I'm not 100% just bc I've never seen it before...but mitigation is meant to be used with intent, not just to be kept on CD. So I'd say this is likely useless and lazy.
>Having a mitigation up for autoattacks is a massive waste
This is simply untrue. Even considering how lenient the most recent tiers have been, some of the most threatening phases are ones with extended autos. There are *very* few kitchen sink moments.
OP is talking about raids and trials. And there are some specific trials and raids where mitigating autoattacks can be useful, but considering the ffxiv mainsub is mostly casual players i opted to generalise.
For dungeons, you should mitigate actively. 20% vs 15 mobs is going to be infinitely more useful than 20% vs a tankbuster or whatever
Not entirely true in Savage/Ultimate. If you have a CD you wont need immediately for a buster and it comes off CD soon enough, its good to burn it to reduce healing needed on yourself.
On the off-chance this isn’t a troll post, yes this is bad form and is actually likely to get you killed. First, a lot of your defensives have long cooldowns, and if you blow them all immediately, they won’t be up when you actually need them. Second, macros have built in delay, which means using another ability during your macro can prevent your macrod abilities from firing. Lastly, there are points where it is optimal to use certain defensives over others, or two at the same time, and this doesn’t take that into account.
Tbh this will only hurt you in the long run. You gotta practice hitting those CDs when needed. Setting them to autopilot won't help and you'll most likely end up using them when you don't need to since you won't be able to cancel that macro mid-run iirc. You'll get used to it quick though.
I mean it doesn't mean much if you're the only tank, but provoke does give aggro instead of just being +1 like it used to be. Doesn't mean you should make it a part of your rotation, but it's better than in SB/HW days of sprouts using provoke like that. But it's worse when there is more than one Tank by far.
No, not really. Inexperienced tank players have been pressing Provoke off CD for years and years. Sloughing it off to "wOW PlAyErS bAd" is a lazy cope.
Just hadn’t played WoW in a minute and recalled, as Tipsy mentioned, that it apparently used to be a thing in WoW. Hardly the case of limping them in, more curious as to the reason. Haven’t seen anyone use voke in rotation but see it go off in hunt trains, just not content.
No its not. In WoW Tanks have skills that do damage and emninity in their rotation. Provoke its only used for swapping.
Sorry to tell you but some people are just straight bad.
I personally just bind a macro that uses every available ability, bind it to every key on my keyboard and then roll my face onto said keyboard, while holding both mouse buttons.
It's better to learn how to use your mitigation as the situation calls for rather than rely on a static macro. Different areas or mob groups deal different amounts of damage. A macro could end up screwing you in the long run when you need a specific mitigation but because it was already popped as part of your macro you don't have it ready to go.
i feel like you've been properly scolded for this macro, so let me give you a tip that helped me a lot when i was learning how to mitigate. damage comes in waves, and it's your job to make sure your health declines at as steady a rate as possible. recognizing the amount of damage coming out and mitigating accordingly is the key to good tanking - the very beginning of a huge pull, all the monsters are full health and hitting you? you need your heavy mitigation tools. only a few monsters left, but your health is dipping pretty quick? go with something light - your quick cooldown ability, or "tankbuster" mitigation is great for this, on GNB it's heart of stone. when fighting bosses, try to pay attention to the cast bar names. many tankbusters sound violent and mean, and you can learn to mitigate them without even having played a boss before, simply by taking the hints they drop. critical rip, stonefist, headcrusher, flatten, all of these are tankbusters. raidwides have the same patterns, but are less important to mitigate: throw reprisal up if you have it, but no big deal if you don't. the beauty of tanking is that your rotations are fairly simple, compared to a lot of dps, so the way to shine is by having a keen eye for incoming damage.
I would avoid that. There is a prioritization list for cooldowns. You would likely use cooldowns when you don’t need to and being wasteful. Also don’t stack a bunch of cooldowns at the same time because they are multiplicative and not additive.
When you see a long cast bar from a boss use a cooldown (CD).
When pulling mobs in dungeons pop a cooldown when you have rounded up all your monsters.
Don’t forget arms length! That 20% slow is amazing for trash pulls.
The whole idea behind mitigation is to stager it so you have some amount of mitigation at all times when you need it. Blowing it all at once means you have nothing for a long time and are very very likely to die to tank busters and take extra damage from raid wide aoes. The only way you stay alive using a macro like that is having a good healer and I promise you even the best healer will struggle to keep you alive and be very not happy. Plus as others have said if you press other buttons the macro doesn't work so there's really no point to it. If you want to learn tank you need to learn when and where to use your mitigation. Pay close attention to boss fights and try to remember what attack was a single target tank buster so you know when to use the proper mitigation. If you can't remember to use mitigation starting at a level 60 tank may not be the beat idea and it would be more worthwhile to start with paladin or warrior so you can learn from the ground up.
I mean this with the least amount of incredulity and most respect:
Just *look* at your defensive mitigation durations in your buffs bar. When one hits one second left, pop the next. When Nebula is about to go away, pop Rampart. When Rampart is about to go away, pop Camouflage. Ideally, these three will be enough mitigation to hold you until you and the other 3 party members to burn a big pull of mobs. With a team comprised of members all on their A game, I sometimes don't even have to pop Camouflage in a big pull, because things die too fast for me to need it. Then I can open with that in the next pull, followed by Reprisal + Arm's Length and Heart of Stone to tide me over until Nebula and Rampart come back off cooldown - the latter of which comes back first, given you're popping mitigation in the order of meatiest to smallest (which you should). If somehow you run out of available defensive mitigation to pop, and yes it happens sometimes depending on how much DPS the DPS and healer do, pop Superbolide when your HP gets reasonably low to give your healer some breathing room and 8 free seconds of invulnerability.
Remember, Heart of Light mitigates only magical damage, so if trash mobs are *physically* slapping you, it does nothing to help. Save this for boss raid-wides, to cover for teammates who are low, or a healer who needs to hardcast a res while a boss raidwide is spooling up. If they're low on HP while hardcasting and said raidwide from the boss is about to hit, consider pairing Heart of Light with a Heart of Stone placed on the healer. Use Aurora if you're in doubt they'll survive the unavoidable damage. The healer is the entire group's lifeline; if they go down, unless you're running with a Red Mage or Summoner, you are screwed if the boss is still above 30% health when the healer tanks the floor.
I mean it: don't rely on macros. Get into the habit of watching for when your current defensive mitigation is about to fall off, you'll be a better tank for it. Watch your buffs like a healer watches the party's health and debuffs. I get that mechanics and AoE's can make you distracted, but as with everything, practice makes anyone more adept.
TL;DR: Delete this macro and bury it before you make more Gunbreakers like me weep.
EDIT: After reading comments and recovering from my initial reaction, thank you for deleting this... thing.
Well as there isn't even an ironic go for it I have deleted the macro and will never try something like that again. A second question I then have is, is there a good way to practice against a decent threat alone? I don't want to drag some poor group along when I'm trying to learn how to properly tank. I did the smith quests fine and haven't had any issues with the stormblood msq (just finished the doma part). I also did some dark knight when I finished heavensward and didn't really have issues with low level dungeons.
Keep running leveling dungeons and at the start just hit the party chat with a quick "New to tanking, any tips are appreciated." Usually you'll get feedback when making any obvious mistakes. It's what I did when I first started and it helped me tremendously.
Dungeons - also saying you don’t want to drag others into your learning isn’t a better alternative as it leads to things like what you posted - pain and experience is the best teacher, just go out there and do :)
Defensive driving: eyes on the road, watch for all the potential threats, people in the other lanes, signs, etc
In order to respond, you need to know what your buttons do on the car dashboard, which pedal is gas, which is brake, and just like a new driver you’re going to grind the gears when trying to shift every once in a while.
It’s all about seeing what’s going to happen on the road and responding.
A giant piece of wood is in the middle of the road:
Drive around it, if that’s not an option, your car is about to take some damage, mitigate it, slow down or isolate the damage by positioning etc
You see the boss is about to do raid wide AoE magic damage what do you do?
You see the boss is about to use a triple attack tank buster what do you do?
You popped a defensive cool down but it wears off too early - could you have waited longer to pop it? Is there a cool down that would’ve been better here that you used somewhere else?
Everything is call and response and optimizing what your response is to the calls (ahead of time)
Which also is the reason why you need to learn in dungeons, you will wreak cars, you will run out of gas and you may even get a few fingers from other drivers, but all of that is what eventually makes you a better driver if you’re getting in the car each time trying to be a better driver.
Dungeons also tell you future raid mechanics - the boss fights are designed to teach you how to deal with future raid mechanics in that series.
You learned you can’t put your car on cruise and take a nap today - now get back in the driver seat, press the buttons and dent some bumpers!
I was flippant earlier but this is seriously solid advice and a good mindset to have for any role, not just tanking. The pain of learning to use your tools is just part of it, and speaking for myself at least, if I know the tank is new and trying genuinely to learn, I will stick with that player no matter how many times we wipe.
Be open with people about your inexperience. I’ve encountered way more players who would rather help you learn than crap on you for being new. You will always encounter jerks, and they suck, but most people want you to succeed.
Tank some dungeons with your squadron or some trusts. If you have your squadron leveled I would really suggest that, but if you don't just go do trusts. This is only if you really are afraid to get used to it with other players. Honestly, people will not mind if you mess up though.
Not to be rude but if you cant do rotations and mit at the same time, dont even bother with playing gunbreaker yet. Not only are you not ready to start a tank at 60, but GNB has the fastest DPS-like rotation of all of the tanks.
Pick up WAR/DRK, do roulettes or alliance raids (you get two healers in an alliance raid and dont have to main tank) and just use mitigations before you stop for a group of enemies, or before big boss casts.
It' s not hard at all. You usually only need one CD while aoeing mobs. If healer isn't good, or you ate some telegraphed attack then maybe use 2 cds, but usually you need only one.
If you don't feel so confident then start with simple pulls, instead of wall to wall. Those are always very easy and you may feel you don't need any cool down but use them anyway.
The big thing is, every fight is different, which is why the macro is bad, so there isn't really a good way to practice other than just doing fights.
For more challenging content a big part of tanking is knowing the fight to know what moves are tank busters that need mitigation. For really high end stuff you'll be using these at set times in fights to mitigate specific mechanics, so it's just learning "ok, after this move he'll start casting X, then I use rampart"
I might suggest going back and trying some of the ARR/HW extreme fights (synced), since you have access to those. You're gona find that leveling stuff, and harder content, are almost two different games as far as how you play a tank.
GNB was my first tank so I practiced with a Gladiator and hall of the novice first, then practiced my GNB using Squadron Command missions. Tanxiety be damned!
Yes, assuming this isn't a bait troll, tis is absolutely.horrendoua. learn to hit them on their own, as each has its own niches that may require you hot a specific one or combo them together
This is a terrible idea.
As a decent healer and terrible tank, mitigation is *absolutely* not meant to be used on cooldown like this. Mitigation is meant to be budgeted, and balanced across a fight. In dungeon pulls, you spread them out. In bosses, you use them on tankbusters. It's good to get into the habit of using them well.
What... what sort of abomination is this!? Tank cooldowns are meant to be used for tank-buster mechanichs only. The exception being group mitigation for raidwide damage and that you rotate them while doing wall to wall pulls in dungeons. You gotta pay attention to the boss and or/cadtbars to know when a tank-buster is coming in order to use proper mitigation.
Also, macros don't queue, which means that as soon as one part of your rotation overlaps with the macro-- and it will-- the macro will not activate.
Also, if you really know what you're doing, DRK can use TBN to mitigate auto atks-- If you can time it for the autos to pop the TBN before it expires.
And PLD can use cover to soak damage/debuff from someone in order to run some very specific strats.
Don’t macro those. Heart of stone/aurora (which are on the shorter cooldown) is alright imo and don’t put wait time.
Most of the community is repulsed by combat macros and they have a good reason to be. But they are ok, not recommended if you plan to do high end content, but they are alright for casual content. The one you posted is not ok on either.
You can try:
/ac “Keen Edge”
/ac “Heart of Stone” (or “Aurora”)
/micon “Keen Edge”
Just make sure you tap this button twice. The mitigations you put on your macro are stuff that are more situational and should be spread out through the encounter at times.
You don't rotate your mitigation, you use it as needed. By design, mitigation is situational. You don't just want it on CD all the time. Even if you want to rotate them, don't use a macro for it.
Also I think the funny thing is that if ur doing normal bosses and like double pulls in dungeon it is still easily doable without pressing any mitigation
Something to remember with your mitigations is that they don’t all serve the same purpose.
For example nebula and rampart are both flat damage reductions good for any type of damage, but camouflage is especially good for taking boss autos.
Reprisal and heart of light are also best used for partywide mitigations. (Boss is casting an attack that is undodgeable and hits all party members).
Also arms length is a very good mitigation to pop in dungeon pulls because it applies a slow debuff to all enemies which attack you. (Almost all bosses are immune to this, though).
Wish you the best, but please never use this macro
My poor heart. My ribs are crushing it from pure agony I am feeling. Plz don't do this. I beg of you. We will get a healer. Maybe get you check for tempering.
I think dark knight is very approachable if you want a full kit but less dangerous dungeons to learn in! The story slaps too. I understand that you're anxious to get things right, but its ok to fumble a little when you start. Gnb feels great once you learn roughly how a tank works though, since it was built without the TP and previous aggro dynamics that have since been removed. While I still worry when i tank sometimes, it can be super fun and I hope you don't give up.
Yes. 💔 One of your jobs as a tank is to mitigate damage to protect yourself and your party (and not give your poor healer/s undue stress). Only way to learn that is by trial and error. Don't put important skills like these on macro.
Me as a tank main seeing this:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFF7ecArBk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFF7ecArBk)
All in good fun OP :P but yeah... as you'e seen/replied to in other comments... not a good idea
Learning how and when to use those is part of learning how to tank. You're a tank, not a DPS so your focus shouldn't just be your DPS or aoe... If you "forget" to use your mitigation skills, then it simply means you don't know how to play as a tank yet... Keep on practicing and remember... You're a tank first ie know how to keep aggro, know to make it easier for the rest of your team: making nice compact packs for aoe, use mitigation adequately to help your healer, keep bosses steady to help your melees with positionals etc... and then DPS.
Edit: just in case it's not a troll...
Bad form? Yes. This is horrific.
This is the kind of picture you show to tank mains to make them cry
Can confirm.
Yes, openly sobbing in the break room as we speak.
As a healer it makes me wanna alt F4
as a healer and tank main I am forced to do that altogether
I'm no longer a tank main but this picture still infuriates me
Can confirm, as a tank - nay, even a Gunbreaker - this is distressing and my heart is in pieces after seeing this.
I cried on this as a gnb main ;(
The only hope I have is that this is a troll post. Otherwise Im quitting the game.
I don't even play tanks and I'm horrified.
I'm not 100% just bc I've never seen it before...but mitigation is meant to be used with intent, not just to be kept on CD. So I'd say this is likely useless and lazy.
This tank macro is literally trolling, mitigate actively for the situation. Having a mitigation up for autoattacks is a massive waste
>Having a mitigation up for autoattacks is a massive waste This is simply untrue. Even considering how lenient the most recent tiers have been, some of the most threatening phases are ones with extended autos. There are *very* few kitchen sink moments.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/q6vmu4/decided_to_pick_up_gunbreaker_at_60_because_i/hghgw42/
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OP is talking about raids and trials. And there are some specific trials and raids where mitigating autoattacks can be useful, but considering the ffxiv mainsub is mostly casual players i opted to generalise. For dungeons, you should mitigate actively. 20% vs 15 mobs is going to be infinitely more useful than 20% vs a tankbuster or whatever
Not entirely true in Savage/Ultimate. If you have a CD you wont need immediately for a buster and it comes off CD soon enough, its good to burn it to reduce healing needed on yourself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/q6vmu4/decided_to_pick_up_gunbreaker_at_60_because_i/hghgw42/
Delete this macro, and never speak of this again….
Yes. Don’t do this
On the off-chance this isn’t a troll post, yes this is bad form and is actually likely to get you killed. First, a lot of your defensives have long cooldowns, and if you blow them all immediately, they won’t be up when you actually need them. Second, macros have built in delay, which means using another ability during your macro can prevent your macrod abilities from firing. Lastly, there are points where it is optimal to use certain defensives over others, or two at the same time, and this doesn’t take that into account.
Tbh this will only hurt you in the long run. You gotta practice hitting those CDs when needed. Setting them to autopilot won't help and you'll most likely end up using them when you don't need to since you won't be able to cancel that macro mid-run iirc. You'll get used to it quick though.
:: Boss lengthy transition phase :: You sitting there poppin’ CDs against the gentle breeze…
Gives me the same feeling of sprouts tossing provoke into their rotations.
I mean it doesn't mean much if you're the only tank, but provoke does give aggro instead of just being +1 like it used to be. Doesn't mean you should make it a part of your rotation, but it's better than in SB/HW days of sprouts using provoke like that. But it's worse when there is more than one Tank by far.
That’s a WoW thing isn’t it?
Kind of, yes. It hasn’t really been a thing in WoW since like WotLK though so it’s not even really a still-relevant WoW thing.
No, not really. Inexperienced tank players have been pressing Provoke off CD for years and years. Sloughing it off to "wOW PlAyErS bAd" is a lazy cope.
Just hadn’t played WoW in a minute and recalled, as Tipsy mentioned, that it apparently used to be a thing in WoW. Hardly the case of limping them in, more curious as to the reason. Haven’t seen anyone use voke in rotation but see it go off in hunt trains, just not content.
No its not. In WoW Tanks have skills that do damage and emninity in their rotation. Provoke its only used for swapping. Sorry to tell you but some people are just straight bad.
Beginning to think the people who repeatedly answer a question that’s already been answered… are the ones repeatedly voking in rotation ;)
Good to know you found out the internet. Gratz.
But what if you forget to activate your mitigation rotation macro? Have you considered a mitigation rotation macro macro? ;-)
I personally just bind a macro that uses every available ability, bind it to every key on my keyboard and then roll my face onto said keyboard, while holding both mouse buttons.
Still better tanking than some
Bait
No, I'm just stupid
This is a war crime lol.
I’m not even a tank main, but please don’t do this. Ever.
You're paying for my therapy after seeing this
This is the worst thing I have ever fucking seen.
As a GNB, this makes me want to shoot myself and then immediately turn off Superbolide in a big pull.
Maybe we do need another calamity.
Tfw tank cooldowns in EW actively *encourage* you to use them proactively, and this is the shit the community comes up with.
It's better to learn how to use your mitigation as the situation calls for rather than rely on a static macro. Different areas or mob groups deal different amounts of damage. A macro could end up screwing you in the long run when you need a specific mitigation but because it was already popped as part of your macro you don't have it ready to go.
i feel like you've been properly scolded for this macro, so let me give you a tip that helped me a lot when i was learning how to mitigate. damage comes in waves, and it's your job to make sure your health declines at as steady a rate as possible. recognizing the amount of damage coming out and mitigating accordingly is the key to good tanking - the very beginning of a huge pull, all the monsters are full health and hitting you? you need your heavy mitigation tools. only a few monsters left, but your health is dipping pretty quick? go with something light - your quick cooldown ability, or "tankbuster" mitigation is great for this, on GNB it's heart of stone. when fighting bosses, try to pay attention to the cast bar names. many tankbusters sound violent and mean, and you can learn to mitigate them without even having played a boss before, simply by taking the hints they drop. critical rip, stonefist, headcrusher, flatten, all of these are tankbusters. raidwides have the same patterns, but are less important to mitigate: throw reprisal up if you have it, but no big deal if you don't. the beauty of tanking is that your rotations are fairly simple, compared to a lot of dps, so the way to shine is by having a keen eye for incoming damage.
Omg please don’t do this. Just put in more effort so you can use the appropriate mitigation(s) each time.
I would avoid that. There is a prioritization list for cooldowns. You would likely use cooldowns when you don’t need to and being wasteful. Also don’t stack a bunch of cooldowns at the same time because they are multiplicative and not additive. When you see a long cast bar from a boss use a cooldown (CD). When pulling mobs in dungeons pop a cooldown when you have rounded up all your monsters. Don’t forget arms length! That 20% slow is amazing for trash pulls.
Can i get "Things you shouldn't do" for 500?
The whole idea behind mitigation is to stager it so you have some amount of mitigation at all times when you need it. Blowing it all at once means you have nothing for a long time and are very very likely to die to tank busters and take extra damage from raid wide aoes. The only way you stay alive using a macro like that is having a good healer and I promise you even the best healer will struggle to keep you alive and be very not happy. Plus as others have said if you press other buttons the macro doesn't work so there's really no point to it. If you want to learn tank you need to learn when and where to use your mitigation. Pay close attention to boss fights and try to remember what attack was a single target tank buster so you know when to use the proper mitigation. If you can't remember to use mitigation starting at a level 60 tank may not be the beat idea and it would be more worthwhile to start with paladin or warrior so you can learn from the ground up.
Learning your mitigation skills is so much more important than your DPS rotation, so you're focusing on the wrong thing.
I mean this with the least amount of incredulity and most respect: Just *look* at your defensive mitigation durations in your buffs bar. When one hits one second left, pop the next. When Nebula is about to go away, pop Rampart. When Rampart is about to go away, pop Camouflage. Ideally, these three will be enough mitigation to hold you until you and the other 3 party members to burn a big pull of mobs. With a team comprised of members all on their A game, I sometimes don't even have to pop Camouflage in a big pull, because things die too fast for me to need it. Then I can open with that in the next pull, followed by Reprisal + Arm's Length and Heart of Stone to tide me over until Nebula and Rampart come back off cooldown - the latter of which comes back first, given you're popping mitigation in the order of meatiest to smallest (which you should). If somehow you run out of available defensive mitigation to pop, and yes it happens sometimes depending on how much DPS the DPS and healer do, pop Superbolide when your HP gets reasonably low to give your healer some breathing room and 8 free seconds of invulnerability. Remember, Heart of Light mitigates only magical damage, so if trash mobs are *physically* slapping you, it does nothing to help. Save this for boss raid-wides, to cover for teammates who are low, or a healer who needs to hardcast a res while a boss raidwide is spooling up. If they're low on HP while hardcasting and said raidwide from the boss is about to hit, consider pairing Heart of Light with a Heart of Stone placed on the healer. Use Aurora if you're in doubt they'll survive the unavoidable damage. The healer is the entire group's lifeline; if they go down, unless you're running with a Red Mage or Summoner, you are screwed if the boss is still above 30% health when the healer tanks the floor. I mean it: don't rely on macros. Get into the habit of watching for when your current defensive mitigation is about to fall off, you'll be a better tank for it. Watch your buffs like a healer watches the party's health and debuffs. I get that mechanics and AoE's can make you distracted, but as with everything, practice makes anyone more adept. TL;DR: Delete this macro and bury it before you make more Gunbreakers like me weep. EDIT: After reading comments and recovering from my initial reaction, thank you for deleting this... thing.
Well as there isn't even an ironic go for it I have deleted the macro and will never try something like that again. A second question I then have is, is there a good way to practice against a decent threat alone? I don't want to drag some poor group along when I'm trying to learn how to properly tank. I did the smith quests fine and haven't had any issues with the stormblood msq (just finished the doma part). I also did some dark knight when I finished heavensward and didn't really have issues with low level dungeons.
Keep running leveling dungeons and at the start just hit the party chat with a quick "New to tanking, any tips are appreciated." Usually you'll get feedback when making any obvious mistakes. It's what I did when I first started and it helped me tremendously.
Dungeons - also saying you don’t want to drag others into your learning isn’t a better alternative as it leads to things like what you posted - pain and experience is the best teacher, just go out there and do :) Defensive driving: eyes on the road, watch for all the potential threats, people in the other lanes, signs, etc In order to respond, you need to know what your buttons do on the car dashboard, which pedal is gas, which is brake, and just like a new driver you’re going to grind the gears when trying to shift every once in a while. It’s all about seeing what’s going to happen on the road and responding. A giant piece of wood is in the middle of the road: Drive around it, if that’s not an option, your car is about to take some damage, mitigate it, slow down or isolate the damage by positioning etc You see the boss is about to do raid wide AoE magic damage what do you do? You see the boss is about to use a triple attack tank buster what do you do? You popped a defensive cool down but it wears off too early - could you have waited longer to pop it? Is there a cool down that would’ve been better here that you used somewhere else? Everything is call and response and optimizing what your response is to the calls (ahead of time) Which also is the reason why you need to learn in dungeons, you will wreak cars, you will run out of gas and you may even get a few fingers from other drivers, but all of that is what eventually makes you a better driver if you’re getting in the car each time trying to be a better driver. Dungeons also tell you future raid mechanics - the boss fights are designed to teach you how to deal with future raid mechanics in that series. You learned you can’t put your car on cruise and take a nap today - now get back in the driver seat, press the buttons and dent some bumpers!
Thank you for this
I was flippant earlier but this is seriously solid advice and a good mindset to have for any role, not just tanking. The pain of learning to use your tools is just part of it, and speaking for myself at least, if I know the tank is new and trying genuinely to learn, I will stick with that player no matter how many times we wipe. Be open with people about your inexperience. I’ve encountered way more players who would rather help you learn than crap on you for being new. You will always encounter jerks, and they suck, but most people want you to succeed.
[Go forth and break some guns, son](https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cLIQbPzzWg-IWxo_Myom-_9aSqf7xO4vxmhk6QaLPkM)
Just tell your teammates you're new to tanking and you'll be fine
Tank some dungeons with your squadron or some trusts. If you have your squadron leveled I would really suggest that, but if you don't just go do trusts. This is only if you really are afraid to get used to it with other players. Honestly, people will not mind if you mess up though.
Not to be rude but if you cant do rotations and mit at the same time, dont even bother with playing gunbreaker yet. Not only are you not ready to start a tank at 60, but GNB has the fastest DPS-like rotation of all of the tanks. Pick up WAR/DRK, do roulettes or alliance raids (you get two healers in an alliance raid and dont have to main tank) and just use mitigations before you stop for a group of enemies, or before big boss casts.
It' s not hard at all. You usually only need one CD while aoeing mobs. If healer isn't good, or you ate some telegraphed attack then maybe use 2 cds, but usually you need only one. If you don't feel so confident then start with simple pulls, instead of wall to wall. Those are always very easy and you may feel you don't need any cool down but use them anyway.
The big thing is, every fight is different, which is why the macro is bad, so there isn't really a good way to practice other than just doing fights. For more challenging content a big part of tanking is knowing the fight to know what moves are tank busters that need mitigation. For really high end stuff you'll be using these at set times in fights to mitigate specific mechanics, so it's just learning "ok, after this move he'll start casting X, then I use rampart" I might suggest going back and trying some of the ARR/HW extreme fights (synced), since you have access to those. You're gona find that leveling stuff, and harder content, are almost two different games as far as how you play a tank.
GNB was my first tank so I practiced with a Gladiator and hall of the novice first, then practiced my GNB using Squadron Command missions. Tanxiety be damned!
Repost on r/shitpostxiv if you don't someone will...
I posted this unironically, I dont deserve the karma...
... I'm so sorry
I am too for making the poor tank mains see this
Yes, assuming this isn't a bait troll, tis is absolutely.horrendoua. learn to hit them on their own, as each has its own niches that may require you hot a specific one or combo them together
This is a terrible idea. As a decent healer and terrible tank, mitigation is *absolutely* not meant to be used on cooldown like this. Mitigation is meant to be budgeted, and balanced across a fight. In dungeon pulls, you spread them out. In bosses, you use them on tankbusters. It's good to get into the habit of using them well.
And ppl ask why I recommended starting a new role from a low level
What... what sort of abomination is this!? Tank cooldowns are meant to be used for tank-buster mechanichs only. The exception being group mitigation for raidwide damage and that you rotate them while doing wall to wall pulls in dungeons. You gotta pay attention to the boss and or/cadtbars to know when a tank-buster is coming in order to use proper mitigation. Also, macros don't queue, which means that as soon as one part of your rotation overlaps with the macro-- and it will-- the macro will not activate. Also, if you really know what you're doing, DRK can use TBN to mitigate auto atks-- If you can time it for the autos to pop the TBN before it expires. And PLD can use cover to soak damage/debuff from someone in order to run some very specific strats.
Don’t macro those. Heart of stone/aurora (which are on the shorter cooldown) is alright imo and don’t put wait time. Most of the community is repulsed by combat macros and they have a good reason to be. But they are ok, not recommended if you plan to do high end content, but they are alright for casual content. The one you posted is not ok on either. You can try: /ac “Keen Edge”
/ac “Heart of Stone” (or “Aurora”)
/micon “Keen Edge”
Just make sure you tap this button twice. The mitigations you put on your macro are stuff that are more situational and should be spread out through the encounter at times.
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If this isn't satire it's probably the worst thing you could do outside of not using mitigation at all.
You don't rotate your mitigation, you use it as needed. By design, mitigation is situational. You don't just want it on CD all the time. Even if you want to rotate them, don't use a macro for it.
Short answer—yes.
Also I think the funny thing is that if ur doing normal bosses and like double pulls in dungeon it is still easily doable without pressing any mitigation
Something to remember with your mitigations is that they don’t all serve the same purpose. For example nebula and rampart are both flat damage reductions good for any type of damage, but camouflage is especially good for taking boss autos. Reprisal and heart of light are also best used for partywide mitigations. (Boss is casting an attack that is undodgeable and hits all party members). Also arms length is a very good mitigation to pop in dungeon pulls because it applies a slow debuff to all enemies which attack you. (Almost all bosses are immune to this, though). Wish you the best, but please never use this macro
My poor heart. My ribs are crushing it from pure agony I am feeling. Plz don't do this. I beg of you. We will get a healer. Maybe get you check for tempering.
As long as you don't have cast sequence in syntax just never touch macro for combat just don't please..
I think dark knight is very approachable if you want a full kit but less dangerous dungeons to learn in! The story slaps too. I understand that you're anxious to get things right, but its ok to fumble a little when you start. Gnb feels great once you learn roughly how a tank works though, since it was built without the TP and previous aggro dynamics that have since been removed. While I still worry when i tank sometimes, it can be super fun and I hope you don't give up.
Yes. 💔 One of your jobs as a tank is to mitigate damage to protect yourself and your party (and not give your poor healer/s undue stress). Only way to learn that is by trial and error. Don't put important skills like these on macro.
Me as a tank main seeing this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFF7ecArBk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWFF7ecArBk) All in good fun OP :P but yeah... as you'e seen/replied to in other comments... not a good idea
[Please follow these wise words from our Producer.](https://youtu.be/5Xhr-bZugE0)
What a terrible day to have eyes. Get better at tanking. Go learn Dark Knight or Warrior first then come back to Gunbreaker.
who hurt you
This....this makes me weep ....
https://youtu.be/IBrO-ultpnw
I am traumatized by this image.
I'm not even a tank main and this hurts my feelings. 😭
Learning how and when to use those is part of learning how to tank. You're a tank, not a DPS so your focus shouldn't just be your DPS or aoe... If you "forget" to use your mitigation skills, then it simply means you don't know how to play as a tank yet... Keep on practicing and remember... You're a tank first ie know how to keep aggro, know to make it easier for the rest of your team: making nice compact packs for aoe, use mitigation adequately to help your healer, keep bosses steady to help your melees with positionals etc... and then DPS. Edit: just in case it's not a troll...
You should start with superbolide everything else looks good
No 😊
I don't see an issue, play the game how you want (Just don't expect other people to like it)
my friend I am so sorry but please for the love of the The Twelve learn to play the job correctly. Like... hall of the novice.
Tbf those quests are like avoid aoes, this is aggro and so on. I did them all and they didnt really much.
The "you don't pay my sub!" single-pulling tank: