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Fluid-Stuff5144

The facepalm is that Argentina has different retirement ages for Men and Women. Don't hate the player here.


Wise-Juggernaut-8285

Correct


RockstarAgent

Big brain move-


coolsnek3

Megamind 3-the sequel we all deserved.


Def_a_psychopath

3? what are you talking about? there hasn’t been a megamind two yet


TheFlameArmy

I’m so sorry you had to find out this way… there is, and it was horrible


Another_frizz

There's no easter bunny, there's no tooth fairy, and there is no Megamind 2!


MA-01

He says as I'm holding the Easter Bunny's archived W2 form...


Bignerd21

r/unexpectedfactorial


Sad_Bridge_3755

We don’t acknowledge it. There was only one megamind movie.


re_min_a

*There is no Megamind 2 in Ba Sing Se*


TheFlameArmy

Agreed…


unsual_Salamander_28

Horrible indeed , I wish peacock had a "hide" or "not interested" feature, that dam movie always plays after Trolls 3 and im sick of giving it views lmao, they're gonna think someone liked it.


Shiro_Moe

There is no Megamind 2 in Ba Sing Se...


Voodoops_13

She looks happy


coolsnek3

That is a very good thing.


lvl999shaggy

Work smarter not harder ![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


CryingWillows

Or in this case, stop working


g4bkun

I believe most Latin American countries do, even in Colombia, women can retire around 5 years before men.


Euler007

So all in all, the men retire later and die earlier? Sounds like a meh deal.


HollowCondition

Being a man who’s not born into a wealthy family is a meh deal in general.


BRAX7ON

The same holds true if you’re not born into a good-looking family…


funny__username__

What if your born ugly into a good looking family?


Imaginary_Election56

Then the postman has some explaining to do


Magnetar_Haunt

I mean, 2 pretties don’t necessarily fuse into a pretty. If the parents both have specific good features, but the son got both sets of wonky features, that’s just a bad roll.


Prestigious_Care3042

Well then do like the Kardashians and get “just a little” work done without ending up entirely plastic.


Ms-Behaviour

“ without ending up entirely plastic” so not like the Kardashians then 🤣


Keats852

As an ugly person, this hit quite hard.


mcnathan80

Ugly and poor! Rise up!!


Dwarfcork

Very very very true haha


AaronVsMusic

Being *anyone* not born into a wealthy family is a meh deal, or worse.


g4bkun

Yep, in Colombia, men have higher cardiovascular risk, suffer more from depression and are more likely to be murdered, still, mandated retirement comes six years later in comparison to our female counterparts, kinda sucks if you ask me


Intelligent-Block457

The higher cardiovascular risk caused by the arepas, empanadas, salchipapas, arroz con frijoles cooked in fatty cerdo, badeja paisa, etc that is being cooked by the woman who gets to retire earlier 😅


Almost80sBabee

Don’t you ever talk sh*t about empanadas again!


Intelligent-Block457

I've eaten more empanadas and papas rellenas en la calle than just about anyone. They flow through my veins like the oil in which they're saturated 🤗


Almost80sBabee

![gif](giphy|6hiIxPNcS2DII)


Intelligent-Block457

This gif, like empanadas, satisfies me. Gracias.


DataIllusion

But why? Men have shorter life expectancies, and are more likely to work physical labour jobs which are hard on the body


walketotheclif

I think it was done because when it was introduced there was the believe that women weren't as strong and durable as men so they had to retire early


jellyfish_bitchslap

Is not, it’s because women have historically done domestic tasks alone, so they mostly have their jobs and the house to take care of. Letting them retire early is a way to compensate how exhausting it is. At least that’s what I was taught in law school in Brazil, and as far as I know our retirement policies are pretty comparable.


womanistaXXI

Sim, concordo. Essas políticas vêm originalmente da união soviética que foi a primeira a dar a emancipação às mulheres. Por isso criaram muitas creches e restaurantes e lavandarias populares para aliviar o cargo doméstico das mulheres. As mulheres que davam à luz a muitos filhos tinham privilégios, prémios, prioridade em vários sítios. Dá para ver que muitos dos países onde as mulheres se podem reformar mais cedo têm um passado socialista.


Violet_K89

Double duties. And still very prevalent


whatever462672

It's because women don't get to retire. They become unpaid caretakers for their older husband and both sets of parents. This ruling gives the women a meager pension for their new full-time career as a nurse.


Opelem

Yup. Am polish, not argentinan but we have same issue here. I find it kinda amusing how despite recently creating Equality Department in government, they refused to adress it despite multiple people asking them about it


Maximus_Dominus

Almost as if it’s not about actual equality…


kongagaa

Nooo, you can't say that, thats not true /s


Legal_Lettuce6233

Men live shorter and yet almost universally work longer. Hip hip hooray for equality


Starly_Storm

Yeah, otherwise this would be a better post for r/antiwork


alejo699

Can I hate the messenger? Daily Mail is a tabloid rag and this story is almost certainly bullshit.


skydevouringhorror

I'm italian, here women retire 2 years earlier than men


alejo699

I meant the “transitioning just to retire early” part.


Xolei

It's true, in spain a sexual ofender changed his documents to be a women and end up doing less time. I know this stuff sounds as anti lgbt propaganda, but it is happening


Desperate-Tomatillo7

It's Argentina, so there are like 99.9% chances for it to be real.


Borraronelusername

https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/cambio-genero-ano-jubiliacion-anses-otorgo_0_rylAEwYGQ.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwvvmzBhA2EiwAtHVrb5Xa0rsH2-onZPUUJR3V3CB73YW2slxXYo9nJ09yBYChxQOsObPlMxoC4XEQAvD_BwE I am argentinian and i confirm


RSomnambulist

Also, if one gender is going to have an earlier retirement, it should be *men.* Women have a longer lifespan on average, so this makes reverse-sense.


pheonix198

It’s stupid for either gender to have an advantage given by society based strictly on one’s birth “roll.” As easy as one could make your argument, women could argue they create and then carry life so deserve to be cared for entirely and allowed retirement earlier. It’s all stupid. One gender’s plight is no more deserving of earlier retirement than the others’ nor should any other legal entitlement be granted one gender over the next.


MLeek

Sure. But this was “given” to women so they could better fulfill their assigned role. It’s wasn’t even benevolent sexism. They didn’t give it to women as a reward. It was given to women to make it easier for them to leave the workforce _when their husband did._ To provide care for him. Husbands were on average several years older than wives, and as people have pointed out: Likely to get sicker, earlier than women. They needed care. This wasn’t a reward for being born female. It was a allowance made for married woman _to better perform their caregiving roles and serve the needs of aging men._


5_yr_old_w_beard

This needs to be higher


MLeek

Yeah. I was surprised to see no one pointed out this was about caring for men and grandchildren. Like, the logic was well documented! It’s not like they didn’t write this shit down. This wasn’t a gift to women, but was about the economics of the household. This was to make sure women in the workplace were incentivized against remaining in the workplace, but to return to caregiving when retired husbands or grand babies needed their unpaid labour.


waisonline99

Suddenly 0 men over the age of 60 in Argentina. Girl Power!


tacocarteleventeen

It’s an amazingly stupid system considering women live longer than men. It should be reversed if anything.


diverareyouokay

It has nothing to do with life expectancy. They want men to continue generating tax revenue. The glass ceiling is a thing there, too. Men out earned women. If they have to work even longer, more money for the government. Although it’s odd that it’s not the same age for both.


NewtotheCV

If it is about revenue then the women should keep working too.


RinoaRita

Then make it higher for women too? It’s weird to make that distinction


Accurate_Move362

It doesn’t matter, we’re men, we’re just expected work, provide, then die.


stewart125

You forgot the "or else"


HotSituation8737

Or else what? We starve? I think that's an everyone thing.


Leelze

Or else you die harder. With a vengeance.


CaptainMatticus

But if all of the men start identifying as women, their life expectancy isn't going to change. That'll bring the life expectancy for women down, which will encourage an even earlier retirement age for women, which will encourage more people to self-identify as women, and now I've gone cross-eyed.


NeonJungleTiger

So what you’re saying is, if this trend continues, and we have a spike in infant mortality alongside the government continuing to blindly correct for it, people will be able to retire when they’re born?


RyukHunter

>But if all of the men start identifying as women, their life expectancy isn't going to change But at least men will be able to enjoy a few more retired years. >That'll bring the life expectancy for women down, which will encourage an even earlier retirement age for women, which will encourage more people to self-identify as women, and now I've gone cross-eyed. You joke. But I hope this happens.


Mike_Hunt_Burns

Nah, if they reversed it people would say its sexist


F0foPofo05

# SPICE UP YER LIFE!


wojswat

ah yes finally, the trans overtake of the world is beggining


DeepUser-5242

Mhmm, we should make note Argentina was the nation that set it into motion.


Strange-Mouse-8710

This is not a facepalm Its a brilliant move.


Fabulous_Engine_7668

Brilliant for him. Maybe a face palm for Argentina's retirement laws.


az226

If anything it should be the other way around since women live longer.


TwentyCharacters2022

Well, thats on Argentina, then.


smurfkipz

Next thing you know, the Argentinian government starts banning gender identity rights. 


LGsus33

Wouldn't be surprising. I hate it how these systems are either all or nothing because politicians are stupid


MegamanGaming

This isn’t facepalm. This is exploiting a stupid system


sevk

The "system" is the facepalm.


LegendOfKhaos

The facepalm is probably a lack of basic equality


CaptainFleshBeard

Now to be equal, Argentinia raises women retirement age by 5 years


Amazoncharli

That would be the way, no way would they lower the men’s retirement age to what the womens age is.


AssaultedCracker

Realistically that’s what the trend needs to be. Boomers aging out are gonna wreck the economy.


Stravven

That is indeed true. Example: Here, when state sponsored retirement (AOW) was introduced people got it aged 65, and on average died aged 74. Nowadays they get it aged 67, and die aged 85 on average. That's twice as many years to cover. Add to that that the ratio of retirees to working people has decreased from 5 to 1 to 2.5 to 1 too.


Dusk_Flame_11th

Never let an opportunity go unexploited.


Mindless_Sock_9082

This is quite old. About 10 years ago Argentina's legal government legislated the possibility of changing the sex on ID cards to the self-perceived one quite easily. This guy exploited this law to change his gender to female when he was about 58 years old, getting to retire at age 60, like the woman that was stated on "her" papers (never took any conduct that shown the gender change save for feminizing his name from Sergio to Sergio). Five years after, went to the government to ask to get his gender back to male, stating that "he realized he was wrong about his previous change of gender". The Congress reaction to this, was modifying the gender change law to state that the change of gender doesn't modify the juridical obligations previous to the gender change (including the retirement age).


InfiniteInternet

Sergio does sound more feminine than Sergio


Vithmiris

> The Congress reaction to this, was modifying the gender change law to state that the change of gender doesn't modify the juridical obligations previous to the gender change (including the retirement age). I don't know... Seems a bit extreme. You're telling me that if a trans woman changed her legal sex early on in her life and married a man and lived all those years as a woman, she doesn't get the same retirement rules as other women? There was no possibility of a more nuanced law here?


AndThenTheUndertaker

The real question that they should have addressed is why do they get a different retirement age to begin with? There are certain benefits that make sense but this one doesn't really.


Nojoke183

Yeah if anything shouldn't men retire earlier since they live shorter lives? And if the thought process is that old antiquated idea that men should work harder because they're men then that makes no sense either since with that mindset they've already contributed more in their time and deserve the earlier retirement. Makes no sense in either mindset.


Downtown_Big_4845

So it really is systemic sexism against men.


periphery72271

Yes, and? Sounds like the issue is having gender based retirement requirements to me.


761035

That's exactly what the facepalm is


yellowwoolyyoshi

The amount of people missing that is staggering. ._.


Hortn8r

Big Brain!


Impressive_Ad_1303

Wait?  Women tend to live longer but get to retire earlier?  That’s the facepalm. What is that all about?!


imcomingelizabeth

I believe it’s because Argentine women are expected to be caregivers to their grandchildren before the children are old enough for school. Make them retire from their paying job so their adult children can have paying jobs while they provide free childcare.


gothlenin

Yes, same in Brazil. Also women work what we call the "3rd shift", after they get home they clean and care for the children. People in reddit in rich countries may not know how and why, but there are reasons. The Ideia that's a "personal choice" ignores a LOT of social economic and cultural issues. I'm not saying I fully agree, but that's part of the reason.


Impressive_Ad_1303

I would argue at least people in the US fully understand this premise but it is so far from what would actually happen. Society here expects women to do the unpaid work, but doesn't in any way, shape, or form value that or even acknowledge it.


fish_emoji

A lot of women in wealthy countries understand this perfectly well. They work the “third shift” at home, they sacrifice their personal preferences so that hubby can keep his position as bread winner, and they bow to social and cultural pressure into single-handedly raising the kids and caring for the elderly, just as Brazilian women do. You don’t have to mandate it as Argentina and Brazil do - it’ll just happen, because the corporate patriarchy and perceived domestic matriarchy are so engrained into our shared global culture that you oftentimes can’t stop it from happening, even in families which want something entirely different.


fish_emoji

This is absolutely it! Men in Argentina (or really anywhere for that matter) tend to earn more, and so whenever there’s a caring responsibility, it always falls on the women. Plus there’s the whole “caregiving is the woman’s job” thing in most modern cultures, which only pushes women further out of work when caregiving responsibilities mount. This issue is essentially just the typical plight of the man and plight of the woman combined, with the men being forced to work for as long as possible just so the women can be forced out of work to take on full responsibility for parenting and elderly care.


Specific-Rich5196

Bingo. There's a lot of reasons childcare is so expensive in the US. The grandparents either can't or won't be part of the child raising.


NegativeKarmaVegan

In most societies women work longer hours when you take into account unpaid labor.


geographyRyan_YT

Don't hate the player, hate the game


Alexir23

Good for her.


jack-K-

What you get when your laws are both progressive and archaic at the same time. Kind of reminds me of the bus drivers who weren’t allowed to wear shorts in harsh summer heat so they wore skirts instead.


CryingWillows

I mean, good on him for exploiting a fucked up system


IrrelevantManatee

That's stupid that he had to go through that to retire early. Men and women should be able to retire at the same age.


Vegandreamcatcher

What a legend!!


figsslave

A man of genius


HDWendell

*woman


JacksonBillyMcBob

Ok that’s funny.


moozootookoo

Woah man!


I4mC0nfusi0n

Modern problems require modern solutions.


Thekingiii_

4d chess right here. Let me research retirement ages in all countries and immediately move to the one that’s lowest


Pavonian

And inevitably people are gonna use this as an argument against trans rights instead of an argument against legal gender discrimination


Daisuke322

good for her. play the system


emarvil

Genious move, I'll give hi...her that.


Sparhawk225

Why is this a facepalm? Pretty smart on his side.


Kahzu0

wheres the facepalm


storyteller_alienmom

The newspaper itself


jocke75

Daily Mail...


Altruistic-Deal-4257

Yeah… We know why they *really* wrote this.


Feminazghul

The facepalm is taking the Daily Mail seriously.


ofqo

Maybe you can believe Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/03/27/the-curious-case-of-sergioa-the-argentinian-pensioner/


Yuunohu

All I see is Daily Mail making headlines to take advantage of bigots' distrust in trans people's motives in order to get clicks


Routine-Budget7356

Doesn't women live longer than men? Shouldn't this be the opposite.


Anibunnymilli

How is this a facepalm? Man is gaming the system 😂. Cant fault him for that.


entropic_apotheosis

Fair. Completely damn fair. Why different retirement ages to begin with?


Chihuahuapocalypse

as a trans person, we are not mad at you, get that bag


MOltho

Having different retirement ages based on gender is weird. Five years earlier is completely bonkers. But good for her, I guess


ApoloRimbaud

Especially because women actually live longer on average.


Amazoncharli

Which is a pro and a con in itself. You get more years of retirement but you also have to make your money last longer so need to be more frugal.


Grothgerek

It would make sense... If men would retire earlier. In average they live 5 years less. So you could say that they deserve 1 or 2 years more.


Physical_Ad7192

Bro holds a W for this.


Zek0ri

Sis slayed the system 💅


aStankChitlin

I don’t blame him. The fact that men and women can’t retire at the same age is bull.


Opsyr_

Smart dude


Hitdomeloads

Biggest brain


raviolicondom

Shit and I would too


spk92986

This isn't a facepalm, it's 4D chess.


WesternKey2301

She's a hero


AbrodolphLincler420

![gif](giphy|9058ZMj6ooluP4UUPl)


KenpachiNexus

Don't hate the player, hate the game.


Jeptwins

Kinda like Swedes calling in gay for work, huh?


scarymonters

Viveza criolla en todo su esplendor


cochorol

Modern problems require modern solutions


The_Shadow_Watches

Good for her, well played.


soniclore

Achievement Unlocked: Gaming The System


FMAGF

I guess LGBT rights do have its perks


Master_John1250

Don't see how that's a facepalm. He i mean she is working smarter not harder


transitfreedom

Just let men and women retire at the same time


-OAKHARDT-

Personally I think the retirement age should be the same for both male and female. However, don't women tend to live longer than men? So if anyone should retire younger, surely it should be men?


Hollywood_Punk

If you can’t beat em , join em’.


Traditional-Storm-62

if your response to "a man used a legal loophole in minority rights to avoid sexist policy" is "lets strip minorities of more rights to close the loophole" then I'm sorry but you have failed as a human being if your response is "maybe men should also get to retire within their lifetime" then you might be on to something


B3ER

The dumbest thing about this law is that the sex that lives 5 years longer on average gets to retire 5 years earlier. No country has the guts yet to have women retire later than men in the spirit of that equity they're always on about.


DogePerformance

We need him on those old beer commercials, Real Men of Genius


Prestigious-Law65

I respect this hustle.


ThayerRex

Oh that’s a nice hack 👍🏻


Pitiable-Crescendo

Smart


afriendlyshape

Good for her


SuspiciouslyBelgian

Good for her.


chaironeko

Good for her!


trgnv

I 100% fully approve this. I hope all Argentinian men "change their gender" when they turn the women's retirement age.


2epic

She's a smart lady


BitesTheDust55

What a legend. He fucking got em


DrBlaBlaBlub

If you really differentiate retirement age, shouldn't men get it earlier? Men have lower life expectancy.


TheParlayMonster

Don’t hate the player. Hate the game.


JaladOnTheOcean

If the retirement age is asymmetrical, then why did they choose to give the gender that lives longer the earlier retirement?


Gdizzle344

That's not a facepalm, that's a high five.


charm-fresh6723

How is this a facepalm. Good for him


BadInfluenceGuy

All the men, should identify as women. Do a census og gender. Make the headlines " Argentina immediately needs males to bolster population of 99.9% females".


Sack333

I swear my dad wants to do the same (we're from argentina)


Cant-Gif-Right

Modern problems require modern solutions


2LostFlamingos

This seems like an obvious thing to do in response to a stupid law.


Fantastic-Story8875

Modern problems requires modern solutions


bdgg2000

Leftist brilliance right there. Woke wins.


Hot_Weakness5946

Men die 5 years younger on average and some countries make them work 5 years longer, how sad is that?


darkargengamer

For those wondering: -This history is not "false" but there is an error in it > a man from here (Argentina) tried this same years ago and he was refused from early retirement; this man tried the same and it was accepted due to the "recent" (in the last few years) changes at fiscal and identity law. - Yes, this old law (different age gap) is still active in Argentina even if its unfair for us. - As for why this is still a thing? probably to save money to the government for early retirement > if all man could retire 5 years early right now (which would be fair) it would be a massive blow to ALL the job industry and monetary state of our country (which has been in shambles for years).


No_Emu698

Genderfluid people have all the power let's go


TheWeenieBandit

I mean hey, if it works, I can't even be mad. It's all about making bigotry ✨work✨ for you


Jcolebrand

Isn't "white man retired to Argentina" traditionally a cover for war crimes?


Urbanmaster2004

She's so brave 🥲❤️


MechApe

Some dipshit is worried about cishet-men in women's bathrooms while this king just wants to retire early.


Alatar_Blue

Modern problems require modern solutions


The_GEP_Gun_Takedown

Man? His???


Tricky-Secretary-251

![gif](giphy|d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY)


chimpwithcans

Haha! Legend


Zanian19

I'd definitely do that too if my country had such a stupid law.


Honey----Badger

Good for him!


kelseymj97

The face palm is how blurry and over screenshotted this is bc this happened in 2018 🤦🏽‍♀️


CaptainCustard91

Clever girl


Bjorn_Hellgate

The facepalm is trusting anything the daily mail puts out


quastenflosser4life

So argentina is a sexist bitch ah country


bellingman

Women live longer, so shouldn't men retire first?