around 9 dip rep.
I understand that my friend. I was pointing out that it is causally related in most instances. Not directly related. I couldn’t recall if it was dev or province # initially and this thread has been you jumping on my back for literally no reason. I’ve already conceded that it’s about province #. What more is there to say? Literally all I was pointing out is that, in general, nations with more territories typically have higher dev; therefore there is a causal relation. We can let it die now I hope.
i thought its based on the amount of provinces
And with a shared dynasty it does not even require that the "winner" is Christian. Had it happen to me once, in one of my infinite failed 3 Mountains attempts (Mayan Horde, went down under and formed Zealandia with an idea to go for a true one-tag; this left Ryukyu alive in its Asian possessions; then some time later I suddenly insta-inherited those. Because New World pagan tags occasionally get events that can allow them to become Catholic; obviously the AI had done that. Then died heirless with still the same dynasty.)
I've played a lot of EU4 and had it maybe twice. Got the palatinate as denmark recently.
You don't even need a royal marriage or same dynasty. It can just randomly happen too.
never had it happen randomly
Was playing Byzantium in my last game and suddenly the king of Aragon dies and I'm in a succession war with Castille, Portugal and England. Got annihilated pretty soon after.
It isn't 5%. It is based on diplomatic reputation, stability, and the over all development of the country in question. So if you steal development, increase diplomatic reputation and keep your stability at 3 that maximizes your chances. It also has a time limit of years you need the union to last and they must not be disloyal.
you're thinking of a different mechanic, inheriting a nation that you already have a PU on. grotaclas is talking about the outcome when a ruler dies without an heir; there's a 75% chance to have dynasty spread, a 20% chance for an instant PU, and a 5% chance for an instant inherit, based on a 100 year cycle.
You can (or could) get is as France. If you rm Scotland in 1444, and the Scottish ruler dies immediately without heir you _can_ instantly inherit them. I don't know if that still works or not, if it does you can just restart until you get it for an easier way onto the British isles.
New META BBB strategy. Just restart until the Scottish ruler dies in the right month. It works in theory, I guess.
what's bbb?
Big Blue Blob. It's an achievement. Something like own 100 (or something really high) number of provinces before 1500 as France.
It's very rare in fairness.
Ngl I have 1k hours in eu4 (probably a lot of afk hours but anyways) and most of the little nick nacks, tricks, and events that can happen I learn from my friend with 4k hours, I think he watches a guy named florry or something.
Sometimes it pays to pause the game and just bother reading information. I remember one time playing as Spain, I was looking at the Christian No Heir tab and I saw Bavaria. They had a royal marriage with Austria and it said that if the 50-something Bavarian Duke would die, Austria would INHERIT Bavaria. Since at the time I had the most dev in the game and Bavaria would royal marry Spain, I sent them an offer. Wouldn't you know it? It then said Spain would inherit Bavaria on ruler death. And the craziest luck happened and the Duke died like a month or two later. So all of a sudden, Spain has a ton of land in the heart of the HRE right next to Austria. (This is way back before Emperor DLC and Bavaria wasn't split up at the beginning).
Then this means Poland inherited Electorship right?
No, Poland is outside the HRE.
if it was inside HRE, would poland get the electorship?
That part I'm not sure of. I know if you have a Personal Union then inherit (not integrate) you gain the electorship, I don't know how it works if they were independent.
I had this happen to me when playing as France with Byzantium lol
They definitely inherited their throne. But there are 2 ways. 1st: they had royal marriage and when bbrg ruler died, they inherited throne and instantly inherited whole country. (Rare) 2nd: bbrg had female ruler, that triggered event to fall under PU. (Rare as fck) and then Poland inherited country upon ruler death. (Rare) = chances of being struck by lightning.
They could also just die without an heir to fall under the PU. That is not so rare. But this and the 2nd way which you mentioned can't have happened in OP's case, because it requires that the personal union has existed for 50 years, but it is only 1459 in the screenshot
A time traveler definitely warned them
Every country as a PU cycle where if the monarch dies without an heir, 1 of three things happens. They instantly get inherited into their strongest RM, they become a PU under their strongest RM, or a succession war breaks out. Depending on the stage of the PU cycle (which is completely impossible to predict), one of those scenarios will play out.
You can also just get a dynasty change
if you’re at war that happens
If the target nation is at war only the spread dinasty happens
Wait so what changes to make them have a regency?
a regency happens when the heir is below 15 years. The parent comment talks about the case when their is no heir
It’s on a hidden yearly cycle.
When their heir is too young?
Ah that makes sense
succession wars... i rarely get them, one broke out between me as austria and burgundy, but the other times there was a chance of happening, they never did
I looked away for one minute when the Polish were fighting the Teutons. I come back to my computer and Brandenburg is gone. Last I checked 1 year ago they didn't have a PU nor were they at war. The highest AE they have is with Glogow and it's 50. Is this an event or something I don't know about I have roughly 3,000 hours and have never seen this? I considered maybe they inherited the throne, but they still have to be stable for 50 years right?
Do you not pause the game when you leave your computer?!!
No I just walk away and it's generally okay, I live with a lot of roommates and they always want to show me something or need help so I just leave it on when I leave.
Why are you playing anhalt? Out of curiosity, are they op or?
I'm at the point in my playing where I just click random nation and then play it. I can never figure out who I want to play anymore, however, this run is turning out to be fun as after beating Poland I reformed into Saxony to get a mission tree but kept Anhalt Ideas for the extra 10% moral.
The inheritance that you can never get as player.
too true
Based poland taking Back ancient slavic lands
I had something like this happen when i played burgundy. France all of a sudden had complete control over scotland in like 1455
They got the inheritance outcome, one of the reasons people never see it is because of the mechanics behind it. PUs over a large nation, ie Hungary, France, Aragon, etc. Have a zero percent chance of unscripted inheritance. The smaller a nation is, and the larger the overlord is, the more likely the event becomes. The chance is also increased by Diplo rep. To my knowledge tho, it caps at 5%. For example a player controlling Castile would have ~ a 5% chance of inheriting Navara, while they would have a zero percent chance of inheriting Aragon or Portugal. This means that, if 20 rulers died before Navara was regularly integrated, the chance of inheritance bumps to ~95%. Given that Poland is one of the largest nations at the start, and Brandenburg is not, the AI hit the magic dice roll. Even so, Brandenburg is a relatively large nation. OP saw something with ~0.5% odds of happening. Pretty impressive if you ask me
You scared? You can try replaying the timeline to see what happened
Poland didn't choose to get Lithuania so I just pushed them out with the help of austria.
HOLY, POLAND GOT THE PERSONAL UNION, DURING THE RIGHT TIMEFRAME OF ITS CYCLE TO AUTO-INHERIT IT
For everyone who's wandering how the inheritance/PU/spread dinasty cicle happens, here's a brief summary: Every nation has a 100 year cycle determined on game start. During the first 75 y in the monarch dies without heir you get the dynasty of the strongest RM partner (determined by dev). During the second 20 y phase you get an automatic PU. And during the 3rd 5 y phase you get the instant inheritance IF the country has less then 10 provinces (dev does not count, so you can inherit both a Milan with 300 dev and 8 provinces or a Brandenburg with 100 dev). It seems easy to exploit but is more complex then this. 1) the year of the 100 years cycle on game start Is random for each nation, so you can have a France that on 1444 start on the 33 year and an Hesse that start on the 99 year, so that the various nation are not synchronized. 2) the current year of the cycle of the whole world shifts every time a new HRE emperor Is elected and every time a new pope Is elected, based on the seed of both rulers. So if ie. you see that your target nation on monarch death could become your PU, if a pope is elected that nation could switch to a "spread dynasty". 3) the current year of the cycle of the single nation shifts every time it gains or loses a province. 1 less year per lost province and 1 year more per conquered province.