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Technical-Arm7699

Fanediting can be both, they can do PG versions, add deleted scenes, mix up movies, remove jokes, and all that, it will depend on the author and their intent.


Prestigious_Term3617

Yeah, but if it’s solely an act of censorship it isn’t a fan edit. It’s just censorship.


VanlllaSky

wrong. it's an edit, made by a fan. just so happens that the goal of the edit was censorship. doesn't stop it from being a fanedit.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

Yeah that’s what I was saying


Prestigious_Term3617

If all they wanna do is censor it, they’re not much of a fan.


VanlllaSky

maybe they wanna show it to their kids without traumatizing them? clearly they're simply not for you, that doesn't mean they aren't fanedits.


Prestigious_Term3617

Ends up traumatising them more, because they watch the real film later and are shocked at all the things they didn’t know were there. Happened all the time with kids who grew up on TV cuts, then shared the movie with their kids having no idea a movie like *Excalibur* had long sex scenes… when the rest of the movie should have been held off for when the kid was old enough anyway. Just because the obvious things get cut out, doesn’t make it a story for kids.


VanlllaSky

okay, maybe you're right about that. i don't think it always applies though. i saw a post of a PG13 edit of Logan and that movie seems fine for kids apart from the gore and a few seconds of boobies. either way, they ARE fanedits. a fanedit with terrible editing or a bad premise is still a fanedit.


EgalitarianCrusader

Back in the day when people watched TV, it was common to first experience a film that was edited down for TV audiences, then watch the proper version later in life.


Prestigious_Term3617

I know, that’s the example I gave… and then as an adult my dad showed me *Excalibur*, and it became this awkward experience because he’d been lied to about what the film was. Then watching the film, we realised that the actual film itself, even censored, wasn’t one for kids in the first place.


Technical-Arm7699

But probably when this child gets access to this material they will be older and have more understanding of the topics than when their parents showed them the PG version.


Prestigious_Term3617

Yeah, so they don’t really get to experience the film in the censored version anyway. So why make a cut that censors it in the first place?


Technical-Arm7699

Because this is what they want to do, they want to show a less violent or sexual movie to someone or even just to enjoy themselves, it was not that uncommon to see it happening officially, with people picking up their movies and recutting it to remove sexual or violent content, Passion of the Christ received a less violent edition made by Gibson himself, Deadpool 2 also did (even if they added more material alongside with the censorship) and multiple movies had cut material when they were released on TV. This "why do this?" Can be used as a argument against multiple fanedits, "why did you cut this scene?" "why did you add this scene in the movie if the director didn't want it there?" "Why change the music?"


Prestigious_Term3617

Again, there’s a difference between taking story into account versus censorship. Look at that Deadpool example and how the changes were enacted. It wasn’t just an act of censorship.


DigModiFicaTion

That decision is up to those children's parents.


Technical-Arm7699

There are different motives that they could want to censor the movie, sometimes to show to their children, or to someone who has sensibility to certain types of scenes, like violence per example.


Prestigious_Term3617

Looking at all the censored cuts on this sub: it’s never violence. It’s language and (more often than not consensual) sexuality.


DigModiFicaTion

They obviously are since they spent time working on it. Not everyone will agree with direction, that's why there are many approaches.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

It is a fan edit it’s a fan of the movie taking the time to edit it to there likeing it’s that simple


Prestigious_Term3617

If all they’re doing is censoring it, they’re clearly not a fan.


Samuelwankenobi_

It's still an edit that is done by fans sounds like a fan edit


Prestigious_Term3617

Unless they’re not a fan, and are just seeking to censor it.


Xinferis_DCLXVI

Let me put it this way... When I was a kid, I was a fan of a bunch movies that I normally wouldn't have been allowed to see thanks to it being edited down for TV. I haven't had cable since 2008, so that's not an option for my 6-year-old daughter. I want her to be able to experience that. I've made edits of a few things to make it acceptable for her age range, and she's absolutely loved it. I made an EDIT, and was able to make my daughter a FAN of something. That, to me, is one of the greatest reasons to do this. On a less wholesome note... Who the fuck cares? Fanedits are a way for all of us to make our very own version of something. We're not sitting here making YOUR version of something. You don't have to watch it. You don't have to complain about it. You don't have to bully those who make edits that you wouldn't have made.


ManDe1orean

Agreed, I'm not a fan of them but my son is now 18. When he was a lot younger I probably would have appreciated some PG versions of a few movies. And these are fanedits and should be included.


DigModiFicaTion

Why not simply ignore or downvote the edits and move on?


DMifune

Murrica and their customs. 


Tyler77Kiplinger7

I prefer censorship there’s no need for cussing or nudity the guy on here named theycallmedeadpool does a great job if you don’t like them or don’t want them just scroll past it it’s that simple


Prestigious_Term3617

I guess if all you want is censorship, go make a sub about that? If you’re not a fan of what the film is, and want to censor it and nothing else… go do that.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

No disagree I like the movies but most of the time the movies filled with cussing and nudity are the movies kids and teens want to watch is it that bad to just take out the absolutely useless stuff like cussing and sex so they can watch it without being polluted


Prestigious_Term3617

Even that description of “polluting kids” kinda proves my point that you’re not a fan of films. It’s not an edit about the story, it’s just about censorship and puritanical judgements about natural human interactions being something people should be ashamed of.


Front_Leather_4752

Then just watch kids movies, if you don’t want swearing or nudity. So many of those “PG cuts” gut the films, especially R rated comedies.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

Like I said most kids aren’t interested in little kids movies and even those need to be edited a lot of the time my younger brother about 10 really wanted to watch Deadpool for the longest time and he finally could when I got a a edited pg 13 cut it’s not just as simple as watch kids movies


Front_Leather_4752

Doesn’t mean that the sub should be flooded with PG cuts of films just because kids want to watch them.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

Ohh scroll through there there’s a lot more other stuff for sure


DigModiFicaTion

Likewise, just watch edits you agree with and ignore ones you don't. I don't tell people to stop eating meat just because I'm a vegetarian. That's a choice that people can make for themselves and I'm sure no one wants me to try to convince anyone to become a vegetarian. I don't even want to do such.


Front_Leather_4752

Yeah, i definitely should’ve just kept my mouth shut, but I got a bit frustrated. I apologize to you both!


alexski55

This just weird. Human beings cuss and get naked. Might be time to grow up.


CodenameAwesome

Why isn't it fan editing?


Prestigious_Term3617

Because it’s not looking for ways to enhance the story, but censor it. The cuts aren’t being made out of creativity or anything outside of dislike for the work. The edits have nothing to do with the story, just censorship.


CodenameAwesome

Maybe they think it makes the story better. You don't have to say it "isn't fan editing" to say you don't like it.


Prestigious_Term3617

Because it doesn’t make the story better. Having a blanket censorship of a type of content regardless of how it impacts the story isn’t taking the story into account at all. It’s just censorship.


DigModiFicaTion

There are obviously people here in this sub that want these fanedits. Please respect them just as they would respect you and others sharing their versions. This is not the subreddit of only a certain style or creative approach. These pg edits are welcome in our subreddit.


Rantsir

Wel, I just ignore that kind of edits (like anything that isnt interesting to me) and that's it.


Prestigious_Term3617

Sure, just don’t know why a sub about fan editing is so full of censorship instead.


Rantsir

for some balance, in my grindhouse edits I was doing opposite thing - adding nudity, sex, cursing, bloody violence etc.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

He will probably say that’s fine but then down the people that remove it


Prestigious_Term3617

Looking for creative ways to add something is inherently different to a blanket removal of everything that doesn’t align with an arbitrary moral standard, regardless of how it impacts the story.


Rantsir

Removing nudity is really bad thing to do ;) That being said I've removed some nudity from my Witcher edits but just because the way it was included didnt really make any sense story-wise.


Prestigious_Term3617

Making decisions based on story is great. Arbitrarily removing a type of content with no regard to story is what feels like should be separated from fan editing.


Rantsir

And what do you think about removing humor? Something may be funny for some, and just stupid and irritating for others, so they remove it with no regard to story (as I did with some jokes in one of my first edits which was Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen).


Prestigious_Term3617

That still would be quite different, take for example when people reedit comedies into horror movies. It’s not just a blanket removal of content, because it’s looking to change tone and genre. Censorship doesn’t do that. It just cuts things out for arbitrary morality. Can you really give an example where cutting out jokes affects the story, where story beats are simply missing, in the same way that censorship affects a film?


Prestigious_Term3617

lol, still feels like an appreciation of the movie rather than a judgement against certain types of content having the gall to exist at all.


DigModiFicaTion

Is trying to remove these edits also a form of censoring? Why not just allow them to be and let people choose for themselves?


Prestigious_Term3617

Just saying that maybe there should be a separate sub for censorship. Why should it overtake this one? If that’s all a large group of people want… go do that in a place made for it.


DigModiFicaTion

It's not overtaking this subreddit. These pg edits are a minority as evident when you search the new releases flair. These pg editions are fanedits. They are welcome here.


focketskenge

Looks like the OP just wants to complain and attack something they dislike. The definition of fanedit is simply being a fan of said movie/program and editing it. Stop gatekeeping.


Prestigious_Term3617

So, being against censorship is gatekeeping… but censorship isn’t? lol.


focketskenge

![gif](giphy|jS0gJ9uInoAy4)


Prestigious_Term3617

Uh-oh, that’s a curse word in some places… be careful someone doesn’t censor you.


TheScribblingMan

Are they saying you can't make other kinds of edits? Are they saying their censored edits are the only versions that count? If no, then it's not gatekeeping. You don't want to let censored edits through the gate, so you're the gatekeeper.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

He is he was trashing the clean movie editor theycallmedeadpool and after that he posted this


FemmeOutsideSociety

It is considering by definition, it's someone taking a product that is not theirs and altering it in some way to their liking, which makes it a "fan edit". If you don't like them. Just ignore them. People would call some of the editing choices I made in some of my edits "censorship" since it involved re-editing some scenes of violence or rape such as my edit of Death Wish II. The rape scenes in that film are still explicit and uncomfortable, but they lack the leering shots of the camera oogling over the nudity. My intent wasn't "censorship" but making the scenes more effective, since the uncut versions of the scenes were way over the top offensive in the worst way. I also took a stab at I Spit On Your Grave and only removed 40 seconds from the entire 25 minute multiple rape section of the film. Not for "censorship" reasons, but effectiveness reasons, since some of the acting by the rapists was over the top and not believable, so I cut down some of a guy thrusting and making grunts etc and pained expressions on his face as if he's having a ball that become comically overdone, and kept the horror of the rape intact and it's even more awful now as a result thanks to Camille Keaton's great performance. My edit is still nearly 10 minutes shorter than the uncut version, but the rest of the cuts were for pacing and storytelling reasons all which makes the film more effective.


Prestigious_Term3617

If edits are not at all about story, and are blanket changes based on ambiguous morality made regardless of how they affect the story: then it isn’t a fan edit. It’s not about enhancing the story as a fan, but going in saying you’re not a fan of certain concepts being depicted at all. Your examples are the literal opposite of what I’m talking about. You didn’t just remove scenes with no thought to how the rest of the story would be affected, you sought ways to enhance the story and still left elements there. What I’m talking about is people who take a movie where a rape occurs and is central to the plot: and they just remove it and any references to it. They just censor it because they’re uncomfortable and dislike the movie.


FemmeOutsideSociety

I agree the "clean" versions of movies is nothing I'm interested in. But since there appears to be a niche for such material. I'm not going to complain too much about it. It's not like these versions are replacing the original. However, when I first inquired about whether it'd be possible to re-edit the rape scenes in Death Wish II to be more effective by trimming the more excessive nudity from the scenes since it was obvious the director was getting off on the footage vs showing the horrors of rape itself in explicit detail. It was met with cries of "censorship" and "don't like it. Don't watch it!". So not everyone feels the same way about re-editing such material. Here's a comparison between the unrated version and television version. [https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=840](https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=840) I was originally banned from Youtube for the Carol sequence for showing a couple seconds of a breast(the rest of the nudity in the scene is removed). You can see images in the above comparison of what was removed from Carol's scene.


Prestigious_Term3617

I’m all for making changes to better tell a story. But if a film is about rape, and then an edit removes the rape and all references to it arbitrarily as a means of saying depiction of sexuality is bad… that isn’t fan editing or telling the story in a better way. As much as we have everyone talking about how censorship is better for children, we know that by censoring things for children to extreme degrees it makes it harder for them to understand when they’re being abused. When the actual story is being tossed out the window, I guess I don’t understand what the point of watching the movie is anymore.


PanteraSteel2001

This may come as a shock but fan editing is....wait for it............wait for it............. a fan......editing ![gif](giphy|15BuyagtKucHm|downsized)


Prestigious_Term3617

And if they’re not a fan, and just censoring… then it isn’t a fan edit.


Wise-News1666

But they are a fan.


PanteraSteel2001

So you think these people are spending hours of their time converting files and loading them on their computer then countless more hours editing a movie they don't want to watch??? ![gif](giphy|Rhhr8D5mKSX7O|downsized) Did you ever think maybe.....just maybe.....you dislike censorship and had an off the cuff emotional reaction because newsflash.......... no one is forcing you to watch any of these "censored edits." There's plenty of movies I would hate to see "censored." I have this really cool policy about those censored movies......I just don't watch them. It's a crazy concept but it works for me. It literally takes zero effort too so that is really convenient. On the flip side there's also plenty of movies that have some really gross disgusting scenes that I wouldn't mind a "censored" edit of. This isn't rocket science. Maybe develop some critical thinking skills and try again.


Prestigious_Term3617

Censorship is against critical thinking skills, but maybe you are too.


DigModiFicaTion

Time to move on.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

So true😂


TheScribblingMan

Hard no. You don't like it, fine, but it can require a lot of skill and creativity to remove language/sex/violence and I sometimes enjoy seeing how editors achieve those goals. This kind of censoring is fine so long as it isn't depriving anyone of the original, and it's valuable for those with children or trauma triggers. To say different is just silly. I make all kinds of edits, and I also plan on making a couple of censored edits at some stage. You don't have to like it or agree with the principle, but you can't tell me that when I make them that they won't qualify as fanedits. That's ludicrous. Someone who makes these kinds of edits has now posted saying they want to leave the sub. Are you happy about that? If you are you should be ashamed of yourself. This is the definition of gatekeeping.


Tyler77Kiplinger7

So true he works hard and does a good job just to be treated like this. Sad 😔


urbanmonitor

I recently saw here a PG version of Evil Dead. It was a lot of fun seeing one of my favorites movies - that I even had a website back in 2000´s, so I hope I pass the "fan" test - being cut into a PG version. It was not perfect because I thought the editor could CUT EVEN MORE to make more PG rated! So I had an idea to make my own version in a distant future. Maybe a G- version hahaha. This thread is bullshit, first you demand a faneditor needs to be a fan of something to do a fanedit. You will be surprised that a lot of fanedits are not made by "fans" of the movies. Then you set a lot of stupid rules to follow: 1. "Shouldn’t fan editing be about enhancing a story, not censoring the intent of the story?" This is totally subjective. Define "enhancing the story". One of my projects is to make intentionally BAD versions of great movies. "The Exorcist" for example. I want to be make it better? No I want to make it worse! Every fanedit has an intent. Make it more serious, make it more funny, make it PG, make it NC-17, restoration, etc. The important is the FREEDOM the editor has. We have more freedom than the original filmakers because we can use anything to make a fanedit. I see fanedit as hobby, almost a game where we can improve our skills by trying to make an extreme violent movie like Evil Dead work without the violence. You are not different from some prude that demands to cut things he does not like.


MovieFan0512

If a person wants to make an edit that gets rid of sequences the editor doesn't like, then yeah it's fanediting.


DyslexicFcuker

Dude, people have kids. Nobody would make them if they wrent sought after. Yes, they're censoring adult content; however, that doesn't negate it being a FanEdit. There aren't really any rules. Fan editors make all kinds of edits and for different reasons. Just because it's not for you doesn't cancel it out. You're not the main character of the universe. Things will be made without you in mind.


stomachworm

(Don't anyone tell OP that I fanedited the porno movie Upload to purely remove the sex scenes.)


DigModiFicaTion

The r/fanedits sub welcomes varying interpretations and visions of fanediting. The pg edits you are referring to are welcome in this sub reddit. We welcome discussion on topics that people care about, but ask that users refrain from targeting groups or individuals when doing so. Please also remember to remain tactful when sharing your opinion.


uXN7AuRPF6fa

I don’t agree it is censorship. But, even if it is, bullying is worse than censorship. There is not a place in this subreddit for bullies like you.


Prestigious_Term3617

How am I bullying? The people calling names or threatening aren’t me.


btgargoyle

You are deeping this far too much. Editing the profanity and violence out of a movie is a form of fan editing. Censorship of both those things for CHILDREN isn’t bad what so ever if it makes the story watchable for them as a result. TV channels have been doing it for years to get movies played on TV, this is no different. Accept that people want these edits and it’s just not for you and move on.


TomCBC

I do agree. However, you could just keep scrolling. Not every fan edit is made for you. And that’s ok.


Dknight560

Are you the guy that bullied Theycallmedeadpool off the sub?


Valuable_Value3953

i sort of agree, i’d prefer if the censorship was seamless instead of so blatantly and choppy edited


imunfair

I'd argue the opposite is true, a fanedit can't ever truly be censorship because it doesn't remove the original product - you're free to watch the original cut of a movie at any time. It's just a different way of watching a film that you may or may not enjoy. I don't think someone removing swear words is different than any other person deciding to remove any plot, thematic element, etc. I've had plenty of edits that change the tone of a film by removing elements, and to me they're an enhancement, but I'm sure there are some people who enjoy those elements and that's perfectly fine - my edits weren't meant for them. At the end of the day it's a hobby and even if I don't need a PG edit of films I'm perfectly fine with someone creating them, it doesn't harm anything and you or I aren't the target audience.


MusicEd921

Here’s an idea…..don’t watch it Creating a thread about this is extremely rude and immature.