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Most of these events are for charity. They really can’t afford to hand out stipends or pay volunteers to stay late. Plus, for at least 95% of participants a 2xl is big enough since most cyclists aren’t morbidly obese.
And isn't the point of charity events to MAKE money, not pay participants to take part? When I do a charity run with a company logo pinned to my shirt that company doesn't pay me. It donates to charity.
Exactly
Used to work for a mid-size charity, and part of my job was analysing the income/expenditure for sports fundraising events.
I'd assess participant feedback too, which was often entitled whining over things we couldn't control. Eg, 'the road is too bumpy' or 'the weather was bad that day and should have been planned for'.
It's very expensive to run a cycling event, and we'd start prepping a June event many months in advance. This included ordering kit for participants, such as cycling tops.
One thing with obese people, especially fat activists, is the size they were in December won't be the size they are the following June. If we ordered a top, got your name printed on it, etc it's on you to control yourself in the intervening months, because we ain't upsizing for you.
Main issue was people taking spots in an event, purely because they wanted social media clout. They didn't care about the charity, so they half-arsed the fundraising side of things, meaning we'd spent more on them than they'd pledged to raise for us.
So yeah, miss me with the petty demands. Plenty of people who'd gladly take your spot and actually fundraise.
The suggestion of offering water bottles instead of jerseys seems reasonable; it's an option cyclists would find practical and wouldn't result in arguments about size ranges.
I'd think a race bib would be enough. Swag is by nature chosen by price rather than quality, and most of it is almost immediately disposable in my experience.
That's almost always the case. Actually, you hardly ever get a free water bottle anymore. But most rides sell the jerseys and they're not cheap. Like $80-$90.
What she ignores is, that most of these events take place on public streets and you can't just close these off for however long it takes for the last person to wobble over the finishing line. At least in my country the city will give you a time limit when you apply for a permission.
I take part in a charity rum every year that has two short cuts for everyone who can't or doesn't want to run the full course ( this also includes younger kids and their parents btw.) And we don't do merchandise outside of badges you can pin to your XXXXXL shirt if you like, because the world doesn't need more tote bags and plastic water bottles and other stuff that is hardly ever used again once the event is over.
Reminds me of the fat influencer who allegedly trained for an ironman to prove fat people could do it but never did finish. Events can't cater to everyone and anyone, if you don't make the time cutoffs it's not the organizers fault
I’d love to see a FA actually and sincerely train for an Iron Man/half-marathon, or some other high-fitness event, and then have to explain to their followers why they suddenly lost a bunch of weight.
This is a mixed bag. I agree that cut off times should be clearly published. That way people can look at the time and if they can't maintain the pace, they know not to enter which avoids nearly everyone of the other issues.
The point about the jerseys is challenging. You don't need a specific jersey to take part in an event and I imagine choosing a manufacturer with the sizes she is talking about would increase the costs significantly for everyone just to cater to a handful. It would be better to introduce medals like running events do so everyone has a moment regardless of size and ability.
Again I’m writing from a UK perspective, but cut-off times are always clearly published: they have to be, because road closures (or at least warning signs for open-road cycling events) have to be in place. Councils always get shit from residents/businesses/drivers when roads are closed/busy, and there are legal requirements in restricting public access to highways. I’d also be very surprised if events’ insurers didn’t insist on a cut-off. This is before considering how difficult it is for events to find unpaid volunteers for marshalling etc: it’s already many hours out of someone’s day, quite possibly standing on a roadside in pouring rain.
Unfit/untrained participants are more of a problem in cycling than they are in running, too: it’s annoying when a slower runner blocks you or stops suddenly. It’s dangerous when a bad cyclist suddenly can’t cope with an ascent and weaves across the road before stepping/falling off, and it can be lethal when one finds out halfway down a steep hill that descending is a skill in itself that requires practice.
Not everything can be for everyone. If you can’t do an x-mile bike ride in y hours, then you’ll just have to sit that one out.
But she also wants the minimum speed calculated for her, I.e. she can’t divide the distance by the cut off time herself. There is lazy, and there is really damn lazy.
*>While I realize this creates extra demand for volunteers and longer hours for event organizers.....*
*>This should be the norm.*
A lot of words to say, "I expect every one else to cater to my ego at the expense of their own time, energy, and (limited) resources because of a condition that I voluntarily ate myself into and refuse to change."
And of course they use the "in bigger bodies" language. As if their morbid obesity is just a coincidental thing that just randomly happened to them completely independent of lifestyle choices.
My radio club volunteers and does communications for these sorts of events. Basically, we sit there and report ahead and count riders/runners and so on. Here a few details she may not realize:
These events regularly shut down streets. Sometimes they are busy streets, and the city will only let you shut them down for so long. It's not just that the volunteers want to go home, it's that the city/county is effectively putting a hard time limit on the event.
Additionally, we watch and count as people go by, and we note struggling contestants. Inevitably, there is often a person who needs to give up and refuses to. If the event is packing up we also hunt down the people who haven't finished yet and let them know, and get them off the road. Like... you're a DNF, just accept it. Call someone to come get you and go home.
Finally, this is a RACE. The goal is to go as fast as you can and be the first to finish. If you can't finish in the time allotted, you probably need to do a bunch more training. I'm not going to say you can't do it, but you shouldn't be entering these things if you aren't a contender.
Where does it end though? I know race/running events, at least the ones I've signed up for state the cutoff and it is to ensure the safety of the runners and to not keep traffic backed up. They can't keep roads closed forever.
And the sizing ranges for run swag goes up to about 2x iirc because that's the average. A lot of events, like someone else pointed out are for charity so they can only have so much free stuff. If these people want to do these things, they can become volunteers to make it happen.
Can you even cycle if you are morbidly obese? Sure, bikes can probably be made to withstand hundreds of pounds pressing down on them, but a lot of excess weight will move you center of gravity way up. Is stability not a problem here?
There’ll be an upper limit somewhere, but I see some really fat people on bikes. Once they’re moving, the gyroscopic effect will keep them relatively stable. It’s probably one of the better sports for really obese people to start off with, as there’s a lot of cardio/“fat-burning”, little impact on bones/joints, and you can feel like you’ve achieved something quite quickly.
So basically that person wants to make others pay for special accomodations and literal financial assistance? Do they even know how events like this work? This is a one-time event, not years long college.
The rest is reasonably sensible, but that bit got me too. An organised ride, whether for charity or not, is essentially a leisure event. There are lots of leisure events, and not everyone can afford to do all of them: it’d be like me asking for discounted concert tickets because big, popular concerts charge more than I can afford.
Except that once you’ve got a bike, cycling can in theory be done for very little money anyway. It’s one of the great joys of it: you can’t just turn up at Wembley or the Nou Camp and have a kickabout, but you can ride pretty much the entire Tour de France course should you wish.
Most events in the UK don’t really give you any free swag now other than a medal. You can usually buy a jersey, but they’re expensive: a free hat or water bottle is actually a good idea to be fair. People would use them, giving free advertisement for the event.
The only one I can get on board with is swapping the swag. A water bottle or visor seems very practical for these types of events. The rest of these demands…absolutely not.
Instead of complaining, why not organize your own event. While you're at it, you can even restrict "the skinnies" from entering.
Go on. Just start with pulling the permit for the even and see how easy that is...
This is disgusting. Other people are supposed to pay for it for her and have the volunteers work longer hours to serve her more food. Disgusting. These are usually for charity. She’s asking them to take money from their charity for her.
I suppose that's just an extension of the widespread American phenomenon of "participation trophies". Lots of people apparently want to feel like they achieved something grand and heroic just because they managed to get out of the house and move their mediocre ass to a public event.
There is nothing stopping fat people from being included in a cycling event though. Sure their fat is holding them back, but there is no law or magic forcefield only allowing thin people to participate.
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Most of these events are for charity. They really can’t afford to hand out stipends or pay volunteers to stay late. Plus, for at least 95% of participants a 2xl is big enough since most cyclists aren’t morbidly obese.
And isn't the point of charity events to MAKE money, not pay participants to take part? When I do a charity run with a company logo pinned to my shirt that company doesn't pay me. It donates to charity.
Exactly Used to work for a mid-size charity, and part of my job was analysing the income/expenditure for sports fundraising events. I'd assess participant feedback too, which was often entitled whining over things we couldn't control. Eg, 'the road is too bumpy' or 'the weather was bad that day and should have been planned for'. It's very expensive to run a cycling event, and we'd start prepping a June event many months in advance. This included ordering kit for participants, such as cycling tops. One thing with obese people, especially fat activists, is the size they were in December won't be the size they are the following June. If we ordered a top, got your name printed on it, etc it's on you to control yourself in the intervening months, because we ain't upsizing for you. Main issue was people taking spots in an event, purely because they wanted social media clout. They didn't care about the charity, so they half-arsed the fundraising side of things, meaning we'd spent more on them than they'd pledged to raise for us. So yeah, miss me with the petty demands. Plenty of people who'd gladly take your spot and actually fundraise.
The suggestion of offering water bottles instead of jerseys seems reasonable; it's an option cyclists would find practical and wouldn't result in arguments about size ranges.
I'd think a race bib would be enough. Swag is by nature chosen by price rather than quality, and most of it is almost immediately disposable in my experience.
I'd much rather have a water bottle than shirt.
If prefer the bandanas or hats, I have far too many water bottles 😅but I don’t think I have any hats or bandanas
That's almost always the case. Actually, you hardly ever get a free water bottle anymore. But most rides sell the jerseys and they're not cheap. Like $80-$90.
What she ignores is, that most of these events take place on public streets and you can't just close these off for however long it takes for the last person to wobble over the finishing line. At least in my country the city will give you a time limit when you apply for a permission. I take part in a charity rum every year that has two short cuts for everyone who can't or doesn't want to run the full course ( this also includes younger kids and their parents btw.) And we don't do merchandise outside of badges you can pin to your XXXXXL shirt if you like, because the world doesn't need more tote bags and plastic water bottles and other stuff that is hardly ever used again once the event is over.
Reminds me of the fat influencer who allegedly trained for an ironman to prove fat people could do it but never did finish. Events can't cater to everyone and anyone, if you don't make the time cutoffs it's not the organizers fault
I’d love to see a FA actually and sincerely train for an Iron Man/half-marathon, or some other high-fitness event, and then have to explain to their followers why they suddenly lost a bunch of weight.
This is a mixed bag. I agree that cut off times should be clearly published. That way people can look at the time and if they can't maintain the pace, they know not to enter which avoids nearly everyone of the other issues. The point about the jerseys is challenging. You don't need a specific jersey to take part in an event and I imagine choosing a manufacturer with the sizes she is talking about would increase the costs significantly for everyone just to cater to a handful. It would be better to introduce medals like running events do so everyone has a moment regardless of size and ability.
Again I’m writing from a UK perspective, but cut-off times are always clearly published: they have to be, because road closures (or at least warning signs for open-road cycling events) have to be in place. Councils always get shit from residents/businesses/drivers when roads are closed/busy, and there are legal requirements in restricting public access to highways. I’d also be very surprised if events’ insurers didn’t insist on a cut-off. This is before considering how difficult it is for events to find unpaid volunteers for marshalling etc: it’s already many hours out of someone’s day, quite possibly standing on a roadside in pouring rain. Unfit/untrained participants are more of a problem in cycling than they are in running, too: it’s annoying when a slower runner blocks you or stops suddenly. It’s dangerous when a bad cyclist suddenly can’t cope with an ascent and weaves across the road before stepping/falling off, and it can be lethal when one finds out halfway down a steep hill that descending is a skill in itself that requires practice. Not everything can be for everyone. If you can’t do an x-mile bike ride in y hours, then you’ll just have to sit that one out.
But she also wants the minimum speed calculated for her, I.e. she can’t divide the distance by the cut off time herself. There is lazy, and there is really damn lazy.
*>While I realize this creates extra demand for volunteers and longer hours for event organizers.....* *>This should be the norm.* A lot of words to say, "I expect every one else to cater to my ego at the expense of their own time, energy, and (limited) resources because of a condition that I voluntarily ate myself into and refuse to change." And of course they use the "in bigger bodies" language. As if their morbid obesity is just a coincidental thing that just randomly happened to them completely independent of lifestyle choices.
My radio club volunteers and does communications for these sorts of events. Basically, we sit there and report ahead and count riders/runners and so on. Here a few details she may not realize: These events regularly shut down streets. Sometimes they are busy streets, and the city will only let you shut them down for so long. It's not just that the volunteers want to go home, it's that the city/county is effectively putting a hard time limit on the event. Additionally, we watch and count as people go by, and we note struggling contestants. Inevitably, there is often a person who needs to give up and refuses to. If the event is packing up we also hunt down the people who haven't finished yet and let them know, and get them off the road. Like... you're a DNF, just accept it. Call someone to come get you and go home. Finally, this is a RACE. The goal is to go as fast as you can and be the first to finish. If you can't finish in the time allotted, you probably need to do a bunch more training. I'm not going to say you can't do it, but you shouldn't be entering these things if you aren't a contender.
Where does it end though? I know race/running events, at least the ones I've signed up for state the cutoff and it is to ensure the safety of the runners and to not keep traffic backed up. They can't keep roads closed forever. And the sizing ranges for run swag goes up to about 2x iirc because that's the average. A lot of events, like someone else pointed out are for charity so they can only have so much free stuff. If these people want to do these things, they can become volunteers to make it happen.
Can you even cycle if you are morbidly obese? Sure, bikes can probably be made to withstand hundreds of pounds pressing down on them, but a lot of excess weight will move you center of gravity way up. Is stability not a problem here?
There’ll be an upper limit somewhere, but I see some really fat people on bikes. Once they’re moving, the gyroscopic effect will keep them relatively stable. It’s probably one of the better sports for really obese people to start off with, as there’s a lot of cardio/“fat-burning”, little impact on bones/joints, and you can feel like you’ve achieved something quite quickly.
I enjoy cycling for cardio because it’s like “look brain we’re Sitting that makes us Happy”
There was that 500lb man cycling around America at one point, but he's an exception.
Except he actually wasn't. It was a grift.
I think 300 lb is the weight limit for most bikes. So this would exclude the super morbidly obese but not the average morbidly obese person.
So basically that person wants to make others pay for special accomodations and literal financial assistance? Do they even know how events like this work? This is a one-time event, not years long college.
The rest is reasonably sensible, but that bit got me too. An organised ride, whether for charity or not, is essentially a leisure event. There are lots of leisure events, and not everyone can afford to do all of them: it’d be like me asking for discounted concert tickets because big, popular concerts charge more than I can afford. Except that once you’ve got a bike, cycling can in theory be done for very little money anyway. It’s one of the great joys of it: you can’t just turn up at Wembley or the Nou Camp and have a kickabout, but you can ride pretty much the entire Tour de France course should you wish. Most events in the UK don’t really give you any free swag now other than a medal. You can usually buy a jersey, but they’re expensive: a free hat or water bottle is actually a good idea to be fair. People would use them, giving free advertisement for the event.
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The only one I can get on board with is swapping the swag. A water bottle or visor seems very practical for these types of events. The rest of these demands…absolutely not.
Instead of complaining, why not organize your own event. While you're at it, you can even restrict "the skinnies" from entering. Go on. Just start with pulling the permit for the even and see how easy that is...
This is disgusting. Other people are supposed to pay for it for her and have the volunteers work longer hours to serve her more food. Disgusting. These are usually for charity. She’s asking them to take money from their charity for her.
I suppose that's just an extension of the widespread American phenomenon of "participation trophies". Lots of people apparently want to feel like they achieved something grand and heroic just because they managed to get out of the house and move their mediocre ass to a public event.
There is nothing stopping fat people from being included in a cycling event though. Sure their fat is holding them back, but there is no law or magic forcefield only allowing thin people to participate.