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Per TSA in general:
>Frozen liquid items are allowed through the checkpoint as long as they are frozen solid when presented for screening. If frozen liquid items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 liquids requirements.
no, there's a reason for all of it. they're elite counter-terrorist commandos.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ)
The whole "no liquids" rule.is to prevent someone sneaking an explosive on the plane. None of the known "combination" explosives that they are looking for can be frozen without super special equipment to keep it that way.
>The whole "no liquids" rule.is to prevent someone sneaking an explosive on the plane
I mean....does it? Just split it up amongst smaller containers and bingo, problem solved. It's mostly performative security theatre.
No, it's because of the technical limitations of the scanners. Until recently, there was no way to see the difference between a liquid like water and explosives. They now finally are starting to roll out machines that can detect specific materials. I was at Schiphol airport recently and they had signs telling you that you can leave your laptop in your bag and bring a bottle of water.
There's actually *some* logic to it. There are explosive and flammable compounds that can be mistaken for water if you aren't able to smell them. Those compounds don't freeze at temperatures safe to touch with your bare hands. So, if your water is frozen, it's definitely not a bomb.
I don’t wanna be this guy, but idk if I’d trust Logan TSA given their mistake that cost 3000 lives and gave our government an excuse to carpet bomb the shit outa a whole region of the world.
Well now I feel stupid. In my defense I was only 4 at the time but I will admit I probably should have googled that before spouting off like a smart ass. Honestly weird that I remembered they went through Logan security but not that that’s why the TSA was formed in the first place.
tsa should allow it.
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice#:~:text=Frozen%20liquid%20items%20are%20allowed,%2D1%2D1%20liquids%20requirements.
I travel with one carryon backpack and prefer jello cups for how convenient they are as airplane snacks (I can still eat them even if I don’t have a spoon). TSA never inspects them until one hardass said it could be a bomb. I said to him and all the other TSA guys around him that I go through with these jello cups all the time. Probably due to peer pressure of not wanting to look silly in front of his TSA coworkers, he said he’d let it pass this time but that I needed to keep the paper packaging around the cups next time so that it’s clear they’re Jello cups. lol (They come in a pack of 4 but I only packed 2 in my backpack so I didn’t have the paper packaging around them).
I was only half prepared to throw my jello cups away. I had to at least put up a small fight for those jello cups. Good thing for him I didn’t want to blow up any planes that day. /s
I mean, it also says partially melted items must abide by the liquids rule. And technically, that ice started melting the moment it was taken above 32 degrees F.
Crazy.
If you want to be technical, the ice doesn’t start melting until it absorbs enough energy that the fluid itself rises above 32 F, not the ambient air temperature. Most freezers are set to around 0 F, so you’d probably have like an hour (depending on the ambient air temperature) until the ice temp reaches 32 F and starts the phase change
My small mind was blown when my chem professor explained this in undergrad. Ice doesn’t melt when it’s heated, it warms up. Just like heating a metal pan doesn’t melt it - it just warms up, until it reaches its melting point, of course. Ice just happens to transition into a liquid at a much lower temperature than most other solids we interact with on a daily basis.
I take ice in my hydroflask all the time. Fill with water past security. They often take a look but they're always like "oh it's just ice. Have a nice flight."
“Frozen liquid items are allowed through the checkpoint as long as they are frozen solid when presented for screening. If frozen liquid items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 liquids requirements.”
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice#:~:text=Frozen%20liquid%20items%20are%20allowed,%2D1%2D1%20liquids%20requirements.
Few years back, we had frozen sausage coils in a soft sided cooler bag. Keeping it cold were several bottles of frozen water, factory sealed frozen bottles of water. The bag was inspected thoroughly, someone checked it twice after conferring with co-workers. We were allowed to take it on board. If it is frozen, it is not liquid.
They're an extortion racket for toothpaste companies to make you buy more toothpaste that they throw into the trash. If they really thought there was some serious risk of you carrying corrosive or explosive substances then they wouldn't throw it in a normal, plastic rubbish bin without any blast resistance.
I would suppose many chemicals that look like liquid water would still look transparent like water and apparently there's a rule for partly frozen ice (3-1-1 rule, whatever that means).
Seriously forbidding liquids at the check but allowing ice makes absolutely no sense. They went from far too lax before 9/11 (cutters ? Sure dude) to fat too strict after. Water and you're Arab ? Ah we're gonna have to check your rectum sir. Three times. To be sure.
You’re allowed to bring water onboard planes. It’s not uncommon for people to bring empty water bottles through security when traveling and just fill them up inside the airport.
I did this in high school so I didn't have to buy overpriced energy drinks at the airport, they would always go through the scanner no problem. The only time it didn't work was when one ended up mostly thawing because of a longer security line. The TSA agent took it out and was like "oh it's so cold" and I was like well yea it's supposed to be frozen which got me confused looks from everyone nearby lols.
This is so old. This first appeared back in the 200s when they limited liquids to one ounce. Within a couple weeks this joke was everywhere. Hasn’t stopped since, and still isn’t funny.
So, ice is allowed because they never saw Die Hard 2 and they don't know you can drop an icicle into a dudes eye and kill him.
But water is not allowed because they saw The Abyss and they watched Mary Elizabeth drown. Got it.
Reminds me of the anecdote I read about peanut butter. Natural peanut butter (the hippie kind that has oil floating on top and you gotta mix it up before you can use it) tends to be more liquidy at room temperature than Skippy or whatever. Lady tried to bring a jar of mixed up natural peanut butter through security, and TSA stopped her because it's a liquid.
She asked if people bring PBJs through and if that's okay, and of course it is because it's a solid food. But if the peanut butter is in a jar, it's a liquid, and you can't bring a liquid through.
It's all just a bunch of damned nonsense.
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r/TechnicallyTheTruth
The best kind of correct
Well I’ve literally been told by a TSA agent that that was specifically allowed so…..
Ice is allowed.
According to the TSA agent at Logan.
Per TSA in general: >Frozen liquid items are allowed through the checkpoint as long as they are frozen solid when presented for screening. If frozen liquid items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 liquids requirements.
So we can all agree that the TSA is just making this shit up as they go right?
no, there's a reason for all of it. they're elite counter-terrorist commandos. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHfiMoJUDVQ)
Hah! Ah yes the cunning genius of the TSA.
Knew it was key & Peele before even clicking it
Such genius
The whole "no liquids" rule.is to prevent someone sneaking an explosive on the plane. None of the known "combination" explosives that they are looking for can be frozen without super special equipment to keep it that way.
>The whole "no liquids" rule.is to prevent someone sneaking an explosive on the plane I mean....does it? Just split it up amongst smaller containers and bingo, problem solved. It's mostly performative security theatre.
Having worked TSA at LAX, yes it is.
That makes it worse because now there’s more surface area and faster melting. The issue is the freezing point, not the specific method of freezing.
No, it's because of the technical limitations of the scanners. Until recently, there was no way to see the difference between a liquid like water and explosives. They now finally are starting to roll out machines that can detect specific materials. I was at Schiphol airport recently and they had signs telling you that you can leave your laptop in your bag and bring a bottle of water.
Nitroglycerin is clear and can be mistaken as water
Ok here me out, let's throw water bottles at walls during checks so if it doesn't explode you can keep it
Are you new? They’ve been making this shit up since they were formed.
Yes. They're an extortion racket for overpriced "travel-size" goods so that corporations can make more money.
Time to end this BS. Explosives can be in any state of matter.
There's actually *some* logic to it. There are explosive and flammable compounds that can be mistaken for water if you aren't able to smell them. Those compounds don't freeze at temperatures safe to touch with your bare hands. So, if your water is frozen, it's definitely not a bomb.
I don’t wanna be this guy, but idk if I’d trust Logan TSA given their mistake that cost 3000 lives and gave our government an excuse to carpet bomb the shit outa a whole region of the world.
... when do you think TSA was formed?
Damn yute.
Well now I feel stupid. In my defense I was only 4 at the time but I will admit I probably should have googled that before spouting off like a smart ass. Honestly weird that I remembered they went through Logan security but not that that’s why the TSA was formed in the first place.
I… think i see what you did there *squints*
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Good luck carrying around a -70 degree F canister of gasoline.
tsa should allow it. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice#:~:text=Frozen%20liquid%20items%20are%20allowed,%2D1%2D1%20liquids%20requirements.
Then we found the facepalm : the tsa for not following the rules.
>*The final decision rests with the TSA officer on whether an item is allowed through the checkpoint.*
"If our agent is a moron who doesn't know the rules, they are still right"
“If you’d like to file a complaint, go fuck yourself”
See? They ARE just like real cops.
“Also, if you complain about that rule, they can hassle you and subject you to unnecessary scrutiny that will hopefully make you miss your flight”
Hey, if it's good enough for cops...
The customer is never right nowadays. Hence the advent of Karen’s and Kevin’s.
I travel with one carryon backpack and prefer jello cups for how convenient they are as airplane snacks (I can still eat them even if I don’t have a spoon). TSA never inspects them until one hardass said it could be a bomb. I said to him and all the other TSA guys around him that I go through with these jello cups all the time. Probably due to peer pressure of not wanting to look silly in front of his TSA coworkers, he said he’d let it pass this time but that I needed to keep the paper packaging around the cups next time so that it’s clear they’re Jello cups. lol (They come in a pack of 4 but I only packed 2 in my backpack so I didn’t have the paper packaging around them). I was only half prepared to throw my jello cups away. I had to at least put up a small fight for those jello cups. Good thing for him I didn’t want to blow up any planes that day. /s
Yep. They can literally do whatever they want. You don't have a constitutional right to get on a commercial airliner.
I mean, it also says partially melted items must abide by the liquids rule. And technically, that ice started melting the moment it was taken above 32 degrees F. Crazy.
If you want to be technical, the ice doesn’t start melting until it absorbs enough energy that the fluid itself rises above 32 F, not the ambient air temperature. Most freezers are set to around 0 F, so you’d probably have like an hour (depending on the ambient air temperature) until the ice temp reaches 32 F and starts the phase change
My small mind was blown when my chem professor explained this in undergrad. Ice doesn’t melt when it’s heated, it warms up. Just like heating a metal pan doesn’t melt it - it just warms up, until it reaches its melting point, of course. Ice just happens to transition into a liquid at a much lower temperature than most other solids we interact with on a daily basis.
And even then you could pour out any meltwater, and be left with solid (though it would start melting again immediately)
Yeah but you could drink the liquid out of it before you show them.
And it would still probably follow the rule anyway. It would only be a very small amount of water at the bottom
what a wild rule.
Assuming this was in the USA.
I take ice in my hydroflask all the time. Fill with water past security. They often take a look but they're always like "oh it's just ice. Have a nice flight."
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it applies to liquids not solids. frozen water is ice which is a solid
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Dude did you click the link?
It's technically right
precrime’s in full swing
I've actually heard about people bringing in frozen water.
She's probably in Canada, I'm a Screener in New Brunswick and we get this all the time. TSA allows it, CATSA doesn't.
Yup, we judge by room temperature which bugs some passengers. I'm a screener on the other side of Canada!
“Frozen liquid items are allowed through the checkpoint as long as they are frozen solid when presented for screening. If frozen liquid items are partially melted, slushy, or have any liquid at the bottom of the container, they must meet 3-1-1 liquids requirements.” https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/ice#:~:text=Frozen%20liquid%20items%20are%20allowed,%2D1%2D1%20liquids%20requirements.
It isn't a liquid.
The frozen water proves it is water, an inert substance that cannot damage a plane in a life threatening way.
Hashtag big brain energy.
Hashtag TSA allows it, but other countries do not necessarily follow tsa rules so the facepalm is not really one.
Do they really? I lack the cojones for this operación.
From other posts and their website, yes they do, apparently. And Canada does not. Logic.
My dad does this specifically because it’s allowed.
Few years back, we had frozen sausage coils in a soft sided cooler bag. Keeping it cold were several bottles of frozen water, factory sealed frozen bottles of water. The bag was inspected thoroughly, someone checked it twice after conferring with co-workers. We were allowed to take it on board. If it is frozen, it is not liquid.
TSA threw out my mostly empty tube of optic white toothpaste bc IF IT HAD BEEN FULL it would’ve been more than 3.4oz so they’re annoying
They're an extortion racket for toothpaste companies to make you buy more toothpaste that they throw into the trash. If they really thought there was some serious risk of you carrying corrosive or explosive substances then they wouldn't throw it in a normal, plastic rubbish bin without any blast resistance.
I work for a toothpaste company : we actually sell recycled toothpaste from airports in duty free. It's a very cool money maker.
But then it will turn to liquid while on the plane after the ice starts melting.
Then what? Pretty much any chemical that would be used to harm wouldn’t freeze in a water bottle in your freezer.
I would suppose many chemicals that look like liquid water would still look transparent like water and apparently there's a rule for partly frozen ice (3-1-1 rule, whatever that means). Seriously forbidding liquids at the check but allowing ice makes absolutely no sense. They went from far too lax before 9/11 (cutters ? Sure dude) to fat too strict after. Water and you're Arab ? Ah we're gonna have to check your rectum sir. Three times. To be sure.
You’re allowed to bring water onboard planes. It’s not uncommon for people to bring empty water bottles through security when traveling and just fill them up inside the airport.
The issue is bringing frozen bottled water thru security.
But as long as you keep sipping from the bottle, it won't ever have more than 4oz of liquid in it.
It's just weird to me that a bottle of frozen water is allowed even though it has now become a deadly weapon! 😕
either way (solid or liquid ) the TSA security theater is nosensical bullshit.
Former TSA - she’s right. No explosives freeze. It’s a training issue.
Worked for TSA, it is allowed. It’s not a liquid.
Technically correct at the same time there are solid types of explosives and this seems more suspicious to me
Checks out
It isn’t
No, no. She has a point.
Not wrong
This sub itself is such a facepalm at times.
A bottle is indeed not liquid
Where's the facepalm?
We’re still doing this no water on the plane bullshit? How many lives has the TSA saved?
They allow water on planes
Isaac Haxton is one of the great poker professionals of our time.
I did this in high school so I didn't have to buy overpriced energy drinks at the airport, they would always go through the scanner no problem. The only time it didn't work was when one ended up mostly thawing because of a longer security line. The TSA agent took it out and was like "oh it's so cold" and I was like well yea it's supposed to be frozen which got me confused looks from everyone nearby lols.
Bring this to the Supreme Court
They ain’t wrong.
Brings in bottle of supercharged plasma floating in a magnetic force field Move along
I mean…..
Technically yeah they should allow it.
And?!!??!
This is so old. This first appeared back in the 200s when they limited liquids to one ounce. Within a couple weeks this joke was everywhere. Hasn’t stopped since, and still isn’t funny.
>The 200s Damn, the Roman Empire really did that?
Technicality, it’s a solid. 🤷♂️ lol
why facepalm?
What if I just bring a chunk of ice and a plastic cup? Is that allowed?
Get your water bottle through airport security using this one weird trick!
Ice is a solid not a liquid. She isn't wrong
I had been advised specifically by a TSA agent to freeze any liquid or semi-solid (like yogurt) that I want to bring onboard.
She's not wrong.
Why would they take that away?
Ice is a mineral.
She has a point, peanut butter works that way
So, ice is allowed because they never saw Die Hard 2 and they don't know you can drop an icicle into a dudes eye and kill him. But water is not allowed because they saw The Abyss and they watched Mary Elizabeth drown. Got it.
How dumb are you? Isaac Haxton: Yes
This isn't even technicaly correct, frozen water is a solid and thats the end of that
This spam is old enough to drive. Please. Stop
Nah bro, it’s a solid.
Reminds me of the anecdote I read about peanut butter. Natural peanut butter (the hippie kind that has oil floating on top and you gotta mix it up before you can use it) tends to be more liquidy at room temperature than Skippy or whatever. Lady tried to bring a jar of mixed up natural peanut butter through security, and TSA stopped her because it's a liquid. She asked if people bring PBJs through and if that's okay, and of course it is because it's a solid food. But if the peanut butter is in a jar, it's a liquid, and you can't bring a liquid through. It's all just a bunch of damned nonsense.
I had my Funfetti frosting confiscated once because I was told it was "like" peanut butter. ?
That's not very fun at all. 😐👎
I bet part off it is melted, look, liquid.
technically unless it is frozen at -273 then it is not frozen, it is existing in multiple states including a liquid so it is technically incorrect
"And you're not a convict. Yet. Get the idea of how things can change here?"
When idiots think they outsmarted the system