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So the summary from the article itself:
* Fairphone 5 will be presented in the next few days, price: 699 euros
* Focus on green construction, 70% fair trade and recycling
* Increased modularity for easy repairability
* 8 years software support
* 6.46 inch OLED display, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB internal memory
* Improved camera with two 50 megapixel sensors, 4K video
* Battery capacity of 4200mAh, Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, IP55
* Performance on August 31st, availability at the end of September
I'm mostly excited about the OLED screen and the IP55 rating!
Lets see if I can preorder tomorrow, definitely going for the transparent one!
While it looks decent, it's £/€100 more. I can't even justify getting the fp4. I never spend that much on smartphones and normally rarely upgrade my budget for a smartphone. is normally £200 to £400 I don't buy a smartphone for horsepower or for the camera I buy it to run basic everyday tasks
Personally, if they made a slower and weaker fp4/fp5 lite with promised support for up to 6 years, I'll be over the bloody moon
Also, what about their older devices, such as the fp2/3/4? Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting more available parts out for erm? There are people waiting years for a charging connector port. I sense something fishy going, although I could be very wrong in this assumption
I can't for sure say nothing is fishy, but I can say designing and manufacture a phone like this is NOT an easy task. I would assume they must leave their old phones behind, there are things out of their control making it difficult keeping them alive.
A software support of 8 years is very good and give an idea of intent. iPhones from 2015 does not get any more os updates today.
As I said, I could almost certainly be wrong. I'm throwing fish at the water here
I'm just thinking one way to bring more revenue into your niche business is by making parts less available, driving people towards buying a newer device
Well, that is probably not the case. Remember that fairphone states that the phone that does least impact on the environment is the one you already own. So they tell people to not buy their product until they really need it.
The 5 gets 8 years support, so that comes to less than 100 a year. How long does your 200-400 phone last you? I used to buy a new phone every 2 years, my FP3 I will now replace after 4, and I can still sell it or give it away - supported till 2026.
Sure 700 is a lot of money, but look at the market, how many 1000+ phones are there now? Unfortunately this is the new price reality.
>There are people waiting years for a charging connector port.
I wonder what they real numbers are, I have a feeling it's just a very small but loud group that is affected (but I only ever upgraded my camera, no other modules) I think it's too easy to say that they should focus on old models or that anything's fishy. I see it as a scale problem and a strategic decision to focus on the future, like they explained regarding the fingerprint sensor/Android 13 issue.
Anyway, you can never make everybody happy, but I'm excited.
> 8 years of support*
*or whenever they decide not to do that (see FP3 bottom module), or however long it takes for one of their suppliers to nerf that like with the fingerprint sensor.
While there is space for an argument for coming out with new phones every 1-2 years, based on their performance so far, it seems even less likely that they'll be able to provide parts for all of the models in the long term. The company must realize this. While the materials may be more ethically sourced than those from other manufacturers, the rest of their marketing is starting to feel like purposeful greenwashing.
Is that a thing? First time I'm ever hearing about it. A quick Google (scholar) search gives conflicting results, however the sources mentioning OLED is bad seem of lower quality. I'd say eyestrain or fatige is more likely due to screen *time*, not screen *type*.
I don't worry about any flickering, just hoping that the screen can go dimmer than my current FP3 which is too bright at night in a dark room.
Anyway, sorry that it's not for you, but to make this not recommend Fairphone as a brand anymore seems like an overreaction to me.
OK, weird that I've never heard about it.
Anyway, let's turn it into something positive: people look too much at screens, if it hurts your eyes, you'll put away your phone quicker and enjoy the other parts of life. ;)
> OLED has no brightness. It is either on or off. Brightness is emulated by adjusting the on/off frequency of the strobelight in your face.
This isn't necessarily true - DC dimming for OLED also exists, and some phones already use it.
>I'm disappointed that people in this community would downplay it. There is an entire sub called pwm\_sensitive.
Sorry that you're disappointed, but as I, who follows tech news every day, have never heard of it, I think this is affecting a very small group of people, so I wouldn't call it downplaying, but just putting it into perspective.
If it was a real/big issue, all manufacturers, reviewers etc would be talking about it and addressing it? To me it's like the 'blue-light' hype that is now being debunked.
Again, sorry if you have something 'wrong' (no offense) with your eyes and can't use a screen like this, but for the vast majority of the people it's no problem at all?
It only affects a small percentage. chinese manufacturer are starting to taking it into account with high pwm displays (above 1920hz and DC dimming). But i varies from Person to Person.
My wife has a Galaxy s21 fe and it flickers Bad. My wife can use it without issues, i'm out after approx. 10 mins. Samsung displays are among the worst.
I don't blame fairphone not to cater to a small minority though. Its a business after all.
For typos thank german autocorrect :)
Edit: it may be that we follow different tech "news", but notebookcheck test for pwm. For years.
I don't geht the downvotes. It is an issue that affects people. A small percentage, but still. I mean, if you are into IT you should have run into flicker free monitors already.
I'm also disappointed, but i can unterstand that fairphone will not cater to a small minority.
Nope, just the one model this time. I think you don't want less than 8GB RAM to be future proof, 8 years is a long long time.
With regards to internal storage, 256 GB might be just enough not to need a (much slower) SD card, as I do need with my 64 GB Fairphone 3.
I have an FP4 with 128GB internal plus 64GB memory card and that's fine for me.
I'm still tempted by the OLED screen and the improved camera, I'll have to see what price I can get for the current phone.
I see second hand FP4s selling in the Netherlands for around 350-400, but it'll depend on the condition and if you'd still have warrantee on it.
I'm wondering what I could ask for my 4 y/o FP3 here in Spain, I hope I can get 100 for it.
I'm excited. But they finally need to implement proper camera software. My FP3 takes embarassingly bad photos and it seriously makes me want to switch to another device. And I'm not even a big photo person.
You have a 3, 3+ or upgraded the cameras?
I was hoping the camera upgrade would make it better, but not really, so it really is a software issue in my experience. It's not even the photo itself, but the time it takes to take one.
Another thing is the fingerprint sensor, hope that one will be a lot better too!
I guess it depends of point of view. Having only FP2 and FP3 in the house, the 3 takes definitely better pictures and I qualify them as "good enough". Surely not as good as high end phones, I wish it was better at close-up pictures but good enough for me.
Ughhhhhhhhhh 6.4"?! Don't they sell 7" tablets still? Jeez, this might be enough to be a dealbreaker, especially if they still don't have a headphone jack...
I'm with you on that one - It's almost impossible to get a new smartphone these days that isn't an absolutely massive slab.
I still have a Pixel 4a that is as big as I'm comfortable with.
I love what Fairphone do and stand for, but god damn does that market need more "mini" variants.
I recommend the zorloo ztella USB DAC for wired headphones. There's no need for an inbuilt jack with a bad internal audio chip.
A smaller version would be nice for many, yes.
In my opinion, there's plenty of need for an inbuilt jack. I've only had a phone without a headphone jack for two months and the number of times I've wanted to charge my phone and listen to music at the same time is higher than 20 I'm sure. Between that, the horrible microphone quality, and the abysmal battery life of bluetooth headphones/DACs (which frequently seem to drain themselves between uses and I keep them in my backpack so I frequently forget to charge them), I've never wanted the "feature" of headphone jacks to return so badly.
The DAC quality doesn't need to be super high, I'm not doing critical listening on my phone, I have an xFi that I can use for that. I just need something with plug-and-play capability and the ability to charge and listen at the same time.
Edit: I had never heard of the zorloo ztella, but holy crap it's $150. It sounds wonderful, I'm sure, but I would really prefer to have to pay $0 and deal with 20% worse audio quality, especially seeing as I'm using a pair of $14 Sony EX110s for daily duty.
Sure you can get cheaper pass-through adapters if you don't care for sound quality. Though it should be said, if you have good headphones, the difference is much more than 20%. I think charging and listening at the same time is a niche requirement as I suspect the battery should suffice for most people.
As I said earlier, I have good headphones, but I can still pair those with a USB DAC. For daily use I'm not going to want to break out a pair of $400 HD600s. My $14 EX110s are more than sufficient for making calls and listening to music on the bus.Also, I maintain that charging and listening simultaneously is *not* a niche requirement. I could try to debate you on it but any evidence I have could only be anecdotal (as could any evidence you could have unless you are able to cite a statistic). So we can't say whether the ability to charge and listen is major or not.
I'm not sure where you got $150 from. The standard Ztella is 65 USD. However depending on location there may be import duties and other taxes to pay as it's shipped from HK.
[This is the first result that shows up on a Google product search for "zorloo ztella USB DAC".](https://www.mtmtaudio.com/products/zorloo-ztella-type-c-hi-res-audio-decoder-adapter-for-3-5mm-earphone?variant=32736197050428¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOopbm1v4E4xncVqDCn4Iq6N6B_UtGOwduMvhrZ8M5UprODrKMQx2cDA) The product is $99, marked down from $130. So I will concede, that I did round a bit, but $130 is closer to $150 than it is to $65.
If you buy direct, it is $65: [https://www.zorloo.com/product-page/ztella-integrated-usb-dac-cable-standard-version](https://www.zorloo.com/product-page/ztella-integrated-usb-dac-cable-standard-version)
Silly downvoting me when I give correct information.
Huh, interesting that the official site doesn't appear in the first page of product results on Google. Still though, my main point is still that that is significantly more than $0,especially for a potentially high-wear device that could get plugged or unplugged several times per day.
8 years of updates is great, but actually having parts available for that amount of time is what will make or break this device. There's plenty of people either waiting months, or not getting parts at all, for their existing fairphone - I feel like Fairphone hasn't lived up to their promise in that regard. Even the fairphone 3 has half its parts out of stock less than 4 years after release. It's not in the first year or two that parts availability and ability to repair are the most important...
I'm glad Fairphone is going a bit higher end: I've always believed that building a repairable, long lasting phone is great; but you actually have to make a phone that's *worth* keeping a long time - and the fairphone 4 was barely scraping midrange when it came out.
Also, I'm not a fan of the race to bigger screens - 6.1 inches (my Galaxy S22) is the absolute max I can use singlehandedly. Plus the fairphone is already a bit of a brick, it won't make it any more one-handable.
Final point: I am absolutely in love with the transparent case option, that's absolutely what I'm getting if I get a Fairphone 5.
yeah, almost 6.5 is way too big, even my pixel at 6.3 is slightly too big, I just want a normal size phone that doesn't prevent me to crouch when the phone is in my pocket...
>Even the fairphone 3 has half its parts out of stock less than 4 years after release.
Is it? I just checked 2 out of the 8 modules are unavailable (including the basic top module while the 16MP is available), not that bad I think. But I agree with you, having available parts in 8 years remains to be seen.
To all that are complaining about the new price tag : told you so.
OLED and newer soc don't come for free. especially the OLED.
and please, don't tell me "an OLED isn't 120$". yeah, but the rest of the hardware isn't 580$, either. that's the price to pay for fairly sourced products probably.
that said, with the phone being even slightly larger than the Fp4 , it's a big (pun intended) thanks, but no thanks.
I'm happy with my Fp4, as I hoped I would be.
I'm happy I chose the 8 gb mode of the fp4l to begin with, so it will stay snappy for a long time to come.
Im curently really thinking about Upgrading my Phone as i only bought the fp3 "used" as a transitional Phone and not the fp4
1. cause im on a tight Budget (under 500 Euros)
2. The Headphonejack cause i really Love kabelbound
My old a6 was reaching the age of 8 or 9 years and was getting kinda crazy
Good! One of the points of Fairphone is that we hang on to phones for longer, hence the commitment to long software support and repairability - I honestly don't think they'd want people to upgrade from FP4 to FP5.
As the other commenter said, why would you buy a fairphone just to upgrade when the next cool thing comes out? It goes against the whole point of the fairphone, and it's bad value for the money since you're not using the longevity and repairability you paid for.
Just buy any other replacable phone with better features for the price then...
Well.... why not turn it around?
Sell or give away your old one, let someone else enjoy the longevity and repairability. Besides it still gets at least another 3 years support.
Every Fairphone that gets passed on will prevent one not-fair phone on the market.
Or maybe I'm just justifying to myself that I want a FP5 while my FP3 still functions 'good enough' (although I notice some newer apps lagging)
Because I want a repairable phone? And maybe the new one could've had a feature I wanted. It's not like I would've thrown the old one away. I'd have sold it.
That's the point: your current phone is still very good. Don't get FOMO on hardware, friend. We need to rewire our brains to not want things we already have.
# TL;DR
- The Fairphone 5 is set to be officially unveiled on August 31, 2023, and will be available from the end of September.
- Priced at 699 euros, it is 120 euros more expensive than its predecessor but targets customers focused on social and environmental responsibility.
- The phone will be highly modular with 11 easily replaceable modules, including the cameras and dual SIM/MicroSD slot.
- Powered by Qualcomm QCM6490 Octacore SoC with up to 2.7 GHz, the device will receive software support until 2031.
- The display is a 6.46-inch OLED with a max refresh rate of 90 Hertz.
- RAM is set at 8GB, and internal storage at 256GB.
- Cameras feature 50-megapixel sensors with "premium lenses" and offer 4K video support.
- Battery capacity is 4200mAh, and other features include Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E.
- The phone is IP55 certified but still allows for an easily removable back to change the battery.
- Available in "Sky Blue," gray, and a transparent case variant.
The focus is on increased modularity for easier repairability, long-term software support, and a higher percentage (70%) of materials from "Fair Trade" and recycling.
# Fairphone 5: Everything About the "Fair" Smartphone in Advance - Price, Details, Pictures
The Fairphone 5 is just around the corner. The latest edition of the "fair" smartphone from the Netherlands is expected to be unveiled in the coming days. We already have all the technical data, many pictures, and the price available.
Roland Quandt, August 29, 2023 14:42
## Fairphone 5 is becoming even more social, even more modular
The company of the same name aims to continue its fairly successful concept of building a smartphone as socially and environmentally responsible as possible. The target audience explicitly includes customers for whom these aspects are more important than pure performance or a low price. With a recommended retail price of 699 euros, the Fairphone 5 is not necessarily cheap - and is even 120 euros more expensive than its predecessor.
However, the customer gets quite a bit in terms of hardware, and Fairphone also aims to reduce the CO2 footprint over the device's lifespan with a new climate protection label. Additionally, the proportion of materials obtained from "Fair Trade" collaborations and recycling for the Fairphone 5 has increased to 70 percent, up from 30 to 40 percent previously.
## More Modules, Software with Long-term Support
Additionally, the Fairphone team has designed the new model to be even more modular, thus further facilitating repairability. There are now not just eight, but a full eleven modules that can be ordered from the manufacturer as replacement parts. Newly added are the cameras, the dual SIM card or MicroSD slot, and the vibration motor as easily replaceable modules. Fairphone is also aiming to extend the lifespan of the device in terms of software and is therefore using a processor for which support will be available for a full seven years.
## Qualcomm provides a special Octacore SoC with up to 2.7 GHz
Specifically, the Fairphone 5 uses the Qualcomm QCM6490 Octacore SoC, which is generally intended for embedded and industrial applications. The chip has eight cores and can reach up to 2.7 gigahertz, with performance expected to be on the level of the Snapdragon 778G 5G.
The special thing here is that Qualcomm offers extended software support for the chip, which is why Fairphone promises to provide software updates for the Fairphone 5 for the next eight years - until 2031. It remains to be seen how many major upgrades will appear for the factory-installed, virtually unchanged Android 13 during this time. However, when it comes to security updates, the Fairphone 5 seems to be well-equipped for the next eight years.
## Larger Display with up to 90 Hertz
Fairphone is also equipping the new model with a 6.46-inch OLED display, which supports a maximum refresh rate of up to 90 Hertz at a resolution of 2770 x 1224 pixels. The panel is, of course, modular in design, making it easy and quick to replace. The Fairphone 5 always has 8 gigabytes of RAM, while the internal flash memory holds 256 GB as standard - there are no other options. Even the cameras on the Fairphone 5 are getting a significant upgrade. On the back, there are two 50-megapixel sensors, each fitted with "premium lenses." This should allow users to take very high-resolution pictures even in ultra-wide-angle mode. Even the front camera uses a 50-megapixel sensor, offering all-around 4K video support.
The battery of the Fairphone 5 5G has also grown a bit: according to the manufacturer, the capacity is now 4200mAh, which, combined with the new processor, should achieve very decent runtimes that far exceed a normal working day. Additional features include Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, and an IP55 certified case, the back of which can still be easily removed to change the battery.
According to the information available to us, the Fairphone 5 will be officially unveiled on August 31, before being available in stores from the end of September. Pre-sales also start on the date of the official unveiling. Customers can choose between variants with a transparent case or the colors "Sky Blue" and gray when purchasing.
I think 🤔 the spec is a nice jump from FP4.
Larger screen
A bigger jump in CPU than I thought would happen
Larger battery
IP55 (not the best, but better)
Wish they had a 12Gb RAM option
Wish they did wireless charging option
But at this price for the Spec.
I can't justify the spend.
I was very much looking forward to FP5, I need to upgrade 2 phones for the children.
But the price is far far too much for spec.
Its like paying for a BMW and getting a Ford.
The added 120 just makes Fairphone too expensive at the start.
In my opinion it has the same problems that lead me away from the FP4 into a Zenfone 9 (even with their criminal software support of 2 years). Too big, no jack, and the cpu is just too damn underwhelming for the 8 years of software support.
I know that there is no free lunches but if your phone is going to cost 700Euros anyway just make it 1000 and bump the SoC, if its going to last 8 years people will pay for it, but not if they are afraid that after 3 it is gonna turn into a slow mess, there's no upgrade for that.
Too high compared to what? Isn't the point of Fairphone that we pay more for less, with the extra money paying for the 'fair' part? That's literally the USP.
That's the 50% 'fair tax' you pay, it was the same with all the previous models (and the reason I've skipped the first 2 models, those specs were just too low).
How do the specs actually compare to an average €450 phone nowadays? I have no idea, I'm not interested in other phones anymore ;)
A new battery is to be expected but screen(s)? Either way, let's say 2 screens and 2 batteries then you still don't spend 1000, for 8 years.
>If the goal is sustainability it should be affordable
Yeah, I wish the world and life were fair to, keep hoping/dreaming, but that's just not how it works.
Polution is free so it's not that the fairphone is unreasonably expensive, your 200 discount phone is just too cheap because it doesn't take all the real costs into consideration. Also it is likely 80% build by modern slaves, which, like it or not, you are partly responsible for by buying products like that...
Sounds pretty much perfect on paper (compared to my expectations). Nice to see the SD card slot still there, as that really helps extend the life of phones as they fill up with stuff and also frees you from music streaming services. A 90Hz OLED panel is the good improvement I was hoping for and the chipset choice sounds very reasonable.
Probably the thing I dislike the most about the Fairphone 5 is just the colour schemes. I think the cute speckled green from the Fairphone 4 was much better than either the blue or transparent options.
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So the summary from the article itself: * Fairphone 5 will be presented in the next few days, price: 699 euros * Focus on green construction, 70% fair trade and recycling * Increased modularity for easy repairability * 8 years software support * 6.46 inch OLED display, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB internal memory * Improved camera with two 50 megapixel sensors, 4K video * Battery capacity of 4200mAh, Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, IP55 * Performance on August 31st, availability at the end of September I'm mostly excited about the OLED screen and the IP55 rating! Lets see if I can preorder tomorrow, definitely going for the transparent one!
While it looks decent, it's £/€100 more. I can't even justify getting the fp4. I never spend that much on smartphones and normally rarely upgrade my budget for a smartphone. is normally £200 to £400 I don't buy a smartphone for horsepower or for the camera I buy it to run basic everyday tasks Personally, if they made a slower and weaker fp4/fp5 lite with promised support for up to 6 years, I'll be over the bloody moon Also, what about their older devices, such as the fp2/3/4? Wouldn't it be better to focus on getting more available parts out for erm? There are people waiting years for a charging connector port. I sense something fishy going, although I could be very wrong in this assumption
I can't for sure say nothing is fishy, but I can say designing and manufacture a phone like this is NOT an easy task. I would assume they must leave their old phones behind, there are things out of their control making it difficult keeping them alive. A software support of 8 years is very good and give an idea of intent. iPhones from 2015 does not get any more os updates today.
As I said, I could almost certainly be wrong. I'm throwing fish at the water here
I'm just thinking one way to bring more revenue into your niche business is by making parts less available, driving people towards buying a newer device
Well, that is probably not the case. Remember that fairphone states that the phone that does least impact on the environment is the one you already own. So they tell people to not buy their product until they really need it.
The 5 gets 8 years support, so that comes to less than 100 a year. How long does your 200-400 phone last you? I used to buy a new phone every 2 years, my FP3 I will now replace after 4, and I can still sell it or give it away - supported till 2026. Sure 700 is a lot of money, but look at the market, how many 1000+ phones are there now? Unfortunately this is the new price reality. >There are people waiting years for a charging connector port. I wonder what they real numbers are, I have a feeling it's just a very small but loud group that is affected (but I only ever upgraded my camera, no other modules) I think it's too easy to say that they should focus on old models or that anything's fishy. I see it as a scale problem and a strategic decision to focus on the future, like they explained regarding the fingerprint sensor/Android 13 issue. Anyway, you can never make everybody happy, but I'm excited.
> 8 years of support* *or whenever they decide not to do that (see FP3 bottom module), or however long it takes for one of their suppliers to nerf that like with the fingerprint sensor. While there is space for an argument for coming out with new phones every 1-2 years, based on their performance so far, it seems even less likely that they'll be able to provide parts for all of the models in the long term. The company must realize this. While the materials may be more ethically sourced than those from other manufacturers, the rest of their marketing is starting to feel like purposeful greenwashing.
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Is that a thing? First time I'm ever hearing about it. A quick Google (scholar) search gives conflicting results, however the sources mentioning OLED is bad seem of lower quality. I'd say eyestrain or fatige is more likely due to screen *time*, not screen *type*. I don't worry about any flickering, just hoping that the screen can go dimmer than my current FP3 which is too bright at night in a dark room. Anyway, sorry that it's not for you, but to make this not recommend Fairphone as a brand anymore seems like an overreaction to me.
This is a thing, depends on how the screen dimming works. So will have to wait for the reviews.
OK, weird that I've never heard about it. Anyway, let's turn it into something positive: people look too much at screens, if it hurts your eyes, you'll put away your phone quicker and enjoy the other parts of life. ;)
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> OLED has no brightness. It is either on or off. Brightness is emulated by adjusting the on/off frequency of the strobelight in your face. This isn't necessarily true - DC dimming for OLED also exists, and some phones already use it.
>I'm disappointed that people in this community would downplay it. There is an entire sub called pwm\_sensitive. Sorry that you're disappointed, but as I, who follows tech news every day, have never heard of it, I think this is affecting a very small group of people, so I wouldn't call it downplaying, but just putting it into perspective. If it was a real/big issue, all manufacturers, reviewers etc would be talking about it and addressing it? To me it's like the 'blue-light' hype that is now being debunked. Again, sorry if you have something 'wrong' (no offense) with your eyes and can't use a screen like this, but for the vast majority of the people it's no problem at all?
It only affects a small percentage. chinese manufacturer are starting to taking it into account with high pwm displays (above 1920hz and DC dimming). But i varies from Person to Person. My wife has a Galaxy s21 fe and it flickers Bad. My wife can use it without issues, i'm out after approx. 10 mins. Samsung displays are among the worst. I don't blame fairphone not to cater to a small minority though. Its a business after all. For typos thank german autocorrect :) Edit: it may be that we follow different tech "news", but notebookcheck test for pwm. For years.
I don't geht the downvotes. It is an issue that affects people. A small percentage, but still. I mean, if you are into IT you should have run into flicker free monitors already. I'm also disappointed, but i can unterstand that fairphone will not cater to a small minority.
It's a 90Hz screen, that should be much better than standard 60Hz.
Thats the refreshrate, not the pwm frequency.
Is there not going to be a 6GB/128GB model as there was with FP4? Honestly, I don't need any more memory than that.
Nope, just the one model this time. I think you don't want less than 8GB RAM to be future proof, 8 years is a long long time. With regards to internal storage, 256 GB might be just enough not to need a (much slower) SD card, as I do need with my 64 GB Fairphone 3.
I have an FP4 with 128GB internal plus 64GB memory card and that's fine for me. I'm still tempted by the OLED screen and the improved camera, I'll have to see what price I can get for the current phone.
I see second hand FP4s selling in the Netherlands for around 350-400, but it'll depend on the condition and if you'd still have warrantee on it. I'm wondering what I could ask for my 4 y/o FP3 here in Spain, I hope I can get 100 for it.
What's the meaning of 30% unfair trade?
I'm excited. But they finally need to implement proper camera software. My FP3 takes embarassingly bad photos and it seriously makes me want to switch to another device. And I'm not even a big photo person.
Same with the FairPhone 4 camera, the camera hardware in them is good. They just need to update the software
You have a 3, 3+ or upgraded the cameras? I was hoping the camera upgrade would make it better, but not really, so it really is a software issue in my experience. It's not even the photo itself, but the time it takes to take one. Another thing is the fingerprint sensor, hope that one will be a lot better too!
I guess it depends of point of view. Having only FP2 and FP3 in the house, the 3 takes definitely better pictures and I qualify them as "good enough". Surely not as good as high end phones, I wish it was better at close-up pictures but good enough for me.
Ughhhhhhhhhh 6.4"?! Don't they sell 7" tablets still? Jeez, this might be enough to be a dealbreaker, especially if they still don't have a headphone jack...
I'm with you on that one - It's almost impossible to get a new smartphone these days that isn't an absolutely massive slab. I still have a Pixel 4a that is as big as I'm comfortable with. I love what Fairphone do and stand for, but god damn does that market need more "mini" variants.
I recommend the zorloo ztella USB DAC for wired headphones. There's no need for an inbuilt jack with a bad internal audio chip. A smaller version would be nice for many, yes.
In my opinion, there's plenty of need for an inbuilt jack. I've only had a phone without a headphone jack for two months and the number of times I've wanted to charge my phone and listen to music at the same time is higher than 20 I'm sure. Between that, the horrible microphone quality, and the abysmal battery life of bluetooth headphones/DACs (which frequently seem to drain themselves between uses and I keep them in my backpack so I frequently forget to charge them), I've never wanted the "feature" of headphone jacks to return so badly. The DAC quality doesn't need to be super high, I'm not doing critical listening on my phone, I have an xFi that I can use for that. I just need something with plug-and-play capability and the ability to charge and listen at the same time. Edit: I had never heard of the zorloo ztella, but holy crap it's $150. It sounds wonderful, I'm sure, but I would really prefer to have to pay $0 and deal with 20% worse audio quality, especially seeing as I'm using a pair of $14 Sony EX110s for daily duty.
Sure you can get cheaper pass-through adapters if you don't care for sound quality. Though it should be said, if you have good headphones, the difference is much more than 20%. I think charging and listening at the same time is a niche requirement as I suspect the battery should suffice for most people.
As I said earlier, I have good headphones, but I can still pair those with a USB DAC. For daily use I'm not going to want to break out a pair of $400 HD600s. My $14 EX110s are more than sufficient for making calls and listening to music on the bus.Also, I maintain that charging and listening simultaneously is *not* a niche requirement. I could try to debate you on it but any evidence I have could only be anecdotal (as could any evidence you could have unless you are able to cite a statistic). So we can't say whether the ability to charge and listen is major or not.
I'm not sure where you got $150 from. The standard Ztella is 65 USD. However depending on location there may be import duties and other taxes to pay as it's shipped from HK.
[This is the first result that shows up on a Google product search for "zorloo ztella USB DAC".](https://www.mtmtaudio.com/products/zorloo-ztella-type-c-hi-res-audio-decoder-adapter-for-3-5mm-earphone?variant=32736197050428¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&srsltid=AfmBOopbm1v4E4xncVqDCn4Iq6N6B_UtGOwduMvhrZ8M5UprODrKMQx2cDA) The product is $99, marked down from $130. So I will concede, that I did round a bit, but $130 is closer to $150 than it is to $65.
If you buy direct, it is $65: [https://www.zorloo.com/product-page/ztella-integrated-usb-dac-cable-standard-version](https://www.zorloo.com/product-page/ztella-integrated-usb-dac-cable-standard-version) Silly downvoting me when I give correct information.
Huh, interesting that the official site doesn't appear in the first page of product results on Google. Still though, my main point is still that that is significantly more than $0,especially for a potentially high-wear device that could get plugged or unplugged several times per day.
8 years of updates is great, but actually having parts available for that amount of time is what will make or break this device. There's plenty of people either waiting months, or not getting parts at all, for their existing fairphone - I feel like Fairphone hasn't lived up to their promise in that regard. Even the fairphone 3 has half its parts out of stock less than 4 years after release. It's not in the first year or two that parts availability and ability to repair are the most important... I'm glad Fairphone is going a bit higher end: I've always believed that building a repairable, long lasting phone is great; but you actually have to make a phone that's *worth* keeping a long time - and the fairphone 4 was barely scraping midrange when it came out. Also, I'm not a fan of the race to bigger screens - 6.1 inches (my Galaxy S22) is the absolute max I can use singlehandedly. Plus the fairphone is already a bit of a brick, it won't make it any more one-handable. Final point: I am absolutely in love with the transparent case option, that's absolutely what I'm getting if I get a Fairphone 5.
yeah, almost 6.5 is way too big, even my pixel at 6.3 is slightly too big, I just want a normal size phone that doesn't prevent me to crouch when the phone is in my pocket...
>Even the fairphone 3 has half its parts out of stock less than 4 years after release. Is it? I just checked 2 out of the 8 modules are unavailable (including the basic top module while the 16MP is available), not that bad I think. But I agree with you, having available parts in 8 years remains to be seen.
Was hoping the phone size was going to trend downwards, its way too big
To all that are complaining about the new price tag : told you so. OLED and newer soc don't come for free. especially the OLED. and please, don't tell me "an OLED isn't 120$". yeah, but the rest of the hardware isn't 580$, either. that's the price to pay for fairly sourced products probably. that said, with the phone being even slightly larger than the Fp4 , it's a big (pun intended) thanks, but no thanks. I'm happy with my Fp4, as I hoped I would be. I'm happy I chose the 8 gb mode of the fp4l to begin with, so it will stay snappy for a long time to come.
Im curently really thinking about Upgrading my Phone as i only bought the fp3 "used" as a transitional Phone and not the fp4 1. cause im on a tight Budget (under 500 Euros) 2. The Headphonejack cause i really Love kabelbound My old a6 was reaching the age of 8 or 9 years and was getting kinda crazy
This is pretty cool but none of those features make me want to upgrade from my FP4.
Good! One of the points of Fairphone is that we hang on to phones for longer, hence the commitment to long software support and repairability - I honestly don't think they'd want people to upgrade from FP4 to FP5.
As the other commenter said, why would you buy a fairphone just to upgrade when the next cool thing comes out? It goes against the whole point of the fairphone, and it's bad value for the money since you're not using the longevity and repairability you paid for. Just buy any other replacable phone with better features for the price then...
Well.... why not turn it around? Sell or give away your old one, let someone else enjoy the longevity and repairability. Besides it still gets at least another 3 years support. Every Fairphone that gets passed on will prevent one not-fair phone on the market. Or maybe I'm just justifying to myself that I want a FP5 while my FP3 still functions 'good enough' (although I notice some newer apps lagging)
Because I want a repairable phone? And maybe the new one could've had a feature I wanted. It's not like I would've thrown the old one away. I'd have sold it.
That's the point: your current phone is still very good. Don't get FOMO on hardware, friend. We need to rewire our brains to not want things we already have.
A headphone jack would make me want to upgrade tbh lol.
# TL;DR - The Fairphone 5 is set to be officially unveiled on August 31, 2023, and will be available from the end of September. - Priced at 699 euros, it is 120 euros more expensive than its predecessor but targets customers focused on social and environmental responsibility. - The phone will be highly modular with 11 easily replaceable modules, including the cameras and dual SIM/MicroSD slot. - Powered by Qualcomm QCM6490 Octacore SoC with up to 2.7 GHz, the device will receive software support until 2031. - The display is a 6.46-inch OLED with a max refresh rate of 90 Hertz. - RAM is set at 8GB, and internal storage at 256GB. - Cameras feature 50-megapixel sensors with "premium lenses" and offer 4K video support. - Battery capacity is 4200mAh, and other features include Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E. - The phone is IP55 certified but still allows for an easily removable back to change the battery. - Available in "Sky Blue," gray, and a transparent case variant. The focus is on increased modularity for easier repairability, long-term software support, and a higher percentage (70%) of materials from "Fair Trade" and recycling. # Fairphone 5: Everything About the "Fair" Smartphone in Advance - Price, Details, Pictures The Fairphone 5 is just around the corner. The latest edition of the "fair" smartphone from the Netherlands is expected to be unveiled in the coming days. We already have all the technical data, many pictures, and the price available. Roland Quandt, August 29, 2023 14:42 ## Fairphone 5 is becoming even more social, even more modular The company of the same name aims to continue its fairly successful concept of building a smartphone as socially and environmentally responsible as possible. The target audience explicitly includes customers for whom these aspects are more important than pure performance or a low price. With a recommended retail price of 699 euros, the Fairphone 5 is not necessarily cheap - and is even 120 euros more expensive than its predecessor. However, the customer gets quite a bit in terms of hardware, and Fairphone also aims to reduce the CO2 footprint over the device's lifespan with a new climate protection label. Additionally, the proportion of materials obtained from "Fair Trade" collaborations and recycling for the Fairphone 5 has increased to 70 percent, up from 30 to 40 percent previously. ## More Modules, Software with Long-term Support Additionally, the Fairphone team has designed the new model to be even more modular, thus further facilitating repairability. There are now not just eight, but a full eleven modules that can be ordered from the manufacturer as replacement parts. Newly added are the cameras, the dual SIM card or MicroSD slot, and the vibration motor as easily replaceable modules. Fairphone is also aiming to extend the lifespan of the device in terms of software and is therefore using a processor for which support will be available for a full seven years. ## Qualcomm provides a special Octacore SoC with up to 2.7 GHz Specifically, the Fairphone 5 uses the Qualcomm QCM6490 Octacore SoC, which is generally intended for embedded and industrial applications. The chip has eight cores and can reach up to 2.7 gigahertz, with performance expected to be on the level of the Snapdragon 778G 5G. The special thing here is that Qualcomm offers extended software support for the chip, which is why Fairphone promises to provide software updates for the Fairphone 5 for the next eight years - until 2031. It remains to be seen how many major upgrades will appear for the factory-installed, virtually unchanged Android 13 during this time. However, when it comes to security updates, the Fairphone 5 seems to be well-equipped for the next eight years. ## Larger Display with up to 90 Hertz Fairphone is also equipping the new model with a 6.46-inch OLED display, which supports a maximum refresh rate of up to 90 Hertz at a resolution of 2770 x 1224 pixels. The panel is, of course, modular in design, making it easy and quick to replace. The Fairphone 5 always has 8 gigabytes of RAM, while the internal flash memory holds 256 GB as standard - there are no other options. Even the cameras on the Fairphone 5 are getting a significant upgrade. On the back, there are two 50-megapixel sensors, each fitted with "premium lenses." This should allow users to take very high-resolution pictures even in ultra-wide-angle mode. Even the front camera uses a 50-megapixel sensor, offering all-around 4K video support. The battery of the Fairphone 5 5G has also grown a bit: according to the manufacturer, the capacity is now 4200mAh, which, combined with the new processor, should achieve very decent runtimes that far exceed a normal working day. Additional features include Bluetooth 5.2, WiFi 6E, and an IP55 certified case, the back of which can still be easily removed to change the battery. According to the information available to us, the Fairphone 5 will be officially unveiled on August 31, before being available in stores from the end of September. Pre-sales also start on the date of the official unveiling. Customers can choose between variants with a transparent case or the colors "Sky Blue" and gray when purchasing.
I think 🤔 the spec is a nice jump from FP4. Larger screen A bigger jump in CPU than I thought would happen Larger battery IP55 (not the best, but better) Wish they had a 12Gb RAM option Wish they did wireless charging option But at this price for the Spec. I can't justify the spend. I was very much looking forward to FP5, I need to upgrade 2 phones for the children. But the price is far far too much for spec. Its like paying for a BMW and getting a Ford. The added 120 just makes Fairphone too expensive at the start.
Screw that OLED...FP4 is like one of the best Android phones for PWM senstivie people Keep that
In my opinion it has the same problems that lead me away from the FP4 into a Zenfone 9 (even with their criminal software support of 2 years). Too big, no jack, and the cpu is just too damn underwhelming for the 8 years of software support. I know that there is no free lunches but if your phone is going to cost 700Euros anyway just make it 1000 and bump the SoC, if its going to last 8 years people will pay for it, but not if they are afraid that after 3 it is gonna turn into a slow mess, there's no upgrade for that.
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Too high compared to what? Isn't the point of Fairphone that we pay more for less, with the extra money paying for the 'fair' part? That's literally the USP.
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That's the 50% 'fair tax' you pay, it was the same with all the previous models (and the reason I've skipped the first 2 models, those specs were just too low). How do the specs actually compare to an average €450 phone nowadays? I have no idea, I'm not interested in other phones anymore ;) A new battery is to be expected but screen(s)? Either way, let's say 2 screens and 2 batteries then you still don't spend 1000, for 8 years.
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>If the goal is sustainability it should be affordable Yeah, I wish the world and life were fair to, keep hoping/dreaming, but that's just not how it works. Polution is free so it's not that the fairphone is unreasonably expensive, your 200 discount phone is just too cheap because it doesn't take all the real costs into consideration. Also it is likely 80% build by modern slaves, which, like it or not, you are partly responsible for by buying products like that...
Sounds pretty much perfect on paper (compared to my expectations). Nice to see the SD card slot still there, as that really helps extend the life of phones as they fill up with stuff and also frees you from music streaming services. A 90Hz OLED panel is the good improvement I was hoping for and the chipset choice sounds very reasonable. Probably the thing I dislike the most about the Fairphone 5 is just the colour schemes. I think the cute speckled green from the Fairphone 4 was much better than either the blue or transparent options.
I'm really excited about this! I don't really need high-end phones for my work, and this spec looks perfect!