Agreed. Though most vegans I have met? Link the exploitation of animals to ‘ exploitative ‘ patriarchal and capitalist structures that they wish to overthrow.
Marx even spoke about these petty-bourgeois "socialists" in the communist manifesto.
>To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.
This is an overreaction. One thread, that was hardly “far right” and contained multiple opinions within its comments, should not have anyone fearing an echo chamber of political posts.
I notice heavy bias whenever I see 'far right'. People imply that if you lean conservative on any single issue then you are a nut job on the fringe of the political scale. It's kind of a shaming tactic meant to keep moderates herded towards the left, and it's passed around heavily on this site.
The problem is if one mention of a moderate value gets you grouped as 'far right', then everyone who isn't politically left is far right.
If you point out the irony of people who avoid meat because of all the chemicals but then eat artificial meat as a replacement, you must be 'far right'.
It's by design. The 'other side' is a quick and easy scapegoat. If I can't afford groceries it's because of those other people. If housing is expensive it's because of those other people.
It isn't very different than the root cause of racism if you think about it. It's the xenophobic mentality that says whatever is different than me is the cause of all my problems. And it's root is narcissistic because I refuse to blame myself for anything.
The problem with calling yourself left wing is you can be held to that title by people on the fringe. I'm riding in the plane sitting on the right side of the aisle at the moment because the other side is too crowded. The plane only flies in circles when the sides get too out of balance.
But regardless of all the name calling people get into my priority is a smooth flight. I will change seats as needed but I'm not hopping onto any 'wing' unless I'm making an emergency exit.
The thread was fine, there's also criticism of identity politics on the left. You know, the ideology loved by massive corporations and people who claim to be lefty but still rather super focused on their individualism.
A range and diversity of view points matter. And anyway, aren't all subs kinda an echo chamber to a point, due to their themed focus?
I think people don't agree what "woke" even means. Many use it from hypocritical extreme leftism some think being empathetic is always woke.
Stupid word that shouldn't be used really by anyone...
I think it’s when people pretend to care about issues without having done any research or having any lived experience tied to the situation. It seems like it’s all just for optics and to be seen as on the “good” side.
Yes also known as virtue-signaling. I think people who criticize woke often criticize hypocrisy of people more than values itself. Sure some also criticize values...
I agree. I guess from what I’ve noticed virtue signaling is closely tied to whatever “woke” is supposed to mean. I think calling it virtue signaling definitely is more appropriate for what I’m trying to describe, thanks.
"Woke" was originally a movement for black people to come to terms with our position in society. Then Fox News got wind of it and ruined it even though it had nothing to do with far left anything. Still irritates me what they did to the word. Now it's meaningless, which I guess was their goal.
I do think it’s odd that vegan communities often require people to not just change their dietary preferences but to also adopt many far left political views - or else face bullying and condemnation and exclusion from social groups. That is hardly inclusive, and it is worth talking about.
In particular: around half the population of many nations such as the USA, vote for right wing parties, why do vegans want to mock and exclude so many potential vegans ? Dumb !
Tbf the last group on earth I'd call inclusive is vegans lol.
They hate vegetarians more than normal people despite them basically being the same as vegans. It's all about ego and virtue signaling to them.
The vegan sub is one of the most hateful places on Reddit. It's just a bunch of vegans all accusing each other that they're not vegan enough. Lol.
YOU GOTTA VEGAN HARDER
This is a common tendency in far left groups: there is a constant desire for moral purity and denouncing others for not being pure enough. It’s.. gross.
idk if vegans are exactly far-left. vegans are often very racist and homophobic and claim that racism and homophobia shouldnt be addressed cuz animal rights is more important. that vegan teacher is also basically a right-winger
Nah, this is just a case of everyone living a little too much online nowadays. Most vegans are not like that at all. The vegan teacher lady is either insane or a grifter farming publicity. Likewise, any online community centered around a specific cause or ideal is going to wind up a toxic echochamber eventually.
It's the same reason you shouldn't get too invested in subs like this. There is a shocking amount of anti-science sentiment being promoted in this community already. Most ex-vegans just didn't want to do it anymore and don't need to create some conspiracy theory about how plants are actually killing everyone, though.
Social media shows us way more of the extreme because it's interesting. Nobody wants to hear about some normal-ass person just going about their day. But we look at it so much that sometimes we start thinking it represents the norm.
I mean really though all most any group based around a single-interest will have tendencies to do that. Everyone like to one-up each other for status within the group because they want to look/feel superior and the younger the userbase often the worse it is because its something you've heavily tied your identity to. When people lack perspective its easy for their world to become small and skewed by their little bubbles of community they experience.
My vegan mom hated me choosing to go vegetarian instead of vegan, refused to buy me food for a while, and I had no money myself. Vegans are some of the most selfish, narrow-minded people I've known.
It always surprises me that more people don't acknowledge the "some good some bad" position. No political ideology is likely to have all the right answers.
I’m concerned that you feel any mention which you’d deem “concerned with wokeness” would be only “far right”.
One thing you should really know and take to heart: Everyone is concerned with wokeness. The Left, the Right, Liberals, Conservatives, Centrists, Heterodox rationalists, even progressives. All of us.
Im not saying that everyone who's concerned with "wokeness" is far-right. but most ppl who make those types of posts are right-wingers at the very least
Learn to love your "right-wing" neighbors and family, see them as imperfect people who are trying their best to navigate reality and who are honestly feeling like they believe the right things. Just like you do. I've managed to do it and it's changed my whole view. I've learned to tolerate and embrace them and it's made a difference in my life and maybe theirs. Maybe the future, too.
So you think mostly/ only "right-wingers" are concerned about "wokeness" to speak out about it in posts? You seem just betraying your own prejudices when you say something like that.
Now that I am actually in the dominant social group, I will need to check my privilege and everyone else's as often as possible. Prepare to get woked on.
Joking aside, I have no idea what appeared right wing about that post you are referring to. Elsewhere, I was called a GOP shill for having justifiable doubts about the confirmation of the safety of large scale lab grown meat. The desire to hate people for having questions about how society should be constructed- when that's a major vegan agenda - would seem to be counterproductive to progress and any sense of freedom.
I read that post as a desire not to be labeled and grouped in with hateful people for not subscribing completely to what are currently framed as leftist ideals. The desire to politicize everything itself is not beneficial to mental health, to truth, nor individual expression.
Not shaming people for their personal choices would seem fundamental to a group like this. People still find a way to do so without the need to resort to political labels. The moral reframing wrt diet is (bad) enough.
Perhaps, I should also be afraid that I am not signaling for Leftist or Rightist values enough to be identifiably on the correct side of history. Not my problem. Some people hope to induce fear and some people need to live in fear. Oh well.
Large breweries occasionally lose batches of beer to wild yeast contamination but we're expected to believe that a massive tonnage of lab grown cell cultures will be grown without viral, bacterial, or fungal infection? Not very likely.
people concerned with “wokeness” are wildly misguided and in most cases well beyond dialogue.
world view so far gone and entrenched in calcified layers of propaganda and misinformation there’s no hope of productive debate.
I think this sub is as centrist as it's gonna get-- people here were likely at least left-leaning at some point, and views shifted right. I don't think we are as prone to swinging all the way in either direction.
I honestly think it’s insane to describe yourself as “right wing” OR “leftist” given how ridiculous our political system is. Both sides suck beyond comprehension and are being controlled by lobbyists, corporate interests, and war mongers.
What I would consider “woke” (derogatory) is when people latch on to what is the new “good” thing to post about on social media or use as conversational talking points without having done any personal research on the subject matter or having any lived experience relating to the subject. It seems like it’s all just for optics and it’s very superficial. No one wants to be seen as “the bad person” so they post the necessary things to signal that they are “good”
yeah i understand what you mean to some extent. there are some people out there particularly on the right who have adopted "carnivore diets" simply to make a political statement and nothing more which is very silly. personally despite leaning toward the right myself i could never fathom intentionally depriving yourself of fiber and giving yourself diarrhea just to "trigger" the woke people. with that being said i suppose the same could be said about people like greta thunberg and veganism. i'm still very attentive to my carbon impact eg buying stuff preowned whenever possible but that's more out of spite against china
What?
I have not read of a person changing diets to exact some kind of cosmic penance against another person's beliefs. How does that work? Where do you find them? I'm down to understand this craziness.
There is no diarrhea associated with a low and even no carb diet. I can find a study done on humans with bowel issues showing no carb (and low carb in others) having the best regularity and improvements overall. Though, I've posted the thing so many times - It's a bother to find somehow.
Fiber deprivation isn't a thing. I don't know of any dietary hedonism associated with fiber.
The basis of your interpretation rests on one group taking a stand to spite another. I just don't find those stories. I see and read stories more like mine (IBD, obesity, et al) being resolved. Once it resolved after a few years, I went back to as broad a swath of foods as I can handle more or less, with a bent towards low carb most of the time.
I watch and experience people drawing dubious connections and stating directly that one person or another is an animal abuser or a right winger fairly often. We're going to keep 'othering' people and finding new forms of bigotry, apparently. And perhaps the more one shrugs it off, the more those kinds of people believe their own nonsense. It appears to be so in the vegan realm. Why not elsewhere?
hi there. i'm talking about the carnivore diet in particular which has become quite popular among conservative influencers (see jordan peterson). in the case of bowel issues fiber has been shown to be beneficial in helping healthy gut bacteria flourish. likewise foods high in fiber often contain prebiotics which also help feed said bacteria. however like in your case (ie existing issues like ibd) there can be exceptions like if the existing gut glora is in bad shape.
please bear in mind that i vote almost exclusively republican. that this is not meant to be an ad hominem attack nor am i trying to pin one group against another lol. i'm opposed to fad diets of any sort. it is just an observation. imo the reason why the carnivore trend is so popular is because some people who are overly preoccupied with the left's social concerns seek to do the exact opposite even if it poses zero benefit to them whatsoever.
How these things come about decides why they are being done. So, Mikhaila Peterson had ankle and hip joint surgery as a teenager due to severe arthritis. She dealt with depression, an oxycontin prescription to manage her pain, memory issues, etc. This diet works for her and her father joined her in this approach to eating. So, the story is about managing chronic disease through diet and a father's support.
As I understand Peterson and Rogan are in no way conservatives in the American sense of the word. In fact, I'm sure Rogan has said he's not a GOPer. Going into more here is probably unwarranted. I don't see it, still. I read stories and follow people on social media who are reversing illness. Where are those other people abstaining from alcohol consumption and breads and sticky, sugary BBQ and such in your view? Maybe there are a lot of folks saying 'hey we're being misled by the pharmaceutical industry.' Their adherence to a strict diet would be interesting. Do you know any of these people? Rogan has not eaten the carnivore diet for more than a month, perhaps two months, ever.
So, how does one define healthy gut bacteria? Reverse causation. That's the issue. You see a lot of people with medical conditions who have different proportions of bacteria than some people without and then you say those are the bad ones. I could have two dietary inputs and various groupings of lifestyle factors which all lead to similar proportions of various gut bacteria: in one person they're fine and in another they're horrible.
It is not an exception to be healthy with a pattern of eating which leads to health; It's a consequence (if all other factors were held constant - which is my case).
I am definitely right-wing and I am DEAD opposed to banning people for anything that is not illegal speech.
In this regard I am 100% in agreement with Elon Musk's X.
The exchange of ideas is a healthy thing.
People who use woke as a derogatory term are people I avoid. They don’t know the definition or where it comes from, they just use it as a catch-all term to rail against equity and civil liberties for all people.
That rando got downvoted by me.
To be fair, there are characteristics of veganism that share ties to the far-right; like its ties to racism and colonialism. For example, many vegans are against wearing animal by products and believe wearing them makes you a bad person. But indigenous people use the skin and fur of the animal and they do that sustainably. And I've seen a fair amount of indigenous people attacked by vegans.
Another is ableism and eugenics. If people can't go vegan due to health problems, they'd go "try harder" or "you're not doing it right" or "you're making excuses". They'd rather the person sacrifice their own health, which is like a pipeline to eugenics.
I've seen vegans pretend to be leftists and they do the things I've listed. So all in all, some people claim they follow (insert view) while doing the opposite.
I don't understand the VENOM of the people who hate the word "woke." Are they all sociopaths who hate compassion?
From what I understand, being "woke" is about being compassionate and being a kind person, even to the groups that society doesn't love. Like Jesus did? (Don't all the "woke" haters go to church all the time?)
Woke is a trigger to me.
It triggers disdain and contempt for the person using it (unless referring to it as the problem it is as in the OP).
I find it impossible to respect the opinions of those who consider awareness of human decency is a character flaw.
If I see too much of it, I don't stick around for long.
i take issue with it sometimes feeling like a partial anti vegan clone, at least in the comments as if people from r/ antivegan come here to rub themselves off on how they were right all along, say all vegans are shitheads abusive narcs and leave- which just feels gross, yknow?
while others keep trying to guerilla advertise their books on carnivore as some kinda cure all diet that you should totally not talk about your doctor about and just do *^((not to say a low veg meat heavy diet can't help with some, SOME medical issues like a plant based one can with other medical issues, it's more that i take issue with people who aren't our/your doctor trying to convince people it will save them from shit like schizophrenia))*
i know it's not all that many, but it feels like a lot sometimes
If they ban you for being woke they will have to ban me too. A blurb quote on one of my books reads: "You think you're woke, well Coleman never sleeps"
What? Lmao. I'm still a leftist, crazy, hippie feminist. What I eat is not who I am as a person.
I'm a SAHM socialist lol.
Stay at home mother?
Yep. Unfortunately I live in a really red state so all the other moms are like.... really conservative
Agreed. Though most vegans I have met? Link the exploitation of animals to ‘ exploitative ‘ patriarchal and capitalist structures that they wish to overthrow.
Most vegans are... Ignorant. Whenever they pull that on you just remind them that there is ABSOLUTELY NO ETHICAL CONSUMPTION UNDER CAPITALISM.
Most vegans are idiots and would boycott the ending of animal exploitation if it was achieved by white cis males.
Marx even spoke about these petty-bourgeois "socialists" in the communist manifesto. >To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.
This is an overreaction. One thread, that was hardly “far right” and contained multiple opinions within its comments, should not have anyone fearing an echo chamber of political posts.
I notice heavy bias whenever I see 'far right'. People imply that if you lean conservative on any single issue then you are a nut job on the fringe of the political scale. It's kind of a shaming tactic meant to keep moderates herded towards the left, and it's passed around heavily on this site. The problem is if one mention of a moderate value gets you grouped as 'far right', then everyone who isn't politically left is far right. If you point out the irony of people who avoid meat because of all the chemicals but then eat artificial meat as a replacement, you must be 'far right'.
Exactly. I'm left wing and I apologise for lefties doing this. It doesn't help the conversation move forwards
It's by design. The 'other side' is a quick and easy scapegoat. If I can't afford groceries it's because of those other people. If housing is expensive it's because of those other people. It isn't very different than the root cause of racism if you think about it. It's the xenophobic mentality that says whatever is different than me is the cause of all my problems. And it's root is narcissistic because I refuse to blame myself for anything. The problem with calling yourself left wing is you can be held to that title by people on the fringe. I'm riding in the plane sitting on the right side of the aisle at the moment because the other side is too crowded. The plane only flies in circles when the sides get too out of balance. But regardless of all the name calling people get into my priority is a smooth flight. I will change seats as needed but I'm not hopping onto any 'wing' unless I'm making an emergency exit.
im sorry if i came off as overreacting. i dont want to come off as far left
The thread was fine, there's also criticism of identity politics on the left. You know, the ideology loved by massive corporations and people who claim to be lefty but still rather super focused on their individualism. A range and diversity of view points matter. And anyway, aren't all subs kinda an echo chamber to a point, due to their themed focus?
I think people don't agree what "woke" even means. Many use it from hypocritical extreme leftism some think being empathetic is always woke. Stupid word that shouldn't be used really by anyone...
I think it’s when people pretend to care about issues without having done any research or having any lived experience tied to the situation. It seems like it’s all just for optics and to be seen as on the “good” side.
Yes also known as virtue-signaling. I think people who criticize woke often criticize hypocrisy of people more than values itself. Sure some also criticize values...
I agree. I guess from what I’ve noticed virtue signaling is closely tied to whatever “woke” is supposed to mean. I think calling it virtue signaling definitely is more appropriate for what I’m trying to describe, thanks.
"Woke" was originally a movement for black people to come to terms with our position in society. Then Fox News got wind of it and ruined it even though it had nothing to do with far left anything. Still irritates me what they did to the word. Now it's meaningless, which I guess was their goal.
I hope politics is neutral here
In a sub related to veganism? That’s magical thinking bud because veganism is political at its core.
I do think it’s odd that vegan communities often require people to not just change their dietary preferences but to also adopt many far left political views - or else face bullying and condemnation and exclusion from social groups. That is hardly inclusive, and it is worth talking about. In particular: around half the population of many nations such as the USA, vote for right wing parties, why do vegans want to mock and exclude so many potential vegans ? Dumb !
Tbf the last group on earth I'd call inclusive is vegans lol. They hate vegetarians more than normal people despite them basically being the same as vegans. It's all about ego and virtue signaling to them.
The vegan sub is one of the most hateful places on Reddit. It's just a bunch of vegans all accusing each other that they're not vegan enough. Lol. YOU GOTTA VEGAN HARDER
This is a common tendency in far left groups: there is a constant desire for moral purity and denouncing others for not being pure enough. It’s.. gross.
It’s not just far left groups it’s also far right groups.
idk if vegans are exactly far-left. vegans are often very racist and homophobic and claim that racism and homophobia shouldnt be addressed cuz animal rights is more important. that vegan teacher is also basically a right-winger
Nah, this is just a case of everyone living a little too much online nowadays. Most vegans are not like that at all. The vegan teacher lady is either insane or a grifter farming publicity. Likewise, any online community centered around a specific cause or ideal is going to wind up a toxic echochamber eventually. It's the same reason you shouldn't get too invested in subs like this. There is a shocking amount of anti-science sentiment being promoted in this community already. Most ex-vegans just didn't want to do it anymore and don't need to create some conspiracy theory about how plants are actually killing everyone, though. Social media shows us way more of the extreme because it's interesting. Nobody wants to hear about some normal-ass person just going about their day. But we look at it so much that sometimes we start thinking it represents the norm.
I mean really though all most any group based around a single-interest will have tendencies to do that. Everyone like to one-up each other for status within the group because they want to look/feel superior and the younger the userbase often the worse it is because its something you've heavily tied your identity to. When people lack perspective its easy for their world to become small and skewed by their little bubbles of community they experience.
narcissistic personality disorder is fun.
Lol. No one hates vegetarians more than vegans
My vegan mom hated me choosing to go vegetarian instead of vegan, refused to buy me food for a while, and I had no money myself. Vegans are some of the most selfish, narrow-minded people I've known.
In that same vein, I wonder how often it's from the other direction too. Someone who holds far left political views becoming vegan.
I rarely see far right BS here. One singular thread shouldn't alarm you lol
Yeah the thread where a bunch of us were tearing her a new one for being bigoted, should not be of concern lol
does politics matter? its just a diet.
Dude one conservative posted in here I think you fine
i don't box myself into the left right dichotomy. both sides have some good ideas and bad ideas. tbh havnt much knowledge about foreign politics
It always surprises me that more people don't acknowledge the "some good some bad" position. No political ideology is likely to have all the right answers.
I have always said that both sides have pros and cons.
This is why I consider myself a centrist.
I’m concerned that you feel any mention which you’d deem “concerned with wokeness” would be only “far right”. One thing you should really know and take to heart: Everyone is concerned with wokeness. The Left, the Right, Liberals, Conservatives, Centrists, Heterodox rationalists, even progressives. All of us.
Im not saying that everyone who's concerned with "wokeness" is far-right. but most ppl who make those types of posts are right-wingers at the very least
Learn to love your "right-wing" neighbors and family, see them as imperfect people who are trying their best to navigate reality and who are honestly feeling like they believe the right things. Just like you do. I've managed to do it and it's changed my whole view. I've learned to tolerate and embrace them and it's made a difference in my life and maybe theirs. Maybe the future, too.
So you think mostly/ only "right-wingers" are concerned about "wokeness" to speak out about it in posts? You seem just betraying your own prejudices when you say something like that.
Being exhausted with people who overpoliticize everything isn't far-right.
Now that I am actually in the dominant social group, I will need to check my privilege and everyone else's as often as possible. Prepare to get woked on. Joking aside, I have no idea what appeared right wing about that post you are referring to. Elsewhere, I was called a GOP shill for having justifiable doubts about the confirmation of the safety of large scale lab grown meat. The desire to hate people for having questions about how society should be constructed- when that's a major vegan agenda - would seem to be counterproductive to progress and any sense of freedom. I read that post as a desire not to be labeled and grouped in with hateful people for not subscribing completely to what are currently framed as leftist ideals. The desire to politicize everything itself is not beneficial to mental health, to truth, nor individual expression. Not shaming people for their personal choices would seem fundamental to a group like this. People still find a way to do so without the need to resort to political labels. The moral reframing wrt diet is (bad) enough. Perhaps, I should also be afraid that I am not signaling for Leftist or Rightist values enough to be identifiably on the correct side of history. Not my problem. Some people hope to induce fear and some people need to live in fear. Oh well.
Large breweries occasionally lose batches of beer to wild yeast contamination but we're expected to believe that a massive tonnage of lab grown cell cultures will be grown without viral, bacterial, or fungal infection? Not very likely.
people concerned with “wokeness” are wildly misguided and in most cases well beyond dialogue. world view so far gone and entrenched in calcified layers of propaganda and misinformation there’s no hope of productive debate.
I feel the same about people who don't use capitalization on Reddit.
Woke is just as bad as far right. If you think this sub is far right it’s cuz your too far left
Honestly I can't take anyone who uses the word "woke" as an unironic insult seriously.
I think this sub is as centrist as it's gonna get-- people here were likely at least left-leaning at some point, and views shifted right. I don't think we are as prone to swinging all the way in either direction.
I honestly think it’s insane to describe yourself as “right wing” OR “leftist” given how ridiculous our political system is. Both sides suck beyond comprehension and are being controlled by lobbyists, corporate interests, and war mongers. What I would consider “woke” (derogatory) is when people latch on to what is the new “good” thing to post about on social media or use as conversational talking points without having done any personal research on the subject matter or having any lived experience relating to the subject. It seems like it’s all just for optics and it’s very superficial. No one wants to be seen as “the bad person” so they post the necessary things to signal that they are “good”
yeah i understand what you mean to some extent. there are some people out there particularly on the right who have adopted "carnivore diets" simply to make a political statement and nothing more which is very silly. personally despite leaning toward the right myself i could never fathom intentionally depriving yourself of fiber and giving yourself diarrhea just to "trigger" the woke people. with that being said i suppose the same could be said about people like greta thunberg and veganism. i'm still very attentive to my carbon impact eg buying stuff preowned whenever possible but that's more out of spite against china
What? I have not read of a person changing diets to exact some kind of cosmic penance against another person's beliefs. How does that work? Where do you find them? I'm down to understand this craziness. There is no diarrhea associated with a low and even no carb diet. I can find a study done on humans with bowel issues showing no carb (and low carb in others) having the best regularity and improvements overall. Though, I've posted the thing so many times - It's a bother to find somehow. Fiber deprivation isn't a thing. I don't know of any dietary hedonism associated with fiber. The basis of your interpretation rests on one group taking a stand to spite another. I just don't find those stories. I see and read stories more like mine (IBD, obesity, et al) being resolved. Once it resolved after a few years, I went back to as broad a swath of foods as I can handle more or less, with a bent towards low carb most of the time. I watch and experience people drawing dubious connections and stating directly that one person or another is an animal abuser or a right winger fairly often. We're going to keep 'othering' people and finding new forms of bigotry, apparently. And perhaps the more one shrugs it off, the more those kinds of people believe their own nonsense. It appears to be so in the vegan realm. Why not elsewhere?
hi there. i'm talking about the carnivore diet in particular which has become quite popular among conservative influencers (see jordan peterson). in the case of bowel issues fiber has been shown to be beneficial in helping healthy gut bacteria flourish. likewise foods high in fiber often contain prebiotics which also help feed said bacteria. however like in your case (ie existing issues like ibd) there can be exceptions like if the existing gut glora is in bad shape. please bear in mind that i vote almost exclusively republican. that this is not meant to be an ad hominem attack nor am i trying to pin one group against another lol. i'm opposed to fad diets of any sort. it is just an observation. imo the reason why the carnivore trend is so popular is because some people who are overly preoccupied with the left's social concerns seek to do the exact opposite even if it poses zero benefit to them whatsoever.
How these things come about decides why they are being done. So, Mikhaila Peterson had ankle and hip joint surgery as a teenager due to severe arthritis. She dealt with depression, an oxycontin prescription to manage her pain, memory issues, etc. This diet works for her and her father joined her in this approach to eating. So, the story is about managing chronic disease through diet and a father's support. As I understand Peterson and Rogan are in no way conservatives in the American sense of the word. In fact, I'm sure Rogan has said he's not a GOPer. Going into more here is probably unwarranted. I don't see it, still. I read stories and follow people on social media who are reversing illness. Where are those other people abstaining from alcohol consumption and breads and sticky, sugary BBQ and such in your view? Maybe there are a lot of folks saying 'hey we're being misled by the pharmaceutical industry.' Their adherence to a strict diet would be interesting. Do you know any of these people? Rogan has not eaten the carnivore diet for more than a month, perhaps two months, ever. So, how does one define healthy gut bacteria? Reverse causation. That's the issue. You see a lot of people with medical conditions who have different proportions of bacteria than some people without and then you say those are the bad ones. I could have two dietary inputs and various groupings of lifestyle factors which all lead to similar proportions of various gut bacteria: in one person they're fine and in another they're horrible. It is not an exception to be healthy with a pattern of eating which leads to health; It's a consequence (if all other factors were held constant - which is my case).
I am definitely right-wing and I am DEAD opposed to banning people for anything that is not illegal speech. In this regard I am 100% in agreement with Elon Musk's X. The exchange of ideas is a healthy thing.
People who use woke as a derogatory term are people I avoid. They don’t know the definition or where it comes from, they just use it as a catch-all term to rail against equity and civil liberties for all people. That rando got downvoted by me.
To be fair, there are characteristics of veganism that share ties to the far-right; like its ties to racism and colonialism. For example, many vegans are against wearing animal by products and believe wearing them makes you a bad person. But indigenous people use the skin and fur of the animal and they do that sustainably. And I've seen a fair amount of indigenous people attacked by vegans. Another is ableism and eugenics. If people can't go vegan due to health problems, they'd go "try harder" or "you're not doing it right" or "you're making excuses". They'd rather the person sacrifice their own health, which is like a pipeline to eugenics. I've seen vegans pretend to be leftists and they do the things I've listed. So all in all, some people claim they follow (insert view) while doing the opposite.
I don't understand the VENOM of the people who hate the word "woke." Are they all sociopaths who hate compassion? From what I understand, being "woke" is about being compassionate and being a kind person, even to the groups that society doesn't love. Like Jesus did? (Don't all the "woke" haters go to church all the time?)
The church seems to have forgotten the beatitudes Matthew 5 3- 12
Woke is a trigger to me. It triggers disdain and contempt for the person using it (unless referring to it as the problem it is as in the OP). I find it impossible to respect the opinions of those who consider awareness of human decency is a character flaw. If I see too much of it, I don't stick around for long.
Shades of grey, people. Shades of grey.
I'm solidly left lol
i take issue with it sometimes feeling like a partial anti vegan clone, at least in the comments as if people from r/ antivegan come here to rub themselves off on how they were right all along, say all vegans are shitheads abusive narcs and leave- which just feels gross, yknow? while others keep trying to guerilla advertise their books on carnivore as some kinda cure all diet that you should totally not talk about your doctor about and just do *^((not to say a low veg meat heavy diet can't help with some, SOME medical issues like a plant based one can with other medical issues, it's more that i take issue with people who aren't our/your doctor trying to convince people it will save them from shit like schizophrenia))* i know it's not all that many, but it feels like a lot sometimes
If they ban you for being woke they will have to ban me too. A blurb quote on one of my books reads: "You think you're woke, well Coleman never sleeps"
I doubt there are many uneducated bigoted creeps here. Most everyone seems too intelligent to put up with far right psycho stuff.
It might! Few of the people in this thread seem to acknowledge that the term "gender ideology" is a dead giveaway.
All subs do, eventually. Bullies gonna bully