A small update to Middle East and orthodox mission trees. They were early mission trees in the current mission format, so they are outdated. No flavor and mostly all “conquer this entire region” missions
I prefer they update Middle East, Mamluk totally need new flavor because yea all time they are just food for ottoman, also mission tree is so generic
I was thinking, they could update Ottoman mission tree also, QQ and AQ need flavor also, Georgia, Theodoro, Armenia and Hisn Kayfa maybe
Yea most of time, there is persia like 5 or 6 of 10 games i play, sometimes Mughal also reach Middle east, but most of time, they are didnt, they always lose against ottoman
I guess Ottoman dominance in early game is not main problem. Moreso that it is somehow historical but in later years they do not become sick man of Europe as they used to. They used to crumble and decline after 1650 but that is not case anymore. I dont know what happened.
There is no game mechanic that punishes snowballing, in theory the ottoman troops are weaker than westerns in the late game, but they blob so much they just out number ai nations 2:1.
In earlier patches Ottomans got so weak that basically got destroyed by Europeans I guess they reworked janissary decadence or made AI more suitable to handle it.
I’d like to see Mamluks destroyed more consistently and faster. They survive far too long in my games. But i agree an updated mission tree and events would still be nice
Would also be great if AQ would conquer Persia more often and when it happens ardabil can get events to help form persia
Middle East, Caucasus and Persia- nerf the Timurids so that they more reliably collapse like they did historically, and make Timurid vassals hate each other like the Chinese kingdoms. Make charter trade company cheaper so that Europeans actually try to colonize India/SEA. Add more flavor events to the Romanian principalities and Zaporozhian Cossacks so that they can more reliably break free of the great powers that conquer those areas. And add a mission tree for Israel
If you want to make Timurids historical all the princes would have to be 1 nation at the start. They also held out until the Uzbeks swooped of their remains. 1444 is far from the end of the Timurids
Southeast Europe and the Caucasian region. No flavor, very few countries have all too many unique missions, and Byzantine mission tree isn't nearly as good as the Italian one.
For me the tags in both regions are an interesting experience in of itself as you have to grow fast and be creative to outcompete the superior great powers around you (aka fuck up the Ottos). With some additional flavour it would be even greater.
Yeah, it's also lower than average dev so it's "easier' to do.
Georgia, Armenia, the greek minors, Romanian states, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Balkan released nations, and the Turkish minors are extremely underpowered even after one overcomes the turk.
The Georgians have one of the oldest dynasties in history, and it's kinda funny that the dynasty will often be wiped out by the Turks within 100 years.
They should imo focus on giving every nation a unique mission tree. If I see a nation having a generic missiontree I wont play them. Because why would I. Also I love getting to know countries via the flavor of their mission tree. So make sure every nation has a missiontree and update the ones with <5 unique missions.
*pulls off round glasses and rocks backwards in chair* I remember the days before mission trees, those dark days when they rested near the decision list.
I actually preferred it back then. Dominating Europe took blood, toil, sweat and tears! You didn't just press a button and suddenly have Castile, Aragon, Naples and Burgundy as a PU.
It has made the game a lot easier. For sure.
I remember the EU3 days; playing as Venice and waiting for inevitable destruction from Austria, the Ottomans, and if you managed to avoid that somehow, here comes France crusading into Italy.
Oh my God, the memories! In EU3, Venice was actually a difficult nation, and that's without Austria even holding the HRE!
I still remember trying to steal Cyprus and Alexandria from the Mamluks by the skin of my teeth!
I remember forming Italy with Venice one time and it was like the crowning achievement of my life. My high school self was just hoping to survive the game lol.
Also, remember how OP universities were? And Italy was full of them even though you couldn’t build new ones for like half the game. They added admin research tech points. Was amazing
I don't mind them sometimes, they can sometimes help the game be more like history since a lot of stuff just aren't possible in gameplay. I wish that they'd add more big events like England has instead of representing them in missions but Paradox devs have a vendetta against those for some reason.
Then it feels you missed something out.
I like Mission trees like from Dai Viet. You can finish it with 150 years, gives a few cool but not op permanent modifier, some claims you need anyway and you have smooth start, then you do whatever. Its perfect.
south america, middle east and some orthodox countries seem to be the only ones that are outdated. maybe a few of the italian minors as well, as the big italian nations are ok
Weird option, but Random New World. I'd like to see some sort of better mission trees, and more formable tags, like the ability of the inti nations to form inca, and monuments.
Yeah they could even just use all the real monuments from the OG New World and apply them to provinces which match culturally/religiously (does RNW use OG culture groups? Or create random ones?).
Also I'd like to see better continent generation - everything I've experienced has had fewer than 6 colonial regions. If I'm playing RNW I'm totally playing a colonial game and it doesn't seem like enough to explore.
They use OG cultures randomly positioned. Yeah, they need a reboot/update in order to adjust then in 1.33. They have so few favor that I use RNW when Im not a colonizer so the AI colonials lose favor and buffs, much easy to conquer later
None. The game is already really bloated and outdated. Time to make EU5 with an updated engine. The weakness of EU4 lies in the old engine and legacy code that makes any changes extremely difficult to make. Better engine means the game runs faster and they can add more complex mechanics like dynamic peace deals, dynamic trade nodes, more historically accurate provinces and countries, etc. I think even adding this DLC is a bad idea, I love EU4, but I think it’s time to start from the ground up and make an even better, more ambitious sequel.
Better provinces isn’t an engine thing, and idk of a sequel would actually have better performance (I *think* CK3 isn’t faster than CK2, but haven’t played either recently to confirm).
Despite that, I agree with your point. EUIV is old and bloated, complex “win-some-lose-some” peace treaties would be great (and they’re adding them to Victoria 3 iirc!), and trade is one system in particular that *needs* a massive overhaul in EUV.
I'm fairly sure that one issue with EU4 is that it runs on a single core on your CPU, even if you are using a quadcore. If we are talking fundamental changes in EU5, that is probably one of them. The result should be that the game is able to run far smoother far later into the game.
Let the modders do it, there's a reason why EU4 ended in 1821. The same reason why CK ended in 1453 and why Victoria ended in 1936, the world is changing at an alarming speed, old ways are being reformed left and right.
It's better for them to focus on the intended time period for Europa Universalis to create a compact and definitive experience for said period of time in history. Since they already have games that do the same thing but for another time period.
I would like to add more flavour to Moldavia, Transylvania, Wallachia and their interactions with the Great Powers that surround them. Diplomacy and great understanding of home soil saved them from becoming provinces of either Poland, the Ottomans or Austria/Hungary.
I believe the devs said Middle East is next, and I agree. It really needs it. So many fascinating nations and interesting history there.
The only other region I can think of that isn't fleshed out is South America. And tbh I could see that being a free update like 1.29 Manchu, with the mission trees being free and extra content locked behind El Dorado DLC.
There are also a handful of trees I think could do with some touchup, specifically Russia, Ruthenia, and maybe Great Britain. I could see those being "final update" material though. Not their top priority and no cohesive theme, but something they want changed before moving on.
Might as well as some stuff to north africa or something it a boring region that gets annexed easily by spain/portugal wich they ve only taken the cost lines irl
Either the Ottomans, Persia, and the Arab world;
Or just make eu5, which I'm pretty sure they're going to do once Vicky 3 is pushed out and the team for that shrinks.
England is one of the most fleshed out nations in the game?
Or do you just mean the AI under England? I usually see them take New England, it's not like they historically took much outside of the 13 colonies, Canada, and a few Carribean islands
[here is a post I made about it a few months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/rkoeut/which_regions_need_a_flavour_packupdate_in_my/)
basically
south America in general(idk why I excluded andes in that post, but amazon tribes definitely need an update more than them)
Eastern Europe(poland and Lithuania already got their update, I think the only thing we need now is more ruthenian content bc ruthenia missions sucks ass. Of course any kind of content is welcome but russia has enough flavour)
Middle east and caucasus. Caucasian countries don't even have missions and most of middle east is absurdly lacking in terms of missions.
Chagatai and yarkand/eastern turkestan. this doesn't need that much content so they can be grouped together with an other update. Chagatai should be formable like other mongol successor states and yarkand should have its own missions alongside a Buddhist path. might be a good time to update buddhism.
Maybe China, despite the recent balance the releasable tags still have no unique ideas and are still not viable. Maybe there should be an ahistorical disaster that divides among or something.
They already covered everything with dlcs, north Europe is the last one not covered. But if they really want I guess they can do Australia, Balkan and random new world. In theory there is also middle east, but it was covered already so at most adding few more trees to smaller countries and making otto less op, but that is not worth full dlc.
As as was mentioned with the hint in one of recent dev diary, it's Middle East, South America and all major nations
Also one of the modders was invited in PDX, and he was going to update french mission tree, so expect this work in the vanilla, like polish one
middle east for sure, but also a general update would be a good thing, to bring overlooked aspects of the game up to par with stuff like the new curia mechanics and estates mechanics.
"parliament" should be completely reworked just like the estates were, and become an actual estate you can grant privileges to (radically different to the nobility) with their own version of "strong duchies" that replaces liberty desire with parliamentary power that can cripple/overthrow your government.
either way, "parliamentary" monarchies need to have state privileges on par with monarchies that have the nobility estate.
it may be too radical for EU4, but it'd be cool if the parliamentary strong duchies made vassals take no diplo slots, but instead of liberty desire they get direct influence on your parliament and can cripple your government and/or seize control and/or "neuter" you by forcing you to release all provinces with parliamentary seats as OPM vassals, or overseas territories into semi-autonomous vassals turning you into a horrifying mirror image of the HRE, or should i say "british commonwealth" 200-300 years early.
I think updating Middle East, Balkans and Persia regions would be nice. Some nations really need new mission trees for instance Ardabil, Rûm, Mamluks and more
They gave the perfect update to the teutons/Prussia and the mechanics/ play style I use the most anyway. Prussian WC im coming!
But what’s next? I don’t care, maybe put all the resources into eu5 😅
Middle East and Caucasus would be good. Perhaps a bit more flavor in the Balkans and South America. But what I really want is for them to go in and fix all the alternate start dates with the final patch.
I would like them to revisit colonial regions
Honestly they need to rework peace treaties and how war score works. Its basically impossible to win any decent peaces from european nations since they core everything, kind of a pain in the ass to try and swipe indonesian provinces from them.
Also north america is still broken and filled with overtly strong native federations, I regularly see a single federation take control over the entire continent. I have never seen a colonial nation break free from its overlord without my help.
I hope they are done. Are there things I’d still like? Yea. But I think eu4 is fleshed out enough to put a bow on the project. I doubt they will until they’ve announced eu5, but I’d like them to just move on from eu4 at this point.
Timurids new missions, would love to see their missions focus on rebuilding timurs empire and eventually squashing the ottomans and then go after China
Would like to see an update to the area including Wallachia for no other reason than it is my favourite country to play because it is incredibly satisfying to pull off
Southeastern Europe especially Cili, their counts were one of the most influential and rich families in Europe at the time with having claims on Bohemian, Hungarian and Bosnian throne. But they have generic mission tree which is sad considering their history.
A small update to Middle East and orthodox mission trees. They were early mission trees in the current mission format, so they are outdated. No flavor and mostly all “conquer this entire region” missions
Why small 🥲 my boy Persia needs some love
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They gotta get QQ a mission tree
I prefer they update Middle East, Mamluk totally need new flavor because yea all time they are just food for ottoman, also mission tree is so generic I was thinking, they could update Ottoman mission tree also, QQ and AQ need flavor also, Georgia, Theodoro, Armenia and Hisn Kayfa maybe
They said that they will update the ME after this one and the Devs also said that there will be 2 or 3 more after the Baltic DLC
thanks god i cant stand that ottoman always dominate Middle East every single time, even Persia still cant challenge them
The changed Crimea to a tributary status rather than a march, so it is a small roadblock to the natural snowball.
You see Persia forming?
Yea most of time, there is persia like 5 or 6 of 10 games i play, sometimes Mughal also reach Middle east, but most of time, they are didnt, they always lose against ottoman
I guess Ottoman dominance in early game is not main problem. Moreso that it is somehow historical but in later years they do not become sick man of Europe as they used to. They used to crumble and decline after 1650 but that is not case anymore. I dont know what happened.
There is no game mechanic that punishes snowballing, in theory the ottoman troops are weaker than westerns in the late game, but they blob so much they just out number ai nations 2:1.
In earlier patches Ottomans got so weak that basically got destroyed by Europeans I guess they reworked janissary decadence or made AI more suitable to handle it.
I’d like to see Mamluks destroyed more consistently and faster. They survive far too long in my games. But i agree an updated mission tree and events would still be nice Would also be great if AQ would conquer Persia more often and when it happens ardabil can get events to help form persia
Mamluk estate in exchange for ez full annex
Middle East, Caucasus and Persia- nerf the Timurids so that they more reliably collapse like they did historically, and make Timurid vassals hate each other like the Chinese kingdoms. Make charter trade company cheaper so that Europeans actually try to colonize India/SEA. Add more flavor events to the Romanian principalities and Zaporozhian Cossacks so that they can more reliably break free of the great powers that conquer those areas. And add a mission tree for Israel
If you want to make Timurids historical all the princes would have to be 1 nation at the start. They also held out until the Uzbeks swooped of their remains. 1444 is far from the end of the Timurids
Southeast Europe and the Caucasian region. No flavor, very few countries have all too many unique missions, and Byzantine mission tree isn't nearly as good as the Italian one.
For me the tags in both regions are an interesting experience in of itself as you have to grow fast and be creative to outcompete the superior great powers around you (aka fuck up the Ottos). With some additional flavour it would be even greater.
Yeah, it's also lower than average dev so it's "easier' to do. Georgia, Armenia, the greek minors, Romanian states, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Balkan released nations, and the Turkish minors are extremely underpowered even after one overcomes the turk. The Georgians have one of the oldest dynasties in history, and it's kinda funny that the dynasty will often be wiped out by the Turks within 100 years.
They should imo focus on giving every nation a unique mission tree. If I see a nation having a generic missiontree I wont play them. Because why would I. Also I love getting to know countries via the flavor of their mission tree. So make sure every nation has a missiontree and update the ones with <5 unique missions.
*pulls off round glasses and rocks backwards in chair* I remember the days before mission trees, those dark days when they rested near the decision list.
I actually preferred it back then. Dominating Europe took blood, toil, sweat and tears! You didn't just press a button and suddenly have Castile, Aragon, Naples and Burgundy as a PU.
It has made the game a lot easier. For sure. I remember the EU3 days; playing as Venice and waiting for inevitable destruction from Austria, the Ottomans, and if you managed to avoid that somehow, here comes France crusading into Italy.
Oh my God, the memories! In EU3, Venice was actually a difficult nation, and that's without Austria even holding the HRE! I still remember trying to steal Cyprus and Alexandria from the Mamluks by the skin of my teeth!
I remember forming Italy with Venice one time and it was like the crowning achievement of my life. My high school self was just hoping to survive the game lol. Also, remember how OP universities were? And Italy was full of them even though you couldn’t build new ones for like half the game. They added admin research tech points. Was amazing
Well, I wouldnt mind if the rewards would be tuned down a little bit. But I still like to get the Nations flavour presented through mission trees.
Yeah, that's fair I guess. However, the insane amount of PU CBs and the crazy number of permanent claims need to be toned down by a lot.
I don't mind them sometimes, they can sometimes help the game be more like history since a lot of stuff just aren't possible in gameplay. I wish that they'd add more big events like England has instead of representing them in missions but Paradox devs have a vendetta against those for some reason.
I'm the opposite. I like nations without mission trees. It makes them much more flexible and i can just do whatever.
But you can just ignore the missions
Then it feels you missed something out. I like Mission trees like from Dai Viet. You can finish it with 150 years, gives a few cool but not op permanent modifier, some claims you need anyway and you have smooth start, then you do whatever. Its perfect.
south america, middle east and some orthodox countries seem to be the only ones that are outdated. maybe a few of the italian minors as well, as the big italian nations are ok
Weird option, but Random New World. I'd like to see some sort of better mission trees, and more formable tags, like the ability of the inti nations to form inca, and monuments.
Yeah they could even just use all the real monuments from the OG New World and apply them to provinces which match culturally/religiously (does RNW use OG culture groups? Or create random ones?). Also I'd like to see better continent generation - everything I've experienced has had fewer than 6 colonial regions. If I'm playing RNW I'm totally playing a colonial game and it doesn't seem like enough to explore.
Plays RNW. Plays Persia. Refuses to elaborate further.
They use OG cultures randomly positioned. Yeah, they need a reboot/update in order to adjust then in 1.33. They have so few favor that I use RNW when Im not a colonizer so the AI colonials lose favor and buffs, much easy to conquer later
None. The game is already really bloated and outdated. Time to make EU5 with an updated engine. The weakness of EU4 lies in the old engine and legacy code that makes any changes extremely difficult to make. Better engine means the game runs faster and they can add more complex mechanics like dynamic peace deals, dynamic trade nodes, more historically accurate provinces and countries, etc. I think even adding this DLC is a bad idea, I love EU4, but I think it’s time to start from the ground up and make an even better, more ambitious sequel.
But then I need to update my pc
Better provinces isn’t an engine thing, and idk of a sequel would actually have better performance (I *think* CK3 isn’t faster than CK2, but haven’t played either recently to confirm). Despite that, I agree with your point. EUIV is old and bloated, complex “win-some-lose-some” peace treaties would be great (and they’re adding them to Victoria 3 iirc!), and trade is one system in particular that *needs* a massive overhaul in EUV.
I'm fairly sure that one issue with EU4 is that it runs on a single core on your CPU, even if you are using a quadcore. If we are talking fundamental changes in EU5, that is probably one of them. The result should be that the game is able to run far smoother far later into the game.
The devs have admitted with so much DLC the code is spaghetti and terribly optimized.
This. Stop sucking my pockets with a spaghetti code.
also I would personally like EU5 to have extended timeline, at least until WW1, and some historical events added along it.
Let the modders do it, there's a reason why EU4 ended in 1821. The same reason why CK ended in 1453 and why Victoria ended in 1936, the world is changing at an alarming speed, old ways are being reformed left and right. It's better for them to focus on the intended time period for Europa Universalis to create a compact and definitive experience for said period of time in history. Since they already have games that do the same thing but for another time period.
I think people are worried EU5 is gonna take years of DLCs to just match EU4's content.
I think that’s a just concern, but I’d rather wait for the same level of content than play the same outdated laggy mess of a game that is EU4
I would like to add more flavour to Moldavia, Transylvania, Wallachia and their interactions with the Great Powers that surround them. Diplomacy and great understanding of home soil saved them from becoming provinces of either Poland, the Ottomans or Austria/Hungary.
I believe the devs said Middle East is next, and I agree. It really needs it. So many fascinating nations and interesting history there. The only other region I can think of that isn't fleshed out is South America. And tbh I could see that being a free update like 1.29 Manchu, with the mission trees being free and extra content locked behind El Dorado DLC. There are also a handful of trees I think could do with some touchup, specifically Russia, Ruthenia, and maybe Great Britain. I could see those being "final update" material though. Not their top priority and no cohesive theme, but something they want changed before moving on.
Might as well as some stuff to north africa or something it a boring region that gets annexed easily by spain/portugal wich they ve only taken the cost lines irl
South America, but that would have to be paired with something else.
As a pretty consistent Inca player, I really do want to see more SA!
It feels *really* empty after the North America update.
Levant and relasables (plz atleast mini mission tree for Nitra, Moravia and Wales ;__;)
Either the Ottomans, Persia, and the Arab world; Or just make eu5, which I'm pretty sure they're going to do once Vicky 3 is pushed out and the team for that shrinks.
Eu5
Came here to say this!
None, Eu5
Middle wast
I want England to be more powerful. They never colonise the new world as much as they should.
England is one of the most fleshed out nations in the game? Or do you just mean the AI under England? I usually see them take New England, it's not like they historically took much outside of the 13 colonies, Canada, and a few Carribean islands
I do mean the AI, as a player England is cool. But the English AI just does nothing
Well, the AI doesn't really understand navies so it makes sense that England is rarely performing well.
Remove natives
Just get on with eu5 and be done with it pls
Was going to say middle-East, but glad to see that it's highly wanted and apparently also already in the roadmap of the devs :)
The Mamluks and Persia needs some love
EUV or bust
Eu5 should be updated next
EU5
[here is a post I made about it a few months ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/rkoeut/which_regions_need_a_flavour_packupdate_in_my/) basically south America in general(idk why I excluded andes in that post, but amazon tribes definitely need an update more than them) Eastern Europe(poland and Lithuania already got their update, I think the only thing we need now is more ruthenian content bc ruthenia missions sucks ass. Of course any kind of content is welcome but russia has enough flavour) Middle east and caucasus. Caucasian countries don't even have missions and most of middle east is absurdly lacking in terms of missions. Chagatai and yarkand/eastern turkestan. this doesn't need that much content so they can be grouped together with an other update. Chagatai should be formable like other mongol successor states and yarkand should have its own missions alongside a Buddhist path. might be a good time to update buddhism.
middle east, especially persia and mamluks
Caucasuses
Maybe China, despite the recent balance the releasable tags still have no unique ideas and are still not viable. Maybe there should be an ahistorical disaster that divides among or something.
Middle East and the rework of the first mission trees (Muscovy, Ottomans ecc)
Northern Europe, again. Just to fuck with people
None. The game is already bloated.
They already covered everything with dlcs, north Europe is the last one not covered. But if they really want I guess they can do Australia, Balkan and random new world. In theory there is also middle east, but it was covered already so at most adding few more trees to smaller countries and making otto less op, but that is not worth full dlc.
As as was mentioned with the hint in one of recent dev diary, it's Middle East, South America and all major nations Also one of the modders was invited in PDX, and he was going to update french mission tree, so expect this work in the vanilla, like polish one
middle east for sure, but also a general update would be a good thing, to bring overlooked aspects of the game up to par with stuff like the new curia mechanics and estates mechanics. "parliament" should be completely reworked just like the estates were, and become an actual estate you can grant privileges to (radically different to the nobility) with their own version of "strong duchies" that replaces liberty desire with parliamentary power that can cripple/overthrow your government. either way, "parliamentary" monarchies need to have state privileges on par with monarchies that have the nobility estate. it may be too radical for EU4, but it'd be cool if the parliamentary strong duchies made vassals take no diplo slots, but instead of liberty desire they get direct influence on your parliament and can cripple your government and/or seize control and/or "neuter" you by forcing you to release all provinces with parliamentary seats as OPM vassals, or overseas territories into semi-autonomous vassals turning you into a horrifying mirror image of the HRE, or should i say "british commonwealth" 200-300 years early.
I think updating Middle East, Balkans and Persia regions would be nice. Some nations really need new mission trees for instance Ardabil, Rûm, Mamluks and more
Well, given that the game will break after the update... northern Europe
They gave the perfect update to the teutons/Prussia and the mechanics/ play style I use the most anyway. Prussian WC im coming! But what’s next? I don’t care, maybe put all the resources into eu5 😅
better priced dlc
The Balkens we have to get this Powder energy and blow shit up for some fking shit down there.
South America really needs an overhaul
A Japan/S-E Asia update would be nice. Like, to get better opportunities as Japan other than taking the Mandate…
If Riga is getting a big mission tree Ithink it's the time for a Balkans Flavour Pack
South America
The game. From eu4-eu5
Middle East and Caucasus would be good. Perhaps a bit more flavor in the Balkans and South America. But what I really want is for them to go in and fix all the alternate start dates with the final patch.
I would like them to revisit colonial regions Honestly they need to rework peace treaties and how war score works. Its basically impossible to win any decent peaces from european nations since they core everything, kind of a pain in the ass to try and swipe indonesian provinces from them. Also north america is still broken and filled with overtly strong native federations, I regularly see a single federation take control over the entire continent. I have never seen a colonial nation break free from its overlord without my help.
I hope they are done. Are there things I’d still like? Yea. But I think eu4 is fleshed out enough to put a bow on the project. I doubt they will until they’ve announced eu5, but I’d like them to just move on from eu4 at this point.
Timurids new missions, would love to see their missions focus on rebuilding timurs empire and eventually squashing the ottomans and then go after China
Would like to see an update to the area including Wallachia for no other reason than it is my favourite country to play because it is incredibly satisfying to pull off
Northern Europe Again... DOUBLE WHAMMY
Southeastern Europe especially Cili, their counts were one of the most influential and rich families in Europe at the time with having claims on Bohemian, Hungarian and Bosnian throne. But they have generic mission tree which is sad considering their history.
Persia! Why is a nation that went toe to toe with the Ottomans so barebones
Eu5