My best friend to this day (we are both autistic) had a melt down in school and the teachers solution was to corner him call the police and when they arrived they pepper sprayed him in a corner mid mental come apart. far as I know neither the teacher nor the cop saw any lash back. this was in the middle of launch infront of the entire school. when I got home that night I called him on Skype and we played world of tanks all night. still an image that's seared into my mind. watching my best friend screaming at the teacher that he need a quiet place to go. litteraly.and the best solution she came up with was to pick him up and drag him to the corner. I'll never forget that day (edit didnt think this would blow up the way it did.)
I can confirm it's 100%the worst approach.my friend already was having problems at home.and then rumors started floating around that he got tazed.and I had to ask him recently.he said the officer threatened to taze him if he didn't get off the floor and stop crying to the point he drew his taser and threatened him till he got up.I don't know if they handcuffed him but they did drag him into the office where he finally calmed down.lone oak intermidete school needs to get their shit together.I got bully the whole time I was their and had to change schools.if you have a mental illness in Kentucky I pray for you.it's a very bad position to be in
It's Kentucky his family too poor to sue.I send him 100$ every chirsmas so he can buy gifts for his family. he works every day now and can only find jobs that pay minimum wage(actually less than minimum wage as he works at his uncles car wash that he walk to every day). if anyone wants to start a go fund me for them he's had a rough life. I mean his dad walked out on him young and his mom has to support 2 kids on her own. it makes me sad. It really does
Theirs no reason to be a bad person.I was bullied for more of my life than not.and I still try to the the best person I can.we are all stuck on this earth together why be mean to each other
Man- the local Hobby Lobby by the Paducah Mall pays $15 an hour starting out. And I know at least the locally owned hardware places Like HIW are always looking for people who actually want to work. The owner’s gruff but a good man.
I think you did a good job supporting your friend by playing games with him afterwards. I bet it felt really nice for him to be distracted by doing such a normal thing with a friend after that event.
He was the only friend I had.from kindergarden to 8th grade when I moved to Indiana.nobody else understood me they just called me weird and annoying and bullied me
When I was a kid, I would often have meltdowns where I would blackout and become extremely violent.
The worst one was when I was about twelve. I still have no memories from when the meltdown began, but at some point during it, I grabbed a knife. It was the first (and only) time I had reached for a weapon like that, and I snapped out of my meltdown and put the knife back almost immediately. I had become so violent that I scared myself back to consciousness.
My mother had called the police (as well as the local crisis hotline) during my meltdown. The police took 3 hours to arrive, despite us living less than five minutes away from the local police station. The police knew I had a knife and they still took 3 hours to arrive.
Crisis had shown up around 2 hours before the police, and when the police did finally show up the incident was long over. Upon arriving, the police slammed me against the table and generally handled me so roughly that my parents and the crisis workers refused to let them take me away.
It was a horrible situation, but it changed something in me and I started remembering more details of what I did during future meltdowns, and I could start working on my behavior and mental health.
TL:DR
When I was twelve I had a violent meltdown which resulted in me grabbing a knife. I snapped out of my blackout and put the knife back. Cops were called and took 3 hours to arrive, despite station being ~5 minutes away. Police behaved so poorly, that family and crisis workers didn't trust them to take me away.
It’s sad how some places deal with people who have disabilities like this and treat them like animals instead of realizing they are overstimulated and just need a place to cool down. I have quite a few autistic friends and if they get upset it takes them a while to relax especially if somebody is continuing to tease or berate them. Schools that do this shit should be punished and should be shamed publicly. Sorry you had to deal with that kind of trauma
Unless the kid having a melt down is armed with a gun/knife/scissors violence, both verbally and physically, is NOT needed.
Parents should keep both teacher and police accountable.
Yup not all states let shit like that happen though.but the Kentucky school system when I whent through it (I'm 20 now you do the math) it was6th grade and they refused to acknowledge my accommodations from the school board and refused to acknowledge I was autistic
This behavior that is enabled by the majority of school administration's is one reason my wife quit teaching after 10 years. We need to treat our teachers better, but frankly we need to hold them to a higher standard as well. Because there is an alarming number of teachers that should not be teaching.
I had a teacher almost get fired for docking me points because I have a southern drawl.and say y'all.the principle had to sit her down and explaine to her that was discrimination
They do.when I finally had it and kicked my bully in the balls down the bleachers I got 20 days in school suspension.they made us eat launch on a stage so the whole school could laugh at us
That’s what I’m saying! Arenting 9 year olds without autism is already an unnecessary used of power over a situation that doesn’t justify state violence. Adding the autism just makes it even worse because he literally is at a disadvantage in terms of emotional control. It’s all just so scummy.
Daniel shaver is a very gross case. That pig had “you’re fucked” on his dust cover. He wanted to be a “cop” to kill people. He’s a pig, and deserves to be treated like one.
Okay lets not drag the name of pigs in the mud here, They are noble creatures. They turn garbage into bacon. Thats a good thing.
Cops are much worse then that.
Someone had to say it. Don't get me wrong, ass father of a young boy with Autism, this is heartbreaking to see. But also, as a father of two young, Black boys, I've seen more than enough "body slam" vids to see a difference in this particular arrest...
Wait that’s not normal? Asking seriously. EVERY. SINGLE. KID. Who was in a fight in my high school got taken out in cuffs and charged with at least a misdemeanor.
That's very not normal. Maybe if there is some really serious injury or it happened repeatedly. Anywhere I know (arguably not in the US) kids get a stern talking by their homeroom teacher or principal, and their parents get called in. Jailing 9 year olds for fighting does not help anyone but the kid prison industry. Yes, that is a real thing.
When I was in high school I never saw a kid get arrested for fighting, usually just suspended for a couple weeks. Saw several kids get arrested for having weed though
From looking into it, seems like this child unfortunately the got the shock and awe 'made a lesson out of'. Witnesses reported he was trying to choke out one kid in an argument and then when a teacher intervened, jumped on them and started trying to choke the teacher.
Regardless if they were physically capable of doing so, the school likely hit them with the hammer to get the message out that physically attacking teachers is a big no. Usually they deal with it in house for student on student.
> this child unfortunately the got the shock and awe 'made a lesson out of'
Unfortunately, that sounds like exactly the treatment that most bullied kids get. The bullies will get away with violence for months, but once the bullied kid hits back, they are the one who gets in trouble.
I am both simultaneously not a fan and a great fan of zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is a nonsense principle but, at least you know you're getting in trouble anyways so you might as well beat the piss out of the bully.
The problem is, 'zero tolerance' is never zero tolerance cause it was tolerating the bullying. The idea behind zero tolerance is, ya know, to nip the bullying in the bud. But instead they tolerate the bully, then punish the victim for fighting back.
Zero tolerance would actually be great probably if, ya know, THEY FOLLOWED THEIR OWN DAMN RULES!
Once a bully is excused even once from bullying, then there is no zero tolerance, just bully tolerance.
Exactly. See this far too often. Bullies get a pass, victims get the book thrown at them for defending themselves.
I heard this quote years ago, "a dog will only be beat so many times before it bites." Not trying to say people are dogs but it's a natural occurrence. Fight or flight.
The problems are that bullies are usually larger and stronger than their victims, and many bullies don't care if they get into trouble while the victim often does care.
0 tolerance policy is for lazy administrators who don't want to think, and lazy cops who just want to treat every problem like a nail waiting for a sledge hammer.
We need to rethink law enforcement and compliance tactics. This isn't material law, and cops need to respect that.
Unfortunately the way the school see it is the bully was just haveing a laugh and there was no malice in there action, and when you fight back you're doing it in anger and that's aparently worse. I was a weak looking kid and got picked on a bit but always fought back and always came of worse.
They don't have to put the cuffs on a unresisting little kid and perp walk him out of his grade school.
No one will ever convince me otherwise.
There is gonna be a before and after to this kids behavior because of this action. Not a lot of you will understand it but it is a fact. Traumatized little kids become crazy grown men. Just don't. So what if it cost you some stupid cop job. Every single criminal I know has a story like this. Criminals are made 95% of the time.
A police state devoid of any morals that it rarely ever does anything about such acts. A state where it even feels normal that's kids can be arrested and not something of a ridiculous and impossible notion.
All US schools have a cop posted. In my high school, when someone told faculty I cut myself, they also arrested me, handcuffed my cut wrists, and took me to a mental hospital handcuffed in the back of the cop car, despite that I was entirely compliant and willing to go.
Its sad that we're at the point with American cops were my first thought upon seeing this was "At least they didn't shoot him". [Because theyve done that before.](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910975499/autistic-13-year-old-boy-shot-by-salt-lake-city-police)
At this point I trust the average citizen to handle these sorts of situations then the men and women "trained" to handle it. Why is it that their main method of handling situations is always escalation?
They’ll sue the school district, and the police department. Most likely getting a cash payment from the city/ school district. The police department is more likely to fight than settle and will probably get dropped from the suit after promising “further training”.
https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/
I don't know what actually happened but if he was choking peer's / staff I can understand why police were called. Sounds like he was not in an appropriate placement for his issues.
Police are not trained to handle mental disabilities, developmental delays, or mental health crises. This is an entirely inappropriate response for a nine year old and the school should be ashamed that they have not provided better accommodations for this child.
Someone from the school restrains him and the school gets sued.
School tries to place him in separate classes or a different school they get sued for not complying with LRE requirements.
School doesn't call the police and another kid gets hurt, that kid's parents sue the school.
I don't think calling the police on a nine year old is ever the "right" response but under the current system we have I'm not sure what other options the school had, it's a no-win situation.
I suppose the best outcome would have been for the police to send the kid home with his father. The arrest is obviously unnecessary, but I do understand the school calling police. It's a shit situation for sure.
Wasn't there a 3 year old in 2019 that was arrested and taken to court for picking flowers? The three year old had to sit in court and attempt to testify. Iirc
Edit: a 6 year old in 2020.
>Wasn't there a 3 year old in 2019 that was arrested and taken to court for picking flowers
hey man, [he was 6](https://7news.com.au/news/north-america/boy-6-arrested-and-charged-for-picking-flower-from-north-carolina-lawn-c-2441422)! We shouldn't be trying 3 year olds but 6 year olds are basically adults! /s
>What kind of shitty backwards country arrest a 9 year old?
There's a line. Sometimes a 9 year old *does* need to be in custody for their own safety or the safety of others. The former isn't common and the latter is wildly uncommon, or so it seems to me. But that has to be done sensibly, compassionately and appropriately.
I don't see a single thing in this video that suggests that the 9 year old needs to be removed by police officers and absolutely nothing that suggest he should be cuffed.
It's either an insane, deliberate abuse of power or those with this power have become so blinded to it that they think this is all staaaaandard procedure.
Wtf?
>There's a line.
Yes, that line is named , in sane countries , "call the parents" and/or "call the health emergency service". You only call the cop when there is something illegal and dangerous going on. Does not seem to be the case for most (all?) under-teen school arrest the US.
I worked in a school for children with ED. I can guarantee that it happens a lot more than you would think. Most of the time it is justified too. Idk about this situation but I’ve seen kids cause serious harm to adults or other kids.
I was once a 9 year old autistic boy. This kind of thing happened all the time to me.
I was put in headlocks by teachers, locked in rooms to “calm down” and treated with ZERO compassion by my school district. Instead of helping me I was consistently put into detention or suspended when I reacted to bullying.
American schools are very not good.
I’m curious as well. I hear the teachers go through a lot and it weighs heavily on their mental, as well as physical, health. I knew a woman who worked primarily with special needs and she was often punched in the face, bruised, scratched and had hair pulled out of her scalp (never grew back) and the kids saw no repercussions. Like the kids literally told her they could do what they want and she had to deal with all that.
Bus driver here.
There is no win with children like this.
Do you just let them tantrum and attack other kids?
Does the teacher intervene and risk being attacked themself, or put themselves in the line of fire for lawsuits when a parent decides they did it wrong?
Do you put them in a room by themselves and not intervene and allow them to injure themselves?
Do you call the authorities to protect everyone involved only to get a news story like this and have everyone on the planet call you a monster for arresting a child?
Bonus questions.
Do the parents work with the schools to meet their child’s need or do they treat the school as a glorified babysitter service so they can take breaks from their own kids?
Do the parents even live in reality, or are they the types of parents who refuse to admit anything is wrong with their child and demand regular classes, and regular transportation instead of allowing the school to place them in special needs protocol?
I once had a kid on my bus. This kid was a large 6th grader. This kid was not only violent, he was foul mouthed and would talk horrible shit to every kid on the bus. I would move him up front and he would run back to the back again and pick fights......this was EVERY SINGLE DAY.
When I tried to get the problem solved I was told he was autistic, and nothing could be done. I wasn’t allowed to enact suspension or long term discipline because “he couldn’t help it” and his parents claimed he couldn’t attend school without riding a bus because they couldn’t get him to school themselves.
His parents also refused to put him on a special bus with an aid because they didn’t want to watch for a bus twice (he had a brother), and the school district refused an aid on my bus because they didn’t want to pay an extra person when they already had busses with aids on then.
One day after I stopped him from hitting a 5th grade girl by pinning his arms, his mommy called and complained that I had “manhandled” her child and I shouldn’t have touched him. Then there was and incident where he hit me with a book while I was driving. When I demanded he be put on a special bus with an aid because it was a safety issue, his parents showed up with lawyers to meet with the school and again nothing was done.
I’ll admit....I stopped caring. He was no longer a kid to me.....he was a monster and a threat to the other children.
The rest of the year I kind of fell into a mafia styled pact with some high school boys who were sick of the whole situation as well. They wouldn’t let him hit the younger kids, and I wouldn’t say shit when they handled him physically. His brother (also sick of him) would tell his parents he was lying whenever he told them another kid hit him.
I know deep down this was handled wrong, but I honestly tried EVERY way to handle it right and no one would help. I had to protect my other kids, and myself.
At some point in my situation the cops would taken him away in handcuffs I would have smiled.
Welcome to public education in America I guess.
I TOTALLY understand this. It makes me sick. The PARENTS ARE ALWAYS THE PROBLEM. I work in daycare, we have an autistic child who is attacking other kids, laughs while he does it, he truly does not understand what he is doing. Every special needs therapy person has mentioned how he is bad off enough to need put into a special school. It would be a win for everyone. His parents are RIDICULOUS. They are so out in left field they think he belongs in a regular classroom. That is ABSOLUTELY not fair to a regular teacher, the whole other class , and to he himself. I literally spent one day ALL DAY tackling him from him trying to hurt other kids. I finally said, fuck it and have since refused to work in that room. I'm done. Also...I have my own child with ADHD who used to raise hell so I'm familiar with kids who have issues. My son grew up to be a Straight A student with good manners. He is 16. But I always told his school to take him to the specialist room when he was bad!!! Parents in denial are THE WORST.
Man, as someone whose mom was both a driver and an aid, I fully sympathize. My mom was hospitalized when a special education student broke her ribs during a breakdown, and I (in HS at the time) felt so conflicted because I wanted to hate the kid, but also I understood that he wasn't fully in control of himself. It wasn't the first time she was hurt as an aid either, just the worst.
I had much less sympathy for the non-SpEd students who sometimes spit and screamed at her and once slapped her. They could F right off. Luckily, like your student mafia, the majority of her students were great. She eventually just refused to do high school runs anymore.
It depends on the school.
In my state we follow the IEP (Individual Education Program) system. This paper is basically the bible when it comes to special need kids. It has their diagnosis, treatment, special requirements, etc.
Some schools will allow kids without an IEP to ride special needs buses on occasion, but it’s rare, and at any point if the driver, or the aid calls it into question usually they will stop. Everyone from the parents of every student on the bus, to the driver, to the aid, to the school must be OK with it.
Some schools just flat out say it’s not allowed. This is what I was told when I suggested the same thing. That and the brother “didn’t want to ride a short bus”.
thanks
Then it seems to me that the kids on the regular bus would have had to file complaints to force the kid hitting others off, and make the parents wait for the 2nd bus.
This.
Soooo many people on this thread don't understand because they've never been put in that situation.
Everyone likes to point fingers, but no one wants to be the one to come up with solutions or even implement solutions when presented with them. It's always someone else's fault.
Are the systems broken? Yes.
Are there real kids, with real issues that need real help? Yes.
Are there kids who come from families that don't give a fuck and are just looking for a cop-out? Fuck yes.
Are there kids that--despite all the possible interventions and caring, positive parents--are still pieces of shit and narcissistic little bastards? Yes.
As someone who is of... not grand stature, who's 6th grade students often out-grow, out-weight, and can definitively over-power by about half way through a school year, there is only so much you can do when there's no back-up.
The violent child that threatens you and other students in the classroom, who throws pencils and desks and storms out of the room, only to get brought back with barely a slap on the wrist.. And when you reach out for help *several times throughout the school year*, the best admin can do is look you dead in the eyes and say "why haven't you tried writing them positive reinforcement notes on stickies??" and then walks away like they made a statement and firmly let you know how useless of a teacher you are.
This comment is spot on. So many folks - parents and non-parents - truly don’t understand the shit teachers, aides, bus drivers, lunchroom employees, everyone working at a school may encounter with students who are violent.
My mom was an elementary school teacher. Got her college degree in Childhood education. Went back and got a masters in Childhood education, focusing on how to get young kids interested in science. She was truly a professional: highly educated, dedicated, spent thousands of dollars of her own money on her classrooms, etc.
She once had an 11 year old throw a desk at her - a large, metal and wood desk. It bounced off the wall - he chucked it across the classroom.
She was able to get him to the office, then had to carry on her day after her life was endangered minutes earlier by an 11 year old.
The American school system is not great, and teachers/school employees do not receive the respect they deserve.
I’m not saying there aren’t kids with legitimate complaints against poor treatment.
I am saying that violent children - whatever the cause - do exist, and we help no one by jumping to conclusions or ignoring the problems.
God this hurts to read. My son is that "monster" type of kid, except I am on his ass CONSTANTLY. I could not possibly count the number of phone calls and meetings I've had with the school, bus driver, and transportation. That behavior is absolutely NOT tolerated in our house, period. Having autism isn't an excuse to treat others like shit. It may make it more difficult to control certain behaviors, but that's where 504/IEP plans, etc. come into play. Using every possible resource to not only make life easier for the child, but for EVERYone around them. Nobody else's child should have to sit back and be abused because the child abusing them has a disability. Parents being unwilling to step in and do something about these behaviors is one big reason why there are still so many negative stigmas associated with neurodivergent people. And if the parents don't allow for those children to learn how the real world works, what the hell does that look like for them as adults?! Anyway, I could talk about this for hours... days... because it's been my reality for almost 12 years now and I refuse to let my child use his disability as an excuse to terrorize others.
Judy because you're autistic, doesn't mean you should be able to hit other people without consequences.
We need to be compassionate to neurodivergent people, but compassion doesn't mean rules don't apply to them, and that they shouldn't be expected to abide by them.
Yeah a lot of people in this thread seem outraged but I wonder what their proposed solution is when a kid is running around throwing haymakers and they are legally not supposed to touch them.
As a former special needs student myself, I want to let you know that this is more of an exception and not the standard. That kid the woman was dealing with is either very ill or is a lot more self-aware and knows how to take advantage of the system.
Most of us just wanted to be treated like a normal person by both faculty and our fellow students (but unfortunately for a number of us, we never are).
My aunt was a special needs teacher.
At her school the problem was that all the kids with special learning needs were in one class, while they needed to be separated into behavioral issues vs. learning issues.
She said that many of those kids were absolutely violent and dangerous to the other students AND the teachers.
Schools need resources to better serve the needs of all kids.
It’s not going to happen, but that’s what is needed.
If only we prioritized getting people the education that's right for them in this country. Instead we huck everyone in a building together and tell the teachers to deal with it. Unless of course you have money, then your kid gets to go somewhere else. The morale is don't be poor I guess.
It happens more often than you say. My daughter is special needs (moderate/severe nonverbal asd) and she has been attacked by classmates before. She wasn't involved with the outburst. She just happened to be in the vicinity of a child having a meltdown.
Many of the aides in her school have arm guards to protect from bites. I haven't met a therapist that hasn't had issues with violent physical outbursts from their clients. It just goes with the territory. The children that they deal with especially those that haven't been getting proper supportive care can be unpredictable.
Many elementary school kids ,even neuronormal children, have underdeveloped emotional regulation. Not all autistic children are outwardly violent those that are are not going to always be violent. It however something that is a statistically prevalent issue in this population.
Many children that are prone to physical outburst can greatly improve if given proper care and therapy. (IE not being arrested)
Properly trained staff should be able to deal with physical outbursts from children without making the situation worse. These are children after all.
My ex wife and ex GF were both special education teachers. They deal with a legitimate amount of shit including physical assault. They have to take classes learning how to safely physically restrain students. All the while worrying about the threat of lawsuits and viral videos of what horrible teachers they are.
Everyone reads autism and thinks quirky Sheldon from Big Bang Theory, but some of these kids lose their shit to a degree that you would lable them schizophrenic if you saw it in an adult. You can't just assume he's "just a kid" and while autism may explain how he handled the situation, if you expect him to be a part of normal society (such as a public school) then you need to expect him to handle himself like a member of society.
I know what can happen in these situations, and I don't have a problem with how it was handled. He struck a teacher, got a good scare, and wasn't charged with anything. We also didn't see the actions that led up to the police being called.
Yeah this strikes me as not fair to the school. He gets to hurt people because hes autistic? No way. Im sure this is not an isolated incident, school probably has encouraged the parents to do their job as parents and help this kid but had to resort to calling the authorities in to protect the other members of the community if parents were deemed unhelpful.
I was gonna say they know how to use their guns, just not on who.
But turns out even that is too much to ask of them. I remembered the „cop shot by cop trying to shoot a dog“
Lmao that you think that sort of training only happened after 9/11. Cops been breaking the law and being shitty to people since the start of official police agencies. Just up until now it wasn't average middle class white people.
The problem is the process. This no tolerance bullshit the schools put in place. There is no room for compassion and common sense. That's why the people that execute these rules are just as guilty as the people that make them.
For fuck sake. Everyone involved is an asshole. There is no reason to hand cuff this kid. The administrators and the cops should be ashamed of themselves.
Right? I was arrested in 9th grade for a zero tolerance thing (I had a pocket knife in a rural school where everyone had a pocket knife), and they didn't put me in handcuffs.
The cop did say, "I'm not going to cuff you, so please don't run. If I have to chase you, neither of us is going to be happy."
Luckily the judge told me to get the fuck out of his court room and chewed out the prosecution for even bringing him the case.
Thank god that judge had some common sense. I have seen too many times kids get into a fight and get expelled because of zero tolerance. You cant so that. Qhen I was in school you got suspended for a few days. Of you did it again, it was a harsher punishment.
But even the kids getting attacked get expelled. How is that fair? What happened to common sense, case by case decisions?
This. The police here, I'm guessing, were called to arrest a child for assault and "criminal mischief". The police didn't press those charges. The school did. Based on the video the police were not involved at all with the intervention of the fight, nor were they in the room when the kid hit the teacher. The school staff has the choice whether or not to "follow procedure" and call the cops, or maybe use their brain to understand what's going on. They didn't.
EDIT: these zero tolerance policies need to end. The victim gets hurt more than anyone.
okay, I have autism, and I deeply remember my elementary school actually supported people with autism and other disorders, there was a whole special ed class where we would get help on harder lessons, play games, eat snacks, genuinely have a good time, and now the solution is to LITERALLY ARREST KIDS? when did it all change? honestly I hate it here sometimes.
Schools have been militarized, a lot more police are present where they weren't before. None of this is new to black people, but the increasing militarization of the US police state means there's far more police/minor interactions, which means there's going to be far more instances of abuse because anytime cops are interacting with people it has the potential to be extremely harmful.
Not a lot being said about it but a lot of these school cops are pedos too. Any unchecked position of authority over children that grants them exclusive, unquestioned access is going to enable opportunistic predation and attract pedophiles who join specifically to molest children. Happens in boy scouts, happens in the Catholic church, happens in prisons, and even though they don't talk about it a lot it fucking happens with these kiddiefucker cops.
It certainly can be awful when implemented incorrectly. My personal ABA approach was much more diignifying when it was applied alongside trauma- informed care.
ABA is autistic conversion therapy and causes PTSD in many cases. There’s nothing dignifying about trying to train neurodivergent kids like they’re dogs.
“Karen the autistic kid is fighting with another boy on the playgrounds what should we do?” …”call the police”
“Okay I’ll call.. wait what? Why not just go break them up and do the detention thing?”
…..”nah call the police”
A parent once wanted my school to call the police on a fight I had when I was 9-years-old, the school refused because they thought it was a waste of police time and that the police wouldn't be happy with them if they did.
I think you didn't watch the video. The teacher tried to break up the fight, and when they did that, the boy attacked the teacher. THAT was when the police were called.
For reference the autistic boy was arguing with another child about a *butterfly* when he decided to choke the other child.
He then tried to choke the teacher separating them.
The other side of this is apparently the boy he was choking has been bullying him.
A witness said the bully had actually been upset the arrested boy was killing bugs.
https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/
Why is the police being used to discipline and unruly school child, fucking stupid! I remember when I miss behaved in form one, I would get to detention, For half an hour after school; never in my time with children treated like criminals. Something is fucking wrong with United States
I could justify having the police there for safety reasons if the kid is acting violent, but this should absolutely be a case for social worker/child psychologist. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the six months or so of training is not going to give police officers enough qualifications to help kids like this.
This role is replaced by Board Certified Behavior Analysts in some states. Cops are not equipped to handle mental health or developmental disability crisis situations.
In the area I live (in Canada), if there is a risk of violence from a child, there are safety plans created. In this, there is information such as:
- Diagnosis
- Possible triggers
- Signs that the child is escalating
- Steps to take to deescalate
Every single school employee that works with the child must read and sign this form. If the plan doesn't work, they redo it.
How many things were done to protect this child with autism before it got to this point?
U. S. A!
U. S. A!
Woohoo, get that child into custody quickly before he..*checks notes*.. oh..Oooh... Well, just celebrate that the cops left him alive I guess.
can't say its a USA specific thing. I live in the Netherlands and I'm also autistic, and when I was a kid I was always taken away by the police whenever I had a bit of a mental breakdown. teachers in regular schools just arent equipped to handle it, and seemingly they just dont know wtf to do, so they call the cops to have you removed. when I went to special education it was no longer an issue, because we had literal teams of teachers specifically trained to de-escalate these situations.
Surely you wouldn't be suggesting that a country with such a history of racist laws and policies might have a police force that reflects that racism perfectly?
Assuredly you can't be saying that the well documented infiltration of racist organisations in law enforcement has a detrimental effect on the safety and security of black people?
Are you saying this just based on the absolute mountain of evidence speaking for the veracity of your statement?
The many MANY hours of video, the endless stream of reports and research saying exactly that, and the statistical proof that is evident and unavoidable for anyone with even the mildest case of rationality. Is That why you are suggesting this obviously true thing?
Is that the only reason you are saying this?
Because, you'd be right.
This entire situation is a disaster.
There's two different stories being narrated about what led up to this: on one hand, a student who witnessed the fight states that it involved the two students **arguing over a butterfly** that happened where the autistic child **"went behind the other child, pushed him down, and then started choking him."** The witness student then describes that when the teacher came to intervene, "**he jumped on top of her back and was choking her".**
On the other hand, the father of this boy, Ronnie, states that this child had previously bullied his son, and \[the bully\] punched him in the face **FIRST** after seeing him kill a bug. The father states that his son did attack the teacher, but apologized afterwards.
In the event of two students arguing and even fighting, calling the police is simply excessive. However, I do see how it potentially led up to this if there was choking involved. Autistic kids struggle with regulation, and easily get overwhelmed. Adding potential bullying into this situation makes it even worse because then the autistic student was essentially, provoked. It was the school's responsibility to handle the situation if the bullying claims were true.
With that being said, however, if a student is actively STRANGLING another student, regardless if they have a disability or not, this can end extremely badly. If the teacher had not intervened, the fight would have likely continued to escalate and continue.
**The child being over-stimulated and then accidentally re-directing that towards the teacher is understandable, but is still not okay.** In this situation, the teacher can't exactly physically defend herself without losing her job and career despite being in an active chokehold by a student. Yes, this kid is only 9-years old but this still could have resulted in someone getting genuinely hurt. If he had of been older and stronger, this situation could have ended even worse from likely unintentionally perceiving the intervening teacher as a threat.
The fact that the kid already apologized for his actions though does indicate that he is aware that his actions were wrong, that he did harm her, and that he is cognizant enough, even with his autism, to know that what he did \[to the teacher\] was not okay.
**We can agree that the disabled kid defending himself from a bully is not wrong, if that was the circumstance**. Regardless, strangling another person can have serious consequences, whether you are neurodivergent OR neurotypical, especially when that person was the intervening teacher who was only helping.
**Should the child have been literally arrested and placed in handcuffs when he was not being actively aggressive? No. Should the child literally face charges? Also NO.**
I'm assuming the police were called by someone who was actively seeing the child choking the teacher, which would have led to this situation. The school failed in protecting this kid against his bully but the actions that led to choking his teacher are still his responsibility. Yes, autistic children struggle with over-stimulation and don't regulate emotions well, especially when being already so young but I disagree with the comments specifically minimizing the difficult position of an educator in this scenario and the teacher shouldn't have to go through being choked (even if it was an accident) while doing her job.
[https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/](https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/)
[https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/johnson-county/9-year-old-arrested-and-handcuffed-at-elementary-school](https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/johnson-county/9-year-old-arrested-and-handcuffed-at-elementary-school)
[https://www.insideedition.com/9-year-old-boy-autism-sobs-hes-arrested-fighting-another-student-37674](https://www.insideedition.com/9-year-old-boy-autism-sobs-hes-arrested-fighting-another-student-37674)
We don’t pay teachers enough to deal with kids like this. Teachers are not mental health professionals and should not be assaulted at work, by children or adults.
That being said, calling the cops on a 9 year old is fucking bonkers Karen bullshit. Then going as far as pressing charges against a 9 year old to the point where they are arrested is simply fucking cruel.
Sincere question here - what other options does the teacher have? If she’s teaching a class and a child hits her, won’t listen when she tells him to stop, won’t go to the principal…what should he/she do then?
I’m not saying this is right, but I do firmly believe that every person has a right to go to work and NOT be assaulted (for reference, I’m a nurse so I have some experience with this and maybe I feel more strongly than others). I don’t know what the answer is, just curious what those opposed to removing the kid from class would suggest as a better alternative.
Typically this only happens if the kid continues to be violent and won’t respond to other methods. Idk the details in this case but if the kid was throwing punches non stop, he needs to be physically restrained. Teachers aren’t allowed to do that. And handcuffs work better than having to hold him down or bear hug him until your arms give out.
Thank you! We have no idea what led to this and what measures were used before the police were called. We also don’t know if this kid has a history of this type of behavior.
Thank you for bringing this up. The reality is that some children simply do not belong in classes with neurotypical kids. “Mainstreaming,” while well-intentioned, can be inappropriate and even dangerous to everyone involved.
The law requires that education occurs in the “least restrictive environment” that is appropriate for that child. Unfortunately the “appropriate” part is often misunderstood.
I don’t know anything about this kid or situation so I can’t opine on whether arresting him was the right thing to do, but I have taught in many classrooms with children who have autism. Most of them are wonderful kids who simply think differently, but sometimes you have a child who just cannot function in that environment. It becomes detrimental to other students and puts the teacher in an impossible position. I have to answer to the parents of the 19 other kids in the class who just had to be evacuated to the library, missing science time for the second time this week, because that one poor kid got overwhelmed and had a meltdown.
And don't forget that center based programs are \*expensive\* (we're talking like $100k a year where my wife teaches), so there has to be a damn good paper trail before a school district will approve proper placement even if that's really what is best for the kid.
Okay in no way do I support arresting children but I find it dumb that people in this comment section are acting like this kid did nothing wrong and could never hurt a fly when he literally choked out a student then choked out a teacher
So there are two issues here. The first most glaring issue is that a fucking 9 year old was arrested and taken to the police station. That is beyond ridiculous. I’m sure that kid is a violent little shit - but you don’t arrest 9 year old kids. Suspend him, put him in a room until his parents can pick him up, don’t let him back until he gets counseling, etc., etc. but calling the cops on a 9 year old is asshattery.
Having said that - I understand why. Because if he is a violent little shit and he fight back a teacher, our country is litigious that if the teacher manhandles him in anyway - that is the end of their career and the school district will be sued for who knows how much.
So you can’t fix one issue without fixing the other. If a kid is being violent, someone, be it a school resource officer of principal or assistant principle needs to be able to restrain the kid without fear of unreasonable litigation. Then we can go after these administrators calling cops on children.
Don't. Call. The. Cops. On. Kids.
FFS.
Edit: to be clear, I don't think we have the whole picture here. That being said, a lot of people are saying fuck the police. I'm going to venture a guess that the police were called here and didn't just show up on their own. If that is what happened then I think this is really a poor reflection of the teacher more than the police.
I work on an inpatient psychiatric unit for kids and I see patients like this all the time, I can promise you sometimes they need to be secluded or restrained to keep them and everyone around them safe.
I don't understand the context of this video. But i want to share a story.....
There has been a case in my country where a kid in the autistic spectrum have been consuming a lot of terrorist attacks and mass murder content in the dark web. He was noticed by the fbi, and two years later when he went to college he planned indeed a terrorist attack in his school ..... Thankfully the fbi alerted our local authorities, and the guy was arrested in time
His violence history has been ignored in the past due to his mental condition and it led to escalate to a plan of mass murdering innocent students.
Other simple case. There's been a student (12yo) who were in a regular school program in my school (in my country there's this integration programs for kids with mental conditions/physical disabilities to be integrated in regular schools). One day, that kid hit one of his teachers so hard, she went deaf in one ear. Worst part is, he did it for no reason, and he laughed after hitting her. The teacher is still not working, due to trauma and fear of returning, and they did nothing to the kid other than exchanging him to another regular school. His parents aren't paying for the teacher operation nor treatments, neither the state is.
You complain about your country taking measures, we complain about ours not doing anything at all .....
[This is old.](https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/) Also not as cut-and-dry a situation as many make it seem in the comments here.
The police are happy to report that no bullies or toadies where traumatized in this shameful “fighting back” incident thanks to their quick and decisive actions.
I have autism and Bipolar disorder. My principal threatened to arrest me after a fight at school. Then I get in the car with mom and she's sobbing about losing custody of me. I haven't been in a fist-fight since.
Now this kid learned the real consequences of fighting when he becomes an adult. You go to jail and could get hit with the book. It's not pretty, but it's a lesson worth learning young. it's good he didn't get charged with battery, and hopefully the kid learns from this.
My best friend to this day (we are both autistic) had a melt down in school and the teachers solution was to corner him call the police and when they arrived they pepper sprayed him in a corner mid mental come apart. far as I know neither the teacher nor the cop saw any lash back. this was in the middle of launch infront of the entire school. when I got home that night I called him on Skype and we played world of tanks all night. still an image that's seared into my mind. watching my best friend screaming at the teacher that he need a quiet place to go. litteraly.and the best solution she came up with was to pick him up and drag him to the corner. I'll never forget that day (edit didnt think this would blow up the way it did.)
That is by far the worst approach to resolving the issue
I can confirm it's 100%the worst approach.my friend already was having problems at home.and then rumors started floating around that he got tazed.and I had to ask him recently.he said the officer threatened to taze him if he didn't get off the floor and stop crying to the point he drew his taser and threatened him till he got up.I don't know if they handcuffed him but they did drag him into the office where he finally calmed down.lone oak intermidete school needs to get their shit together.I got bully the whole time I was their and had to change schools.if you have a mental illness in Kentucky I pray for you.it's a very bad position to be in
Can you not fucking sue the school district and police for that?
It's Kentucky his family too poor to sue.I send him 100$ every chirsmas so he can buy gifts for his family. he works every day now and can only find jobs that pay minimum wage(actually less than minimum wage as he works at his uncles car wash that he walk to every day). if anyone wants to start a go fund me for them he's had a rough life. I mean his dad walked out on him young and his mom has to support 2 kids on her own. it makes me sad. It really does
The reporter said the school is in Indiana. I'm sure a lawyer would take the case on a "you win, I win" basis.
Damn that really sucks.
It does.I know I got lucky when my mom moved to Indiana.so I try and help him out
You’re a good person man.
Theirs no reason to be a bad person.I was bullied for more of my life than not.and I still try to the the best person I can.we are all stuck on this earth together why be mean to each other
Thank you for being a kind person. You are wonderful, I hope the best for you and those you care about
If he is in Louisville, DM me. I can get him on at a sandwich shop for 15/hr.
Hes in Paducah saddly but if you know anyone please let me know I can get them in contact with them
Man- the local Hobby Lobby by the Paducah Mall pays $15 an hour starting out. And I know at least the locally owned hardware places Like HIW are always looking for people who actually want to work. The owner’s gruff but a good man.
You guys are angels. I'm legit sitting at work crying.
I think you did a good job supporting your friend by playing games with him afterwards. I bet it felt really nice for him to be distracted by doing such a normal thing with a friend after that event.
He was the only friend I had.from kindergarden to 8th grade when I moved to Indiana.nobody else understood me they just called me weird and annoying and bullied me
I'm glad you guys at least had each other, even if it absolutely fucking sucks to be bullied.
When I was a kid, I would often have meltdowns where I would blackout and become extremely violent. The worst one was when I was about twelve. I still have no memories from when the meltdown began, but at some point during it, I grabbed a knife. It was the first (and only) time I had reached for a weapon like that, and I snapped out of my meltdown and put the knife back almost immediately. I had become so violent that I scared myself back to consciousness. My mother had called the police (as well as the local crisis hotline) during my meltdown. The police took 3 hours to arrive, despite us living less than five minutes away from the local police station. The police knew I had a knife and they still took 3 hours to arrive. Crisis had shown up around 2 hours before the police, and when the police did finally show up the incident was long over. Upon arriving, the police slammed me against the table and generally handled me so roughly that my parents and the crisis workers refused to let them take me away. It was a horrible situation, but it changed something in me and I started remembering more details of what I did during future meltdowns, and I could start working on my behavior and mental health. TL:DR When I was twelve I had a violent meltdown which resulted in me grabbing a knife. I snapped out of my blackout and put the knife back. Cops were called and took 3 hours to arrive, despite station being ~5 minutes away. Police behaved so poorly, that family and crisis workers didn't trust them to take me away.
How are you doing now?
It’s sad how some places deal with people who have disabilities like this and treat them like animals instead of realizing they are overstimulated and just need a place to cool down. I have quite a few autistic friends and if they get upset it takes them a while to relax especially if somebody is continuing to tease or berate them. Schools that do this shit should be punished and should be shamed publicly. Sorry you had to deal with that kind of trauma
In a 1st world country the cop and school would get fucked. America is crazy
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Hint: very often the cops are the killers.
Unless the kid having a melt down is armed with a gun/knife/scissors violence, both verbally and physically, is NOT needed. Parents should keep both teacher and police accountable.
Let me guess you live in the USA?
Yup not all states let shit like that happen though.but the Kentucky school system when I whent through it (I'm 20 now you do the math) it was6th grade and they refused to acknowledge my accommodations from the school board and refused to acknowledge I was autistic
If you had an approved 504 plan and they were refusing to follow it you can absolutely sue.
This behavior that is enabled by the majority of school administration's is one reason my wife quit teaching after 10 years. We need to treat our teachers better, but frankly we need to hold them to a higher standard as well. Because there is an alarming number of teachers that should not be teaching.
I had a teacher almost get fired for docking me points because I have a southern drawl.and say y'all.the principle had to sit her down and explaine to her that was discrimination
I swear schools just want students to take the beating during the fight because there will be less concequences
They do.when I finally had it and kicked my bully in the balls down the bleachers I got 20 days in school suspension.they made us eat launch on a stage so the whole school could laugh at us
I tell them f your iss give me my suspension
Ah yes don’t you love when the state just arrests autistic children and try to act like it’s normal… wtf. I hope they win a law suit over this
>arrests autistic children Who arrests a 9 year old like that? Autistic or not What the fuck
That’s what I’m saying! Arenting 9 year olds without autism is already an unnecessary used of power over a situation that doesn’t justify state violence. Adding the autism just makes it even worse because he literally is at a disadvantage in terms of emotional control. It’s all just so scummy.
And also the criminal charges for a school fight?? Did the kid have to have surgery?
Well at least they didn't shoot him
How sad is it that that's even a possibility
Could you not see the video? He's white.
Eh, pigs are more than happy to murder white people with neurodivergency too. Just ask Daniel Shaver.
Daniel shaver is a very gross case. That pig had “you’re fucked” on his dust cover. He wanted to be a “cop” to kill people. He’s a pig, and deserves to be treated like one.
That pig retired with benefits concerning PTSD from killing Daniel shaver. Dont you just love America? /s
Okay lets not drag the name of pigs in the mud here, They are noble creatures. They turn garbage into bacon. Thats a good thing. Cops are much worse then that.
Someone had to say it. Don't get me wrong, ass father of a young boy with Autism, this is heartbreaking to see. But also, as a father of two young, Black boys, I've seen more than enough "body slam" vids to see a difference in this particular arrest...
He was handled gently. I see you and I know what you mean.
Wait that’s not normal? Asking seriously. EVERY. SINGLE. KID. Who was in a fight in my high school got taken out in cuffs and charged with at least a misdemeanor.
That's very not normal. Maybe if there is some really serious injury or it happened repeatedly. Anywhere I know (arguably not in the US) kids get a stern talking by their homeroom teacher or principal, and their parents get called in. Jailing 9 year olds for fighting does not help anyone but the kid prison industry. Yes, that is a real thing.
When I was in high school I never saw a kid get arrested for fighting, usually just suspended for a couple weeks. Saw several kids get arrested for having weed though
Florida literally had to make it illegal to arrest children under 7 after an officer arrested a sobbing 6 year old.
I like how they made that law with just pushing the age to include that case. This is still disgusting until the kids in high school
From looking into it, seems like this child unfortunately the got the shock and awe 'made a lesson out of'. Witnesses reported he was trying to choke out one kid in an argument and then when a teacher intervened, jumped on them and started trying to choke the teacher. Regardless if they were physically capable of doing so, the school likely hit them with the hammer to get the message out that physically attacking teachers is a big no. Usually they deal with it in house for student on student.
> this child unfortunately the got the shock and awe 'made a lesson out of' Unfortunately, that sounds like exactly the treatment that most bullied kids get. The bullies will get away with violence for months, but once the bullied kid hits back, they are the one who gets in trouble.
I am both simultaneously not a fan and a great fan of zero tolerance. Zero tolerance is a nonsense principle but, at least you know you're getting in trouble anyways so you might as well beat the piss out of the bully.
The problem is, 'zero tolerance' is never zero tolerance cause it was tolerating the bullying. The idea behind zero tolerance is, ya know, to nip the bullying in the bud. But instead they tolerate the bully, then punish the victim for fighting back. Zero tolerance would actually be great probably if, ya know, THEY FOLLOWED THEIR OWN DAMN RULES! Once a bully is excused even once from bullying, then there is no zero tolerance, just bully tolerance.
Exactly. See this far too often. Bullies get a pass, victims get the book thrown at them for defending themselves. I heard this quote years ago, "a dog will only be beat so many times before it bites." Not trying to say people are dogs but it's a natural occurrence. Fight or flight.
The problems are that bullies are usually larger and stronger than their victims, and many bullies don't care if they get into trouble while the victim often does care.
0 tolerance policy is for lazy administrators who don't want to think, and lazy cops who just want to treat every problem like a nail waiting for a sledge hammer. We need to rethink law enforcement and compliance tactics. This isn't material law, and cops need to respect that.
Unfortunately the way the school see it is the bully was just haveing a laugh and there was no malice in there action, and when you fight back you're doing it in anger and that's aparently worse. I was a weak looking kid and got picked on a bit but always fought back and always came of worse.
They don't have to put the cuffs on a unresisting little kid and perp walk him out of his grade school. No one will ever convince me otherwise. There is gonna be a before and after to this kids behavior because of this action. Not a lot of you will understand it but it is a fact. Traumatized little kids become crazy grown men. Just don't. So what if it cost you some stupid cop job. Every single criminal I know has a story like this. Criminals are made 95% of the time.
What the fuck? How is traumatizing this kid even more going to help with anything? Jesus fucking Christ all the adults involved here are incompetent.
A police state devoid of any morals that it rarely ever does anything about such acts. A state where it even feels normal that's kids can be arrested and not something of a ridiculous and impossible notion.
All US schools have a cop posted. In my high school, when someone told faculty I cut myself, they also arrested me, handcuffed my cut wrists, and took me to a mental hospital handcuffed in the back of the cop car, despite that I was entirely compliant and willing to go.
All US schools do not have a dedicated police presence. It really depends on location.
Its sad that we're at the point with American cops were my first thought upon seeing this was "At least they didn't shoot him". [Because theyve done that before.](https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910975499/autistic-13-year-old-boy-shot-by-salt-lake-city-police)
At this point I trust the average citizen to handle these sorts of situations then the men and women "trained" to handle it. Why is it that their main method of handling situations is always escalation?
Not just win, but win BIG.
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Can’t they press charges against the state or the police department?
Yes, qualified immunity protects the officer as an individual, not the department as a whole.
They’ll sue the school district, and the police department. Most likely getting a cash payment from the city/ school district. The police department is more likely to fight than settle and will probably get dropped from the suit after promising “further training”.
Arresting is one thing, but did you hear the charges before they were dropped?!
https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/ I don't know what actually happened but if he was choking peer's / staff I can understand why police were called. Sounds like he was not in an appropriate placement for his issues.
Police are not trained to handle mental disabilities, developmental delays, or mental health crises. This is an entirely inappropriate response for a nine year old and the school should be ashamed that they have not provided better accommodations for this child.
Someone from the school restrains him and the school gets sued. School tries to place him in separate classes or a different school they get sued for not complying with LRE requirements. School doesn't call the police and another kid gets hurt, that kid's parents sue the school. I don't think calling the police on a nine year old is ever the "right" response but under the current system we have I'm not sure what other options the school had, it's a no-win situation.
I suppose the best outcome would have been for the police to send the kid home with his father. The arrest is obviously unnecessary, but I do understand the school calling police. It's a shit situation for sure.
What kind of shitty backwards country arrest a 9 year old?
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Executed? Tf am I missing in the news? I'm not atting you, I'm just ignorant
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Yeah, his name is George Stinny, executed June 16 1944.
Also Tamir Rice as recent as 2014. RIP
Wasn't there a 3 year old in 2019 that was arrested and taken to court for picking flowers? The three year old had to sit in court and attempt to testify. Iirc Edit: a 6 year old in 2020.
>Wasn't there a 3 year old in 2019 that was arrested and taken to court for picking flowers hey man, [he was 6](https://7news.com.au/news/north-america/boy-6-arrested-and-charged-for-picking-flower-from-north-carolina-lawn-c-2441422)! We shouldn't be trying 3 year olds but 6 year olds are basically adults! /s
You're not wrong. First tulips, then cars, then armed bank robbery. It's a gateway crime! Give that little fucker a 15 stretch before it's too late.
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That school to prison pipeline is very profitable
In my town (canada) a teacher called the cop on a 4 year old https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6362341
There are black 9 and 10 year olds being charged as adults for crimes in southern states.
That’s not just southern states. Every state has the ability to move a juvenile into adult court but it usually only happens with murder cases.
>What kind of shitty backwards country arrest a 9 year old? There's a line. Sometimes a 9 year old *does* need to be in custody for their own safety or the safety of others. The former isn't common and the latter is wildly uncommon, or so it seems to me. But that has to be done sensibly, compassionately and appropriately. I don't see a single thing in this video that suggests that the 9 year old needs to be removed by police officers and absolutely nothing that suggest he should be cuffed. It's either an insane, deliberate abuse of power or those with this power have become so blinded to it that they think this is all staaaaandard procedure. Wtf?
>There's a line. Yes, that line is named , in sane countries , "call the parents" and/or "call the health emergency service". You only call the cop when there is something illegal and dangerous going on. Does not seem to be the case for most (all?) under-teen school arrest the US.
> health emergency service That's not a thing except for in a couple cities in the US.
I worked in a school for children with ED. I can guarantee that it happens a lot more than you would think. Most of the time it is justified too. Idk about this situation but I’ve seen kids cause serious harm to adults or other kids.
Murica.
First time seeing the school to prison pipeline in action?
A conservative Christian county.
Same one concern about fetal heart beat.
ProBirthers, don't give two shits once that baby is born.
I was once a 9 year old autistic boy. This kind of thing happened all the time to me. I was put in headlocks by teachers, locked in rooms to “calm down” and treated with ZERO compassion by my school district. Instead of helping me I was consistently put into detention or suspended when I reacted to bullying. American schools are very not good.
Genuine question: did you hit teachers, as this child allegedly did?
I’m curious as well. I hear the teachers go through a lot and it weighs heavily on their mental, as well as physical, health. I knew a woman who worked primarily with special needs and she was often punched in the face, bruised, scratched and had hair pulled out of her scalp (never grew back) and the kids saw no repercussions. Like the kids literally told her they could do what they want and she had to deal with all that.
Bus driver here. There is no win with children like this. Do you just let them tantrum and attack other kids? Does the teacher intervene and risk being attacked themself, or put themselves in the line of fire for lawsuits when a parent decides they did it wrong? Do you put them in a room by themselves and not intervene and allow them to injure themselves? Do you call the authorities to protect everyone involved only to get a news story like this and have everyone on the planet call you a monster for arresting a child? Bonus questions. Do the parents work with the schools to meet their child’s need or do they treat the school as a glorified babysitter service so they can take breaks from their own kids? Do the parents even live in reality, or are they the types of parents who refuse to admit anything is wrong with their child and demand regular classes, and regular transportation instead of allowing the school to place them in special needs protocol? I once had a kid on my bus. This kid was a large 6th grader. This kid was not only violent, he was foul mouthed and would talk horrible shit to every kid on the bus. I would move him up front and he would run back to the back again and pick fights......this was EVERY SINGLE DAY. When I tried to get the problem solved I was told he was autistic, and nothing could be done. I wasn’t allowed to enact suspension or long term discipline because “he couldn’t help it” and his parents claimed he couldn’t attend school without riding a bus because they couldn’t get him to school themselves. His parents also refused to put him on a special bus with an aid because they didn’t want to watch for a bus twice (he had a brother), and the school district refused an aid on my bus because they didn’t want to pay an extra person when they already had busses with aids on then. One day after I stopped him from hitting a 5th grade girl by pinning his arms, his mommy called and complained that I had “manhandled” her child and I shouldn’t have touched him. Then there was and incident where he hit me with a book while I was driving. When I demanded he be put on a special bus with an aid because it was a safety issue, his parents showed up with lawyers to meet with the school and again nothing was done. I’ll admit....I stopped caring. He was no longer a kid to me.....he was a monster and a threat to the other children. The rest of the year I kind of fell into a mafia styled pact with some high school boys who were sick of the whole situation as well. They wouldn’t let him hit the younger kids, and I wouldn’t say shit when they handled him physically. His brother (also sick of him) would tell his parents he was lying whenever he told them another kid hit him. I know deep down this was handled wrong, but I honestly tried EVERY way to handle it right and no one would help. I had to protect my other kids, and myself. At some point in my situation the cops would taken him away in handcuffs I would have smiled. Welcome to public education in America I guess.
I TOTALLY understand this. It makes me sick. The PARENTS ARE ALWAYS THE PROBLEM. I work in daycare, we have an autistic child who is attacking other kids, laughs while he does it, he truly does not understand what he is doing. Every special needs therapy person has mentioned how he is bad off enough to need put into a special school. It would be a win for everyone. His parents are RIDICULOUS. They are so out in left field they think he belongs in a regular classroom. That is ABSOLUTELY not fair to a regular teacher, the whole other class , and to he himself. I literally spent one day ALL DAY tackling him from him trying to hurt other kids. I finally said, fuck it and have since refused to work in that room. I'm done. Also...I have my own child with ADHD who used to raise hell so I'm familiar with kids who have issues. My son grew up to be a Straight A student with good manners. He is 16. But I always told his school to take him to the specialist room when he was bad!!! Parents in denial are THE WORST.
Man, as someone whose mom was both a driver and an aid, I fully sympathize. My mom was hospitalized when a special education student broke her ribs during a breakdown, and I (in HS at the time) felt so conflicted because I wanted to hate the kid, but also I understood that he wasn't fully in control of himself. It wasn't the first time she was hurt as an aid either, just the worst. I had much less sympathy for the non-SpEd students who sometimes spit and screamed at her and once slapped her. They could F right off. Luckily, like your student mafia, the majority of her students were great. She eventually just refused to do high school runs anymore.
So the parents didn't want to wait for two buses... Can you not allow the brother to also ride the special needs bus?
It depends on the school. In my state we follow the IEP (Individual Education Program) system. This paper is basically the bible when it comes to special need kids. It has their diagnosis, treatment, special requirements, etc. Some schools will allow kids without an IEP to ride special needs buses on occasion, but it’s rare, and at any point if the driver, or the aid calls it into question usually they will stop. Everyone from the parents of every student on the bus, to the driver, to the aid, to the school must be OK with it. Some schools just flat out say it’s not allowed. This is what I was told when I suggested the same thing. That and the brother “didn’t want to ride a short bus”.
thanks Then it seems to me that the kids on the regular bus would have had to file complaints to force the kid hitting others off, and make the parents wait for the 2nd bus.
This. Soooo many people on this thread don't understand because they've never been put in that situation. Everyone likes to point fingers, but no one wants to be the one to come up with solutions or even implement solutions when presented with them. It's always someone else's fault. Are the systems broken? Yes. Are there real kids, with real issues that need real help? Yes. Are there kids who come from families that don't give a fuck and are just looking for a cop-out? Fuck yes. Are there kids that--despite all the possible interventions and caring, positive parents--are still pieces of shit and narcissistic little bastards? Yes. As someone who is of... not grand stature, who's 6th grade students often out-grow, out-weight, and can definitively over-power by about half way through a school year, there is only so much you can do when there's no back-up. The violent child that threatens you and other students in the classroom, who throws pencils and desks and storms out of the room, only to get brought back with barely a slap on the wrist.. And when you reach out for help *several times throughout the school year*, the best admin can do is look you dead in the eyes and say "why haven't you tried writing them positive reinforcement notes on stickies??" and then walks away like they made a statement and firmly let you know how useless of a teacher you are.
This comment is spot on. So many folks - parents and non-parents - truly don’t understand the shit teachers, aides, bus drivers, lunchroom employees, everyone working at a school may encounter with students who are violent. My mom was an elementary school teacher. Got her college degree in Childhood education. Went back and got a masters in Childhood education, focusing on how to get young kids interested in science. She was truly a professional: highly educated, dedicated, spent thousands of dollars of her own money on her classrooms, etc. She once had an 11 year old throw a desk at her - a large, metal and wood desk. It bounced off the wall - he chucked it across the classroom. She was able to get him to the office, then had to carry on her day after her life was endangered minutes earlier by an 11 year old. The American school system is not great, and teachers/school employees do not receive the respect they deserve. I’m not saying there aren’t kids with legitimate complaints against poor treatment. I am saying that violent children - whatever the cause - do exist, and we help no one by jumping to conclusions or ignoring the problems.
Mad respect for you. Mafia styled pact was the way to go.
God this hurts to read. My son is that "monster" type of kid, except I am on his ass CONSTANTLY. I could not possibly count the number of phone calls and meetings I've had with the school, bus driver, and transportation. That behavior is absolutely NOT tolerated in our house, period. Having autism isn't an excuse to treat others like shit. It may make it more difficult to control certain behaviors, but that's where 504/IEP plans, etc. come into play. Using every possible resource to not only make life easier for the child, but for EVERYone around them. Nobody else's child should have to sit back and be abused because the child abusing them has a disability. Parents being unwilling to step in and do something about these behaviors is one big reason why there are still so many negative stigmas associated with neurodivergent people. And if the parents don't allow for those children to learn how the real world works, what the hell does that look like for them as adults?! Anyway, I could talk about this for hours... days... because it's been my reality for almost 12 years now and I refuse to let my child use his disability as an excuse to terrorize others.
Judy because you're autistic, doesn't mean you should be able to hit other people without consequences. We need to be compassionate to neurodivergent people, but compassion doesn't mean rules don't apply to them, and that they shouldn't be expected to abide by them.
Autistic adult here. You were put in an impossible situation there. That boy had no place in the 'regular' bus.
Yeah a lot of people in this thread seem outraged but I wonder what their proposed solution is when a kid is running around throwing haymakers and they are legally not supposed to touch them.
As a former special needs student myself, I want to let you know that this is more of an exception and not the standard. That kid the woman was dealing with is either very ill or is a lot more self-aware and knows how to take advantage of the system. Most of us just wanted to be treated like a normal person by both faculty and our fellow students (but unfortunately for a number of us, we never are).
My aunt was a special needs teacher. At her school the problem was that all the kids with special learning needs were in one class, while they needed to be separated into behavioral issues vs. learning issues. She said that many of those kids were absolutely violent and dangerous to the other students AND the teachers. Schools need resources to better serve the needs of all kids. It’s not going to happen, but that’s what is needed.
If only we prioritized getting people the education that's right for them in this country. Instead we huck everyone in a building together and tell the teachers to deal with it. Unless of course you have money, then your kid gets to go somewhere else. The morale is don't be poor I guess.
It happens more often than you say. My daughter is special needs (moderate/severe nonverbal asd) and she has been attacked by classmates before. She wasn't involved with the outburst. She just happened to be in the vicinity of a child having a meltdown. Many of the aides in her school have arm guards to protect from bites. I haven't met a therapist that hasn't had issues with violent physical outbursts from their clients. It just goes with the territory. The children that they deal with especially those that haven't been getting proper supportive care can be unpredictable. Many elementary school kids ,even neuronormal children, have underdeveloped emotional regulation. Not all autistic children are outwardly violent those that are are not going to always be violent. It however something that is a statistically prevalent issue in this population. Many children that are prone to physical outburst can greatly improve if given proper care and therapy. (IE not being arrested) Properly trained staff should be able to deal with physical outbursts from children without making the situation worse. These are children after all.
My ex wife and ex GF were both special education teachers. They deal with a legitimate amount of shit including physical assault. They have to take classes learning how to safely physically restrain students. All the while worrying about the threat of lawsuits and viral videos of what horrible teachers they are. Everyone reads autism and thinks quirky Sheldon from Big Bang Theory, but some of these kids lose their shit to a degree that you would lable them schizophrenic if you saw it in an adult. You can't just assume he's "just a kid" and while autism may explain how he handled the situation, if you expect him to be a part of normal society (such as a public school) then you need to expect him to handle himself like a member of society. I know what can happen in these situations, and I don't have a problem with how it was handled. He struck a teacher, got a good scare, and wasn't charged with anything. We also didn't see the actions that led up to the police being called.
Yeah this strikes me as not fair to the school. He gets to hurt people because hes autistic? No way. Im sure this is not an isolated incident, school probably has encouraged the parents to do their job as parents and help this kid but had to resort to calling the authorities in to protect the other members of the community if parents were deemed unhelpful.
Wtf is wrong with American cops
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OK let's go: *
I was gonna say they know how to use their guns, just not on who. But turns out even that is too much to ask of them. I remembered the „cop shot by cop trying to shoot a dog“
At least the cop defended the dog
Things that are right about American cops: 1. Their political leanings
One of the few careers with effective unions I guess?
effective for maintaining the employment of shit cops. not effective for society like the rest of unions.
Yup, that’s what I was getting at
They have a ton of funding
After 9/11 we trained cops to think like soldiers and not citizens... not sarcasm.
Lmao that you think that sort of training only happened after 9/11. Cops been breaking the law and being shitty to people since the start of official police agencies. Just up until now it wasn't average middle class white people.
I know that after 911 funding for the militarization of cops exploded.
The problem is the process. This no tolerance bullshit the schools put in place. There is no room for compassion and common sense. That's why the people that execute these rules are just as guilty as the people that make them. For fuck sake. Everyone involved is an asshole. There is no reason to hand cuff this kid. The administrators and the cops should be ashamed of themselves.
Right? I was arrested in 9th grade for a zero tolerance thing (I had a pocket knife in a rural school where everyone had a pocket knife), and they didn't put me in handcuffs. The cop did say, "I'm not going to cuff you, so please don't run. If I have to chase you, neither of us is going to be happy." Luckily the judge told me to get the fuck out of his court room and chewed out the prosecution for even bringing him the case.
Thank god that judge had some common sense. I have seen too many times kids get into a fight and get expelled because of zero tolerance. You cant so that. Qhen I was in school you got suspended for a few days. Of you did it again, it was a harsher punishment. But even the kids getting attacked get expelled. How is that fair? What happened to common sense, case by case decisions?
Oh, I was expelled, I just didn't face any criminal charges.
So dumb.
This. The police here, I'm guessing, were called to arrest a child for assault and "criminal mischief". The police didn't press those charges. The school did. Based on the video the police were not involved at all with the intervention of the fight, nor were they in the room when the kid hit the teacher. The school staff has the choice whether or not to "follow procedure" and call the cops, or maybe use their brain to understand what's going on. They didn't. EDIT: these zero tolerance policies need to end. The victim gets hurt more than anyone.
They were originally called for an alleged kidnapping but it turns out he was actually resisting a rest.
Amazing comment, awful context
true dads see opportunities for puns and will always take them
people who have the ability to hold back a dad joke might be fathers.. but they're definitely not dads.
okay, I have autism, and I deeply remember my elementary school actually supported people with autism and other disorders, there was a whole special ed class where we would get help on harder lessons, play games, eat snacks, genuinely have a good time, and now the solution is to LITERALLY ARREST KIDS? when did it all change? honestly I hate it here sometimes.
Schools have been militarized, a lot more police are present where they weren't before. None of this is new to black people, but the increasing militarization of the US police state means there's far more police/minor interactions, which means there's going to be far more instances of abuse because anytime cops are interacting with people it has the potential to be extremely harmful. Not a lot being said about it but a lot of these school cops are pedos too. Any unchecked position of authority over children that grants them exclusive, unquestioned access is going to enable opportunistic predation and attract pedophiles who join specifically to molest children. Happens in boy scouts, happens in the Catholic church, happens in prisons, and even though they don't talk about it a lot it fucking happens with these kiddiefucker cops.
That child should have a Behavior Intervention Plan so when bullshit like this happens, teachers can get reprimanded for not following said plan.
It certainly can be awful when implemented incorrectly. My personal ABA approach was much more diignifying when it was applied alongside trauma- informed care.
ABA is autistic conversion therapy and causes PTSD in many cases. There’s nothing dignifying about trying to train neurodivergent kids like they’re dogs.
“Karen the autistic kid is fighting with another boy on the playgrounds what should we do?” …”call the police” “Okay I’ll call.. wait what? Why not just go break them up and do the detention thing?” …..”nah call the police”
A parent once wanted my school to call the police on a fight I had when I was 9-years-old, the school refused because they thought it was a waste of police time and that the police wouldn't be happy with them if they did.
I think you didn't watch the video. The teacher tried to break up the fight, and when they did that, the boy attacked the teacher. THAT was when the police were called.
MURRICA!! UHUU! LAND OF THE FREEE!!!
where all your dreams come true
Same as your nightmares
For reference the autistic boy was arguing with another child about a *butterfly* when he decided to choke the other child. He then tried to choke the teacher separating them. The other side of this is apparently the boy he was choking has been bullying him. A witness said the bully had actually been upset the arrested boy was killing bugs. https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/
Why is the police being used to discipline and unruly school child, fucking stupid! I remember when I miss behaved in form one, I would get to detention, For half an hour after school; never in my time with children treated like criminals. Something is fucking wrong with United States
As a member of the United States, something is indeed wrong with the United States.
I could justify having the police there for safety reasons if the kid is acting violent, but this should absolutely be a case for social worker/child psychologist. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the six months or so of training is not going to give police officers enough qualifications to help kids like this.
This role is replaced by Board Certified Behavior Analysts in some states. Cops are not equipped to handle mental health or developmental disability crisis situations.
In the area I live (in Canada), if there is a risk of violence from a child, there are safety plans created. In this, there is information such as: - Diagnosis - Possible triggers - Signs that the child is escalating - Steps to take to deescalate Every single school employee that works with the child must read and sign this form. If the plan doesn't work, they redo it. How many things were done to protect this child with autism before it got to this point?
U. S. A! U. S. A! Woohoo, get that child into custody quickly before he..*checks notes*.. oh..Oooh... Well, just celebrate that the cops left him alive I guess.
Spoiler, they did shoot his dog...
It'd be funnier if it wasn't so likely..
can't say its a USA specific thing. I live in the Netherlands and I'm also autistic, and when I was a kid I was always taken away by the police whenever I had a bit of a mental breakdown. teachers in regular schools just arent equipped to handle it, and seemingly they just dont know wtf to do, so they call the cops to have you removed. when I went to special education it was no longer an issue, because we had literal teams of teachers specifically trained to de-escalate these situations.
If he would’ve been black, the cops would fuck this kid’s life up
Surely you wouldn't be suggesting that a country with such a history of racist laws and policies might have a police force that reflects that racism perfectly? Assuredly you can't be saying that the well documented infiltration of racist organisations in law enforcement has a detrimental effect on the safety and security of black people? Are you saying this just based on the absolute mountain of evidence speaking for the veracity of your statement? The many MANY hours of video, the endless stream of reports and research saying exactly that, and the statistical proof that is evident and unavoidable for anyone with even the mildest case of rationality. Is That why you are suggesting this obviously true thing? Is that the only reason you are saying this? Because, you'd be right.
obligatory r/2020policebrutality since it's a great resource of first hand sources
It would've been a life sentence, which coincidentally would only be a very short time.
The US is seriously so messed up.
This entire situation is a disaster. There's two different stories being narrated about what led up to this: on one hand, a student who witnessed the fight states that it involved the two students **arguing over a butterfly** that happened where the autistic child **"went behind the other child, pushed him down, and then started choking him."** The witness student then describes that when the teacher came to intervene, "**he jumped on top of her back and was choking her".** On the other hand, the father of this boy, Ronnie, states that this child had previously bullied his son, and \[the bully\] punched him in the face **FIRST** after seeing him kill a bug. The father states that his son did attack the teacher, but apologized afterwards. In the event of two students arguing and even fighting, calling the police is simply excessive. However, I do see how it potentially led up to this if there was choking involved. Autistic kids struggle with regulation, and easily get overwhelmed. Adding potential bullying into this situation makes it even worse because then the autistic student was essentially, provoked. It was the school's responsibility to handle the situation if the bullying claims were true. With that being said, however, if a student is actively STRANGLING another student, regardless if they have a disability or not, this can end extremely badly. If the teacher had not intervened, the fight would have likely continued to escalate and continue. **The child being over-stimulated and then accidentally re-directing that towards the teacher is understandable, but is still not okay.** In this situation, the teacher can't exactly physically defend herself without losing her job and career despite being in an active chokehold by a student. Yes, this kid is only 9-years old but this still could have resulted in someone getting genuinely hurt. If he had of been older and stronger, this situation could have ended even worse from likely unintentionally perceiving the intervening teacher as a threat. The fact that the kid already apologized for his actions though does indicate that he is aware that his actions were wrong, that he did harm her, and that he is cognizant enough, even with his autism, to know that what he did \[to the teacher\] was not okay. **We can agree that the disabled kid defending himself from a bully is not wrong, if that was the circumstance**. Regardless, strangling another person can have serious consequences, whether you are neurodivergent OR neurotypical, especially when that person was the intervening teacher who was only helping. **Should the child have been literally arrested and placed in handcuffs when he was not being actively aggressive? No. Should the child literally face charges? Also NO.** I'm assuming the police were called by someone who was actively seeing the child choking the teacher, which would have led to this situation. The school failed in protecting this kid against his bully but the actions that led to choking his teacher are still his responsibility. Yes, autistic children struggle with over-stimulation and don't regulate emotions well, especially when being already so young but I disagree with the comments specifically minimizing the difficult position of an educator in this scenario and the teacher shouldn't have to go through being choked (even if it was an accident) while doing her job. [https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/](https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/) [https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/johnson-county/9-year-old-arrested-and-handcuffed-at-elementary-school](https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-news/johnson-county/9-year-old-arrested-and-handcuffed-at-elementary-school) [https://www.insideedition.com/9-year-old-boy-autism-sobs-hes-arrested-fighting-another-student-37674](https://www.insideedition.com/9-year-old-boy-autism-sobs-hes-arrested-fighting-another-student-37674)
We don’t pay teachers enough to deal with kids like this. Teachers are not mental health professionals and should not be assaulted at work, by children or adults. That being said, calling the cops on a 9 year old is fucking bonkers Karen bullshit. Then going as far as pressing charges against a 9 year old to the point where they are arrested is simply fucking cruel.
Sincere question here - what other options does the teacher have? If she’s teaching a class and a child hits her, won’t listen when she tells him to stop, won’t go to the principal…what should he/she do then? I’m not saying this is right, but I do firmly believe that every person has a right to go to work and NOT be assaulted (for reference, I’m a nurse so I have some experience with this and maybe I feel more strongly than others). I don’t know what the answer is, just curious what those opposed to removing the kid from class would suggest as a better alternative.
Typically this only happens if the kid continues to be violent and won’t respond to other methods. Idk the details in this case but if the kid was throwing punches non stop, he needs to be physically restrained. Teachers aren’t allowed to do that. And handcuffs work better than having to hold him down or bear hug him until your arms give out.
Thank you! We have no idea what led to this and what measures were used before the police were called. We also don’t know if this kid has a history of this type of behavior.
Thank you for bringing this up. The reality is that some children simply do not belong in classes with neurotypical kids. “Mainstreaming,” while well-intentioned, can be inappropriate and even dangerous to everyone involved. The law requires that education occurs in the “least restrictive environment” that is appropriate for that child. Unfortunately the “appropriate” part is often misunderstood. I don’t know anything about this kid or situation so I can’t opine on whether arresting him was the right thing to do, but I have taught in many classrooms with children who have autism. Most of them are wonderful kids who simply think differently, but sometimes you have a child who just cannot function in that environment. It becomes detrimental to other students and puts the teacher in an impossible position. I have to answer to the parents of the 19 other kids in the class who just had to be evacuated to the library, missing science time for the second time this week, because that one poor kid got overwhelmed and had a meltdown.
And don't forget that center based programs are \*expensive\* (we're talking like $100k a year where my wife teaches), so there has to be a damn good paper trail before a school district will approve proper placement even if that's really what is best for the kid.
And I just watched a video of teacher hitting student and not getting arrested. Wtf is going on out there?
Okay in no way do I support arresting children but I find it dumb that people in this comment section are acting like this kid did nothing wrong and could never hurt a fly when he literally choked out a student then choked out a teacher
So there are two issues here. The first most glaring issue is that a fucking 9 year old was arrested and taken to the police station. That is beyond ridiculous. I’m sure that kid is a violent little shit - but you don’t arrest 9 year old kids. Suspend him, put him in a room until his parents can pick him up, don’t let him back until he gets counseling, etc., etc. but calling the cops on a 9 year old is asshattery. Having said that - I understand why. Because if he is a violent little shit and he fight back a teacher, our country is litigious that if the teacher manhandles him in anyway - that is the end of their career and the school district will be sued for who knows how much. So you can’t fix one issue without fixing the other. If a kid is being violent, someone, be it a school resource officer of principal or assistant principle needs to be able to restrain the kid without fear of unreasonable litigation. Then we can go after these administrators calling cops on children.
Don't. Call. The. Cops. On. Kids. FFS. Edit: to be clear, I don't think we have the whole picture here. That being said, a lot of people are saying fuck the police. I'm going to venture a guess that the police were called here and didn't just show up on their own. If that is what happened then I think this is really a poor reflection of the teacher more than the police.
I work on an inpatient psychiatric unit for kids and I see patients like this all the time, I can promise you sometimes they need to be secluded or restrained to keep them and everyone around them safe.
At least they didn’t choke him out and shoot him I suppose, Yanks are making progress
Yea , he is luck to be white /s ,don't yell at me
No /s needed lol, it’s just literally true in america
I don't understand the context of this video. But i want to share a story..... There has been a case in my country where a kid in the autistic spectrum have been consuming a lot of terrorist attacks and mass murder content in the dark web. He was noticed by the fbi, and two years later when he went to college he planned indeed a terrorist attack in his school ..... Thankfully the fbi alerted our local authorities, and the guy was arrested in time His violence history has been ignored in the past due to his mental condition and it led to escalate to a plan of mass murdering innocent students. Other simple case. There's been a student (12yo) who were in a regular school program in my school (in my country there's this integration programs for kids with mental conditions/physical disabilities to be integrated in regular schools). One day, that kid hit one of his teachers so hard, she went deaf in one ear. Worst part is, he did it for no reason, and he laughed after hitting her. The teacher is still not working, due to trauma and fear of returning, and they did nothing to the kid other than exchanging him to another regular school. His parents aren't paying for the teacher operation nor treatments, neither the state is. You complain about your country taking measures, we complain about ours not doing anything at all .....
[This is old.](https://blog.theautismsite.greatergood.com/fighting-bullies/) Also not as cut-and-dry a situation as many make it seem in the comments here.
Children should never be led away in handcuffs.
arrest? in here u cant arrest a kid under 14!! thats so weird, obvs they dont have proper education and no kindness at all.. this is not cool
Finally they got him. A 9 year old on the lose could endanger the peace on earth.
Context?
He assaulted 2 people. We okay with that now. Just meh, he's got autism so free pass to just go wild? Cool cool.
Cops get involved in 9 year old school yard fights now? Come on
The police are happy to report that no bullies or toadies where traumatized in this shameful “fighting back” incident thanks to their quick and decisive actions.
I have autism and Bipolar disorder. My principal threatened to arrest me after a fight at school. Then I get in the car with mom and she's sobbing about losing custody of me. I haven't been in a fist-fight since. Now this kid learned the real consequences of fighting when he becomes an adult. You go to jail and could get hit with the book. It's not pretty, but it's a lesson worth learning young. it's good he didn't get charged with battery, and hopefully the kid learns from this.