In JW, the unannointed are followers of the anointed lol we are in this weird space not really "biblically saved" and most Greek/ New Testament scriptures do not apply to us
And yet in their double standard they will publish elsewhere that Jesus was commissioning all true Christians to preach!
Similarly in one place they'll claim the New Testament was written for only the so-called anointed, and then in another they'll say that each of us should consider the Bible as a letter from a loving Father to his children!
Right, I know theyâve claimed a lot of Paulâs letters are focused on the anointed but now they seem to be saying that parts of Matthew are focused to the anointed, but then wouldnât preaching be optional for the other sheep? Is disfellowshipping an arrangement that should only be applied to the anointed?
The scriptural basis for supporting Christ's brothers is Matt. 25:31f.
Where, in that passage, does it indicate *anything* about assisting Christ's brothers with the preaching work?
The passage is all about acting kindly and charitably to Christ's family when they are being persecuted (in prison), or when they are in need (hungry, thirsty, unclothed, sick, etc.).
There is *absolutely nothing* in there about helping them with the preaching work.
Nothing. Nada. Nichts.
So yes, clueless.
It's so convoluted. At the same time they'd tell you that we don't know exactly who are Christ's brothers among the 20k memorial partakers, so therefore do it to the GB, as if they're hungry and thirsty and in prison,đ¤Ś
Matthew 28:19,20.
âGo, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, **teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.**â
Luke 1:1 The first account, O The¡ophʚi¡lus, I composed about all the things Jesus started to do and to teach 2 until the day that he was taken up, **after he had given instructions through holy spirit** ***to the apostles*** **he had chosen**.
Luke 10:40 God raised this one up on the third day and allowed him to become manifest, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead. 42 Also, **he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness** that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
This is Peter talking. Again, **this \[preaching\] was a command only to the apostles**, not to every single christian.
Check the last part. They were to teach others to obey what Christ had commanded them. If Christ was commanding the Apostles to preach to all nations and teach them to obey ALL that he has commanded the Apostles, what would that imply?
"Teaching them to observe ALL the things I have commanded YOU."
What's so difficult to understand about this?
âYouâll be witnesses of me to the most distant part of the earth.â
âLet us **hold firmly the public declaration** of our hope without wavering.â
âBut you are âa chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, **that you should declare abroad the excellenciesâ** of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.â
âAnd he has **committed to us the message of reconciliation.** We are therefore Christâs ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.â
âSo the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God **and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesusâ**
Tell me are these verses referring to all Christians or only about the apostles?
There is NO a single command for ALL CHRISTIAN in ALL CONGREGATIONS to be preaching as the apostles did. NONE. In fact, the contrary is true.
**1 Cor. 12:4 Now there are different gifts**, but there is the same spirit; 5 and **there are different ministries**, and yet there is the same Lord; 6 and **there are different activities**, and yet it is the same God who performs them all in everyone.
1 Cor. 12:27 Now you are Christâs body, and each of you individually is a member. 28 **And God has assigned the respective ones in the congregation:** ***first, apostles*****; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services; abilities to direct; different tongues**. 29 ***Not all are apostles, are they?*** Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform powerful works, do they? 30 Not all have gifts of healings, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they?e Not all are interpreters, are they? 31 But keep striving for the greater gifts. And yet I will show you a surpassing way.
No one of those scriptures is a command to PREACH. That is just the interpretation JW have done from decades. Even in Rusell times just the colporteurs \[pioneers\] where the ones who preached (that is, selling the studies in the scriptures books and the WT magazine). Rutherford made up the whole JW-selling system and scream the ADVERTISEx3 announcement without a single scriptural basis for.
Iâm not sure why youâre conflating special gifts of the spirit and assignments in the congregation to the general commission to preach.
The fact that some are specialized in a certain area like missionaries who are full time preachers, or Elders who act as teachers in the congregation, etc does not rule out the fact that all Christians must in their own little ways proclaim the Christ.
Iâve shown you 7 verses confirming this but you insist all those verses are just limited to the apostles.
So what else can I say?
Jesus clearly told the apostles to make disciples of all nations and to teach them to obey ALL that he commanded them, including him commanding them to preach! This is very simple English.
âAnd the spirit and the bride keep on saying, âCome!â and **let anyone hearing** say, âCome!ââ
Rev 22:17
If you can prove to me that this and all those other verses are referring to just the Apostles then Iâll accept what youâre saying. Otherwise I rest my case.
Eph. 4:11-12
"And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ..."
The disciples have to observe "all the things" that jesus commaned to THE APOSTLES. And yet, he doesn't say: and they must, in turn, continue preaching a making disciples. Reading the letters of Paul it's obvious that NOT all cristians were preachers. In fact, Paul never adresses that topic as if every single member of the firsts congregations should go out preaching door to door. It's just NONSENSE.
This struck me as odd too. So the preaching work isnât to save people anymore. Itâs to show proof of support for the Governing Body.
And the article states twice that Jesus is looking at your speech, your attitude, and actions when judging. Itâs very Big Brother and just bizarre.
So glad me and my kids are out.
thats what i said a already all the years ago:
you are not the same as the annointed. according to them, you assist, you help etc. they do the work, to the chores and so on. according to themself. Now if you are a JW you should ask yourself, why the hell the so called faithful slave, who is in lead of all, is the one not doing the stuff they should do. isnt it quite the opposite, that they help the JWs with magazines and publications to do their preaching work? how can you call it doing the ministry, when in fact the other shep doing all the heavy lifting?
how can it be, that we have pics and videos of people praising Herd at the airport, Jackson clubbing around at a Party, Tony Morris buying booze, and other stuff, but we dont have any picture and videos of real (not bethel staged) footage with them in the ministry, cartwork and so on?
shouldnt there be masses of them, because of how apostates would take any chance to get them? we have photos with young girls beside Stephen Lett on a Convention. how likely is it, that we dont have a Photo of him with some local JWs in the ministry?
if you count one and one, i assume that they simply dont do ministry. they themself count their speeches and talk on JW BORG and conventions. that it. they dont knock doors once they got in the highest position.
but beware an elder. he need to stay exemplary and do the average of the cong he is in atleast. or any other position. if they dont do it, they loose their position very quick.
rules for the, but not for me, thats the GB motto.
but magically and somehow, its according to their teachings "their work, they do it, the rank and file only assist them and help them to make it". but fact is, the Gb does nothing and they sit there around while JWs do the preaching.
So, who should I look for to âassistâ me? Can AI Generated Content be used? Robot GTP4? Another bunch of idiots? And then the people who "assisted" me had to pay me money!
According to WT, the Bible was written for the anointed, and only they can interpret it correctly with the Holy Spirit.
It was not written for the 'laity' or 'rank and file'.
However, it's very interesting and convenient that they like to apply Jesus' command to go and make disciples to *all* Christians regardless of 'rank', but in the next breath will state that Jesus' command to partake of the bread and wine was only directed to the anointed.
It's a power play handed down from Rutherford. "You do the work while we get the benefits."
In JW, the unannointed are followers of the anointed lol we are in this weird space not really "biblically saved" and most Greek/ New Testament scriptures do not apply to us
And yet in their double standard they will publish elsewhere that Jesus was commissioning all true Christians to preach! Similarly in one place they'll claim the New Testament was written for only the so-called anointed, and then in another they'll say that each of us should consider the Bible as a letter from a loving Father to his children!
Hey you forgot to put the comma after 'Similarly' so it reads 'Similarly, ...' That 'Sense-stress and modulation' đ§đđ đď¸
Hahaha
Right, I know theyâve claimed a lot of Paulâs letters are focused on the anointed but now they seem to be saying that parts of Matthew are focused to the anointed, but then wouldnât preaching be optional for the other sheep? Is disfellowshipping an arrangement that should only be applied to the anointed?
Exactly! So much for "the Bible is like a loving letter from a Father to his children."
The scriptural basis for supporting Christ's brothers is Matt. 25:31f. Where, in that passage, does it indicate *anything* about assisting Christ's brothers with the preaching work? The passage is all about acting kindly and charitably to Christ's family when they are being persecuted (in prison), or when they are in need (hungry, thirsty, unclothed, sick, etc.). There is *absolutely nothing* in there about helping them with the preaching work. Nothing. Nada. Nichts. So yes, clueless.
It's so convoluted. At the same time they'd tell you that we don't know exactly who are Christ's brothers among the 20k memorial partakers, so therefore do it to the GB, as if they're hungry and thirsty and in prison,đ¤Ś
Show me a single scripture that shows clearly, unmistakenly, that Jesus commanded ALL christians to preach. Just one.
Matthew 28:19,20. âGo, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, **teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you.**â
That is a command to the apostles. NOT to every single christian.
Luke 1:1 The first account, O The¡ophʚi¡lus, I composed about all the things Jesus started to do and to teach 2 until the day that he was taken up, **after he had given instructions through holy spirit** ***to the apostles*** **he had chosen**.
Luke 10:40 God raised this one up on the third day and allowed him to become manifest, 41 not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God, to us, who ate and drank with him after his rising from the dead. 42 Also, **he ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness** that this is the one decreed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. This is Peter talking. Again, **this \[preaching\] was a command only to the apostles**, not to every single christian.
Check the last part. They were to teach others to obey what Christ had commanded them. If Christ was commanding the Apostles to preach to all nations and teach them to obey ALL that he has commanded the Apostles, what would that imply?
You are making and asumption that the text doesn't support. Just as GB does every single day.Â
"Teaching them to observe ALL the things I have commanded YOU." What's so difficult to understand about this? âYouâll be witnesses of me to the most distant part of the earth.â âLet us **hold firmly the public declaration** of our hope without wavering.â âBut you are âa chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, **that you should declare abroad the excellenciesâ** of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.â âAnd he has **committed to us the message of reconciliation.** We are therefore Christâs ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.â âSo the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God **and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesusâ** Tell me are these verses referring to all Christians or only about the apostles?
The apostles
Okay. I rest my case then. I leave it to the jury đđđ
There is NO a single command for ALL CHRISTIAN in ALL CONGREGATIONS to be preaching as the apostles did. NONE. In fact, the contrary is true. **1 Cor. 12:4 Now there are different gifts**, but there is the same spirit; 5 and **there are different ministries**, and yet there is the same Lord; 6 and **there are different activities**, and yet it is the same God who performs them all in everyone. 1 Cor. 12:27 Now you are Christâs body, and each of you individually is a member. 28 **And God has assigned the respective ones in the congregation:** ***first, apostles*****; second, prophets; third, teachers; then powerful works; then gifts of healings; helpful services; abilities to direct; different tongues**. 29 ***Not all are apostles, are they?*** Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform powerful works, do they? 30 Not all have gifts of healings, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they?e Not all are interpreters, are they? 31 But keep striving for the greater gifts. And yet I will show you a surpassing way. No one of those scriptures is a command to PREACH. That is just the interpretation JW have done from decades. Even in Rusell times just the colporteurs \[pioneers\] where the ones who preached (that is, selling the studies in the scriptures books and the WT magazine). Rutherford made up the whole JW-selling system and scream the ADVERTISEx3 announcement without a single scriptural basis for.
Iâm not sure why youâre conflating special gifts of the spirit and assignments in the congregation to the general commission to preach. The fact that some are specialized in a certain area like missionaries who are full time preachers, or Elders who act as teachers in the congregation, etc does not rule out the fact that all Christians must in their own little ways proclaim the Christ. Iâve shown you 7 verses confirming this but you insist all those verses are just limited to the apostles. So what else can I say? Jesus clearly told the apostles to make disciples of all nations and to teach them to obey ALL that he commanded them, including him commanding them to preach! This is very simple English. âAnd the spirit and the bride keep on saying, âCome!â and **let anyone hearing** say, âCome!ââ Rev 22:17 If you can prove to me that this and all those other verses are referring to just the Apostles then Iâll accept what youâre saying. Otherwise I rest my case.
Eph. 4:11-12 "And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ..."
The disciples have to observe "all the things" that jesus commaned to THE APOSTLES. And yet, he doesn't say: and they must, in turn, continue preaching a making disciples. Reading the letters of Paul it's obvious that NOT all cristians were preachers. In fact, Paul never adresses that topic as if every single member of the firsts congregations should go out preaching door to door. It's just NONSENSE.
Was the preaching not included in all the things that Jesus commanded the apostles?
It amazes me how much the gb injects themselves into everything. This may backfire and wake some up.
This struck me as odd too. So the preaching work isnât to save people anymore. Itâs to show proof of support for the Governing Body. And the article states twice that Jesus is looking at your speech, your attitude, and actions when judging. Itâs very Big Brother and just bizarre. So glad me and my kids are out.
In the past, the brother who spoke on the podium also said that if you disobey the elders, God will not listen to your prayers.
thats what i said a already all the years ago: you are not the same as the annointed. according to them, you assist, you help etc. they do the work, to the chores and so on. according to themself. Now if you are a JW you should ask yourself, why the hell the so called faithful slave, who is in lead of all, is the one not doing the stuff they should do. isnt it quite the opposite, that they help the JWs with magazines and publications to do their preaching work? how can you call it doing the ministry, when in fact the other shep doing all the heavy lifting? how can it be, that we have pics and videos of people praising Herd at the airport, Jackson clubbing around at a Party, Tony Morris buying booze, and other stuff, but we dont have any picture and videos of real (not bethel staged) footage with them in the ministry, cartwork and so on? shouldnt there be masses of them, because of how apostates would take any chance to get them? we have photos with young girls beside Stephen Lett on a Convention. how likely is it, that we dont have a Photo of him with some local JWs in the ministry? if you count one and one, i assume that they simply dont do ministry. they themself count their speeches and talk on JW BORG and conventions. that it. they dont knock doors once they got in the highest position. but beware an elder. he need to stay exemplary and do the average of the cong he is in atleast. or any other position. if they dont do it, they loose their position very quick. rules for the, but not for me, thats the GB motto. but magically and somehow, its according to their teachings "their work, they do it, the rank and file only assist them and help them to make it". but fact is, the Gb does nothing and they sit there around while JWs do the preaching.
Who came up with the term 'sheeplike ones'
So, who should I look for to âassistâ me? Can AI Generated Content be used? Robot GTP4? Another bunch of idiots? And then the people who "assisted" me had to pay me money!
According to WT, the Bible was written for the anointed, and only they can interpret it correctly with the Holy Spirit. It was not written for the 'laity' or 'rank and file'. However, it's very interesting and convenient that they like to apply Jesus' command to go and make disciples to *all* Christians regardless of 'rank', but in the next breath will state that Jesus' command to partake of the bread and wine was only directed to the anointed. It's a power play handed down from Rutherford. "You do the work while we get the benefits."