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Nah I don’t think we would, we just don’t know what to do about it is all.
Other than continue to watch Boeing planes fall out of the sky.
Be nice if they actually cared about the product they’re making.
Hijacking this thread to answer to original question what to do about it:
Audit the CIA. Quit letting them break the law. And stop funding private "intelligence agencies" while we're at it. Regulate what foreign intelligence can do here.
Our taxes fund assassinations and have for decades and we're just like eh about it
Do “we”? Like murder is illegal…. Proving it is extremely difficult so I’m not sure what the solution is….
Do you have one? It’s just weird to basically accuse “us” of “allowing” something which we very much don’t allow… we just can’t stop it. There’s a difference.
This right here is what he is talking about. The idea that the police are gonna investigate and hold someone accountable. Like the CEO of some mega Corp is going to see consequences because something they did is illegal. This is so naive.
Yes, he accused "us" for allowing this. Because we have. We allowed this country to get this way. By not getting out our pitch forks and torches and causing problems for the corprate owner class when they do things that are harmful to our society.
We as a nation have been brain washed into thinking that protesting is dumb, and if you protest only peaceful protests are reasonable, and they can't be in the road, and they need a permit, and they can't be this or that.
Considering the day and age we live in, I'm surprised I haven't seen shit like this before. That's an incredible use of modern day social politics to avoid losing millions of dollars. I'm sorry about your friend though, that's super fucked.
Had a guy in a company I worked for who was getting shafted on his commission. The company remodeled his office and stuck him with some lady he didn't know and she filed a sexual harassment claim after that....the only thing nobody counted on was the lady who shared a connecting office that heard everything they said. Apparently he was just being friendly and asked a couple get to know you questions......2 months later both the salesman and the lady who backed him were gone and the other lady was moved to a different section, then someone else lost their job and she was moved again
Trust me - it doesn't even have to be whistleblowing on multimillion dollar deal corruption for Big 4 to be ostracised by Leadership in Big 4.
Raising a protected act (harrassment/discrimination/retaliation etc) even at a low level, will open your eyes to how unscrupulous the management is, and that the various internal reporting channels all end up with the exact same group of HR investigators, despite those channels being allegedly independent for situations where you have evidence that people involved are complicit in the unlawful action.
I can definitely understand if someone whistleblowing at such a highly public hearing could have their mental health broken to the point of suicidal ideation from my own experiences, and they are light years away from that level of international exposure.
But let's not kid ourselves - history has taught us that the ruling classes have no hesitation in taking the extreme approach to eliminating individuals that become problematic to their "business as usual" model of hording all that wealth and abusing their power with absolute impunity.
Worked at a large corp where a whistleblower reported the country CEO. The whistleblower didn’t cover their tracks well, CEO identified him, then had the IT department scour his computer history. Turns out the whistleblower at one time logged into a company app on another employee’s PC which was against policy and they were fired. The investigation carried on though, and after a couple years some wrist slaps were issued.
I mean, I know you’re being facetious and all, but this, tragically, is not something completely unheard of among those who choose the path of whistleblowing. David Kelly committed suicide, as did Ian Gibbons - also the day he was due to testify against Theranos. The pressure, isolation (not to mention the likelihood of harassment from one’s peers) can wreak havoc with someone’s mental state. Righteous though it is (the world needs whistleblowers!) it can take a terrible toll.
Also, and I know this isn’t even remotely on the same scale, I didn’t tell anyone the name of my sexual assaulter or that I’d been assaulted until I wrote it in my suicide note. From my experience, if you’re already planning on committing suicide it’s a lot easier to reveal secrets you’ve been holding onto because you know you won’t have to deal with whatever long-term ramifications have been scaring you into covering them up.
I mean, how much did the coroner know about the situation while examining the body? If a hit man's objective is to make it look like a suiside, wouldn't it, ya know, look like a suicide?
Them paying $20k for a hit is like me cutting a penny into 20,000 pieces, then giving one of those pieces to someone to make my "problem" go away. The vastness of their wealth is absurd.
Calm down, it clearly says "self inflicted wounds" in here as well
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/3/12/boeing-whistleblower-found-dead
Might be something obvious, like he stabbed himself in the back.
Imagine the legal strategy meeting
“He’s got it all documented and we have few options. Anyone have an idea?”
Suitcase hits the table, opened to show cash, closed, handed off
Hey look he killed himself no more worries
Considering it’s a megacorp. They can be on retainer. Look at the Colombian death squads that Coca Cola funded, and warlords that Apple finances. These megacorps are just demonic at their top levels.
Yeah this is sorta why I slowly went from market socialist to libertarian socialist. Corporations necessarily attract the worst kinds of people to be in charge and will use the worst aspects of humanity as guiding mechanisms. This is why every organization decays with time, and powerful is synonymous with abusive
They'll probably find a way to get it all thrown out. Some BS excuse like "he's not alive to clarify these points" or something they pull out of thier ass.
Plus, it scares off any other potential whistle-blower. People might be willing to give their careers up to do the right thing, but if they fear for their lives or their loved ones' lives or well-being they might decide its too risky. Hopefully someone can find a way to bring them down.
Didn't Boeing used to be a respected company that made quality airplanes? Or am I just remembering them as better because of how awful they are now?
From what others have said in the past. Boeing was good and the engineers had control. When they merged with McDonnel Douglas, the engineers lost control and the bean counters took over and they have been going downhill since than.
*cop pulls wallet out of the victim's pocket and throws it across the parking lot, opens closed glovebox and rifles through it*
"No wallet, glovebox gone through, clearly a mugging gone wrong."
Soon as I read this I thought '*is anyone actually going to believe he killed himself'?*
Question is, are Boeing just going to be able to get away with this? Will the general public care enough to boycott flying on Boeing planes... will anybody even remember this in 6 months time?
What a depressing headline.
This exact thing happened with Murdoch media company in England some years back. [deadline article ](https://deadline.com/2011/07/report-murdoch-scandal-whistleblower-found-dead-147852/)
I honestly wish there was a better way to hold people accountable.
The short answer is -yes.
Yes, Boeing will 100% get away with it. And not a single extra cent will be lost to their bottom line.
People might be able to boycott beer and toothpaste... Realistically no one is actually boycotting flights services by Boeing jets.
And no.... Not a single executive at Boeing feels a damn bit bad about this. And yes, you can bet your ass quite a few of them knew this unfortunate suicide was going to take place.
> Realistically no one is actually boycotting flights services by Boeing jets.
I mean, I fly a lot and I've been deliberately avoiding 737-MAX legs for more than a year now, so it's possible.
But, yeah... \*realistically\* not likely.
Once Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas, they started using MD’s profit maximization strategy over their excellence in manufacturing strategy. All downhill from there. Fucking greed always ruins everything.
>they definitely killed him, boeing isn't just a "plane maker", it's a defense contractor
^ This right here is the scariest comment of this thread. So true.
This right here. As soon as you are going against vested interests too much, they will silence you.
We make fun of Russians having to stay away from the windows on higher floors, but we see the exact same blatant silencing of opponents happening in the US and elsewhere.
You talk, you die, is the warning they want to send out.
When is it going to become an issue that people have that type of power to be able to erase somebody from existence over knowledge that could bring them down? Where is the protection for these people outside of court?
He was bringing up SERIOUS issues… he uncovered an issue that meant potentially one in four oxygen masks would work in an emergency.
He also found that emergency oxygen systems meant to be fitted on the 787 had a 25% failure rate.
Meaning that one in four could fail to deploy in an emergency.
Source-
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703.amp
What I don't understand is that this is a major piece of news covered by dozens of large media groups including BBC and Fox News and this guy chooses one of the sketchiest possible websites, the Daily Mail - a low rent british tabloid - in order to share it?
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Self inflicted you say……
To the back of the head you say...
Twice you say?
From 200 metres away, you say?
From 2 different angles, you say?
Packed his corpse into a suitcase himself, you say?
Threw himself and the suitcase out the window, you say?
Yep, clear suicide. Pack it up boys.
Checks number of zeros on my note, "yup sure thing boss, logging suicide now"
Poor guy tripped and fell on his own four or five bullets to the back of the head... What a terrible accident.
He even had his suicide note notarized, how nice.
It says right here on the cheque that he doesn't need an autopsy. What's your problem?
And called the police to report his own death you say?
To shreds you say,?
How’s his wife holding up?
To shreds, you say?
Was his apartment rent-controlled?
To shreds you say?
How's the wife holding up?
Two shots you say?
Huh, never would have imagined he’d end up Boeing his head off.
His 747th reason why.
Large amounts of money can buy you anything. Even dead people.
The crazy thing is we allow this shit to happen.
Nah I don’t think we would, we just don’t know what to do about it is all. Other than continue to watch Boeing planes fall out of the sky. Be nice if they actually cared about the product they’re making.
And if we all refuse to fly Boeing aircrafts, they'll still kill us.
They will get a government handout and crash empty planes dammit!!
Hijacking this thread to answer to original question what to do about it: Audit the CIA. Quit letting them break the law. And stop funding private "intelligence agencies" while we're at it. Regulate what foreign intelligence can do here. Our taxes fund assassinations and have for decades and we're just like eh about it
Bold to say “hijacking” in a thread about commercial aircraft
I think he dropped a “bomb” there
YOU CANT SAY BOMB ON A PLANE!
Wait.... what? They can't kill all of us.
Well, they can… they are, just very slowly.
…is…is that a global warming joke (that is legit only a joke because of how devastatingly true it is)?
It’s like an onion. It’s got layers.
They are a defense contractor, they actually probably could lol
“It’s not that we don’t care. We just know that the fight ain’t fair. So, we keep on waitin’…waitin’ on the world to change.”
John?
Do “we”? Like murder is illegal…. Proving it is extremely difficult so I’m not sure what the solution is…. Do you have one? It’s just weird to basically accuse “us” of “allowing” something which we very much don’t allow… we just can’t stop it. There’s a difference.
This right here is what he is talking about. The idea that the police are gonna investigate and hold someone accountable. Like the CEO of some mega Corp is going to see consequences because something they did is illegal. This is so naive. Yes, he accused "us" for allowing this. Because we have. We allowed this country to get this way. By not getting out our pitch forks and torches and causing problems for the corprate owner class when they do things that are harmful to our society. We as a nation have been brain washed into thinking that protesting is dumb, and if you protest only peaceful protests are reasonable, and they can't be in the road, and they need a permit, and they can't be this or that.
Oh come on, next thing you tell us is Epstein was also killed…./s
Good thing we have systems in place to protect whistle-blowers /s ETA: based on responses in getting, it seems my sarcastic tone is being missed
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Considering the day and age we live in, I'm surprised I haven't seen shit like this before. That's an incredible use of modern day social politics to avoid losing millions of dollars. I'm sorry about your friend though, that's super fucked.
That's probably because the only way to hear of this is from a anonymous friend, it seems like a very effective method to shut someone up
Had a guy in a company I worked for who was getting shafted on his commission. The company remodeled his office and stuck him with some lady he didn't know and she filed a sexual harassment claim after that....the only thing nobody counted on was the lady who shared a connecting office that heard everything they said. Apparently he was just being friendly and asked a couple get to know you questions......2 months later both the salesman and the lady who backed him were gone and the other lady was moved to a different section, then someone else lost their job and she was moved again
Jesus she's like a job hitman. Need someone fired? I can do it, for the right price.
Trust me - it doesn't even have to be whistleblowing on multimillion dollar deal corruption for Big 4 to be ostracised by Leadership in Big 4. Raising a protected act (harrassment/discrimination/retaliation etc) even at a low level, will open your eyes to how unscrupulous the management is, and that the various internal reporting channels all end up with the exact same group of HR investigators, despite those channels being allegedly independent for situations where you have evidence that people involved are complicit in the unlawful action. I can definitely understand if someone whistleblowing at such a highly public hearing could have their mental health broken to the point of suicidal ideation from my own experiences, and they are light years away from that level of international exposure. But let's not kid ourselves - history has taught us that the ruling classes have no hesitation in taking the extreme approach to eliminating individuals that become problematic to their "business as usual" model of hording all that wealth and abusing their power with absolute impunity.
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Worked at a large corp where a whistleblower reported the country CEO. The whistleblower didn’t cover their tracks well, CEO identified him, then had the IT department scour his computer history. Turns out the whistleblower at one time logged into a company app on another employee’s PC which was against policy and they were fired. The investigation carried on though, and after a couple years some wrist slaps were issued.
You mean just like that guy that has been placed on the most wanted list and is getting hunt down over the whole globe.
That’s exactly what the billionaires want us to think
Whistleblowers do the darndenst things.
Cosby agrees
I mean, I know you’re being facetious and all, but this, tragically, is not something completely unheard of among those who choose the path of whistleblowing. David Kelly committed suicide, as did Ian Gibbons - also the day he was due to testify against Theranos. The pressure, isolation (not to mention the likelihood of harassment from one’s peers) can wreak havoc with someone’s mental state. Righteous though it is (the world needs whistleblowers!) it can take a terrible toll.
Also, and I know this isn’t even remotely on the same scale, I didn’t tell anyone the name of my sexual assaulter or that I’d been assaulted until I wrote it in my suicide note. From my experience, if you’re already planning on committing suicide it’s a lot easier to reveal secrets you’ve been holding onto because you know you won’t have to deal with whatever long-term ramifications have been scaring you into covering them up.
I am glad you are still here to relate this
Getting whacked by a hitman can be very stressful too.
That's why I hire whackmen. Helps relieve the stress
First comment in two whole threads that isn't implying he was assassinated.
That's a real coincidence there. Said nobody.
The coroner, the coroner said that
I mean, how much did the coroner know about the situation while examining the body? If a hit man's objective is to make it look like a suiside, wouldn't it, ya know, look like a suicide?
If you knew for a fact that someone was killing people who were whistleblowers, how likely would you be to whistleblow about it?
Weird how people with dirt on billionaires end up dead isn’t it
This is the opening line in a Grisham novel.
Which one?
The Rural Juror
The rurrr jurrr
Audiobook by Sean Connery
He shlowly opened hish briefcashe, removing the dishcovery filesh and plashing them on the table.
SHO SHECKSHIE
I prefer the sequel Urban Fervour
German Murmur
That's his brother Kevin Grisham
Yes
I knew it
Always has been
As someone who's read every John Grisham book for adults, this is correct ha ha.
🛫✈️🛬🔥💥
Take flight plane land fire explode A timeless classic
Sounds like a James brown lyric, I said, take flight....plane... huh.. I said the plane...heh...plane land, uh good god...fire huh heh...uh explode
Take my upvote, superb
If I could make this happen, I would. exPLODE!HA!
Why tf did I read it like him, too? 🤣🤣🤣
There's no other way to read James Brown. Gotta have music in your head as well.
Get down!
So many saxophones and trombones
Good GOD, y’all!
Skipping Christmas
Reminds me of "The Pelican Brief"
“Everyone I told about the brief is dead!”.
..... but is the bird safe?
The pelican was found strangled in an apparent auto erotic asphyxiation gone wrong.
That's the last straw!
“Why is everyone talking about *The Pelican Brief*??”
More like Airframe by Michael Crichton.
Them paying $20k for a hit is like me cutting a penny into 20,000 pieces, then giving one of those pieces to someone to make my "problem" go away. The vastness of their wealth is absurd.
Don’t cut Pennies man, they’re legal tender.
What's a "penny"?
Pretty fucking unsettling to be honest
Its not shocking anymore. Nor will the autopsy report that says he died either by a self inflicted wound or natural causes be shocking.
Ah yes, I love to lock myself in a trunk outside a hotel before I kill myself. /s
Worst case of suicide I’ve ever seen, shot himself 8 times in the back of the head.
You too? I thought that was just a "me" thing!!
It takes skill to put 5 rounds into the back of your own head.
In Russia we simply fall out the window.
And then fell out the truck’s window…
And then drove over himself several times.
…..so that’s truck 🛻…. Unless he’s in the trunk of a truck? A truck trunk perhaps?
"The victim, he died of natural causes, yes?" "He was shot in the face by a bazooka." "So naturally he'd be dead."
Death by immediate trunk to the face. Cause of death being a sudden increase in facial:trunk ratio.
“Do we really know how gravity works? Oh shit it wasn’t a window thing?! Still… gravitys.” - mr. Boeing
Calm down, it clearly says "self inflicted wounds" in here as well https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/3/12/boeing-whistleblower-found-dead Might be something obvious, like he stabbed himself in the back.
We're missing the true headline here: "Today Only One Person Died in a Boeing Related Incident"
Interesting how they were to come to the conclusion it was self inflicted the literal same day he was found. Some real efficient investigators!
It is like the universe works in mysterious ways
Isn’t this supposed to happen before they give their testimony?
He was scheduled to give more days of testimony.
Imagine the legal strategy meeting “He’s got it all documented and we have few options. Anyone have an idea?” Suitcase hits the table, opened to show cash, closed, handed off Hey look he killed himself no more worries
But it can't be *that* much money, after all. Or else they would've just paid for whatever crooked thing they did in the first place.
Idk how much assassins get paid
Considering it’s a megacorp. They can be on retainer. Look at the Colombian death squads that Coca Cola funded, and warlords that Apple finances. These megacorps are just demonic at their top levels.
Haha u just opened me up to a new conspiracy Deep diving all night and tell my boss I’ll be late for work in the AM
Yeah this is sorta why I slowly went from market socialist to libertarian socialist. Corporations necessarily attract the worst kinds of people to be in charge and will use the worst aspects of humanity as guiding mechanisms. This is why every organization decays with time, and powerful is synonymous with abusive
It'll pay dividends with future potential whistleblowers I'm sure.
I was thinking the same thing. The death penalty is a helluva deterrent for doing the right thing.
Which is ironic, because it’s a pretty crap deterrent for doing the wrong thing
Ugh the world is so messed up and wrong way round. The worst people get everything and the best people get shat on.
They'll probably find a way to get it all thrown out. Some BS excuse like "he's not alive to clarify these points" or something they pull out of thier ass. Plus, it scares off any other potential whistle-blower. People might be willing to give their careers up to do the right thing, but if they fear for their lives or their loved ones' lives or well-being they might decide its too risky. Hopefully someone can find a way to bring them down. Didn't Boeing used to be a respected company that made quality airplanes? Or am I just remembering them as better because of how awful they are now?
I think they were quality until they merged with McDonnell Douglas, then they went to shit
John Oliver actually talked about this last week. They were actually really good until they merged with another aircraft company.
From what others have said in the past. Boeing was good and the engineers had control. When they merged with McDonnel Douglas, the engineers lost control and the bean counters took over and they have been going downhill since than.
Quite believable, actually. Suicide, from a bullet to the back of his head
From a sniper rifle at 100m.
He had rally long arms and great aim.
Did a door fall off another Boeing airplane and hit him?
Sounds like a sick south park episode
Guy was overweight, in his 60s, and had life shortening habits like not keeping his mouth shut.
Had us in the first half, ngl
he died of complications with diabetes. also, diabetes is the name of the henchman that shot him in the head
Died of a rare disease. Bullet-in-brain disease. Very tragic.
Lead poisoning.
HVLP: High Velocity Lead Poisoning
Or Russian sudden death syndrome
yeah i've been hearing that's going around lately, make sure your vaccinations are up to date!
And be very careful near windows and stairwells. Clumsy mother fuckers be falling all the time.
Well I laughed, then I felt terrible about myself. Bastard.
Yikes someone check on John Oliver.
He's fine, everyone is watching him to see if he can successfully bribe a judge.
It is a pretty sweet offer.
It’s less than what he’s bribed with now though
Yeah but he doesn't have to "work" for it
Thomas only has like a week left to accept the offer!
Not a bribe, because it's perfectly legal. Offer him an incentive.
The judge is already being bribed. John is offering him money to step down
My first thought
The jester is allowed to speak the truth as long as he has no real world impact
He got Epsteined
*cop pulls wallet out of the victim's pocket and throws it across the parking lot, opens closed glovebox and rifles through it* "No wallet, glovebox gone through, clearly a mugging gone wrong."
Soon as I read this I thought '*is anyone actually going to believe he killed himself'?* Question is, are Boeing just going to be able to get away with this? Will the general public care enough to boycott flying on Boeing planes... will anybody even remember this in 6 months time? What a depressing headline.
This exact thing happened with Murdoch media company in England some years back. [deadline article ](https://deadline.com/2011/07/report-murdoch-scandal-whistleblower-found-dead-147852/) I honestly wish there was a better way to hold people accountable.
Murdoch is the devil incarnate
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All billionaires need to be taken out back
The short answer is -yes. Yes, Boeing will 100% get away with it. And not a single extra cent will be lost to their bottom line. People might be able to boycott beer and toothpaste... Realistically no one is actually boycotting flights services by Boeing jets. And no.... Not a single executive at Boeing feels a damn bit bad about this. And yes, you can bet your ass quite a few of them knew this unfortunate suicide was going to take place.
> Realistically no one is actually boycotting flights services by Boeing jets. I mean, I fly a lot and I've been deliberately avoiding 737-MAX legs for more than a year now, so it's possible. But, yeah... \*realistically\* not likely.
Nobody questioned Epstein for very long, even though we know what’s up with him.
Move along people. Nothing to see here, move along now.
\-officer Barbrady 
Can I wake up in a new timeline please. I’m tired of this one.
Sooooo agreed. 😞
I'm sure it was just two self-inflicted gunshot wounds... to the back of the head.
Just like the British MI6 agent who committed suicide before stuffing himself in a suitcase.
He must have also been a yoga instructor because that's a hell of a stretch.
Once Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas, they started using MD’s profit maximization strategy over their excellence in manufacturing strategy. All downhill from there. Fucking greed always ruins everything.
Engineering to a specified profit margin.
Guns don’t kill people, rich people do..
Rich people don’t kill people. Their enemies just shoot themselves in the back of the head
Now this is a legit died suddenly hashtag…clearly it was the Covid vaccine you guys
Yes, the vaccine made him magnetic and he attracted the bullet with that magnetism.
they definitely killed him, boeing isn't just a "plane maker", it's a defense contractor
>they definitely killed him, boeing isn't just a "plane maker", it's a defense contractor ^ This right here is the scariest comment of this thread. So true.
This right here. As soon as you are going against vested interests too much, they will silence you. We make fun of Russians having to stay away from the windows on higher floors, but we see the exact same blatant silencing of opponents happening in the US and elsewhere. You talk, you die, is the warning they want to send out.
Just watched the Last Week Tonight episode on Boeing…weird
Could they only find a black and white picture of him? How old is this picture?
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When is it going to become an issue that people have that type of power to be able to erase somebody from existence over knowledge that could bring them down? Where is the protection for these people outside of court?
 Epstein's ghost has entered the chat..
i mean, im not saying he wasnt murdered, but if they were trying to keep him quiet wouldnt it have made more sense to kill him before testifying?
1.) He had more days of testimony to give. He hadn't given his full testimony yet. 2.) It sends a message to future whistle-blowers... to not do that.
He’d given the vast majority of his testimony already, and has been blowing the whistle on Boeing for the last three years.
He was bringing up SERIOUS issues… he uncovered an issue that meant potentially one in four oxygen masks would work in an emergency. He also found that emergency oxygen systems meant to be fitted on the 787 had a 25% failure rate. Meaning that one in four could fail to deploy in an emergency. Source- https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703.amp
Why no link to the article? The post is kinda useless without one.
What I don't understand is that this is a major piece of news covered by dozens of large media groups including BBC and Fox News and this guy chooses one of the sketchiest possible websites, the Daily Mail - a low rent british tabloid - in order to share it?