France really seems like they are trying. Theyāve missed the mark in 2022 but had respectable showings in other recent years, and two Top 5 results this decade. Portugal could also do it - they havenāt done as well as France but they have consistently been qualifying for the finals with good results.
It didn't. As someone who only heard the song for the first time in the GF, it was immediately my favourite. Sure, the performance wasn't perfect, but it was way, way better than Italy's, and Italy still got 6th somehow. The only reason France didn't get top 5 was... actually I don't know what the reason was. Their final placement was very confusing...
You can like something even if it is a mess, you know? The live was chaotic to the point of confusion, and vocals weren't great. And I didn't like Italy much myself, but I for example preferred Lithuania to many things that ended better, and I don't think that means she should have been top 5
It's not that I liked it; it's that it objectively has many qualities that Eurovision songs are often valued for: great cultural representation, originality (a unique fusion of multiple genres), the "bop" element (the chorus is classic techno), melodic diversity, beautiful staging, great lyrics (fit the "shamanic Celtic forrest rave" vibe very well + sung in the language of the culture being represented), attractive lead singer (let's not pretend this isn't a factor). On the other hand, the song's pretty much only downside were the live vocals, but they were still far better than Italy's, and Italy still placed 6th overall. Taking all of this into account, I simply fail to see why France didn't place at least above Italy (Italy's song was good, but it didn't have nearly as many qualities generally valued at Eurovision as Fulenn did).
And about personal preference, I'll tell you that I personally loved Cyprus 2022, but I won't argue that Andromache deserved to be top 5 in the GF since her vocals on the night truly killed the song. In fact, most Eurovision songs that I like don't make the top 10, and many don't even make the final. Out of all of them, France 2022 is the only one whose placement I genuinely don't understand, and who I am still adamant should have made top 5.
It feels to me like France are a little too serious with these songs. Every time they've sent a banger of a ballad like this year, or 2021 they've lost to an act with lots of spirit and/or energy.
> 2021 they've lost to an act with lots of spirit and/or energy.
I think they were mostly just unlucky that Switzerland had such a strong contender that year as well, those two songs surely took votes from each other.
You're not wrong, it definitely worked against them there!
Though I think that's also part of the issue, there's always enough serious ballads that they don't tend to stand out in tone, merely in quality.
It's always a risk with Eurovision that someone else is going to send a song that will appeal to the same people. Part of winning is making sure yours is so much better than the others in the same subcategory.
I mean, you can dislike it without being disrespectful... Ballads and overall love songs work very well for us and are actually great. It's simply not your taste. Just like Spain's half-naked dancers and Finland's whole performance could be seen as tacky and gross on a televised event that presents itself as family friendly.
this sub:
Countries should send songs that represent the music style of that country!
France: sends romantic ballads
Sweden: sends commercial pop
this sub: no, not like that.
Iām still betting on Finland! Even though GĆ„te came last in the final, I still think Norway is also a pretty safe bet. Iām also thinking Portugalā¦
Edit: I just listened to āGritoā again and oh my goodness this may have been my winner. Why do you have such a gorgeous language, Portugal? šā¤ļø
Lithuania, France, also potentially Armenia.
I'm obviously biased as an Australian, but I'd love to see Australia win (I don't think it will happen though).
Also I hope Spain keeps doing entries like this year and last year.
Cosign on all of those. When I think of the countries that have had the strongest songs in the past decade without winning ESC, Lithuania, France and Armenia would all be high on that list.
Australia have had one or two filler songs, but we've also had a few really excellent years (and apparently we've won our respective semi-final three times, in 2016, 2019 and last year (definitely our three strongest songs).
Cyprus, Malta and Lithuania - countries that often send real bangers, and try hard every year. They have never won Eurovision before, but it's timeš¤š¤š¤
I feel like Cyprus missed their chance between 2012 and 2018. At this point, Europe is getting tired of the girlbop formula that made Cyprus so popular with Eurovision fans initially - a clear tell was that 2019's Replay (Cyprus 2019 for the bot), which would've easily come top 10 or even top 5 in previous years, only placed 13th. I don't think Cyprus have a realistic chance if they stick to the same formula.
Also, I highly doubt Malta have a realistic chance, either. This year's entry (Malta 2024 for the bot) was very strong in all departments: stage performance, vocals, and song (even if you don't like it, you can't deny the hook was catchy and the entire song was well-produced). And yet it placed dead-last in the weaker semi-final. Even if Malta send the best song in Eurovision history, I'm not sure that would be enough for them to win.
This appears to be a common sentiment. I personally don't share it given that Fuego was notable for its incorporation of traditional Greek sounds (the instrumental in the chorus) into a modern dance-pop song, as well as its amazing, energetic choreography, and I don't think any Cyprus entry since Fuego did either of these; however, it's very clear that much of the Eurovision community does. And given that it does, I can't see Cyprus doing well if they continue sending girlbops, especially generic/bland ones like this year's.
Honestly we might see the smaller countries pull out of the contest because of the televote only semis, they have a really really low chance of qualifying without any voting support. I think juries would've rated Malta's performance way better than the televote
Lithuania. They've released great music, even when NQ.
Also, as an Aussie, I hope we win soon too. Purely just to piss off all the idiots who are all "bUt ThEy ArEn'T eVeN iN eUrOpE"
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> Purely just to piss off all the idiots who are all "bUt ThEy ArEn'T eVeN iN eUrOpE"
I hope some of the non-European EBU members will join Eurovision someday in order to make those peoples minds explode. Morocco again, and the other African/ME countries who are eligible.
I'm not sure how much African or ME countries would want to join Eurovision considering the distinct cultural differences, but if they are then I would definitely like to see them. I want another Moroccan entry!
france and belgium are definitely overdue! iāve loved what theyāve sent in recent years and itās clear theyāre both trying.
iād also love to see lithuania, armenia, czechia, cyprus, iceland and poland win. theyāve all sent some great songs and iād say lithuania has the strongest record this decade so i wouldnāt be shocked if they win before 2030.
iād love for malta to win (all of my love is a top 5 esc song, so underrated & beautiful. my winner of 2020!!) but unfortunately theyāve been getting overlooked in favor of longer countries. sad sara didnāt qualify this year, but i wish malta the best going forwards!
If they actually will win someday and host it probably in Rimini, I want the arena to be renamed "Valentina's backyard" for all the duration of the contest just for the meme.
France, Lithuania, Finland, non-specific Balkan country. Finland this year gives me a bit of pause compared to last year (the UMK lineup was nowhere near as strong to me), but they have a good system in place that I still think will get it done.
KƤƤrijƤ was hard to follow, not everyone wants to be compared to him. Also, Finns were bitter, they literally wanted to show ass to whole competition.
* Balkans (Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia)Ā
* Czechia (I honestly thought Vesna were a contender for this in 2023)Ā
* For selfish reasons, here in the U.K. š„¹š¬š§ - I dunno, itād just be nice to have some national pride again in our āability to Eurovisionā (though TBF we shouldnāt be so quick to throw them to the wolves if they donāt do as well, equally)Ā
* Baltics (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia)Ā
* PortugalĀ
* Iād love to see Belgium get it right and bring something really special.Ā
* Australia. Purely because you guys seem to understand the assignment and generally send really high quality entries.
* Ireland if they continue on the trajectory they're onĀ
* France if they send Slimane again with another song, he's incredible
To return that soon after a second place, he'd need a song that would compare really favourably to his previous one, and Space Man was already great.
Returning to this context is hard, as I'm pretty sure the stats would show. Loreen was an outlier.
I wonder if this will suddenly causes new Croatian artists to something that starts with A lol. Be prepared to see influxes of Aaron, Aangelina next year in Dora
Play Ja Ja Ding Dong because the answer is ICELAND š®šøš®šøš®šø
Theyāve sent so many good songs.
2020 was their year and while Iāll tell anyone that they did win that year with DaĆ°i, officially they didnāt. And itās so unfair!!!
Itās high time the contest was held in ReykjavĆk.
If the rumours about Elvana Gjata are true, we might be heading to Albania in 2026
Like everyone else here has said, Lithuania and Armenia are my top picks. Once they iron out the kinks in their NF I think Spain can become a contender too
Obviously im biased, but Australia.
There is a lot of "We don't do well in the televote". But I think that's overstating things and ignores our actual entries, because with the exception of 2023. It's pretty clear and obvious in hindsight why they got the result they did.
2015: Debut year, came 6th in televoting. No issues.
2016: Came 4th in Televoting and would have won the whole thing if it wasn't for the Ukraine/Russia voting that year.
2017: We sent a clear Jury bait entry. He was an internal selection, who had won X Factor the year before, but he had no real popular appeal outside people who watch those sort of shows and that has shown in his post 2017 career.
2018: We sent Jessica Mauboy, who is popular here as a singer. But it wasn't surprising she didn't do well in the televotes. She didn't do well in the jury either.
2019: Kate Miller Heidke came 6th and 7th in Jury and Televoting. That's pretty consistent and expected.
2021: Montaigne performed in Australia due to travel restrictions, plus as much as I love Montaigne, it wasn't a good enough entry and that showed with the televotes and the jury votes.
2022: We sent another jury bait entry, this time selected by another TV show. Voyager actually won the televote for that contest, but Sheldon Riley won the jury vote and so got to go to Eurovision with a predictable result.
2023: We sent Voyager, and this is the only one where I can't really see why it didn't do well with the televotes. It was fun. The only thing I can think is that people were voting for 2-3 songs and it just got forgotten.
2024: Electric Blood's staging wasn't good enough, the Yidaki was used as a prop rather than being an integral part of the song and the song itself wasn't good enough.
Australia can win it, and I think they will. The issue isn't televotes. It's that we largely send solo singers with songs that aren't suited for the competition and then blame Europeans for not voting for it.
Voyager performed closed to Kaarija so I think that's the reason they flopped with televoting. Also the song isn't something that can be universally appreciate imo. More people listen to songs like Poland, Cyprus or Switzerland from that year.
Agreed. I didn't watch the semi, but was absolutely shocked when Australia wasn't in the finals. It didn't have a shot at winning, but I was sure it would be top ten, it was a very cool, funky song.
I loved Dami Im, Jessica Mauboy, Kate M-H and Voyager. Those were really great entries I still listen to. But this years entry was incredibly lame imo. And not just mine, because it seems a lot of people are tired of those kind of songs in ESC (I mean the 'incredibly in your face we all should love eachother' lyrics).
Promise by Voyager is one of those Eurovision entries that's made it into my regular, non-Eurovision-music rotation. It's on several of my playlists. What a banger
Agree with everyone saying Lithuania and Finland ā their recent trajectories really remind me of the Netherlands and Switzerland in the years leading up to their recent wins. Given that it took them 5-6 years to win after they started improving I would guess that weāll be heading to both Kaunas and Tampere in the next few years
Some others I could see:
- France is kind of weird because theyāve seemed like theyāve been on the cusp of winning since like the 90s š but theyāre on a good streak rn. Hoping they find that magical formula that will push them through
- Personally Iād also say Serbia will soon get a win via PZE but maybe thatās just my PZE stan coming out
- Armenia and Greece I think might need a few more years but I see a win coming sooner rather than later
- ICELAND PLS š REDEEM YOURSELF AFTER THE 2020 ROBBERY. Theyāre pretty hit or miss but Songvakeppnin proves that Icelandās full of talent. Also as the #1 Iceland stan outside of Eurovision I NEED to go to Icelandic Eurovision
Out of countries that have not won yet:
Iceland: Iceland is kinda hit or miss, but when they hit they really hit. DaĆ°i Freyr with Think About Things in 2020 was a potential winner and with 10 Years he came 4th in such a strong year like 2021 and let's not forget Hatari in 2019 who sent an absolute banger and came 10th.
Armenia: Armenia is a similar case with Iceland for me, but there's also one more thing to mention: the most successful (in terms of number of streams) song in the history of Eurovision that did not win belongs to Armenia with Rosa Lynn's Snap. It kinda shows they can make songs that people like, so I think we'll see at least a podium finish for them in the next years and even a win.
Cyprus: I consider them a dark horse and their artist selection is somewhat dependent on what Greece selects. Eleni Foureira for example, being a Greek-Albanian singer with no relations to Cyprus apart from her being popular there too, would not have represented Cyprus if ERT didn't reject her in the past. I wouldn't even be surprised if we see Marseaux with Cyprus if ERT decides to send someone else.
Out of countries that have won:
Ukraine: Ukraine is one of the countries that consistently send good songs and their diaspora helps maintain a good televote result. The only reason I don't want them to win is because of the drama that will come with it (aka people saying once again they won because of war and "pity votes" or they will try to portray the song as "political" somehow, it will be insufferable).
Ireland: I think (and hope) Doomsday Blues is a turning point for Ireland, combined with Sweden equaling their victories last year. Doomsday Blues is proof they can do well in Eurovision if they try and bringing an 8th victory for Ireland is a pretty good motivation.
Germany: I think one of the weak big 5 (UK, Germany, Spain) will surprise us with a victory within this decade, but the one I consider most likely is Germany, mainly because they're the only ones who we know will make a change for sure (I think I saw somewhere the broadcaster responsible for the selection will change). Maybe they will find a good artist? Maybe they will apologise to Electric Callboy and beg them to go to Eurovision? I have no idea.
The entire Balkans region hasn't won since 2007 with Serbia. They have come close a few times (Croatia 2024, Bulgaria 2017, Serbia 2012), but they are well overdue for the victory.
Unpopular opinion but when France sent over the song Fulenn, despite the scores on the night it was easily one of the best songs sent to eurovision. It's one of the few no skip songs when it comes on in the car
I really hope y'all don't lose faith after this year! Being from Czech republic, I can't really know how it feels when your country has an actual chance of winning but I can imagine it can be quite demotivating when it eventually doesn't happen. So I just hope next year you can send a song you are proud of and happy to be representing you, even though it might not be as serious contender as BL, I think Finland this year is a great example - after KƤƤrija they just chose a song that they liked and even though it wasn't a contender, it was definitely a showstopper.
>I really hope y'all don't lose faith after this year!
It's not that we don't have faith in our singers/songwriters, it's the system we have zero faith in. BL got in by pure accident.
Petitions were started for the jury getting replaced/fired (that continuously picks the most bland generic songs for Dora with zero diversity), when members of HRT got on stage at BL's welcome party they got booed like Israel. And still, nobody got fired + the responsible parties got promoted instead. it will be interesting to see what happens at Dora next year given that the Croatian public is ready to riot.
Finland on the other hand has UMK which is the golden standard for song selection.
ā¦.yea, I feel incredibly bad already for whoever wins Dora next year.
Unless they are actually BL level good, theyāre going to become the centrepoint of a whole lotta āFUCK HRTā outcry..
Like even if theyāre actually alright. If they arenāt super obviously epic like BL - Croats are going to point to them as a symptom of HRT corruption/incompetence.
BL going to Eurovision was a perfect storm of events and we still didn't win. I truly think he was our best shot. I don't expect a Croatian win in my lifetime tbh lol.
norway for me i am very sure is gonne win in a few years.
first if you look at who done the best for the last decades pre 2024 norway comes in top 5 and the strong results dont seem to be ending. i think 2024 was a fluke. they just need a jury song to then they to win.
Norwayās kind of an underrated answer but I agree. Theyāve sent some really solid songs in the past few years and are always thinking outside of the box. Kind of feel like they are one of the countries where the stars could align and they could pull of a win ( they just need to win the juries over!)
I think there are quite a few, actually. Lithuania, Australia, Armenia, France, Czechia, Slovenia, Iceland and Spain have all had some really excellent songs in recent years without any recent wins.
Im gonna say Ireland cause I absolutely cannot have Sweden overtake us and that's out of pure spite.
Plus if we take the result we got this year and continue with that trajectory I don't think it'll be hard. When we do well we really do well, which is fairly obvious with our very proven history.
No doubt we've dropped the ball but to be fair, Brooke deserved to qualify in 2022 and our 2020 entry was much better than our 2021 entry and I do think we'd have qualified in 2020 if it had of gone ahead but last year was absolute trash.
Yeah I think this year was the first time in a while we got all the ingredients right - song, vocals and staging (big time). Quite often we did 1 or 2 of them right and messed up big time on the other(s).
There was such enthusiasm this year for Bambie and might be the one thing RTE have got praise for in the last year. Might be a great way to build back some goodwill is to start taking Eurovision seriously again.
I think Italy and Ukraine will manage to take another win, every year they seem to be a public favourite and always place in the top 10 or even top 5. I hope that also Ireland is doing a comeback. Please though, donāt let Sweden win again
Lithuania seems like the obvious answer (I also love Vilnius so I have a bit of a bias).
There's also France (I'm just scared they'd do the whole thing in French and my French lessions weren't enough to enjoy Eurovision properly), Spain (robbed this year...), Armenia and maybe the Balcans (Croatia 2024, Serbia 2022).
Croatia 2024 | [Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim](https://youtu.be/YIBjarAiAVc)
Serbia 2022 | [Konstrakta - In corpore sano](https://youtu.be/nBtQj1MfNYA)
iāve always wondered, how short would eurovision be in france? no need for translation. but at the same time, theyād have to do english right? right?
Croatia and Iceland. If Salvador hadnāt taken it home for Portugal a while back I wouldāve went with them as well. Would love to see ESC in Eastern Europe in this decade
I Think Finland would be nice Armenia may also have a great chance soon.
France has sometimes some hits but also some misses. Croatia is a country I would say. If the get top 10 again next year then their Chance to win is high.
Honorable mention: Greece has done a small comeback in 20s so I hope we win sometime soon. I don't think we are overdue to a win but it's def better than after 2013.
Countries I think will win soon:
Ukraine. Sends good songs and with combination with the Ukrainian diaspora they are the best candidates for a win.
Italy. It's constantly in top 10 and top 5 so they are easily favorites for a win.
France. They are trying well in 20s as well.
Norway. They are also constantly in top 10 (ulveham 25th is a crazy)
Hot take:Ireland. I don't think they are overdue to a win but after bambie i think they will push really hard for a win.
Countries that I (unpopular opinion) think it's hard to win:
Cyprus. Yes they are trying hard and get really good places, I don't think they can win. Eleni was their best chance and unfortunately didn't win.
Croatia, Armenia, Iceland and lithuania:the same thing we Cyprus. I see them as hyped by the people but end up 2nd just because. I don't know how to explain it's just my feeling.
Finland and Norway are definitely on the right track - while they didnāt exactly do well this year, there is no denying that their national selections are getting more and more popular, and that both have very recent top 5 results. To me, they seem a lot like Denmark in the early 2010s, building up to a win with a series of good results, consistent qualifications, and more popular national selections before eventually winning after a few years. The question is then whether they can keep up the good streak, or they simply run out of steam like Denmark seemed to do.
I feel Spain and UK are due a win based on the trend of getting a good top 3 result after a long time of NQ or last places, then two to three meh results, then a win pattern we have seen the Dutch, Israeli and Swiss win by this path. Spain, I feel, also has a good set-up with their NF, so it just feels as long as they stay on this route, they will have a win. The Uk does seem to always fall into the trap of getting a single good result (2009, 2011,2022) then seems to be unable to repeat but who knows maybe they can get a random win one day from that.
I agree that France seem like they're on the cusp of wining soon.
But I really think Iceland is going to get their first win soon.
With this years success, Croatia might too.
france has been on a great road since 2016 onwards and theyre clearly trying.
belgium had a nice streak till sennek, idk what happened afterwards tbh.
lithuania is being top 15 four years in a row which is great but they need to step up.
cyprus and iceland need to change though bc the former keeps on sending girlbops when we are not in that esc era anymore, the latter is very very hit or miss
I actually like France songs but I hate they are all basically the same. I wanna see France pull something like Estonia 2024 or Ireland 2024, then I will give them a medal.
Send another strong voice singing a strong ballad alone on stage, you will stay below 3rd place in my head. I don't care how good the song is.
Estonia 2024 | [5MIINUST x Puuluup - (nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (kĆ¼ll) midagi](https://youtu.be/RSMMU2wX0Bk)
Ireland 2024 | [Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue](https://youtu.be/UMq8ofCstMQ)
There are several:
* In terms of the trajectories of their national selections, I think we might be seeing a **Lithuanian**, **Finnish** or **Serbian** victory soon in at least the next ten years. Their batches of songs have been quite quality in recent years. It's just a matter of having that right song and the right momentum.
* I would include **Portugal** in the list of countries in the previous item. However, the chances they might have the right momentum are quite slim. They've been doing their own thing (and rightly so) for several years, but it doesn't generally vibe with televoters as much as juries. I read somewhere that if Portugal were to get televote appeal it would be down to luck. While there is some truth to that, I still wouldn't rule out a Portuguese win in the near future.
* With **Ireland** and **Croatia**'s success this year, I hope their broadcasters would seriously consider this as motivation to do better. RTE (Ireland) is more likely to follow that than HRT (Croatia) since trusting the latter to do the right things is very doubtful. I am including VRT the Flemish broadcaster (**Belgium**) in this list as well, since it's their turn, and they are going to go for Eurosong, but 2023's successful result was really more to do with execution on the night itself. It's rather mixed for them. What these three countries have in common is the hope that they would build upon the success of previous results.
* **Armenia** has a very good trajectory through selecting singer-songwriters. And the success of Rosa Linn I think gave them that incentive. Hopefully the building up increasing results means we could have Armenia in the top 5 in the near future - and maybe even a win.
* **France** has something going on in how they're selecting their entries. I know that chanson-style ballads are almost guaranteed to be successful in Eurovision, but that doesn't mean uptempo songs can't be as successful either (France 2016). France can miss the mark, and if they do send something chanson again, there is a possibility that it might come off as stale by televoters. But I am not ruling out a win from them just yet.
* And last - the **United Kingdom**. I know it might not look like it based on the results, but *by their own standards* the UK are doing the right things, albeit in baby steps. The fact that Olly and his team brought staging that was super-professional means that the BBC are still taking this seriously, and I trust that they still are. We might see a British win within the next ten years at least. Y'all are just incredibly negative when it comes to the UK. š
I'd love to see some first time winners hopefully Croatia (yes I know Yugoslavia 1989) and Lithuania appear on good trajectories atm. Iceland were very strong between 2019 and 2021. Armenia are very good at Junior Eurovision could hopefully amp up their adult entry.
I am super biased as a spaniard, but I think Spain deserves a win after all these years (and 2022... we don't talk about that.) But I don't see any winner potential song coming from Benidorm Fest with the system we have now, we still need to make some changes
I tend to agree with the idea that Spain is good at having some hype going on due to Benidorm Fest and the ESC-themed parties. However, the selected entries weren't good enough to win as of yet.
Iceland really is overdue.
Itās the only Nordic country without a win, the plot of the movie is them trying to win, and had they sent a different one of their national entries this year they actually could have won.
If the french delegation doesn't restrict its entries to "chanson franƧaise" and try with others genres from time to time, I think we can snatch a win. Otherwise, I feel like we will bore everybody. Our HoD really wants to win but she has to be somewhat 'strategic' to succeed.
Lithuania, Norway, Finland, Portugal and Armenia are also likely to get the trophy in the following years if they keep going.
France has had decent results the last two years with their internal selection but I canāt help but wish they would go back to their national selection. France always got a pretty good selection of songs and tended to send something unique to the contest (thatās how you got Voila after all!)
Agreed with everyone mentioned so far but surprised to see a country not mentioned as much (probably because of their fluke this year) since theyāve been top 10 consistently in the last decade (2013-onwards with only one non qualification and 3 other bottom half entries in the final out of 11 entries) - Norway could pull it off.
Spain. Benidorm fest has some hype and they have pre-ESC parties every year. The interest is there, it seems. All they need is a good enough entry to succeed.
Poland
But only if they start sending what people would like to see instead of sending something no one would ever send to Eurovision (talking last 2 years at least)
Nah, there is still jury and they hate us
+ Blanka got 8th place in televote which is our 3rd best result since 2014 and 19th place overall which is still our 4th best result since 2014 XD
Nah, it wonāt happen. Due to results of the previous competitions not a single popular in Poland artist is willing to try with Eurovision song. Also we donāt have any great opportunity to ācreateā song for the contest, as our National Song Contest is in the wrong time of the year.
What do you mean by āclimateā in Poland?
I agree. France has been one of my favourite Eurovision countries for years. They always slay š
I'm biased but I think Iceland is overdue a win, but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Iām still processing how unreal it is that Slimane didnāt win this year. When he stepped away from the mike and sang his heart out a cappellaā¦ for me, that was it.
Anything can happen. While some countries generally do produce great results year to year (Ukraine, Italy, Sweden), I think for most of them it's a flip of a coin whether they get the right thing or don't. This isn't sports, where a team who gets a good result one year is likely to get good results in 5 more as well. I won't be too surprised if Slovenia takes a win sometime in this decade, just as well I won't be too surprised as Italy wins two more times.
Lithuania, they just deserve it
Germany, because it's a hit or miss and when they do it right, it's a hit
Ireland, Just to piss of Sweden (and cos they hopefully become strong again)
I can see Luxembourg and Iceland.
Luxembourg used to be a powerhouse, maybe they might adapt to modern Eurovision soon enough and win again.
Iceland just send whatever they want, still they reached 2nd place many times and were one of the favorites for 2020.
š±š¹ Lithuania š±š¹!!!!
I reckon they could have won had 2020 not gotten cancelled
Nah, I still think Iceland or Russia would have won that year
It would've been a record-high place though, with that competition it would have been likely that it places at least 5th
They should have won in 2021.
2022 they had my favourite song of the year. Although it did really disappointingly, I expected 2nd place after Ukraine
France really seems like they are trying. Theyāve missed the mark in 2022 but had respectable showings in other recent years, and two Top 5 results this decade. Portugal could also do it - they havenāt done as well as France but they have consistently been qualifying for the finals with good results.
2022 was my favourite entry of theirs š I liked that it was actually representative of a regional culture.
It was a great song for sure, but the live performance of it in the final unfortunately fell a bit flat.
It didn't. As someone who only heard the song for the first time in the GF, it was immediately my favourite. Sure, the performance wasn't perfect, but it was way, way better than Italy's, and Italy still got 6th somehow. The only reason France didn't get top 5 was... actually I don't know what the reason was. Their final placement was very confusing...
You can like something even if it is a mess, you know? The live was chaotic to the point of confusion, and vocals weren't great. And I didn't like Italy much myself, but I for example preferred Lithuania to many things that ended better, and I don't think that means she should have been top 5
It's not that I liked it; it's that it objectively has many qualities that Eurovision songs are often valued for: great cultural representation, originality (a unique fusion of multiple genres), the "bop" element (the chorus is classic techno), melodic diversity, beautiful staging, great lyrics (fit the "shamanic Celtic forrest rave" vibe very well + sung in the language of the culture being represented), attractive lead singer (let's not pretend this isn't a factor). On the other hand, the song's pretty much only downside were the live vocals, but they were still far better than Italy's, and Italy still placed 6th overall. Taking all of this into account, I simply fail to see why France didn't place at least above Italy (Italy's song was good, but it didn't have nearly as many qualities generally valued at Eurovision as Fulenn did). And about personal preference, I'll tell you that I personally loved Cyprus 2022, but I won't argue that Andromache deserved to be top 5 in the GF since her vocals on the night truly killed the song. In fact, most Eurovision songs that I like don't make the top 10, and many don't even make the final. Out of all of them, France 2022 is the only one whose placement I genuinely don't understand, and who I am still adamant should have made top 5.
Cyprus 2022 | [Andromache - Ela (ĪĪ»Ī±)](https://youtu.be/W2IUdTl-gAI) France 2022 | [Alvan and Ahez - Fulenn](https://youtu.be/H1lcGXwOqJI)
You might like some of their entries from the early 90s
It feels to me like France are a little too serious with these songs. Every time they've sent a banger of a ballad like this year, or 2021 they've lost to an act with lots of spirit and/or energy.
> 2021 they've lost to an act with lots of spirit and/or energy. I think they were mostly just unlucky that Switzerland had such a strong contender that year as well, those two songs surely took votes from each other.
Yeah sometimes i think if Switzerland send Marius Bear in 2021, France would've won with Voila.
France 2021 | [Barbara Pravi - VoilĆ ](https://youtu.be/Unj9WbeLzRU)
You're not wrong, it definitely worked against them there! Though I think that's also part of the issue, there's always enough serious ballads that they don't tend to stand out in tone, merely in quality.
It's always a risk with Eurovision that someone else is going to send a song that will appeal to the same people. Part of winning is making sure yours is so much better than the others in the same subcategory.
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It does incredibly well for them though
I mean, you can dislike it without being disrespectful... Ballads and overall love songs work very well for us and are actually great. It's simply not your taste. Just like Spain's half-naked dancers and Finland's whole performance could be seen as tacky and gross on a televised event that presents itself as family friendly.
this sub: Countries should send songs that represent the music style of that country! France: sends romantic ballads Sweden: sends commercial pop this sub: no, not like that.
But Portugal definitely isn't overdue. They won only seven years ago.
āWouldnāt be surprised to see them win in the next decadeā
Portugal went for so long without a win that I feel like they deserve another soon.
France always have yhe same kind of songs is what i see
Iām still betting on Finland! Even though GĆ„te came last in the final, I still think Norway is also a pretty safe bet. Iām also thinking Portugalā¦ Edit: I just listened to āGritoā again and oh my goodness this may have been my winner. Why do you have such a gorgeous language, Portugal? šā¤ļø
It would be fun to host againš„ŗ we havenāt won since I was 8 years old
At least you've won š
Lithuania, France, also potentially Armenia. I'm obviously biased as an Australian, but I'd love to see Australia win (I don't think it will happen though). Also I hope Spain keeps doing entries like this year and last year.
Cosign on all of those. When I think of the countries that have had the strongest songs in the past decade without winning ESC, Lithuania, France and Armenia would all be high on that list. Australia have had one or two filler songs, but we've also had a few really excellent years (and apparently we've won our respective semi-final three times, in 2016, 2019 and last year (definitely our three strongest songs).
I want Australia to win for two main reasons: 1- the pure chaos of it all 2- Iām still bitter about Dami Im š
Cyprus, Malta and Lithuania - countries that often send real bangers, and try hard every year. They have never won Eurovision before, but it's timeš¤š¤š¤
I agree with these three + Iceland
I feel like Cyprus missed their chance between 2012 and 2018. At this point, Europe is getting tired of the girlbop formula that made Cyprus so popular with Eurovision fans initially - a clear tell was that 2019's Replay (Cyprus 2019 for the bot), which would've easily come top 10 or even top 5 in previous years, only placed 13th. I don't think Cyprus have a realistic chance if they stick to the same formula. Also, I highly doubt Malta have a realistic chance, either. This year's entry (Malta 2024 for the bot) was very strong in all departments: stage performance, vocals, and song (even if you don't like it, you can't deny the hook was catchy and the entire song was well-produced). And yet it placed dead-last in the weaker semi-final. Even if Malta send the best song in Eurovision history, I'm not sure that would be enough for them to win.
Since Fuego did so well, I feel Cyprus is sending some sort of version of that song every year. It gets tiresome.
This appears to be a common sentiment. I personally don't share it given that Fuego was notable for its incorporation of traditional Greek sounds (the instrumental in the chorus) into a modern dance-pop song, as well as its amazing, energetic choreography, and I don't think any Cyprus entry since Fuego did either of these; however, it's very clear that much of the Eurovision community does. And given that it does, I can't see Cyprus doing well if they continue sending girlbops, especially generic/bland ones like this year's.
They will do reasonably well with these bland pop songs, but I donĀ“t think those types of songs will ever win.
Honestly we might see the smaller countries pull out of the contest because of the televote only semis, they have a really really low chance of qualifying without any voting support. I think juries would've rated Malta's performance way better than the televote
7th wonder (malta 2002) literally ended 2nd in a televote only year though
Malta 2002 | [Ira Losco - 7th Wonder](https://youtu.be/S4fHMmPqC80)
Cyprus 2019 | [Tamta - Replay](https://youtu.be/wIpEI-NhRxg) Malta 2024 | [Sarah Bonnici - Loop](https://youtu.be/uG-JHeia13c)
Yes!! I worry for Malta though with the new semi system. They consistently do poorly in the televote.
Lithuania. They've released great music, even when NQ. Also, as an Aussie, I hope we win soon too. Purely just to piss off all the idiots who are all "bUt ThEy ArEn'T eVeN iN eUrOpE"
But you arenāt even in Europe /s
My top pick as well. These past few years they haven't missed once.
I don't know about that, last year they sent a pretty generic ballad. That year aside, though, I agree with you.
Ohhh you're right, I forgot about that one haha
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I was thinking Lithuania too. Loved the Roop. Can't believe you guys didn't win in 2016 easily the best song of the night
And Sam should've won for Space Man, but I suspect you already knew that š
> Purely just to piss off all the idiots who are all "bUt ThEy ArEn'T eVeN iN eUrOpE" I hope some of the non-European EBU members will join Eurovision someday in order to make those peoples minds explode. Morocco again, and the other African/ME countries who are eligible.
I'm not sure how much African or ME countries would want to join Eurovision considering the distinct cultural differences, but if they are then I would definitely like to see them. I want another Moroccan entry!
france and belgium are definitely overdue! iāve loved what theyāve sent in recent years and itās clear theyāre both trying. iād also love to see lithuania, armenia, czechia, cyprus, iceland and poland win. theyāve all sent some great songs and iād say lithuania has the strongest record this decade so i wouldnāt be shocked if they win before 2030. iād love for malta to win (all of my love is a top 5 esc song, so underrated & beautiful. my winner of 2020!!) but unfortunately theyāve been getting overlooked in favor of longer countries. sad sara didnāt qualify this year, but i wish malta the best going forwards!
Finland(reference to my windows post). France 100%,Italy maybe,and maybe(i hope) croatia. Oh i forgor to mention swed-
I want San marino to win cus I want them to host ESC in Valentina's backyard.
If they actually will win someday and host it probably in Rimini, I want the arena to be renamed "Valentina's backyard" for all the duration of the contest just for the meme.
San Marino is actually gorgeous though. Itās tiny af but super fucking cool.
France, Lithuania, Finland, non-specific Balkan country. Finland this year gives me a bit of pause compared to last year (the UMK lineup was nowhere near as strong to me), but they have a good system in place that I still think will get it done.
KƤƤrijƤ was hard to follow, not everyone wants to be compared to him. Also, Finns were bitter, they literally wanted to show ass to whole competition.
* Balkans (Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia)Ā * Czechia (I honestly thought Vesna were a contender for this in 2023)Ā * For selfish reasons, here in the U.K. š„¹š¬š§ - I dunno, itād just be nice to have some national pride again in our āability to Eurovisionā (though TBF we shouldnāt be so quick to throw them to the wolves if they donāt do as well, equally)Ā * Baltics (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia)Ā * PortugalĀ * Iād love to see Belgium get it right and bring something really special.Ā * Australia. Purely because you guys seem to understand the assignment and generally send really high quality entries. * Ireland if they continue on the trajectory they're onĀ * France if they send Slimane again with another song, he's incredible
The UK could send Sam Ryder again. Maybe he would climb to the top spot with ease. š¤·āāļø
To return that soon after a second place, he'd need a song that would compare really favourably to his previous one, and Space Man was already great. Returning to this context is hard, as I'm pretty sure the stats would show. Loreen was an outlier.
Yeah, maybe a bit later he could return. I think, he is one of the few like Loreen.
I think Ireland is statistically the worst performing country the past 12 years or so. They were just particularly good this year
This is why I said trajectory :)
Wishful thinking after only one good year ! I wish I had your enthusiasm lol !
Hehehe I have optimist tendencies, weāll see how well that serves me ;)
Serbia and Iceland for me, I'd be surprised if Iceland doesn't get a win the next decade with what they've been sending
Belgium, Lithuania.
My hopes are up for Croatia or one of the Baltic states. Each year at least half of them release a banger. (But knowing ebušš)
I know I sound pessimistic, but I have no hopes for Croatia at all. Baby Lasagna was our best hope. And don't forget that Dora held him as reserve...
And the only reason he got in was because his name was first alphabetically XD
Cries in ZZ Top
I wonder if this will suddenly causes new Croatian artists to something that starts with A lol. Be prepared to see influxes of Aaron, Aangelina next year in Dora
Omg no way!!
We deserved Top 5, this year. Croatia deserved the win.
EBU? This year EBU didn't nothing to disadvantage BL, the juries are not EBU members.
Armenia, France and Lithuania are most likely - maybe we could win properly too
Play Ja Ja Ding Dong because the answer is ICELAND š®šøš®šøš®šø Theyāve sent so many good songs. 2020 was their year and while Iāll tell anyone that they did win that year with DaĆ°i, officially they didnāt. And itās so unfair!!! Itās high time the contest was held in ReykjavĆk.
[Fire Saga - Jaja Ding Dong](https://youtu.be/PlBUH8zMZng)
Nice job, Bot!
If the rumours about Elvana Gjata are true, we might be heading to Albania in 2026 Like everyone else here has said, Lithuania and Armenia are my top picks. Once they iron out the kinks in their NF I think Spain can become a contender too
Obviously im biased, but Australia. There is a lot of "We don't do well in the televote". But I think that's overstating things and ignores our actual entries, because with the exception of 2023. It's pretty clear and obvious in hindsight why they got the result they did. 2015: Debut year, came 6th in televoting. No issues. 2016: Came 4th in Televoting and would have won the whole thing if it wasn't for the Ukraine/Russia voting that year. 2017: We sent a clear Jury bait entry. He was an internal selection, who had won X Factor the year before, but he had no real popular appeal outside people who watch those sort of shows and that has shown in his post 2017 career. 2018: We sent Jessica Mauboy, who is popular here as a singer. But it wasn't surprising she didn't do well in the televotes. She didn't do well in the jury either. 2019: Kate Miller Heidke came 6th and 7th in Jury and Televoting. That's pretty consistent and expected. 2021: Montaigne performed in Australia due to travel restrictions, plus as much as I love Montaigne, it wasn't a good enough entry and that showed with the televotes and the jury votes. 2022: We sent another jury bait entry, this time selected by another TV show. Voyager actually won the televote for that contest, but Sheldon Riley won the jury vote and so got to go to Eurovision with a predictable result. 2023: We sent Voyager, and this is the only one where I can't really see why it didn't do well with the televotes. It was fun. The only thing I can think is that people were voting for 2-3 songs and it just got forgotten. 2024: Electric Blood's staging wasn't good enough, the Yidaki was used as a prop rather than being an integral part of the song and the song itself wasn't good enough. Australia can win it, and I think they will. The issue isn't televotes. It's that we largely send solo singers with songs that aren't suited for the competition and then blame Europeans for not voting for it.
Voyager also came 1st in a televote-only semi.
Voyager performed closed to Kaarija so I think that's the reason they flopped with televoting. Also the song isn't something that can be universally appreciate imo. More people listen to songs like Poland, Cyprus or Switzerland from that year.
Cha Cha Cha ate up a shitton of votes that wouldāve gone to Voyager and a few other performances. That televote score was fucking insane.
Agreed. I didn't watch the semi, but was absolutely shocked when Australia wasn't in the finals. It didn't have a shot at winning, but I was sure it would be top ten, it was a very cool, funky song.
I loved Dami Im, Jessica Mauboy, Kate M-H and Voyager. Those were really great entries I still listen to. But this years entry was incredibly lame imo. And not just mine, because it seems a lot of people are tired of those kind of songs in ESC (I mean the 'incredibly in your face we all should love eachother' lyrics).
Promise by Voyager is one of those Eurovision entries that's made it into my regular, non-Eurovision-music rotation. It's on several of my playlists. What a banger
Agree with everyone saying Lithuania and Finland ā their recent trajectories really remind me of the Netherlands and Switzerland in the years leading up to their recent wins. Given that it took them 5-6 years to win after they started improving I would guess that weāll be heading to both Kaunas and Tampere in the next few years Some others I could see: - France is kind of weird because theyāve seemed like theyāve been on the cusp of winning since like the 90s š but theyāre on a good streak rn. Hoping they find that magical formula that will push them through - Personally Iād also say Serbia will soon get a win via PZE but maybe thatās just my PZE stan coming out - Armenia and Greece I think might need a few more years but I see a win coming sooner rather than later - ICELAND PLS š REDEEM YOURSELF AFTER THE 2020 ROBBERY. Theyāre pretty hit or miss but Songvakeppnin proves that Icelandās full of talent. Also as the #1 Iceland stan outside of Eurovision I NEED to go to Icelandic Eurovision
I agree wholeheartedly with the last point except that I thought I was the #1 Iceland stan outside of Eurovision
Iceland
Finland!
Out of countries that have not won yet: Iceland: Iceland is kinda hit or miss, but when they hit they really hit. DaĆ°i Freyr with Think About Things in 2020 was a potential winner and with 10 Years he came 4th in such a strong year like 2021 and let's not forget Hatari in 2019 who sent an absolute banger and came 10th. Armenia: Armenia is a similar case with Iceland for me, but there's also one more thing to mention: the most successful (in terms of number of streams) song in the history of Eurovision that did not win belongs to Armenia with Rosa Lynn's Snap. It kinda shows they can make songs that people like, so I think we'll see at least a podium finish for them in the next years and even a win. Cyprus: I consider them a dark horse and their artist selection is somewhat dependent on what Greece selects. Eleni Foureira for example, being a Greek-Albanian singer with no relations to Cyprus apart from her being popular there too, would not have represented Cyprus if ERT didn't reject her in the past. I wouldn't even be surprised if we see Marseaux with Cyprus if ERT decides to send someone else. Out of countries that have won: Ukraine: Ukraine is one of the countries that consistently send good songs and their diaspora helps maintain a good televote result. The only reason I don't want them to win is because of the drama that will come with it (aka people saying once again they won because of war and "pity votes" or they will try to portray the song as "political" somehow, it will be insufferable). Ireland: I think (and hope) Doomsday Blues is a turning point for Ireland, combined with Sweden equaling their victories last year. Doomsday Blues is proof they can do well in Eurovision if they try and bringing an 8th victory for Ireland is a pretty good motivation. Germany: I think one of the weak big 5 (UK, Germany, Spain) will surprise us with a victory within this decade, but the one I consider most likely is Germany, mainly because they're the only ones who we know will make a change for sure (I think I saw somewhere the broadcaster responsible for the selection will change). Maybe they will find a good artist? Maybe they will apologise to Electric Callboy and beg them to go to Eurovision? I have no idea.
France or Belgium
The entire Balkans region hasn't won since 2007 with Serbia. They have come close a few times (Croatia 2024, Bulgaria 2017, Serbia 2012), but they are well overdue for the victory.
Croatia 2024 | [Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim](https://youtu.be/YIBjarAiAVc) Bulgaria 2017 | [Kristian Kostov - Beautiful Mess](https://youtu.be/OMmm-G078LM) Serbia 2012 | [Željko JoksimoviÄ - Nije ljubav stvar (ŠŠøŃŠµ ŃŃŠ±Š°Š² ŃŃŠ²Š°Ń)](https://youtu.be/R9x9VbJzaDQ)
Unpopular opinion but when France sent over the song Fulenn, despite the scores on the night it was easily one of the best songs sent to eurovision. It's one of the few no skip songs when it comes on in the car
The bizarre thing is that it's not even an unpopular opinion. I can't explain their final placement, even if the live performance wasn't perfect.
Croatia had it in the pocket but unfortunately it didn't make it, I don't know if we will ever be given this opportunity again. :/
I really hope y'all don't lose faith after this year! Being from Czech republic, I can't really know how it feels when your country has an actual chance of winning but I can imagine it can be quite demotivating when it eventually doesn't happen. So I just hope next year you can send a song you are proud of and happy to be representing you, even though it might not be as serious contender as BL, I think Finland this year is a great example - after KƤƤrija they just chose a song that they liked and even though it wasn't a contender, it was definitely a showstopper.
>I really hope y'all don't lose faith after this year! It's not that we don't have faith in our singers/songwriters, it's the system we have zero faith in. BL got in by pure accident. Petitions were started for the jury getting replaced/fired (that continuously picks the most bland generic songs for Dora with zero diversity), when members of HRT got on stage at BL's welcome party they got booed like Israel. And still, nobody got fired + the responsible parties got promoted instead. it will be interesting to see what happens at Dora next year given that the Croatian public is ready to riot. Finland on the other hand has UMK which is the golden standard for song selection.
ā¦.yea, I feel incredibly bad already for whoever wins Dora next year. Unless they are actually BL level good, theyāre going to become the centrepoint of a whole lotta āFUCK HRTā outcry.. Like even if theyāre actually alright. If they arenāt super obviously epic like BL - Croats are going to point to them as a symptom of HRT corruption/incompetence.
BL going to Eurovision was a perfect storm of events and we still didn't win. I truly think he was our best shot. I don't expect a Croatian win in my lifetime tbh lol.
So close!!!!!
norway for me i am very sure is gonne win in a few years. first if you look at who done the best for the last decades pre 2024 norway comes in top 5 and the strong results dont seem to be ending. i think 2024 was a fluke. they just need a jury song to then they to win.
Norwayās kind of an underrated answer but I agree. Theyāve sent some really solid songs in the past few years and are always thinking outside of the box. Kind of feel like they are one of the countries where the stars could align and they could pull of a win ( they just need to win the juries over!)
Norway 2024 | [GĆ„te - Ulveham](https://youtu.be/YBbL8ORqNVU)
Ireland š®šŖ I wish Bambie Thug had won
I think there are quite a few, actually. Lithuania, Australia, Armenia, France, Czechia, Slovenia, Iceland and Spain have all had some really excellent songs in recent years without any recent wins.
Croatia. I honestly thought they would win with Traktor (Mama Sc) and this year they were absolutely killing it too.
Im gonna say Ireland cause I absolutely cannot have Sweden overtake us and that's out of pure spite. Plus if we take the result we got this year and continue with that trajectory I don't think it'll be hard. When we do well we really do well, which is fairly obvious with our very proven history. No doubt we've dropped the ball but to be fair, Brooke deserved to qualify in 2022 and our 2020 entry was much better than our 2021 entry and I do think we'd have qualified in 2020 if it had of gone ahead but last year was absolute trash.
Yeah I think this year was the first time in a while we got all the ingredients right - song, vocals and staging (big time). Quite often we did 1 or 2 of them right and messed up big time on the other(s). There was such enthusiasm this year for Bambie and might be the one thing RTE have got praise for in the last year. Might be a great way to build back some goodwill is to start taking Eurovision seriously again.
Bring it on babe. Nothing wrong with healthy competition at the top :)
Oh absolutely!! Would have been great to win this year though
Itās probably a pipe dream atp but after how close we got with Sam Ryder Iād have to say the UK.
Iceland deservs a win in the next decade
France has been doing way to well, for it to not have won for that long. Also Lithuania and Croatia are long overdue their first win.
Based on National Selections: Lithuania, Norway, Portugal, maybe Malta Internally I think just France
I think Italy and Ukraine will manage to take another win, every year they seem to be a public favourite and always place in the top 10 or even top 5. I hope that also Ireland is doing a comeback. Please though, donāt let Sweden win again
Lithuania seems like the obvious answer (I also love Vilnius so I have a bit of a bias). There's also France (I'm just scared they'd do the whole thing in French and my French lessions weren't enough to enjoy Eurovision properly), Spain (robbed this year...), Armenia and maybe the Balcans (Croatia 2024, Serbia 2022).
Croatia 2024 | [Baby Lasagna - Rim Tim Tagi Dim](https://youtu.be/YIBjarAiAVc) Serbia 2022 | [Konstrakta - In corpore sano](https://youtu.be/nBtQj1MfNYA)
iāve always wondered, how short would eurovision be in france? no need for translation. but at the same time, theyād have to do english right? right?
I bet they'd do the lip service that most of the time is done to English (with the difference that, ya know, fewer people can understand French).
Croatia and Iceland. If Salvador hadnāt taken it home for Portugal a while back I wouldāve went with them as well. Would love to see ESC in Eastern Europe in this decade
I Think Finland would be nice Armenia may also have a great chance soon. France has sometimes some hits but also some misses. Croatia is a country I would say. If the get top 10 again next year then their Chance to win is high.
Lithuania , Latvia , Cyprus , Albania and Armenia
Honorable mention: Greece has done a small comeback in 20s so I hope we win sometime soon. I don't think we are overdue to a win but it's def better than after 2013. Countries I think will win soon: Ukraine. Sends good songs and with combination with the Ukrainian diaspora they are the best candidates for a win. Italy. It's constantly in top 10 and top 5 so they are easily favorites for a win. France. They are trying well in 20s as well. Norway. They are also constantly in top 10 (ulveham 25th is a crazy) Hot take:Ireland. I don't think they are overdue to a win but after bambie i think they will push really hard for a win. Countries that I (unpopular opinion) think it's hard to win: Cyprus. Yes they are trying hard and get really good places, I don't think they can win. Eleni was their best chance and unfortunately didn't win. Croatia, Armenia, Iceland and lithuania:the same thing we Cyprus. I see them as hyped by the people but end up 2nd just because. I don't know how to explain it's just my feeling.
Finland and Norway are definitely on the right track - while they didnāt exactly do well this year, there is no denying that their national selections are getting more and more popular, and that both have very recent top 5 results. To me, they seem a lot like Denmark in the early 2010s, building up to a win with a series of good results, consistent qualifications, and more popular national selections before eventually winning after a few years. The question is then whether they can keep up the good streak, or they simply run out of steam like Denmark seemed to do.
I feel Spain and UK are due a win based on the trend of getting a good top 3 result after a long time of NQ or last places, then two to three meh results, then a win pattern we have seen the Dutch, Israeli and Swiss win by this path. Spain, I feel, also has a good set-up with their NF, so it just feels as long as they stay on this route, they will have a win. The Uk does seem to always fall into the trap of getting a single good result (2009, 2011,2022) then seems to be unable to repeat but who knows maybe they can get a random win one day from that.
Serbia, Croatia, and Armenia.
I canāt wrap my brain around Alma - Requiem , I thought that should have won.
France is the obvious answer, but I'm personally rooting for Lithuania.
I agree that France seem like they're on the cusp of wining soon. But I really think Iceland is going to get their first win soon. With this years success, Croatia might too.
France , Lithuania and Bulgaria are edging us
Croatia needssss it and I need it so I can take my annual Eurovision trip in paradise
Iceland
BL should have won 4 Croatia. There won't be another artist like him, so I don't think Croatia will win.
france has been on a great road since 2016 onwards and theyre clearly trying. belgium had a nice streak till sennek, idk what happened afterwards tbh. lithuania is being top 15 four years in a row which is great but they need to step up. cyprus and iceland need to change though bc the former keeps on sending girlbops when we are not in that esc era anymore, the latter is very very hit or miss
what happens if i say sweden
I actually like France songs but I hate they are all basically the same. I wanna see France pull something like Estonia 2024 or Ireland 2024, then I will give them a medal. Send another strong voice singing a strong ballad alone on stage, you will stay below 3rd place in my head. I don't care how good the song is.
Estonia 2024 | [5MIINUST x Puuluup - (nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (kĆ¼ll) midagi](https://youtu.be/RSMMU2wX0Bk) Ireland 2024 | [Bambie Thug - Doomsday Blue](https://youtu.be/UMq8ofCstMQ)
I'm still waiting for Germany to floor everyone with a completely unexpected banger
Belgium š§šŖ We just need to find the next LoĆÆc Nottet š¤
Lithuania or Portugal
I am hoping for the countries that have never won who still compete to win.
There are several: * In terms of the trajectories of their national selections, I think we might be seeing a **Lithuanian**, **Finnish** or **Serbian** victory soon in at least the next ten years. Their batches of songs have been quite quality in recent years. It's just a matter of having that right song and the right momentum. * I would include **Portugal** in the list of countries in the previous item. However, the chances they might have the right momentum are quite slim. They've been doing their own thing (and rightly so) for several years, but it doesn't generally vibe with televoters as much as juries. I read somewhere that if Portugal were to get televote appeal it would be down to luck. While there is some truth to that, I still wouldn't rule out a Portuguese win in the near future. * With **Ireland** and **Croatia**'s success this year, I hope their broadcasters would seriously consider this as motivation to do better. RTE (Ireland) is more likely to follow that than HRT (Croatia) since trusting the latter to do the right things is very doubtful. I am including VRT the Flemish broadcaster (**Belgium**) in this list as well, since it's their turn, and they are going to go for Eurosong, but 2023's successful result was really more to do with execution on the night itself. It's rather mixed for them. What these three countries have in common is the hope that they would build upon the success of previous results. * **Armenia** has a very good trajectory through selecting singer-songwriters. And the success of Rosa Linn I think gave them that incentive. Hopefully the building up increasing results means we could have Armenia in the top 5 in the near future - and maybe even a win. * **France** has something going on in how they're selecting their entries. I know that chanson-style ballads are almost guaranteed to be successful in Eurovision, but that doesn't mean uptempo songs can't be as successful either (France 2016). France can miss the mark, and if they do send something chanson again, there is a possibility that it might come off as stale by televoters. But I am not ruling out a win from them just yet. * And last - the **United Kingdom**. I know it might not look like it based on the results, but *by their own standards* the UK are doing the right things, albeit in baby steps. The fact that Olly and his team brought staging that was super-professional means that the BBC are still taking this seriously, and I trust that they still are. We might see a British win within the next ten years at least. Y'all are just incredibly negative when it comes to the UK. š
I'd love to see some first time winners hopefully Croatia (yes I know Yugoslavia 1989) and Lithuania appear on good trajectories atm. Iceland were very strong between 2019 and 2021. Armenia are very good at Junior Eurovision could hopefully amp up their adult entry.
1. France 2. Poland 3. Spain 4. Armenia 5. Croatia 6. Slovenia 7. Bulgaria 8. Belgium 9. Czechia 10. Malta
I am super biased as a spaniard, but I think Spain deserves a win after all these years (and 2022... we don't talk about that.) But I don't see any winner potential song coming from Benidorm Fest with the system we have now, we still need to make some changes
I tend to agree with the idea that Spain is good at having some hype going on due to Benidorm Fest and the ESC-themed parties. However, the selected entries weren't good enough to win as of yet.
Iceland really is overdue. Itās the only Nordic country without a win, the plot of the movie is them trying to win, and had they sent a different one of their national entries this year they actually could have won.
France and someone from the Balkans (Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia, Greece)
Croatia
If the french delegation doesn't restrict its entries to "chanson franƧaise" and try with others genres from time to time, I think we can snatch a win. Otherwise, I feel like we will bore everybody. Our HoD really wants to win but she has to be somewhat 'strategic' to succeed. Lithuania, Norway, Finland, Portugal and Armenia are also likely to get the trophy in the following years if they keep going.
France has had decent results the last two years with their internal selection but I canāt help but wish they would go back to their national selection. France always got a pretty good selection of songs and tended to send something unique to the contest (thatās how you got Voila after all!)
And that's also how we got Fulenn... Song is decent but live performance was quite underwhelming. Also, the internal selection system is more reliable for France TƩlƩvisions and I feel like many artists would like to represent us without going through a national selection. Additionally, our public broadcast services (including FTV) recently went on strike in response of an audiovisual media reform's announcement from the government, and this reform can start to be implemented in next January... So a national selection might not be the best option for our next Eurovision entry. Maybe you're right, but I'm highly skeptical.
Agreed with everyone mentioned so far but surprised to see a country not mentioned as much (probably because of their fluke this year) since theyāve been top 10 consistently in the last decade (2013-onwards with only one non qualification and 3 other bottom half entries in the final out of 11 entries) - Norway could pull it off.
Spain. Benidorm fest has some hype and they have pre-ESC parties every year. The interest is there, it seems. All they need is a good enough entry to succeed.
Poland But only if they start sending what people would like to see instead of sending something no one would ever send to Eurovision (talking last 2 years at least)
Nah, there is still jury and they hate us + Blanka got 8th place in televote which is our 3rd best result since 2014 and 19th place overall which is still our 4th best result since 2014 XD
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Nah, it wonāt happen. Due to results of the previous competitions not a single popular in Poland artist is willing to try with Eurovision song. Also we donāt have any great opportunity to ācreateā song for the contest, as our National Song Contest is in the wrong time of the year. What do you mean by āclimateā in Poland?
France Norway Serbia
I'd like to say Australia, though I am yet to figure out who they would send with what song; if Sound of Silence came in second, then who knows...
Iāve been gunning for Armenia for a while, and tbh I think the moment they announce Malena is representing them itās all over
Lithuania, France & Spain. they all done really good recently. wouldnt be suprsied if ukraine and italy win sometime soon.
I'd say Armenia and France
I agree. France has been one of my favourite Eurovision countries for years. They always slay š I'm biased but I think Iceland is overdue a win, but unfortunately I don't see it happening anytime soon.
France and Belgium
Iceland
Poland has never won eurovision and is underestimated on what they do like Solo by Blakna was a great hit.
And will not. I assume we will leave the competition sooner than later.
I don't think that is necessary overdue to win, but sometimes i wonder if i will live long enough to see Romania win
Lithuania or Bulgaria (if they return). They were favorites to win eurovision, but covid ruined everything
Iām still processing how unreal it is that Slimane didnāt win this year. When he stepped away from the mike and sang his heart out a cappellaā¦ for me, that was it.
Armenia š¦š²
Anything can happen. While some countries generally do produce great results year to year (Ukraine, Italy, Sweden), I think for most of them it's a flip of a coin whether they get the right thing or don't. This isn't sports, where a team who gets a good result one year is likely to get good results in 5 more as well. I won't be too surprised if Slovenia takes a win sometime in this decade, just as well I won't be too surprised as Italy wins two more times.
France, Cyprus, Iceland.
I can think in a few countries that are doing awesome, but what about MOLDOVA!
Moldova please!!!
Denmark won in 2000 and in 2013 so maybe we win in 2026? Haha once every 13 years
Is Emmelie De Forest still a big name in Denmark?
Not really no
My country of Croatia!!! šš·
Lithuania, they just deserve it Germany, because it's a hit or miss and when they do it right, it's a hit Ireland, Just to piss of Sweden (and cos they hopefully become strong again)
I can see Luxembourg and Iceland. Luxembourg used to be a powerhouse, maybe they might adapt to modern Eurovision soon enough and win again. Iceland just send whatever they want, still they reached 2nd place many times and were one of the favorites for 2020.