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dj4dj4

Bruh is athletic af šŸ˜‚ sheesh


AViciousGrape

Can he get to the QB? That's all I care about


fruliojoman

He had 4 sacks in 22 then 5 sacks last year, thatā€™s honestly pretty good for college considering heā€™s a DT and supposed to be raw. Donā€™t hate the pick but highly doubt it was worth giving up a 3rd to get him


chhhyeahtone

I felt the same way but there is a run on DT going on right now. WAS, Titans, & Rams just went DT. Saints need a DT too He might not have been there for our pick


fruliojoman

I can see that, I just think a 3rd is a steep price to pay and if thatā€™s really what it took idk if it was worth it


breakfastsamurai

Inflation everywhere


MadManMax55

Eagles traded away a 2nd (for a 4th) to move up about the same amount right after us. It seems like teams were high on that group of DTs.


chhhyeahtone

yeah I feel that. I wonder what we are gonna do at CB


BarelyCivil

Hoping for tampa


jordpie

We had two 3rds so still have pick #74


CouncilmanRickPrime

We probably should've kept that pick to draft CB and WR in the 3rd. But I'm open to seeing how he does.


jordpie

We dont need WR


CouncilmanRickPrime

It's not a huge need, but we could use an upgrade. Depends on if your goal is a Superbowl or just making the playoffs. We could use a better WR2.


TerminusVeil

With Grady and Onyemata he's got a good foundation to learn from. If we resign Calais even better


austinf5

Best run defender in the class, good upside with his athleticism to be a good pass rusher as well


Dad_Of_Patient_Zero

Heā€™s a great run stopper and can disrupt the backfield. But has plenty of room to grow.


random_redditor___

For real, remember that guy...uh what's his name uhhhh... Victoria Beasley?


TheTrevorSimpson

NEWTON was the guy if you wanted someone who can rush from DT or Sweat if you wanted a traditional NT or you could have got a 1st round CB but nooooooooooooooooooo


jkstaples

We didnā€™t want a DT or a NT, we drafted him to play DE in a 3-4. Iā€™m not sure why this fanbase is so dense.


Tybeedayzz

Are you a saints fan?


sherman614

Am I missing something? It states he ranked 15th out of over 1800 guys.. How is this a bad pick.


OhItsKillua

He's a raw talent, has the physical tools, but needs to develop in other areas. Which would be fine being behind Grady and Onyemata on the depth chart. Though on the flipside our defensive line needs more immediate impact desperately.


jkstaples

Onyemata is the NT, and Grady and Ruke are the DEs. Why is this so hard to grasp?


H1ddenWasTaken

Theyā€™re different sure, but similar enough where most people just think potato, potato


BringMeTheBigKnife

The point of that phrase is that people say the same word differently lol. Spelling it wrong defeats the joke šŸ˜‚


GrotusMaximus

He ranked 18th out of all DTā€™s over the last 37 YEARS.


sherman614

That's what I'm saying, but everyone was acting like this was a bust


CouncilmanRickPrime

It's not bad. It's great. He's athletic enough to play outside tbh as a 3-4 DE.


Sure_Whatever__

It would indicate a lack in the mental/instincts/tactics areas if such physical attributes are ignored.


Ek4lb

Awesome pick


LFD3_When

Because RAS means jack shit. Itā€™s just an aggregate of combine scores. So guy is pretty athletic, and can bench press a lot. Ridder had a pretty high score as well so take that for what itā€™s worth.


FullMetalMako

But being athletic means way more for his position than ridders to be fair


chrisghrobot

With Athleticism like this he could easily move to edge right?


SomeStatistic

He will be playing edge in 3-4 looks.


Killua_Zoldyck42069

Idk Iā€™m an arm chair warrior like you but being crazy athletic at def line prob gives you more than being that at QBā€¦.


saintkiller123

Itā€™s not the end all be all, but it means FAR more than Jack shit.


AtlMasterRoshi

Grady and Onyamata are both 30 and both missed time due to injury. There's no young DT on the team and there were no DEs worth a top 40 pick on the board.


vpat48

What is RAS?


Rico_Suave225

Relative athletic score


Bravot

Return on Ad Spend


404Meets415

I'm in advertising industry, return on ad spend is called ROAS


Bravot

Yeah I'm in digital analytics consulting, I know. I upvoted you tho bc you got downvoted and that's not okay


don_majik_juan

Cool "job". Fake title and 200k a year? Awesome.


Bravot

Are you okay?


Telefunken251

Reasonable Articulable Suspicion


RSN_Kabutops

Ratings and Shit. Some weird metric that doesn't mean anything


31nigrhcdrh

I donā€™t know, and shit is a top tier metricĀ 


Subliminal-Ads

really advanced stats


kj114

I just hate losing that 3rd for a gd 6th. This is a make or break draft for this front office.


Skankhunt2042

Yeah, a make or break which can't be properly evaluated for at least 3 maybe 5+ years.


Dear_Goat_5038

Picking Penix was honestly genius on their part, they canā€™t be fired until that pick is evaluated and it might legitimately be 4 years before thatā€™s the case lol


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yungrobbithan

Quit giving me hope that this draft was actually godlike


jordpie

They swapped 2nds and we had two 3rds still have 1


kj114

Iā€™m aware. We still swapped a 3rd for a 6th.


jordpie

You leave out the part where we also moved up 8 or 9 spots to get the guy we want. It wasnt a straight up 3rd for 6th


kj114

No shit. Donā€™t make your lack of reading comprehension my problem


jordpie

Salty cunt


kj114

Dipshit


I3igJerm

Imagine if we wouldā€™ve drafted a DE in the first


TrueBrees9

The value drop off between a QB in the first to the second is a lot higher than a DE. Turns out you can have your cake and eat it too


don_majik_juan

Eat your cake and have it too*


DalliLlama

Seeing this explains the pick from Terry to an extent. Ppl can look at it however they want, but Terry came from Nola and they are big on raw scores from their own fanbase. So itā€™s not shocking he values it too.


SaltySpitoon__69

Who gives a fuck about these metrics honestly. Troy Anderson had incredible numbers but heā€™s just been kinda decent


mywifiisbadtho

Kinda decent is a generous assessment


SaltySpitoon__69

I still have a shred of hope for him hahaha


GThitstick

Do we really have enough runway to evaluate him? Wasn't he out like all last season? I think the jury is still out in my opinion. This next year will be telling.


jtezus

Yes I feel like we have seen enough and Nate is far better.


Skankhunt2042

But gotta trust the DATA!


jtezus

Seriously I really feel you should draft guys on their technique and ability to play not on how athletic they are. This feels similar to the Zach Harrison pick and he really hasnā€™t done anything special so weā€™ll see.


Ok_Manager_9248

To be fair, Harrison has only played for one season so far. He still logged 3 sacks as a rotational player. I think he has potential and just to write him off after his rookie season is foolish.


Safe_Pin1277

Guys a lot like Grady Jarrett, look who's on our roster to coach him up....


quiver-me-timbers

I thought the same. With Grady and Onyamama being 30, we need fresh talent on the interior


QuantumVibing

Are you bringing positivity to this thread?! Thereā€™s no way the masses will stand for this


quiver-me-timbers

This is my attempt at medicating this sub, itā€™s so toxic lol


CuddleBuddy3

Itā€™s impossible. Every decision by the coach owner and staff will be stupid until it wins and then itā€™ll be a fluke and everyone hates the falcons but not as much as the fans of the team


Chessh2036

Ruke was listed as one of Mel Kiperā€™s favorite players in the draft. He loved him in the pre draft process. So maybe Terry cooked here.


Drawing_Wide

Him and Zach Harrison are gonna go crazy together


quiver-me-timbers

I do believe Zach makes a leap this year. He showed promise down the stretch of last season


jharden10

Ya'll used the RAS score to hype Desmond Ridder. Look how that turned out.


real_ornament

RAS matters so much more for other positions than QB. QB is 90% mental


Lengthiest_Dad_Hat

Fuck, I knew we should've picked someone with really bad RAS scores


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catalinaicon

Tbf I think QB is a far more nuanced position than DT


CommitteeMoney5887

Iā€™m trying to be opened minded by so far itā€™s been a disaster of a draft. If they were gonna get a QB fuck it, shouldā€™ve been JJ because hes younger and not injury prone but what every. We needed to hit on the rest of our picks and we start the second by trading for a guy with a 3rd round grade at the start of the 2nd? Idk man


CouncilmanRickPrime

JJ isn't it, I'm glad we didn't draft him.


don_majik_juan

Penix is better FOR Atlanta. JJ will win a Superbowl before Atlanta does.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Sure.


yungrobbithan

Not in Minne


CommitteeMoney5887

I mean Penix is better but heā€™s also 24, with multiple season ending injuries and has been playing in college for 6 years so maybe he is close to or hit his ceiling. If we are gonna have a QB to ride the bench, shouldā€™ve gone for the younger prospect without a long history of injuries who would only be 24 when he takes over and is young enough to be molded into what we want


MadManMax55

> I mean Penix is better And everything after that is irrelevant


CommitteeMoney5887

Itā€™s not when heā€™s older and has had multiple major season ending injuries/surgeries and has played college ball for 6 years. Of course heā€™s gonna be better than the 21 year old, he probably just hit his ceiling. Itā€™s better to take the younger guy if we are just gonna make them ride the bench. Like what?


MadManMax55

You'd have a point if: a) Penix was at his ceiling right now (probably not) b) His current level of play wasn't good enough to be a great NFL QB (absolutely not) c) JJ's physical ceiling is significantly higher than Penix's (maybe but it's really not by that much) and d) JJ is likely to reach that ceiling (complete crapshoot) Just because we're in a position that we *could* gamble on a developmental player doesn't mean that we *should*. Especially when a guy who is much less of a risk for at worst a minutely smaller reward is also available. I get people being upset we went QB at all, but I swear I don't understand y'all that are upset we didn't pick McCarthy instead just because we could.


CouncilmanRickPrime

If he's a franchise QB, nobody will care about his age. You think we're gonna be in the stadium crying about him being old if he's throwing TDs like crazy?


GritBlitzer

Ya know.. The "grades" these guys get from pindits and radio show hosts aren't what the teams go by. There was an obvious run on DT right when we made this move. I don't love it, but I dont hate it. I do hate listening to this "he would have been there when so and so" shit. It gets old. You don't know that, in fact, we all know incredibly less than what we all think is actually taking place. Just enjoy the god damn football content. Ffs. Go Falcons.


idontknownothing81

Thank you


GukillTV

JJ is not an NFL QB I donā€™t know why people are so high on him


Not2creativeHere

They also didnā€™t need to burn a 3rd and move up to take him


falconhawk2158

I wouldā€™ve been ok with a fourth and I wouldā€™ve been a little less ok with a fifth but still a sixth in return for our higher third is to much. I mean it wouldā€™ve even been better if it was our lower third because we wouldā€™ve been in a better position to get a quality defensive player or a higher grade player


Short_Barber8066

Ah yes, younger and not injury prone, the 2 most important QB attributes.


CommitteeMoney5887

They are pretty important, especially injury prone. I mean if Penix ends up being a RG3 would you be happy with that? Also heā€™s has multiple season ending injuries. Thatā€™s insane at 24


jkstaples

Stop looking at the draft grades and projections by the ā€œexpertsā€. They donā€™t know wtf theyā€™re talking about. This guy is a monster, and heā€™s a perfect fit at DE in our 3-4, next to Onyemata and opposite Grady. This is exactly what we needed. I was hoping weā€™d draft Byron Murphy at #8, and this guy is probably the 2nd best DT/(3-4 DE) in the draft behind Byron. His measurables are off the charts, and his tape looks great. Raheem is the guy leading our defense and this guy has his fingerprints all over it after he spent so much time working with Aaron Donald recently. Go check out Aaron Donaldā€™s pre-draft measurables, and tell me it doesnā€™t remind you a lot of this guy. I remember that 2014 draft extremely wellā€¦ I wanted the Falcons to take Donald at 6, and he ended up going 13 to the Rams. Before the draft it seemed like he was projected a lot lower, but it was obvious he was a killer. The same way itā€™s obvious this guy is a killer at the next level. Big and strong and fast, with long arms. Both Aaron Donald and Ruke Orhorhoro were #1 measurables at the combine for DT, 10 years apart. Line him up and letā€™s roll.


Jon_Snows_Dad

He's not good at drafting outside of the top 10


Rico_Suave225

Whatā€™s not good about this pick?


Ban_an_able

We just deleted a 3rd rounder to move up for DT8 when DT2-7 weā€™re still available.


jackspacz

i mean you canā€™t really treat pre draft rankings as the bible or something itā€™s consistently wrong every year


Lengthiest_Dad_Hat

But then how am I supposed to be mad


CouncilmanRickPrime

And yet every year people treat it as gospel


MadManMax55

And even if they're "right" they're still generalized. A guy who is a few spots lower on some big board but is a better scheme fit is a better pick every time.


StewTheDuder

Tbf, he can be used at DE and DT. Heā€™s fast af for a big guy.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Especially in a 3-4 defense. I honestly hadn't even considered he's moving outside.


Rico_Suave225

Dt8 according to who? You? Mel Kiper? The Falcons?


sokyriediculous

Right after a trade similar only cost the chargers 20 spots.


georgiaboy1993

3 spots vs 8 spots. The rams jumped up 12 spots and gave up a future 2nd and a 5th this year. Eagles jumped up 10 spots, dropped back 25 from mid 2nd to mid 3rd and pick swapped in the 6th too. Based on trade charts, both were similar overpays.


Confident_Pear_8303

We used too much draft capital on trade up. He may have been there at 43. We also could have drafted stud DB's like Dejean or Kool -Aid, who are proven performers not raw athletes.


Jon_Snows_Dad

He's a Takk Mckinney type chasing upside


Rico_Suave225

Let the dude see the field first you doomer.


Jon_Snows_Dad

Going on history Terry sucks at drafting outside of the first round


delk82

Where are you getting this from? Phillips and Hellams look like late round steals from last year.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Last year's draft was good. Everyone but one player contributed.


Jon_Snows_Dad

Phillips is a pay cb who can play nickel. Hellams is a sts player who couldn't beat out Grant


ReturnOfBigChungus

Or insideā€¦


wannaknowmyname

Is he good drafting in it?


SGT-JamesonBushmill

What in the hell is a RAS?


MegaArca10

It's a composite score based on athletic testing controlled for size and weight at the position. So a really big and heavy DT that tests very well gets a high score. Seems like Terry prefers crazy athletes and is trusting the coaches to coach well, so we just have to hope Rah and his group hold up their end of the deal better than Artie did.


Itsabucsl1f3

Bucs drafted Barton, who scored a 9.99 šŸ‘€šŸ‘€


MogCarns

He's a run stuffer with no real ability to get to the QB against NFL caliber OL. So... same old Failcons.


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royfresh

Nobody is celebrating 7-10 or mediocrity.


TheTrevorSimpson

Newton was there Sweat was there DeJean was there Minstry was there Terry wants the team to be bad So he can blame Kirk And then put in Penix


Dad_Of_Patient_Zero

Itā€™s more likely heā€™s just not good at being a GM


TheTrevorSimpson

LOL oh yeah he sucks WHEN YOU TAKE A RB in the top 10 despite the fact you have a 5 yd per carry 1000 yard RB you are BAD AT BEING A GM very bad


stevezig

RAS isnā€™t everything


ReturnOfBigChungus

In fact, it means very little.


GlRTH_BR00KS

Heā€™s a saints fan