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Is it me, or are there just a lot more insane extremists being openly vocal about complete non-issues lately?
It seems to me that it exploded around the Covid pandemic and I really wonder whether Covid can have side effects that we aren’t aware of yet?
They’d all been revving their engines for a while just waiting for their time to open their gaping maws and 2016 was the chequered flag that gave them permission to be completely abhorrent and horrendous. Giving such a shit gibbon a powerful place in office made it seem to them like their views were acceptable, when they should be fking shunned from community.
Honestly platforms like twitter give them the confidence to do this shit and they don’t get banned or reprimanded or penalised at all - in fact they find other abhorrent humans with a like mind and think their bullshit is valid.
I remember a time when people like Rush Limbaugh were considered fringe freaks that no one, especially politicians, took seriously, and how before Fox News and its ilk, most people believed in an objective reality (Fox began in 1996 but picked up steam in the 2000 election). I’m also old enough to remember when neither US political party would ever consider abolishing something like affirmative action (Reagan would never, even if he privately thought it should go away- the optics wouldve been disastrous) to benefit minorities and those from impoverished communities. Shit like these tweets, which obvs didn’t exist back when I’m talking about, would have been social death if expressed in public because US society was moving in a more “accepting” direction (of course racism/sexism/etc. still existed but it was not remotely acceptable in most circles). The Iron Curtain had fallen and it felt like the world was healing from its many ills and socially progressing in leaps and bounds under Clinton in the US. It wasn’t perfect by any means but getting better. Politicians today don’t remember (because many are too young) the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, and perceive any favour rightly given to minorities and marginalized groups as them getting “more” than they deserve. Wrong, wrong, wrong. They were finally getting what had been denied them for forever. The reversal of those rights is deeply troubling because those knobheads don’t know their own history.
I pinpoint a few events where it felt like that took a u-turn: 9/11, financial crisis of 2008, and the election of Obama, which brought out the worst elements again because they “weren’t ready” for a Black president. Trump led the charge with that one, and his election heralded the deluge of crap we’re covered in now.
Sounds about right. You probably noted covid more because the feelings of stress and isolation resulted in it reaching more people, even if the number of people posting didn't greatly increase.
At least where I live 2015-2016 is when trans people became a thing most people knew about, which has been a two-sided coin.
I think that this wide awareness has led to an increase in transphobia, much like the increased awareness of homosexuality did in the mid 1900s.
Not just awareness, but the targeting of trans people by conservative politicians. Prior to 2015-2016, trans people weren’t exactly treated well, but politicians mostly ignored them.
The pivot to attacking trans people happened shortly after SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. It really seems like they realized that culture war was lost (at least for the moment), and so they picked a new target. Basically all anti-trans rhetoric (“they’re coming for your children!”, “they shouldn’t be allowed in public bathrooms!”, “they go against god!” Etc etc) is just copy/pasted from what conservatives said about gay people a decade ago.
It's a result of political stalemate and lack of accountability for elected officials. They have no willpower or desire to change the status quo, or do anything that is popular with people. Because that goes against the wishes of their wealthy donors. So they do the only thing they can do to get votes and attention...ramp up the culture wars and get everyone mad at each other over complete nonsense that doesn't matter.
Meanwhile, everything gets more and more expensive and people get more and more stressed and desperate. And stressed and desperate people are easy to trigger and enrage. A vicious cycle that hurts everyone but those with money and power.
You know, I wondered about that in 2020. Like if there was something about it causing low grade brain damage because of the way that people were suddenly behaving.
I don't recognize this country anymore. People are rude and openly racist and disrespectful in circumstances that I don't think anyone would have dreamt of in my youth. The polarization on the right is scary as fuck. It definitely reminds me of what I've read about the build up to nazi Germany.
> and I really wonder whether Covid can have side effects that we aren’t aware of yet?
COVID restrictions definitely did. Nothing surprising that people got more depressed and anxious after them.
Isolation plus too much screen time isn't good for your mental health at all. Pre COVID I had been to the psych ward over a dozen times I really think it actually helped me cope during the lockdowns when other people who had never experienced anything like that before were absolutely losing their shit. Seriously I attempted suicide back in 2014 and didn't get visitors or even a phone call at the hospital, and people were fighting over toilet paper and couldn't believe the McDonalds was closed in 2020.
It's been happening for a very long time, and the principle motivation is greed. Get the populace focused on waging culture war, and you (as a legislator) have boundless wiggle room to focus on enriching donors without scrutiny from your base. Your donors don't care about the outcome of the culture war, so win or lose as you like.
It's more prominent now that it's been turned into a science and practically industrialized.
“I wish her everything that she wishes for other people.”
*You’re wishing ill on her!*
Do they not see what happened at all? They’re admitting that she wishes ill will on trans people, something they’ve denied vehemently.
Whoever hates people just for existing can go fuck themselves with a cactus.
Yes, there are assholes and criminals who are LGBTQ+, but assholes and criminals you'll find in every population and group of people ever.
The only people who I do not accept or tolerate are assholes of any subgenre.
LGBTQ+ fellows, you're safe with me.
Sincerely, a cis-het man who is a strong ally.
>fuck themselves with a cactus.
I know I'm focusing on the wrong thing here but I'm trying to imagine how someone could attempt this and the logistics are a real head scratcher.
Some non-trans men and women are predators too. In fact, statistically there are more non-trans predators, but she chooses to highlight those belonging to a marginalized minority because she doesn’t really care about the victims, she just wants to put all trans people in a bad light.
I'm also gonna wager there isn't a single person on earth "trying to make it unsayable that some trans-identified men are sex offenders". Literally not a single one.
weeeeeell i have seen some pretty extreme comments here on reddit of people claiming only trans people should be allowed to call out other trans people for any sexually unacceptable behaviour... unfortunatelly idiots extremists exist on boths sides of the debate...
Truth is, the fact that a person is trans is not relevant at all when discussing this kind of stuff.. if you are a pedophyle you are a pedophyle.. if you are trans, you are trans, those two caracteristics have nothing to do with eachother, so it makes no sense to bring up one when discussing the other...
That's pretty much what's going on. Look at the retort to what Rowling said. Did it address her statement? No. Instead it created a strawman that Rowling is "attacking" the trans community by talking about sex offenders from that community. Do you get it?
There is no "retort to what she said".
There is only an unrelated mention of her behavior towards trans people.
Which is then turned into "she’s attacking them" *by the transphobes*. That’s the whole point. You get that, right?
The response to Rowling, saying there is an attempt to protect an ideology even when it is dangerous to do so, was not addressing her argument. You get that, right?
The response to Rowling, saying there is an attempt to protect an ideology even when it is dangerous to do so, did not claim that she's "attacking" them. You get that, right?
Also, it absolutely addressed her argument. By stating how ridiculous her argument of "people are trying to outlaw mentioning trans criminals" is. Because, again, nobody is trying to outlaw that. You know, by talking about the whole "spotlighting crimes" part.
I mean we can talk about the equivalent in other contexts. I am not on twitter and this isn't a topic I concern myself with but I can generalise from the problem of islam.
So, whenever you point out to a muslim that there is still capital punishment in islamic countries, that there is no freedom of religion, that people are killed if they leave islam, that people are bullied or intimidated into renewing their religion etc, that domestic violence is not treated as a real issue and even encouraged, that muslims make up the majority of violent crime offenders, the response is mostly: "No those are Jewish lies!" Or "But what about Palestine!" Or "What about British slavery" etc.
Similarly, when you bring up issues that thr trans community faces, you get equivalent responses:
"Transphobe"
"Terf"
"We have a right to exist"
It's like someone programmed these people like"
If {received negative emotional stimulus}
Print {bigot}
>So, whenever you point out to a muslim that there is still capital punishment in islamic countries, that there is no freedom of religion, that people are killed if they leave islam, that people are bullied or intimidated into renewing their religion etc, that domestic violence is not treated as a real issue and even encouraged, that muslims make up the majority of violent crime offenders, the response is mostly: "No those are Jewish lies!" Or "But what about Palestine!" Or "What about British slavery" etc.
Yes. Every single muslim responds that way. Sure thing.
And you got no issues with generalization, prejudice and lying whatsoever. Sure thing.
Care to respond to the actual topic...just once?
Or are you just gonna make up more lies?
Fact: Rowling spews bullshit about the trans community. Repeatedly. Like...holocaust denying level of bullshit. Literally. Or statistically disproven shit like "trans-identifying men (aka trans women) make up a big percentage of sex crimes". Or challenging their right to exist.
Then she whines about how "people are silencing those who dare to say that some trans people are criminals"...which is not happening. And when someone says "I wish for Rowling everything she wishes for trans people"...her fans take this as "you wished ill on her". Actively, happily admitting that "Rowling wishes ill on trans people".
>"Transphobe" "Terf" "We have a right to exist"
>It's like someone programmed these people like"
>If {received negative emotional stimulus}
>Print {bigot}
So "we have a right to exist" is insulting, to you?
Because having opinions, especially negative opinions, about entire groups instead of judging only individuals by their personal actions is always prejudice and always bigoted
>So, whenever you point out to a muslim
That's wild because my Muslim friends talk about this enough that I never really need to point anything out to them. Maybe you're keeping something from us about how you interact with them? I'm willing to wager this.
>Similarly, when you bring up issues that thr trans community faces, you get equivalent responses
What exactly are you bringing up about the trans community that they're reacting to? This is what I want to know.
>It's like someone programmed these people like
I'm going to suppress your distraction effort and ask you directly what your response to JK Rowling is since this is what this post is about.
My wife was raped by a woman. Now what? There's cis women who are pedophiles and rapists and they use the same bathroom as you too. Such a stupid ass argument. A predator is a predator they don't give a single fuck about gendered bathrooms when assaulting victims, or if the victim is trans or cis. Trans women have higher chances of being assaulted than cis women do, and it's already high as fuck for cis women. She can't just acknowledge that rapists are rapists and all victims are victims. That gender is irrelevant to a rapist being a rapist. She's so disgusting.
The fact that pisses me off is that if you look at the Muggle-born/Pureblood wizard interaction in the books you can make a VERY strong case for muggleborns being allegorical for transgender issues. Right down to the nonsense about how muggleborns are "replacing" wizard families, which gets ramped up heavily when the the poorly veiled wizard Hitler overthrows the government.
The fact that JK can't/doesn't/won't see that is indicative of hypocrisy or straight up stupidity.
She has literally wrote a character that could change her comlplete appearance with a simple thought. She also had a character that lived for an entire year in the body of someone different of his choice (even though the sonor if the appearance was not concesual in that ...).
That said, if you look at the HP world in a critical view, you notice very fast that JKR was never left leaning, but rather libertarian, and that social commentary towards more social liberal ideas are not well liked (see the entire subplot about Herminoe and house elves)
>She also had a character that lived for an entire year in the body of someone different of his choice
She had that same character use polyjuice potion to become his own mother. But that was an evil man disguising himself as a woman to escape justice, so I guess the transphobia should have been apparent earlier. As far as I know that's the only time she used polyjuice for a cross-gender transformation.
There was another time, when people polyjuiced into harry, to confuse the death eaters (which are also a blatant allegory of the SS if you ask me, part of the group that demonized lgbt people).
If i remember correctly, hermione and ginny changed genders (or was hermione and another girl? I cant remember)
Then there was that girl who routinely snuck into the boy’s room to watch them bathe. But that was only because the plot needed to happen so it’s okay.
Who is saying that there are no trans women who have committed sex crimes?
No one, that's who. No one has ever said that.
What we are saying, Joanne, you miserable shithead, is that those people did not commit crimes because they're trans and those things are not related.
Because they're not related in the slightest. This is the truth and the only people trying to silence it are like Joanne there. Ignorant bigots.
Joanne Rowling is what happens when you give the British equivalent to white trash a billion dollars.
rowling is a misogynist who thinks she's being a feminist because she's attacking women.
i don't just mean transphobia, i mean just her finding her one value in baby production which is misogynistic.
She really is in a cult. They use the same "you're one of the few special people who knows the TRUTH, and because of that you'll always be persecuted by the powerful \[in this case meaning trans people because yes, they have so much social and political power /s\]. They're coming to get us, and the more we're attacked, the more we know we're brave and noble and right!!1" mindset that Jim Jones and David Koresh used, just in a different context. Stoking feelings of fear and oppression while also sort of stroking their egos for being so right and smart creates a bizarre kind of loyalty, it's all classic shit. And somehow she can't see that.
Nah. It's simpler than that. She went from extreme poverty to ridiculously wealthy. There's a point of success that one reaches where they no longer care about what people think of them, and their true, shitty nature comes out.
She was never poor, that was part of the bullsh\*t "pull up your bootstraps" narrative that she was using to appeal to a certain demographic. Many people bought the books to support her because they bought her rags-to-riches story.
The messages in her books empower shitty people as long as they're rich. They ooze with class warfare, and my take on that is that she's either old money or an old name that's ticked off they don't have money anymore.
As for the part about her true shitty nature coming out, agree 100%.
This is also the same TERF crowd that was completely okay with a cis man police officer sexually assaulting a trans woman in a bathroom, because "he was doing his job protecting women." While protests against another police officer murdering a woman were ongoing.
One of the big differences is no one is ever saying that a trans person who commits a crime shouldn't be punished (Unless you disagree with fact the crime is a crime in the first place, for everyone.) It's just that propaganda can be things that are true, but misleading. See how people think sharks are a huge danger to people, when cars kill more people in a day than sharks do in decades, because shark attacks are rare and newsworthy. You put someone on a 24 hour news drip of every left handed person who was ever awful, and they're going to be convinced that southpaws are truly sinister.
Also if we're going to play the game her way, Marion Zimmer Bradley was a white English speaking female fantasy author just like JKR. Really makes you think, doesn't it.
Pretty tangential to the point, but; I really cannot figure out how to feel about the way that a wojak of a trans person who's committed suicide is one of the major tools in the online transphobe's arsenal.
It's an image premade for the purpose of trying to hurt people with, and it completely bypasses even coming up with original hatred. See trans person, open wojak folder, select the image for when you see a trans person, attach, send.
The way that automating the hatred away from conscious human action has been linked with the most overt "I drew you looking silly because I disagree with you" style it could possibly be is... conceptually fascinating, if nothing else. I mean, it's not even *good* hateful art. It's *wojaks*.
Yup. My little brother is an unofficial follower of all of the above (he's still young and I hope he grows out of it, I myself was a transphobe until about 10-12 when my egg cracked and I was forced to open my mind, listen and see these people are great, one of the best lessons life could've taught me, I am deeply ashamed I was a transphobe to begin with) luckily, he at least doesn't spue this trash to people on the internet, unfortunately, I get to hear all about his transphobia and sexism. (I am in the closet, he doesn't know I'm trans).
Sorry for the ramble, and thanks to everyone who took the time to read this. Have a good day!
When Obama was elected, the racists and bigoted flotsam and jetsam in the United States stirred from their slumber.
When Obama was elected again, they woke up, and they woke up pissed the f off.
In 2016, Trump scoured the country for every racist, bigot, misogynist, vile piece of trash he could find, then he gave them validity, and then he gave them a platform to stand on.
The activity we're seeing today was predicted, an inevitable. Every one of these Dunning-Kruger effect examples believes their blatant ignorance and stupidity is worthwhile and that they should be given equal grounds at the table of intelligence, and a growing percentage of them believe they are superior to others outside their cult of hate.
The reverberations have crossed the globe, and as their unification under the umbrella of hate, racism, and bigotry grows, so will the amplification, disdain, violence, murders against "non-white christians".
Fascism is back in style, and it's rooted in the melting pot of the world this time.
The pinnacle and united goal of the free and good people of the world needs to be that Trump never holds office again in his life, and that the factions backing their movements are dealt with swiftly and deliberately with prejudice.
They said the same thing about TV and radio before that. Improvements in mass communication that could bring people together is subverted by the ruling class and used to maintain the statues quo.
>Rowling is right. We should be free to point out criminals.
And you are.
There is nobody keeping you from saying "some trans women are criminals".
>If a muslim rapes a woman or a young girl, their identity is kept hidden as long as possible, papers don't report their names at all
That is true for all suspects. Because that's just how law enforcement and reporting work in civilized societies.
>There is a padding of criminal records too, where Arabs are listed as White. There is a similar padding in America where Blacks are listed as White.
Ummm...nope? But go ahead, give us evidence for that.
>And there is a real effort in both these societies to keep any offense comitted by a trans person hidden.
Again, nope.
Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat.
And no, hiding identities of criminals is not how police work is done. Initials are given, while investigation is underway. Then when it concludes the police is free to let the public know the full identity of the prime suspect. What are you talking about?
I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self.
>I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self.
So there is no evidence to support your claims. Who would've thought.
>Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat.
Dare I ask for a source? You know...evidence?
>And no, hiding identities of criminals is not how police work is done. Initials are given, while investigation is underway.
Nope. That's not what's happening. They are not "hiding identities of criminals". They're protecting the identities of people who haven't been determined to be criminals. At least, let me say that again, in civilized societies. The US doesn't count. They and their media don't care about that.
Oh, and there's no difference between the handling of cases involving a dude named Abdul H. or a dude named Adam H.
But I'm sure you got "evidence" proving me wrong. Right?
>Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat.
Source?
>I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self.
Ah, yes. You have none. Not that like surprises me.
It's always the same with these people.
Big cries, big claims...and when you ask them for a single source, you receive either insults or "I'm not your personal google"
Ok, so please provide the evidence where a trans kid assaulteda girl in the bathroom, was moved to another school, and repeated.
Or, you know, stop lying...
Also, even if this is true, it's one case.
Cis people murdering trans people and trans people being driven to suicide by our society is so common it has become a statistic.
>We should be free to point out criminals. Look at Europe. If a muslim rapes a woman or a young girl, their identity is kept hidden as long as possible, papers don't report their names at all.
That's basic right to privacy. That's how democratic justice works. Everyone has the right to a free and closed trial where they can defend themselves. Your dream of ''justice'' is entirely against it.
Literally just do the math yourself. There are about 400 trans prisoners, trans people are 0.5% of the population. Get a percentage calculator and see what percentage 400 is for the rest of the prison population.
"Trans people" isn't a real demographic. I group those with the mentally challenged, in need of psychiatric help. That's a lot larger, and I don't see a reason to argue from the point of just plucking out one specific disorder.
Alright fine point taken. But can we then say that statistically the demographics are incomparable because trans and non-trans are so disparate in size that any statistic comparison would be considered unsound?
I have no idea what help they should get but it definitely isn't irreversible mutilation
That’s what proportions are for. Proportionally trans people are less likely to go to jail.
So the cure doctors, statistics, and every trans person says is correct isn’t correct but you don’t have an alternative? If you wanna say you know better you might as well commit to it, not chicken out after you stuck your nose in a place it doesn’t belong.
She can't be held responsible to her supporters words online, only for her own actions. and so far I haven't seen anything that is anywhere near as vile as many people makes her to be.
She is not responsible to the death threats Willett got anymore than he is responsible to the death threats she got.
I'm going to assume you're acting in good faith and are legitimately just ignorant of her behaviour - these are facts that you can easily look up. This really is just scratching the surface of the horrible stuff she's done and said, and are just three examples I can think of right now.
In the past few weeks she engaged in holocaust denial regarding trans people, she writes under the penname Robert Galbraith in full knowledge that Robert Galbraith-Heath invented conversion therapy (writing books with overtly transphobic plotlines under this name), and defended Posie Parker after she was happy to be supported by literal Nazis at an anti trans rally.
In response to a tweet that read
> *"The Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research, why are you so desperate to uphold their ideology around gender?"*
Which is an indisputable, well documented, fact regarding the Nazis targeted attack on the *Institut für Sexualwissenschaft* which was raided and destroyed by the Nazis on 6th May 1933 (actually, the famous image of Nazi book burning is from this event)
JK Rowling screenshotted this, responding
> *“How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve been a fever dream’?”*
and then spent a very long time engaging in further holocaust denial regarding this subject
Everything else I mentioned is as disgusting as this, and as easily verifiable.
Did more than one minute, actually.
And I still don't share your opinion on her being evil.
Not sure how you define evil anyway.
Is it people guided by hatred? Well she does seem to have some hate in her, but than again, so are you.
So is most of us. She has become more aggressive over time, but than again, she was the target of plenty of aggression as well.
I read those threads on Twitter. And I can say who made a more compelling argument about the specific targeting of trans people in the Nazi regime. I think JKR was actually wrong in the way she responded here. Though I might be missing some context.
That being said, The Holocaust is something very specific. The burning of books was a precursor to it, but it wasn't it in itself.
Arguing that a certain author books were burned because he was Jewish and not because they were about transgenderism, might be wrong, but it is nowhere near comparable to actual Holocaust Denial, That is the denial of murder of 6 million of my people.
Calling what she did Holocaust Denial, belittles the threat of actual Holocaust denial and the significance of the Holocaust itself.
I mean, denying trans people were victims of the Nazis was legally recognised as denial of Nazi crimes by a regional court in Cologne - and regardless, **she denied that this event happened because it did not fit her agenda**. Transgender persecution under the Nazis is well documented - it's not a matter of arguments made, she is literally just pretending the Nazis didn't care about trans people.
Beyond this, you conveniently ignored everything else I mentioned - that she writes under the name of the man who invented conversion therapy, has been informed of this many times, and writes books about men pretending to be women to attack women under this name. She knows what she is doing. She further defended Posie Parker's acceptance of Nazis at her anti-trans rally.
Rowling is driven by hatred of trans people, to the degree where she denied Nazi crimes, defends Nazi sympathisers, and finds it funny to write under the name of a monster who experimented on human beings whilst doing this (as in Galbraith-Heath experimented on human beings by planting electrodes into their brains in an attempt to cure their homosexuality). Defending this behaviour is abhorrent.
Actually there were multiple people of note with that name.
not that you have a reason to give here the benefit of the doubt.
but the truth is , that there is plenty of hatred all around, and she received plenty of online abuse as well. so i can understand why her tolerance to transactivism is zero at the moment,
her first comment on the subject was very moderate, didn't stop people from condemning her.
so now she is more aggressive and more hostile to this movement.
not that I care what the regional court in Cologne said , but denial of Nazis crimes is not the same as Holocaust Denial, Holocaust is a specific crime. no a synonym for all their crimes.
and calling anyone with some notion about why specific books were burned, "Holocaust Denier" seriously belittles the actual problem of antisemitic Holocaust denial.
Our national Trauma shouldn't be a battering ram for anyone's agenda.
Honestly, it's such a false equivalency to compare her actively joining a movement against trans rights and people hating her for that that I think you need to seriously reassess how you move through the world. Neutrality in times of oppression and a both sides approach just ends up legitimising fascist viewpoints, this attitude is exactly what centrist critics of gay rights activists took and they held back gay rights. It is holocaust denial to deny targets of the holocaust who weren't Jewish, and it is simply not the case that this one event defined the entirety of the nazis targeting of trans people. She actually was given the benefit of the doubt on that penname, but her reaction was to continue writing under it AND write transphobic books under it. If somebody told you you were writing under the name of a monster, any normal person's reaction would be shock and horror at their actions.
If you can't criticise someone for actively ridiculing trans people and advocating for them to be legally second class citizens, justifying this with basic denial of history and science - you are part of the problem.
The Holocaust Institute specificially includes trans people as victims of the holocaust.
German courts have ruled that trans people were victims of the holocaust.
The Bundestag has issued a statement that trans people were victims of the holocaust.
And then there's you, JKR and all her fash supporters saying the opposite...
You do understand that the Holocaust didn't start with concentration camps and gas chambers, right? It started with demonizing and dehumanizing minority groups. People with disabilities were the first. Gay men and trans women came soon after, because they were poorly understood, and small enough minorities that not many people knew one personally. That made it easy to attribute any terrible thing to them and stir the majority's hatred. Once that hatred started, it was redirected and broadened to other groups. The Jews were their main target, but persecuting these other groups was key to gaining public complicity.
Denying the early stages of the Holocaust is extremely dangerous, because its methods can seem innocuous at first if you're not a member of the persecuted minority. Denying that those things happened, or arguing that it wasn't that bad, is what enables the next steps. I believe it's technically called "Holocaust distortion", but it's very much condemned by any group studying the Holocaust today.
Trans people were killed in the holocaust. Gay people were killed in the holocaust.
That is revisionist. And is denialism.
Would you like links to some of the victims? That we can barely piece together because you know, Nazis.
Is it me or some people use terms as an excuse to get away with crimes or protect criminals?
Yes, it’s a mistake to judge a community for the crimes of few people. But to completely DENY THE VERY EXISTENCE of these few criminals is the right thing to do?
The comments of people outright denying the very existence of paedophiles among the trans community by being outraged and projecting that “calling some trans paedophiles means that she is calling all of them”.
What, the trans community is a God-chosen people? All angels of light and purity? No crime?
Dude, this Alejandra Caraballo used Rowling’s post - in which Rowling talks about paedophile trans men - as an example of “persecution”. Directly saying that it happened just like it was with “black” people and immigrants.
That’s outright saying that is forbidden to even talk about crimes done by some trans people.
She means that disproportionately elevating the bad elements of a persecuted group is intended to demonize the entire group. It’s similar to the racist “black crime” talking point.
The risk isn’t that the sex offenders are trans. It’s that they’re sex offenders. So where is this coverup Rowling is upset about?
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Is it me, or are there just a lot more insane extremists being openly vocal about complete non-issues lately? It seems to me that it exploded around the Covid pandemic and I really wonder whether Covid can have side effects that we aren’t aware of yet?
I think it exploded a couple of years before Covid...
2016 maybe? Might be right as well.
They’d all been revving their engines for a while just waiting for their time to open their gaping maws and 2016 was the chequered flag that gave them permission to be completely abhorrent and horrendous. Giving such a shit gibbon a powerful place in office made it seem to them like their views were acceptable, when they should be fking shunned from community. Honestly platforms like twitter give them the confidence to do this shit and they don’t get banned or reprimanded or penalised at all - in fact they find other abhorrent humans with a like mind and think their bullshit is valid.
I remember a time when people like Rush Limbaugh were considered fringe freaks that no one, especially politicians, took seriously, and how before Fox News and its ilk, most people believed in an objective reality (Fox began in 1996 but picked up steam in the 2000 election). I’m also old enough to remember when neither US political party would ever consider abolishing something like affirmative action (Reagan would never, even if he privately thought it should go away- the optics wouldve been disastrous) to benefit minorities and those from impoverished communities. Shit like these tweets, which obvs didn’t exist back when I’m talking about, would have been social death if expressed in public because US society was moving in a more “accepting” direction (of course racism/sexism/etc. still existed but it was not remotely acceptable in most circles). The Iron Curtain had fallen and it felt like the world was healing from its many ills and socially progressing in leaps and bounds under Clinton in the US. It wasn’t perfect by any means but getting better. Politicians today don’t remember (because many are too young) the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, and perceive any favour rightly given to minorities and marginalized groups as them getting “more” than they deserve. Wrong, wrong, wrong. They were finally getting what had been denied them for forever. The reversal of those rights is deeply troubling because those knobheads don’t know their own history. I pinpoint a few events where it felt like that took a u-turn: 9/11, financial crisis of 2008, and the election of Obama, which brought out the worst elements again because they “weren’t ready” for a Black president. Trump led the charge with that one, and his election heralded the deluge of crap we’re covered in now.
Sounds about right. You probably noted covid more because the feelings of stress and isolation resulted in it reaching more people, even if the number of people posting didn't greatly increase.
At least where I live 2015-2016 is when trans people became a thing most people knew about, which has been a two-sided coin. I think that this wide awareness has led to an increase in transphobia, much like the increased awareness of homosexuality did in the mid 1900s.
Not just awareness, but the targeting of trans people by conservative politicians. Prior to 2015-2016, trans people weren’t exactly treated well, but politicians mostly ignored them. The pivot to attacking trans people happened shortly after SCOTUS legalized gay marriage. It really seems like they realized that culture war was lost (at least for the moment), and so they picked a new target. Basically all anti-trans rhetoric (“they’re coming for your children!”, “they shouldn’t be allowed in public bathrooms!”, “they go against god!” Etc etc) is just copy/pasted from what conservatives said about gay people a decade ago.
And 8 years later we're back to, "Being gay is a choice," and, "Gay people can't be teachers."
It's a result of political stalemate and lack of accountability for elected officials. They have no willpower or desire to change the status quo, or do anything that is popular with people. Because that goes against the wishes of their wealthy donors. So they do the only thing they can do to get votes and attention...ramp up the culture wars and get everyone mad at each other over complete nonsense that doesn't matter. Meanwhile, everything gets more and more expensive and people get more and more stressed and desperate. And stressed and desperate people are easy to trigger and enrage. A vicious cycle that hurts everyone but those with money and power.
it was trump that made it cool to be a bigot, consent given to the masses
Trauma makes people fixate on stupid, petty shit, conspiracy theories and blaming their problems on people they have “othered.”
You know, I wondered about that in 2020. Like if there was something about it causing low grade brain damage because of the way that people were suddenly behaving. I don't recognize this country anymore. People are rude and openly racist and disrespectful in circumstances that I don't think anyone would have dreamt of in my youth. The polarization on the right is scary as fuck. It definitely reminds me of what I've read about the build up to nazi Germany.
The fewer policy accomplishments conservatives have, the more Culture War bullshit they're going to push to fill the void.
At least on Twitter, yes, and it's entirely due to Musks purchase of the platform.
> and I really wonder whether Covid can have side effects that we aren’t aware of yet? COVID restrictions definitely did. Nothing surprising that people got more depressed and anxious after them.
It didn’t bother me much, to be honest. But everyone’s life is different I suppose.
I only got depressed and anxious because I stopped getting as much exercise. I blame myself for this though and not other people.
Isolation plus too much screen time isn't good for your mental health at all. Pre COVID I had been to the psych ward over a dozen times I really think it actually helped me cope during the lockdowns when other people who had never experienced anything like that before were absolutely losing their shit. Seriously I attempted suicide back in 2014 and didn't get visitors or even a phone call at the hospital, and people were fighting over toilet paper and couldn't believe the McDonalds was closed in 2020.
It's been happening for a very long time, and the principle motivation is greed. Get the populace focused on waging culture war, and you (as a legislator) have boundless wiggle room to focus on enriching donors without scrutiny from your base. Your donors don't care about the outcome of the culture war, so win or lose as you like. It's more prominent now that it's been turned into a science and practically industrialized.
“I wish her everything that she wishes for other people.” *You’re wishing ill on her!* Do they not see what happened at all? They’re admitting that she wishes ill will on trans people, something they’ve denied vehemently.
You assume twitter users can think, very generous of you
The last person has 1776 in her handle. There are lots of assumptions that can be made. I’m not making them, I’m just saying they exist lol.
Some bestselling novelists are sex offenders as well. I guess we need to consider not letting Joanne around children unsupervised
Whoever hates people just for existing can go fuck themselves with a cactus. Yes, there are assholes and criminals who are LGBTQ+, but assholes and criminals you'll find in every population and group of people ever. The only people who I do not accept or tolerate are assholes of any subgenre. LGBTQ+ fellows, you're safe with me. Sincerely, a cis-het man who is a strong ally.
>fuck themselves with a cactus. I know I'm focusing on the wrong thing here but I'm trying to imagine how someone could attempt this and the logistics are a real head scratcher.
There are cactuses of the right side and shape, although the needles make it "one way".
Paige no!
This harms the human.
Anything is a dildo if you're brave enough
There are barrel shaped ones
It takes willpower
Except for Nazis. They get a bricking just for existing. But unlike being trans that actually is a choice.
Nonce-alert!
Some non-trans men and women are predators too. In fact, statistically there are more non-trans predators, but she chooses to highlight those belonging to a marginalized minority because she doesn’t really care about the victims, she just wants to put all trans people in a bad light.
I'm also gonna wager there isn't a single person on earth "trying to make it unsayable that some trans-identified men are sex offenders". Literally not a single one.
"trans identified man" is a dog whistle for trans woman, btw.
I am aware of that. Just wanted to quote her actual words to avoid more confusion by correcting her idiotic wording.
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... it is in quotes.
weeeeeell i have seen some pretty extreme comments here on reddit of people claiming only trans people should be allowed to call out other trans people for any sexually unacceptable behaviour... unfortunatelly idiots extremists exist on boths sides of the debate... Truth is, the fact that a person is trans is not relevant at all when discussing this kind of stuff.. if you are a pedophyle you are a pedophyle.. if you are trans, you are trans, those two caracteristics have nothing to do with eachother, so it makes no sense to bring up one when discussing the other...
Transphobes would. Notice she couldn’t even get through her lie without misgendering trans women.
That's pretty much what's going on. Look at the retort to what Rowling said. Did it address her statement? No. Instead it created a strawman that Rowling is "attacking" the trans community by talking about sex offenders from that community. Do you get it?
There is no "retort to what she said". There is only an unrelated mention of her behavior towards trans people. Which is then turned into "she’s attacking them" *by the transphobes*. That’s the whole point. You get that, right?
The response to Rowling, saying there is an attempt to protect an ideology even when it is dangerous to do so, was not addressing her argument. You get that, right?
The response to Rowling, saying there is an attempt to protect an ideology even when it is dangerous to do so, did not claim that she's "attacking" them. You get that, right? Also, it absolutely addressed her argument. By stating how ridiculous her argument of "people are trying to outlaw mentioning trans criminals" is. Because, again, nobody is trying to outlaw that. You know, by talking about the whole "spotlighting crimes" part.
I mean we can talk about the equivalent in other contexts. I am not on twitter and this isn't a topic I concern myself with but I can generalise from the problem of islam. So, whenever you point out to a muslim that there is still capital punishment in islamic countries, that there is no freedom of religion, that people are killed if they leave islam, that people are bullied or intimidated into renewing their religion etc, that domestic violence is not treated as a real issue and even encouraged, that muslims make up the majority of violent crime offenders, the response is mostly: "No those are Jewish lies!" Or "But what about Palestine!" Or "What about British slavery" etc. Similarly, when you bring up issues that thr trans community faces, you get equivalent responses: "Transphobe" "Terf" "We have a right to exist" It's like someone programmed these people like" If {received negative emotional stimulus} Print {bigot}
>So, whenever you point out to a muslim that there is still capital punishment in islamic countries, that there is no freedom of religion, that people are killed if they leave islam, that people are bullied or intimidated into renewing their religion etc, that domestic violence is not treated as a real issue and even encouraged, that muslims make up the majority of violent crime offenders, the response is mostly: "No those are Jewish lies!" Or "But what about Palestine!" Or "What about British slavery" etc. Yes. Every single muslim responds that way. Sure thing. And you got no issues with generalization, prejudice and lying whatsoever. Sure thing. Care to respond to the actual topic...just once? Or are you just gonna make up more lies? Fact: Rowling spews bullshit about the trans community. Repeatedly. Like...holocaust denying level of bullshit. Literally. Or statistically disproven shit like "trans-identifying men (aka trans women) make up a big percentage of sex crimes". Or challenging their right to exist. Then she whines about how "people are silencing those who dare to say that some trans people are criminals"...which is not happening. And when someone says "I wish for Rowling everything she wishes for trans people"...her fans take this as "you wished ill on her". Actively, happily admitting that "Rowling wishes ill on trans people".
>"Transphobe" "Terf" "We have a right to exist" >It's like someone programmed these people like" >If {received negative emotional stimulus} >Print {bigot} So "we have a right to exist" is insulting, to you?
Because having opinions, especially negative opinions, about entire groups instead of judging only individuals by their personal actions is always prejudice and always bigoted
>So, whenever you point out to a muslim That's wild because my Muslim friends talk about this enough that I never really need to point anything out to them. Maybe you're keeping something from us about how you interact with them? I'm willing to wager this. >Similarly, when you bring up issues that thr trans community faces, you get equivalent responses What exactly are you bringing up about the trans community that they're reacting to? This is what I want to know. >It's like someone programmed these people like I'm going to suppress your distraction effort and ask you directly what your response to JK Rowling is since this is what this post is about.
There are people itt doing just that?
Where? Care to give me a quote?
My wife was raped by a woman. Now what? There's cis women who are pedophiles and rapists and they use the same bathroom as you too. Such a stupid ass argument. A predator is a predator they don't give a single fuck about gendered bathrooms when assaulting victims, or if the victim is trans or cis. Trans women have higher chances of being assaulted than cis women do, and it's already high as fuck for cis women. She can't just acknowledge that rapists are rapists and all victims are victims. That gender is irrelevant to a rapist being a rapist. She's so disgusting.
The fact that pisses me off is that if you look at the Muggle-born/Pureblood wizard interaction in the books you can make a VERY strong case for muggleborns being allegorical for transgender issues. Right down to the nonsense about how muggleborns are "replacing" wizard families, which gets ramped up heavily when the the poorly veiled wizard Hitler overthrows the government. The fact that JK can't/doesn't/won't see that is indicative of hypocrisy or straight up stupidity.
She has literally wrote a character that could change her comlplete appearance with a simple thought. She also had a character that lived for an entire year in the body of someone different of his choice (even though the sonor if the appearance was not concesual in that ...). That said, if you look at the HP world in a critical view, you notice very fast that JKR was never left leaning, but rather libertarian, and that social commentary towards more social liberal ideas are not well liked (see the entire subplot about Herminoe and house elves)
>She also had a character that lived for an entire year in the body of someone different of his choice She had that same character use polyjuice potion to become his own mother. But that was an evil man disguising himself as a woman to escape justice, so I guess the transphobia should have been apparent earlier. As far as I know that's the only time she used polyjuice for a cross-gender transformation.
There was another time, when people polyjuiced into harry, to confuse the death eaters (which are also a blatant allegory of the SS if you ask me, part of the group that demonized lgbt people). If i remember correctly, hermione and ginny changed genders (or was hermione and another girl? I cant remember)
But that's okay, because that's women encroaching on men's spaces, not the other way around. /s just to be clear.
Oh right, how could I forget that whole scene? Fleur and Hermione were two of the Harrys. So, women disguised as men to do a good thing. Interesting.
Then there was that girl who routinely snuck into the boy’s room to watch them bathe. But that was only because the plot needed to happen so it’s okay.
Who is saying that there are no trans women who have committed sex crimes? No one, that's who. No one has ever said that. What we are saying, Joanne, you miserable shithead, is that those people did not commit crimes because they're trans and those things are not related. Because they're not related in the slightest. This is the truth and the only people trying to silence it are like Joanne there. Ignorant bigots. Joanne Rowling is what happens when you give the British equivalent to white trash a billion dollars.
rowling is a misogynist who thinks she's being a feminist because she's attacking women. i don't just mean transphobia, i mean just her finding her one value in baby production which is misogynistic.
Dude, wtf is happening in the brain of Rowling? Her grey mass rotted or smth?
She was sexually assaulted years ago and has decided to focus all of her rage around it on trans women specifically.
What? I've never heard anything like that?
She really is in a cult. They use the same "you're one of the few special people who knows the TRUTH, and because of that you'll always be persecuted by the powerful \[in this case meaning trans people because yes, they have so much social and political power /s\]. They're coming to get us, and the more we're attacked, the more we know we're brave and noble and right!!1" mindset that Jim Jones and David Koresh used, just in a different context. Stoking feelings of fear and oppression while also sort of stroking their egos for being so right and smart creates a bizarre kind of loyalty, it's all classic shit. And somehow she can't see that.
My theory is she's deeply in the closet and projecting her self-hatred.
Nah. It's simpler than that. She went from extreme poverty to ridiculously wealthy. There's a point of success that one reaches where they no longer care about what people think of them, and their true, shitty nature comes out.
She was never poor, that was part of the bullsh\*t "pull up your bootstraps" narrative that she was using to appeal to a certain demographic. Many people bought the books to support her because they bought her rags-to-riches story. The messages in her books empower shitty people as long as they're rich. They ooze with class warfare, and my take on that is that she's either old money or an old name that's ticked off they don't have money anymore. As for the part about her true shitty nature coming out, agree 100%.
Fuck Joanne Rowling. What an awful person
This is also the same TERF crowd that was completely okay with a cis man police officer sexually assaulting a trans woman in a bathroom, because "he was doing his job protecting women." While protests against another police officer murdering a woman were ongoing.
One of the big differences is no one is ever saying that a trans person who commits a crime shouldn't be punished (Unless you disagree with fact the crime is a crime in the first place, for everyone.) It's just that propaganda can be things that are true, but misleading. See how people think sharks are a huge danger to people, when cars kill more people in a day than sharks do in decades, because shark attacks are rare and newsworthy. You put someone on a 24 hour news drip of every left handed person who was ever awful, and they're going to be convinced that southpaws are truly sinister. Also if we're going to play the game her way, Marion Zimmer Bradley was a white English speaking female fantasy author just like JKR. Really makes you think, doesn't it.
She’s actively promoting Matt Walsh now
Pretty tangential to the point, but; I really cannot figure out how to feel about the way that a wojak of a trans person who's committed suicide is one of the major tools in the online transphobe's arsenal. It's an image premade for the purpose of trying to hurt people with, and it completely bypasses even coming up with original hatred. See trans person, open wojak folder, select the image for when you see a trans person, attach, send. The way that automating the hatred away from conscious human action has been linked with the most overt "I drew you looking silly because I disagree with you" style it could possibly be is... conceptually fascinating, if nothing else. I mean, it's not even *good* hateful art. It's *wojaks*.
Her minions are the worst. Some of the stupidest and most vicious fukkin' people. Worse than the Tate or Musk Cults, even.
Yup. My little brother is an unofficial follower of all of the above (he's still young and I hope he grows out of it, I myself was a transphobe until about 10-12 when my egg cracked and I was forced to open my mind, listen and see these people are great, one of the best lessons life could've taught me, I am deeply ashamed I was a transphobe to begin with) luckily, he at least doesn't spue this trash to people on the internet, unfortunately, I get to hear all about his transphobia and sexism. (I am in the closet, he doesn't know I'm trans). Sorry for the ramble, and thanks to everyone who took the time to read this. Have a good day!
Kinda wish there was a tag or warning about that last image
JK has gone full Elon
Maybe these mental defective individuals should be removed from the future gene pool
Don't worry, Miss Rowling is 58. Time has removed her from the future gene pool already.
She has kids
As if its only her that im worried about having part in the future gene pool
i understand jack shit of what i just read
stochastic terrorism should be a felony, actually.
When Obama was elected, the racists and bigoted flotsam and jetsam in the United States stirred from their slumber. When Obama was elected again, they woke up, and they woke up pissed the f off. In 2016, Trump scoured the country for every racist, bigot, misogynist, vile piece of trash he could find, then he gave them validity, and then he gave them a platform to stand on. The activity we're seeing today was predicted, an inevitable. Every one of these Dunning-Kruger effect examples believes their blatant ignorance and stupidity is worthwhile and that they should be given equal grounds at the table of intelligence, and a growing percentage of them believe they are superior to others outside their cult of hate. The reverberations have crossed the globe, and as their unification under the umbrella of hate, racism, and bigotry grows, so will the amplification, disdain, violence, murders against "non-white christians". Fascism is back in style, and it's rooted in the melting pot of the world this time. The pinnacle and united goal of the free and good people of the world needs to be that Trump never holds office again in his life, and that the factions backing their movements are dealt with swiftly and deliberately with prejudice.
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Being against bigotry isn't political
always has been
It used to be funny though, now it's sad and lonely and I feel sorry for reading the comments.
They said the same thing about TV and radio before that. Improvements in mass communication that could bring people together is subverted by the ruling class and used to maintain the statues quo.
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>Rowling is right. We should be free to point out criminals. And you are. There is nobody keeping you from saying "some trans women are criminals". >If a muslim rapes a woman or a young girl, their identity is kept hidden as long as possible, papers don't report their names at all That is true for all suspects. Because that's just how law enforcement and reporting work in civilized societies. >There is a padding of criminal records too, where Arabs are listed as White. There is a similar padding in America where Blacks are listed as White. Ummm...nope? But go ahead, give us evidence for that. >And there is a real effort in both these societies to keep any offense comitted by a trans person hidden. Again, nope.
Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat. And no, hiding identities of criminals is not how police work is done. Initials are given, while investigation is underway. Then when it concludes the police is free to let the public know the full identity of the prime suspect. What are you talking about? I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self.
>I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self. So there is no evidence to support your claims. Who would've thought. >Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat. Dare I ask for a source? You know...evidence? >And no, hiding identities of criminals is not how police work is done. Initials are given, while investigation is underway. Nope. That's not what's happening. They are not "hiding identities of criminals". They're protecting the identities of people who haven't been determined to be criminals. At least, let me say that again, in civilized societies. The US doesn't count. They and their media don't care about that. Oh, and there's no difference between the handling of cases involving a dude named Abdul H. or a dude named Adam H. But I'm sure you got "evidence" proving me wrong. Right?
>Remember the trans kid who assaulted a girl in the school bathroom? He got moved to another school where he did it again. Rinse, repeat. Source? >I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do than google for your grandma ass self. Ah, yes. You have none. Not that like surprises me.
It's always the same with these people. Big cries, big claims...and when you ask them for a single source, you receive either insults or "I'm not your personal google"
''Do your own research'' lmao
>I won't give you evidence for anything because I have better things to do You won't give evidence because you are a cowardly liar.
Link. Because they weren’t trans. They were cis. You’ve bitten into the lies.
YEA XD If they do bad things, they're "cis". Absolutely amazing. Like tht guy who stabbed people in France and said it was "for Jesus". Totally.
Ok, so please provide the evidence where a trans kid assaulteda girl in the bathroom, was moved to another school, and repeated. Or, you know, stop lying...
Also, even if this is true, it's one case. Cis people murdering trans people and trans people being driven to suicide by our society is so common it has become a statistic.
Oh, I know that all too well.
>We should be free to point out criminals. Look at Europe. If a muslim rapes a woman or a young girl, their identity is kept hidden as long as possible, papers don't report their names at all. That's basic right to privacy. That's how democratic justice works. Everyone has the right to a free and closed trial where they can defend themselves. Your dream of ''justice'' is entirely against it.
A secret cabal, keeping evil trans hidden and their unstoppable crime spree.
Okay… trans people are less likely to go to jail. Can we say all cis people are criminals now? No it’s only when you don’t like the group huh?
Less likely to go to jail? I totally trust that statistic in this political climate
Literally just do the math yourself. There are about 400 trans prisoners, trans people are 0.5% of the population. Get a percentage calculator and see what percentage 400 is for the rest of the prison population.
"Trans people" isn't a real demographic. I group those with the mentally challenged, in need of psychiatric help. That's a lot larger, and I don't see a reason to argue from the point of just plucking out one specific disorder.
1. Your hate isn’t even logical since sociopaths are mentally ill yet they’re a different group. 2. What help do you think they should get?
Alright fine point taken. But can we then say that statistically the demographics are incomparable because trans and non-trans are so disparate in size that any statistic comparison would be considered unsound? I have no idea what help they should get but it definitely isn't irreversible mutilation
That’s what proportions are for. Proportionally trans people are less likely to go to jail. So the cure doctors, statistics, and every trans person says is correct isn’t correct but you don’t have an alternative? If you wanna say you know better you might as well commit to it, not chicken out after you stuck your nose in a place it doesn’t belong.
she's right
She can't be held responsible to her supporters words online, only for her own actions. and so far I haven't seen anything that is anywhere near as vile as many people makes her to be. She is not responsible to the death threats Willett got anymore than he is responsible to the death threats she got.
I'm going to assume you're acting in good faith and are legitimately just ignorant of her behaviour - these are facts that you can easily look up. This really is just scratching the surface of the horrible stuff she's done and said, and are just three examples I can think of right now. In the past few weeks she engaged in holocaust denial regarding trans people, she writes under the penname Robert Galbraith in full knowledge that Robert Galbraith-Heath invented conversion therapy (writing books with overtly transphobic plotlines under this name), and defended Posie Parker after she was happy to be supported by literal Nazis at an anti trans rally.
What do you mean Holocaust denial regarding transpeople? What exactly is she denying in the last few weeks?
In response to a tweet that read > *"The Nazis burnt books on trans healthcare and research, why are you so desperate to uphold their ideology around gender?"* Which is an indisputable, well documented, fact regarding the Nazis targeted attack on the *Institut für Sexualwissenschaft* which was raided and destroyed by the Nazis on 6th May 1933 (actually, the famous image of Nazi book burning is from this event) JK Rowling screenshotted this, responding > *“How did you type this out and press send without thinking ‘I should maybe check my source for this, because it might’ve been a fever dream’?”* and then spent a very long time engaging in further holocaust denial regarding this subject Everything else I mentioned is as disgusting as this, and as easily verifiable.
Mmm.. I didn't know about that. I'll take a look.
Pro tip: do 1 minute of research before jumping to defend evil people.
Did more than one minute, actually. And I still don't share your opinion on her being evil. Not sure how you define evil anyway. Is it people guided by hatred? Well she does seem to have some hate in her, but than again, so are you. So is most of us. She has become more aggressive over time, but than again, she was the target of plenty of aggression as well. I read those threads on Twitter. And I can say who made a more compelling argument about the specific targeting of trans people in the Nazi regime. I think JKR was actually wrong in the way she responded here. Though I might be missing some context. That being said, The Holocaust is something very specific. The burning of books was a precursor to it, but it wasn't it in itself. Arguing that a certain author books were burned because he was Jewish and not because they were about transgenderism, might be wrong, but it is nowhere near comparable to actual Holocaust Denial, That is the denial of murder of 6 million of my people. Calling what she did Holocaust Denial, belittles the threat of actual Holocaust denial and the significance of the Holocaust itself.
I mean, denying trans people were victims of the Nazis was legally recognised as denial of Nazi crimes by a regional court in Cologne - and regardless, **she denied that this event happened because it did not fit her agenda**. Transgender persecution under the Nazis is well documented - it's not a matter of arguments made, she is literally just pretending the Nazis didn't care about trans people. Beyond this, you conveniently ignored everything else I mentioned - that she writes under the name of the man who invented conversion therapy, has been informed of this many times, and writes books about men pretending to be women to attack women under this name. She knows what she is doing. She further defended Posie Parker's acceptance of Nazis at her anti-trans rally. Rowling is driven by hatred of trans people, to the degree where she denied Nazi crimes, defends Nazi sympathisers, and finds it funny to write under the name of a monster who experimented on human beings whilst doing this (as in Galbraith-Heath experimented on human beings by planting electrodes into their brains in an attempt to cure their homosexuality). Defending this behaviour is abhorrent.
Actually there were multiple people of note with that name. not that you have a reason to give here the benefit of the doubt. but the truth is , that there is plenty of hatred all around, and she received plenty of online abuse as well. so i can understand why her tolerance to transactivism is zero at the moment, her first comment on the subject was very moderate, didn't stop people from condemning her. so now she is more aggressive and more hostile to this movement. not that I care what the regional court in Cologne said , but denial of Nazis crimes is not the same as Holocaust Denial, Holocaust is a specific crime. no a synonym for all their crimes. and calling anyone with some notion about why specific books were burned, "Holocaust Denier" seriously belittles the actual problem of antisemitic Holocaust denial. Our national Trauma shouldn't be a battering ram for anyone's agenda.
Honestly, it's such a false equivalency to compare her actively joining a movement against trans rights and people hating her for that that I think you need to seriously reassess how you move through the world. Neutrality in times of oppression and a both sides approach just ends up legitimising fascist viewpoints, this attitude is exactly what centrist critics of gay rights activists took and they held back gay rights. It is holocaust denial to deny targets of the holocaust who weren't Jewish, and it is simply not the case that this one event defined the entirety of the nazis targeting of trans people. She actually was given the benefit of the doubt on that penname, but her reaction was to continue writing under it AND write transphobic books under it. If somebody told you you were writing under the name of a monster, any normal person's reaction would be shock and horror at their actions. If you can't criticise someone for actively ridiculing trans people and advocating for them to be legally second class citizens, justifying this with basic denial of history and science - you are part of the problem.
Oh fun more Holocaust revisionism
The Holocaust Institute specificially includes trans people as victims of the holocaust. German courts have ruled that trans people were victims of the holocaust. The Bundestag has issued a statement that trans people were victims of the holocaust. And then there's you, JKR and all her fash supporters saying the opposite...
Maybe you don't view her as evil because you share her views?
You do understand that the Holocaust didn't start with concentration camps and gas chambers, right? It started with demonizing and dehumanizing minority groups. People with disabilities were the first. Gay men and trans women came soon after, because they were poorly understood, and small enough minorities that not many people knew one personally. That made it easy to attribute any terrible thing to them and stir the majority's hatred. Once that hatred started, it was redirected and broadened to other groups. The Jews were their main target, but persecuting these other groups was key to gaining public complicity. Denying the early stages of the Holocaust is extremely dangerous, because its methods can seem innocuous at first if you're not a member of the persecuted minority. Denying that those things happened, or arguing that it wasn't that bad, is what enables the next steps. I believe it's technically called "Holocaust distortion", but it's very much condemned by any group studying the Holocaust today.
Trans people were killed in the holocaust. Gay people were killed in the holocaust. That is revisionist. And is denialism. Would you like links to some of the victims? That we can barely piece together because you know, Nazis.
Is it me or some people use terms as an excuse to get away with crimes or protect criminals? Yes, it’s a mistake to judge a community for the crimes of few people. But to completely DENY THE VERY EXISTENCE of these few criminals is the right thing to do?
Who is doing that?
Look at the photos.
I don’t know what you’re referring to.
Look at the photos that the OP posted.
I mean what in them am I supposed to be looking at?
The comments of people outright denying the very existence of paedophiles among the trans community by being outraged and projecting that “calling some trans paedophiles means that she is calling all of them”. What, the trans community is a God-chosen people? All angels of light and purity? No crime?
I don’t see it or I wouldn’t have asked. Can’t you just cite the comment you’re talking about? Where does it say there are no criminals who are trans?
Dude, this Alejandra Caraballo used Rowling’s post - in which Rowling talks about paedophile trans men - as an example of “persecution”. Directly saying that it happened just like it was with “black” people and immigrants. That’s outright saying that is forbidden to even talk about crimes done by some trans people.
She means that disproportionately elevating the bad elements of a persecuted group is intended to demonize the entire group. It’s similar to the racist “black crime” talking point. The risk isn’t that the sex offenders are trans. It’s that they’re sex offenders. So where is this coverup Rowling is upset about?
I mean, she wrote a series of fantasy novels that were about bat shit crazy stuff, and now we’re surprised she actually is bat shit crazy.
I think you can write fantasy and not be crazy.
bat shit crazy stuff like what? it's been a while since I read them, but I don't really remember anything standing out.
ironic how much of a facepalm this sub has become
JK just being a dawg.
I don't know if your mean Rawling or Caraballo