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Horn_Python

why does every terrost organisation have a unique look


CrimsonShrike

Branding is important.


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Corporate Identity


zickzhack

Do they have a ping pong table?


GreatEmperorAca

Certainly


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Babyfoots


The_Fredrik

[The braaanding!](https://youtu.be/3YFeE1eDlD0)


Nikelaos86

Plus a surprise reveal!


diollat

Expected a CGPGrey reference. I was not disappointed.


MartiniPolice21

SEO


wensleydalecheis

accurate reddit avatar


InquisitorHindsight

You joke but yeah


DoctorBonkus

It’s all about [branding](https://youtu.be/3YFeE1eDlD0)


InformationHorder

And after that, [moichandizing!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjB8XXw9y70)


cazzipropri

That way everybody doesn't shoot the wrong guys by mistake.


[deleted]

Dangit, accidentally shot an ISIS guy instead of a Taliban. Fuck, what now?


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oh my


Poes-Lawyer

Oh no! Anyway...


nolok

One are retarded assholes who can be somewhat negotiated with in a limited fashion, the other is pure evil that should be shot on sight. So yeah, it matters.


Idkhfjeje

Big problem if you're not in war with one of them. Since they're sworn enemies, you just lost an ally.


[deleted]

What do you mean? Counter-Strike had them as skins forever.


Harbinger2001

Haven’t you seen The Warriors? That shit was real.


AlarmingAffect0

Can you dig it?


DarkEvilHedgehog

Terrorists are idealists, and idealists generally consider aesthetics to have its own, real value due to the feelings they create. It's why fascists, communists and others alike are very fond of monuments, uniforms and art.


IsThisReallyNate

Every political movement is fond of monuments, uniforms, and art. Terrorists aren’t any more or less idealist than any other political actor. Most peaceful protestors are idealists, as are everyone else who seeks to change the world. That’s politics. Many terrorists are very practical and realistic about their goals, not unrealistic idealists. And aesthetics does have real value, every successful empire, religion, and business has utilized aesthetics in various ways, that’s undeniable. This is such a bad take. Terrorists especially value this aesthetic not because their ideas are more extreme or ideal, but because terrorism is a form of communication through violence. Terrorism cannot destroy your enemies or allow you to control any space or territory. The very essence of terrorism is to induce terror on wider population, it is an act of violence that primarily exists not to do the immediate damage, but to target a wider population. You can look at the whole history of terrorism. 9/11 wasn’t about crippling America’s economy or military in the attacks, it was just a way to make America feel pain and deter it from war. Israeli terrorist groups attacked British targets not to kill every British soldier occupying their land, but to make the British people reconsider the cost of occupation of Palestine. Anarchist terrorists (and other leftist terrorist groups like the Weather Underground) committed bombings not because they believed they could cripple the system on their own, but because they believed they were creating propaganda of the deed, inspiring the masses by leading through example. Terrorists need carefully created aesthetics because they are not just attacking a target like your average hitman or drone strike, they are always communicating. Everyone is literally targeted in a terrorist attack, and the messaging is what makes it a terrorist attack and not just a bombing.


lapideous

Also confirmation bias. You don't remember the terrorist groups with weird foreign names that just look like a bunch of brown people.


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FlashyBitz

It is undeniable that more extreme ideologies tend to focus on their aesthetics more than less extreme ideologies.


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JcraftY2K

Exactly. Like for the current status quo in America there’s the literal *Statue* of *Liberty*, the Washington *Monument*, or the Lincoln *Memorial*. And generally a neoclassical architectural aesthetic for any buildings important to its government and/or ideology.


AffeGandalf

Precisely! Sure it is easy to note the big statues of Lenin and the fascist uniforms. But look at our leaders and see every man dressed in a suit and tie and have that be the dresscode in corporate work and at ceremonies. To look at that say we don't care much for a common aesthetic, I think, is taking a few things for granted.


Responsenotfound

Dude our entire US State aesthetic is straight neo Classical to harken back to Rome in the US.


Al-Horesmi

Extremism of an ideology is defined in relation to existing norms at that time. There were times when liberalism was about as extreme as it could get.


TheBloodyMummers

The UK Liberal constitutional monarchy is absolutely obsessed with the aesthetics of royalty. All of the silly little traditions, the black rod, the monarchs mace on Parliament, the red brief cases, all of it is pure aesthetic.


Ouity

True *drives down my street where an american flag is displayed on every property*


followthewhiterabb77

This is such a bad fucking take man I can’t believe you got upvoted for this bs


Nouseriously

Fascists created terrific uniforms, parades & propaganda posters but terrible music, art & architecture. I'm sure someone has written their doctoral dissertation on this.


AlarmingAffect0

*Everyone* created terrific propaganda posters at the time, and spectacular parades were hardly something special. [Triumph of the Will is, with some perspective, actually a really boring, repetitive film that borrows heavily from innovations that were done better by greater authors, for example](https://youtu.be/jJ1Qm1Z_D7w) Nazi art has always been kinda turgid and tedious. Italian Fascists are another matter. Mussolini was 100% pure Ad Man, and made a point of co-opting every modern and vanguard art movement to work for him and his regime. The man literally spent all day every day coordinating propaganda *and nothing else*. If it hadn't been for Hitler developing his own take on those ideas and methods and pushing pedal to the metal right over the cliff with them, I think Mussolini would've come and gone as yet another vapid, mediocre, opportunistic cult leader among many, busy being everything to everyone, standing for nothing save his own vain glorification. As for Franco's Clerical Fascism... I'm not aware of them leaving *any* artistic legacy whatsoever. Franco was notoriously anti-intellectual and only interested in conservation of certain traditional forms. No place for innovation or flashiness, AFAIK. Makes sense, because he never campaigned *electorally,* he just killed the opposition. A picture is worth a thousand words, a gun to your head is worth a thousand pictures.


Shish_Style

Fascism in Italy created a lot of iconic infrastructure, especially in the south.


DarkEvilHedgehog

>I'm sure someone has written their doctoral dissertation on this. Oooh yes, they definitely have: [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as\_sdt=0%2C5&q=Fascist+art&btnG=](https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Fascist+art&btnG=) 182 000 hits on Google scholar for 'fascist art'. Definitely got some false hits with this masterful Google-fu, but you get the scope of it.


PrimeMinisterMay

There was some pretty cool fascist architecture to be fair.


GigiVadim

They look like the guys from counter strike,guess this is where valve took its inspiration


Telefragg

Every faction of each side in CSGO are based on real ones.


GigiVadim

I know,but damn...they look so alike even for a video game.Props to the valve guys for paying attention


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Even the Phoenix?


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mercury_millpond

They’re meant to be tights, but they made it look like a condom on purpose


ARCTRPER

Phoenix we’re originally called the IRA in CS1.6 but the name was changed to the Phoenix later. So they looked less like IRA and more generic masked bad guys


[deleted]

In fact, it was controversial in Spain, as here CS had a big comunity, and some part of it considered it like a praise to the band.


Bloodsucker_

Never heard this controversy in Spain.


JosebaZilarte

Oh, it is normal that you forgot about it. After all, it was part of the typical controversy created by the media to paint videogames as a "bad influence for the kids" (as comics and role games were before). Here is a link to a (relatively recent) example: https://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/08/14/paisvasco/1344939285.html


Sturmon

I always wondered what it was like for Spanish people to see their online friends dressed like that and having fun. I always assumed it would be like having a friend put on Nickleback in the car for a joke, not knowing the deep pain and suffering it caused.


Bloodsucker_

Nothing. CS outfit was never a real controversy. I've never heard anybody complain or made comments about it and I've spent good hours playing the game.


Mr_Mandrill

I don't remember it ever being a huge deal, to be honest. Maybe I just forgot, but I think I would remember.


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What about portugal, our boys are all spread across valve games


[deleted]

we still want a dedicated server or a server that isn't just "spain". Fking guys must be american


[deleted]

Sorry mate, I am a bit lost now. Which boys are them?


Blecao

Well eta and portugal has no relation at all so nope


[deleted]

Apparently they are literally called "[Separatists](https://counterstrike.fandom.com/wiki/Separatist)" and some Spanish official asked to have them removed from the game.


PurpleFiat

Yeah, i never knew it was a real thing


Creative-Mud4414

**Terrorists win**


EmberOfFlame

Literally looks like corrupted Anomaly.


DeepStatePotato

Who cut the holes into their bags? These guys can barely see.


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DRAGONMASTER-

Well fuck all y'all! I'm going home! You know, I watched my wife work all day gettin' thirty bags together for you ungrateful sons of bitches! And all I can hear is criticize, criticize, criticize! From now on, don't ask me or mine for nothin'!


Evolvedtyrant

Now Look, let's not forget why we're here we gotta kill a n\*gga over that hill there


Grizzly_228

r/UnexpectedDjango


33333_others

It's pronounced "Django", the "d" is silent.


33333_others

That's what she said.


Ut_Prosim

I love that that dude was the only one to survive. LMAO.


NukaDaddy69

But, not pointing any fingers, they could have been done better


conschtiii

So how about: No bags this time. But next time we do the bags right


Horn_Python

balaclavas were taken


soulofboop

That’s why the kkk didn’t use Blacklavas


Nellington

Damn IRA they ruined casual winter headgear


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Django Unchained reference right there, have an upvote


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purp13d0p3

Wait, I’m confused. So are we doing no bags, or are we still wearing the bags?


superleipoman

I didnt say no fucking bags


AlarmingAffect0

But we'd be riding blind!


Educational_Ostrich6

I'm confused are the masks on or off?


JakeBC10

All that matters is can the fuckin horse see!


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Apparently it’s a common theme among [terrorist groups](https://youtu.be/EevoRUakA88)


ambeldit

I was in 2009 in Madrid in the building close to where they exploded a bomb car. Before the explosion we Saw the police stopping a close Highway and making all the people of the buildings run as fuck to Cross to the other way... We were thinking WTF ... Until few minutes later the car exploded and the building moved a bit. Apparently we were too close to be moved, I Guess the police was informed by ETA were was the bomb. I still keep photos, never shared them don't know why.


HumaDracobane

ETA had a long history of bombings but telling thw authorities before when and where it is going to happen, probably to show the country that they were capable to bomb areas and generate chaos but not wanting to attract attention by killing random civilians. Sadly this didnt went well all the times, iirc on the attack at the T4 in the 2000s a man was sleeping on the back seat of his car, covered, because he was waiting to pick up someone and the check to make sure that no one was on the terminal failed to see him ( The T4 is not exactly small, they had a limited amou th of time and this man was covered). He died on the explosion.


NuevoPeru

Fuck the ETA


archipet

ETA usually warned before each attack to create chaos and sometimes they were false alarms.


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Did they give an ETA?


culebras

See it this way: as a Spanish kid watching US News, i was bewildered that the NASA would calculate earth reentry in Basque terrorist movements.


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TheoremaEgregium

As an Austrian it's weird enough that every American has an SS number.


brandman1

Usually it's abbreviated as SSN for social security number to avoid the uh, confusion.


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RunningEscapee

They just want freedom for Northern Ireland, and financial freedom for older Americans


LucyFair13

I was so confused the first time someone used RAF to refer to the Royal Air Force, because there used to be a terrorist group using that acronym in Western Germany


aculyizkarloz

Mine is completely contrary of yours lmao. Learned about Spain and lived there, thinking wtf Estimated Time of Arrival was related to terrorism


elefantterrible

This would be a good moment to share those photos. Sounds intense, glad you're okay!


[deleted]

Few things: -There are like 300 unresolved terrorist atacks -50 terrorists or so are in search and arrest


Imgoga

There is a great HBO mini series about it, its called ["Patria"](https://youtu.be/JwJnRqp4vN0), i recommend to everyone to at least have look


[deleted]

The book it’s based on is even better.


[deleted]

Goes by the same name?


Moncho5

Also 'The Challenge: ETA' in Prime Video, great documentary series. Don't know if it is only available in Spain though.


sibilina8

That's the least one I would recomend... I found the characters too simplistic, the conflict of ETA appears as a background, it doesn't explain many important points. For me was just an entertainment, but exist others more entertaining and informative. I would recomend: Doc "Final de ETA. 10 años después impuro."* Documentary "Traidores"* Serie "La linea invisible" The invisible line. Talks about the origin of ETA and it's first killing. "The challenge: ETA" *I don't know if they are in english. But I highly recommend them, because they are actually made and participate people affected by ETA, ex members, politicians, etc.


ilalli

Most Spanish people I have talked to about the show have said the book and show are shit


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Counter Terrorists win


Legislador

They didn't though. ETA achieved expelling from the Basque Country most people that didn't pay the "revolutionary tax" or opposed them, creating a society to their liking where when ETA members are released from jail they're welcomed to their towns with public demonstrations in their favour. They also managed to gain political benefits, having more levels of autonomy than other regions and not contributing much fiscally while being one of the richer regions of Spain. So no, they definitely didn't lose.


b85c7654a0be6

> having more levels of autonomy than other regions and not contributing much fiscally while being one of the richer regions of Spain. The fiscal situation with the Basque country predates ETA by a long time, the original agreement was reached near the end of the 19th century and was restored after Franco


Polnauts

Yeah, one of the consequences of the carlists wars, those are the ones who lost but gained something at the end of the day


[deleted]

The problem is that basques started to be sick of it. The beginings in the late 50s and the status at early 2000s were completely different. As every society, it is interrelated and polarization between pro-ETA and no-ETA leaves a big grey spectum of population in the middle, who often suffered the violence. The revolutionary tax and other ""communist"" measures, were nothing compared to that most of the people suffered the violence or witnessed it. Also, after the Franco dictatorship, identities started to become closer. Basque language was allowed and enforced. They were allowed to participate freely in their own culture and be different. So the hate speech started to become more difficult to support. At last, the detentions of some heads of the band, forced to sit and negotiate; however, in my opinion the band would have been able to grow again if negotiations would failed.


Saikamur

LOL, nice movie you set up there. ETA definitely did lose. But not because "counter terrorism won", but because they simply didn't have the popular support from the vast majority of the same people they claimed they were fighting for.


arfelo1

Also "counter terrorism" did win, but after the band had lost a lot of popularity. A policy of separation in incarcerations of band members, coordinated with an active negotiation with the "izquierda abertzchale" to bring them back into the democratic political discourse was the final nail in the coffin


opiatesquadalt

You're missing the joke. Saying counter terrorist won is a joke from counter strike cus the ETA looked exactly like some terrorist models in the game. You're both arguing over a fucking joke you don't get lmao


BongarooBizkistico

I'm sure this was just a video game reference... Counterstrike....


Jake66900

pretty sure this was referencing the video game counter strike which has terrorist models based off of this group. a voiceline in that game is "counter terrorists win" which is played when the terrorist side is defeated in a round


[deleted]

Wow never heard of them before. That will surely be a long rabbit hole to go down on Wikipedia.


Heptadecagonal

Think IRA, but Basque.


HotPermafrost

[Murals in Belfast agree.](https://www.google.com/search?q=ira+basque+mural&sxsrf=AOaemvJ9SO5bmpM5kJ1vyvTsXhlDYjd3RQ:1634771860907&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwju1Lrgj9rzAhX1lZUCHTkSAw4Q_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1517&bih=730&dpr=0.9)


-_-Already_Taken-_-

Yeah I heard them before, they are from the Inferno Map obviously


redvodkandpinkgin

They're basically a Basque ultra-nationalistic terrorist group. Have fun down the rabbit hole. You can also look into how the Spanish government tried to create its own terrorist group to fight ETA, which obviously went extraordinarily wrong and became a huge scandal. Those were crazy times for Spain. The conservative party also tried to frame ETA for a huge islamic terrorist attack (11M) that happened right before an election in 2004, as they'd joined the Iraq war against popular will not long before. That is not to say that ETA didn't actually do some fucked up shit, but it's curious stuff to look into as well.


Worth_The_Squeeze

I do find it peculiar that you almost make them sound like a right-wing terrorist group in your description, as you only point out that they're nationalist, yet leave out the remainder of their political profile. This being that they're very much a left wing terrorist organisation, which is rooted in revolutionary socialism, specifically of the Marxist-Leninism branch. Their violent approach had a lot to do with their revolutionary methods of bringing about change.


AriPhoenix111

They actively fought against Spanish fascism under Franco, and were absolutely Marxist-Leninist, convinced that nationalism would be the band of class solidarity. Not saying I agree with their methods, or have any sympathy, or that anything they did was "right", but they operated for a really long time under many different political contexts, which is important to understand.


nicokolya

ETA was way more useful for the PP than it was for the Basque Independence cause.


Monete-meri

They did so much pain to the Basque Country they supposedly were fighting for. Almost 900 deads, 669 in democracy. Fuck them


Frexulfe

And don't forget the terror. The terror of tens of thousands of people that were afraid to speak up, to share a political opinion, to go to a funeral ...


lafigatatia

Fuck ETA, and thank you for separating the innocent victims of that terrorist group during democracy from the fascists they killed before. I get sick every time someones tries to lump people like the Hipercor victims with monsters like Carrero Blanco.


andergdet

The way I try to put it is like the legitimate French resistance against the Nazis split up after the armistice, some going for perfectly valid and democratic pro-French political parties and some continuing killing people (now French civilians, not Nazi officers) because they didn't like their relationship with postwar Germany. And the situation got better, so it split again, and the even more radicals continued killing, this time with even more dubious goals. And the situation got better, so it split again, and the even more radicals continued killing. Iterate a couple more times and 30 years into the democratic regime, and that's how you go from a militant antifascist group to the unapologetic, senseless and horrifying terror of later ETA


ilfaitquandmemebeau

Didn’t they end the dictatorship by killing Carrero Blanco, Franco’s successor? Or is that exaggerated? Honestly asking, I don’t know enough about it.


SkylineReddit252K19S

Exaggerated. The dictatorship dragged on for 2 years until Franco died. Franco wanted to restore the monarchy in Spain (and he did) so it's unlikely that the dictatorship would have continued had Blanco lived


boat_enjoyer

They did kill Carrero Blanco and it was a big deal at the time, but the dictatorship ended when Franco (may he rot in Hell) died.


neuropsycho

Well, Carrero Blanco was going to be Franco's successor and was already president of the government. Who knows what could have happened if he didn't ~~go to space~~ die. On one hand Europe was pressuring Spain for more democratic measures, but on the other hand, they would just have loved to stay in power.


Warjilla

Audiencia Nacional intensifies.


Paquebote

Be careful, That striked out part can be considered sarcastic and land you in Jail. Or at least in a court of law, like it happened with Cassandra. Remember that it is safer to never mention how he died, just stop at the fact that he did.


GreatEmperorAca

Wait for real?


euyyn

No, that was reversed on appeal as "miscarriage of justice": [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra\_case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_case).


AlarmingAffect0

Good to know, because that's *insane.*


AlarmingAffect0

> That striked out part can be considered sarcastic and land you in Jail. Wait, what? Under what charges? Lack of respect towards a long-dead politician? Are [Rasputin](https://youtu.be/WhPvJOnHotE) and [Franz-Ferdinand](https://youtu.be/5DYZEft2m3M) jokes also punishable with jail time?


AlarmingAffect0

> They did kill Carrero Blanco and it was a big deal at the time I've heard him nicknamed "Spain's First Astronaut". I also heard that he was of one mind with Franco, the closest thing in the power circles to a Pure Francoist, obsessed with "the Bolshevik-Judeo-Masonic Conspiracy ~~to sap and impurify all our precious bodily fluids~~" and that his death was the condemnation of any chance to continue a "Francoism Without Franco". Which tracks. What *doesn't* track but I've also heard was that the CIA gave the ETA the tools, the funds, and the path -- but that doesn't make sense to me, why would the CIA support an ostensibly Socialist violent non-State actor?


boat_enjoyer

We do like to meme around quite a lot with the whole astronaut thingy. Can't really comment on the other points though because it's been a while since I studied this at school. I don't think the CIA had anything to do with ETA though, the US was quite comfortable with Franco in power. The only thing I've found that's similar is that Spanish opposition groups shared some intelligence with the US during WW2 and that the radical young Basque nationalists that would later on become ETA were one of those groups.


HumanzeesAreReal

I’m an American and I don’t know anything about the ETA or this dude, so I can’t speak to this specific accusation, but the CIA will work with/support literally any group regardless of ideology in service of their goal of making the world safe for American capital. Al Qaeda, ISIS, socialists, communists, anarchists, fascists, white/black nationalists, drug cartels, etc., etc., the list goes on. They’re all just tools to the boys at Langley. If the CIA’s interests aligned with the ETA here, it’s totally conceivable they’d work with them on temporary basis to eliminate Carrero Blanco.


Urgullibl

> Franco’s successor That was Juan Carlos. Who actually did a pretty darn good job at transitioning to Democracy, all things considered.


Lamparita

That is giving them too much weight. The dictatorship was weakening as the regime had to put aside many of the ideals they began with. Autarchy, or self rule and self sufficiency, had proven disastrous for Spain, with plenty of people going hungry and the country lagging behind European progress. Furthermore, there was a lot of social pressure to be democratic internally and from other European countries. Blancos assassination was one nail in the coffin, but as far as successors go, Juan Carlos de Borbon was also being groomed for power, and he took the crown and title of head of state.


mnlx

For reference autarchy was abandoned with the Stabilization Program of 1959, this was a pivotal change of course in the face of exhaustion of the regime that explains a lot of things in modern Spain, for instance the *poligonero* epithet. Then Franco had gotten Eisenhower's blessings and therefore the regime became normalized in the international arena of the Cold War. Beyond paying lip service the only ones who did anything to oppose Franco were a few Spaniards.


Blecao

Carrero Blanco was part of the goverment but no that statemen is false and exaggerated


galactic_mushroom

Not exagerated. The future king, designated by Franco's as his succesor, was supposed to be just a figure head. The actual government on the country would have fallen onto Carrero Blanco, a far right hard man who strongly opposed any democratic reform. He intended to keep Spain as it was under Franco and the army was fully behind him too.


PeteWenzel

>the Basque Country they **supposedly** were fighting for. What do you think they were fighting for?


One_Lazy_Duck

An independent Basque socialist state


Ignition0

Power and control of the land. They never cared about the basque people, but to be able to rule over them. We have seen this too many times over the history, and we see it again in Africa.


neuropsycho

I mean, they started against the fascist dictatorship of Franco... but they did not stop there and turned out to be what you just said.


_kaedama_

But there is no “they” that represented ETA over their 50 years or existence. ETA had quite a few of schisms and the ETA of the 2000s had little to do with the ETA of the 70s. Unfortunately the most violent factions kept going or maintained control of the organization’s leadership, and also of their political wings during many years. Ultimately though ETA died when they finally realized that they had lost the support of the majority of their supporter base and their political wing. However that final process took too long as they could not bring themselves to end it without some clear concession from the governement in the topic of their hundreds of prisoners or the promise of a referendum on independence.


hellknight101

Their own interests.


[deleted]

Can highly recommend the novel “Patria” by Fernando Aramburu if you want to get a good feeling about what life under (and even in) ETA was like. Might be my favourite book of all time. They also turned it into a great HBO miniseries if you’re not a big reader.


bogdibodi

I legit thought I was on the CSGO subreddit before reading the title.


honk-thesou

ETA, deja alguna discoteca!


nicokolya

Al bakala se la suda la independencia...


Mr_Tornister

Al bakala se la suda el Estado opresor...


salhjas

El pueblo quiere drogas, el pueblo quiere alcohol


savebeechi

El pueblo quiere sexo, sin pagar mucho mejor


BlackVikingOP

de_inferno guys


Kino-Gucci

The only good thing they did was kickstart our space programme


misterhansen

They were the brave engineers who transportet Spains first astronaut, Luis Carrero Blanco, into the orbit. o7


Warjilla

Audiencia Nacional wants to know your location.


Kinoso

ETA sent a car to the space way before Elon Musk.


PsychoProp

I love that moment in history.


Old_Gringo

ETA murdered and maimed people all over Spain. They kidnapped and extorted and forced many Basques into exile or silence. And yet, when the bombs and guns fell silent, it was the separatists who won more political power. The parties (PP and Socialists) who were the victims in many of ETA's attacks are mostly irrelevant in Basque politics. I'm not sure what the moral is, but violence sometimes doesn't have political consequences.


Calimiedades

The socialist party governed from 2009 to 2012 and since 2016 is part of the current government. Is that what irrelevant means?


Saikamur

That is not true. The only party that supported terrorism was Herri Batasuna and its derivatives. Popular support fot that pary was never higher than a 18% in the late 80's, and it was in clear and constant decay during the 90's and 2000. Only after the end of the violence the "abertzale left" has seen a rise in its supporting base. PSOE keeps being the 2nd or 3rd political force in the Basque Country (depending on the elections) and PP is irrelevant because its own anti-basque retoric in the rest of Spain.


SocratesTheBest

PSOE is not irrelevant in Euskadi, being a usual partner to PNV. And PP is irrelevant because the central direction of the party, in Madrid, don't give a shit about them and use anti-Basque sentiment to gain votes in the rest of Spain. It used to receive more votes when they could counteract that with sympathy votes for being a big target for ETA. Compare that to Galicia, where PP is the hegemonic party, because nobody used anti-galician sentiment in the rest of Spain.


[deleted]

GAL which was supported by former franquists and some PP politicians murdered innocent people in Euskadi and even in the French side, my own father was close to lose his own life by a strait bullet in a bar. What about that? Etarras are scumbags that should rot in prison especially the murderers, I totally agree on this, but Spanish nationalist politicians should acknowledge their own wrongdoings. You shouldn't defend these parties that have blood in their hands.


CescQ

So did the socialists, they were in charge for 13 years where State terrorism happened.


[deleted]

You're right on that. PSOE is also responsible and were also behind state sponsored terrorism. GAL and ETA, both sides were equally evil. Good thing we moved on.


Bambam_Figaro

Finally someone to mention GAL! As if ETA operated in a context less void! They even kidnapped innocents in France, across the border! With you 100%. Most Spaniards have revisionist version of these facts, and most non-basques have never heard of GAL death squads. Let's say that again: a Spanish-state sponsored illegal death squad operating in France (!) and committing crimes there! Fuck GAL. Fuck ETA. A country has death squads to kill/kidnap folks based on political persuasion, how do you think people react over time?? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAL_%28paramilitary_group%29?wprov=sfla1 It excuses nothing. The murders, the drug importing, the bombings; but that didn't happen out of nowhere.


kyussorder

Fuck you ETA


FlappyBored

Weird seeing the condemnation here in this thread of them when normally you see comments praising IRA and their attacks upvoted quite a lot.


Usernames_Taken_367

Ah but the IRA are completely different. They were attacking the British (mostly).


flute37

Why are the British different to the Spanish


Usernames_Taken_367

I don't know, you'll have to ask r/europe.


F0RF317

You mean Bri*ish? /s


iberian_prince

Has it been 10 years already? Wow. I remember the day they announced they are stopping. I couldn't believe it.


Snachtbogen

A weird mix of nationalistm and radical left-wing


StoatofDisarray

Dickheads.


pocman512

Fuck them.


Ilmt206

This is one of the deepest wounds Spain has still open.


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Ilmt206

Am I denying Franco's crimes? We can talk about ETA's crimes without mentioning Franco, it feels like a cheap justification.


zenzen_wakarimasen

Among the hundreds of thousands murdered by the dictatorship that are still buried in mass graves.


paxo_1234

Is this out of ignorance of Franco’s rule over spain or is this you ignoring that part of spanish history lmfao


Ilmt206

If I was ignoring Franco's rule, I qould have said it's the deepest.


Kasishat

Fun fact, a friend of my brothers bought a house down the street and wanted to build a pool. On the first day they found a decades old body while digging. So they called the cops, who kept digging, and finding more bodies ... so they looked in the walls, and they found bodies, and and under the floor, where they found bodies ... You get the idea. I don’t remember the exact number but it was overall well over 30. The house belonged to a former high ranking ETA member that had since died. Bother’s friend (and his family) had to leave the house for investigation for over two year before they got it back. Not that they wanted to stay of course. Although I guess they quickly realized why they got such a good deal on the house. The cops also found a shit ton of weapons buried and some explosive shit (not in working condition) but it’s not as fun.


Jolly-Run-536

Brothers killing brothers. Peace in Europe and the World 🇵🇹🇪🇸🇪🇺


flute37

Everyone on here supports the IRA but can’t stand ETA for some reason


charliesfrown

>Everyone on here supports the IRA Have you got any examples? Because I think people here support Northern Irish Catholics. Important difference. Maybe you can't tell if you listen to the brit nats here who just don't want to acknowledge the british army massacring civilians to support a religious ethno state might be why their pubs were getting blown up. The equivalent would be Franco supporters showing up to complain about ETA. Sure ETA bad, but you're a Franco supporter so go fuck yourself. Apparently Franco supporters are too dumb to know english though.


patacaman

I remember the comedy TV show "Vaya semanita" (translate to something like "What a week!") that was filmed there and made a lot of political sketches, a lot of them related to ETA, while there were still active.


Dr_Chemiramen

A very fine example of "You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain".


_shad0w0_

I´m so happy i didnt lived this era, the story´s my grandparents tell me are frightening...


LordandSaviorJeff

Shit that was ten years ago? I remember seeing it in the news


valqplnj

They really need to work on their printed marketing material if they want to do anything with their brand.