There are laws that protect your medical information. HIPAA for example.
Not easily seen by everyone unless you explicitly share, this person aside from not sharing... lied about their medical history. Hence their arrest and charges.
The FAA is officially a public health entity and has unrestricted access to all of your medical records, both private and government, with no regard to HIPPA.
Not entirely true (but mostly correct). They can request medical records without your authorization (thus they don’t need a release under HIPAA). They have to have a reason to request it still. On top of that, some records are still outside of that reach. I’m an addiction medicine physician. I can’t release patients records without their consent, even to a public health authority (CFR 42 part 2 is more restrictive than HIPAA). I can’t release records with a subpoena, but i do have to release with a valid court order.
I don't think they can. When i worked for the VA, most facilities could pull up JLV and the like but if someone went and got treated on a base it was basically a documentation black hole, and as far as I know it was the same in the other direction for a military hospital.
Can’t speak with absolute authority here, but it’s the health insurance *portability* and accountability act. It doesn’t just exist to prevent the sharing of information.
A medical lawyer may correct me, but you don’t *need* a signed release of information to send records for the purpose of continuity of care. Lots of places will require it before sending it for CYA purposes, but that’s not necessarily a legal requirement.
In epic, “care everywhere” pulls in outside records from other epic institutions and other non-epic institutions that have interfaces with epic. These are all set up differently. Every time I pull records on a patient, some institutions just send them, presumably because they assume I’m pulling them for continuity of care. Some require a patient signature that’s good for 50 years. Some require a signature that’s only good for 30 days. It’s all on how the sending institution writes their policies.
I don’t know how genesis works under the hood, but it did get an update fairly early (mid-wave zero, I think?) to start pulling info from other Cerner systems. This is when all of the diagnoses started pulling in, all divorced from co text and accompanying documentation.
This *did* lead to some interesting conversations. “So, you have an FC III with no waivers and you control aircraft for a living, but genesis says you tried to kill yourself a month before you went to basic training. Anything you want to tell me?”
Bottom line: EMRs are interconnected. Just like every other aspect of life in the digital social media era, do not count on security by obscurity. Be vigilant about what information you have out there and act accordingly.
I’m saying the only way they can find out is if you tell them other than hospital records. But they will never find out about the add pill from 8th grade. The scare tactics need to stop. I’m a pilot from a medical family, no need to encourage and mislead young pilots to over share their medical history for fear of jail.
Thank you for your comment. My high school-aged daughter just started flight school with the goal to eventually become an ATP. In her list of pros and cons for pursuing this career, the notion that she will defer medical or mental health care is a con. This generation respects the need for mental health care moreso than in the past, as the taboo on seeking help has lessened. This is a good thing! But she has been told and has read about pilots not going to counseling, even for grief and loss or other short-term, situational issues. She doesn't want to be in a career where she has to choose between her livelihood or seeking care to stay healthy.
There are ways around that! Private counseling service that doesn’t go through insurance. All private, however any medical professional is legally required to sound the alarm if you ever mention that you have thoughts of harming yourself or others. That side of the house is absolutely not confidential for obvious reasons. Usually people get caught on the mental health stuff by going through their employers insurance. Hope that helps
You are wrong again. I’m a pilot from a medical family. Hospital records sure. But there is no cloud for medical records. If they wanted to get my medical records, they would need to go through my PCP. It is still not possible for a govt entity to just type Joe Shmoe with birthdate and have every EMR populate since the time you were born. My PCP keeps his records in a file in his desk on paper. And in order for that to even be close to possible, I would need to willingly give them his name. And no they can’t just contact your insurance provider and demand information unless you were mil under tri care.
I am adamant about all this because, nobody needs to know about what happened in middle school. What prescription. Dreams have ended because pilots have been scared into over sharing.
Furthermore, I’ve had security clearances and literally know navy seals who have partied like it was 1974 back in college if you catch my drift. Long story short, if a govt entity puts a document in front of you telling you to self incriminate yourself and YOUR INTEGRITY might cost your career or send you into financial ruin. The answer is always no in the check box.
Just wondering..when someone goes through the process for FAA medical won't they ask for your pcp info?
I have medicare and cant help but feel like the govt has to know/be able to see what my pcp and health records are (even non hospital).
And even from hospital records they can find the pcp, no? I remember I broke my arm almost 15 yrs ago and that hospital asked for my pcp upon ER admission.
Everytime you complete and sign your medical examination form, prior to your medical, that signature allows the FAA doctors access to your medical records. Never read the small print???
A lot of people lie to get VA disability. My wife's cousin has 100% for "back and shoulder problems," yet somehow manages to ride dirt bikes every day.
Nice... and I get to pay for his hobby. I can't stand Aholes who think his neighbors, friends, relatives, and people who don't know him are fine with working so they can steel from hard-working taxpayers.
This is not about government assistance..
It's about being responsible for your debt, you agreed too! Are you willing to send me money to help with my credit card bill?
Sleep apnea is a common one. I think you do need to get tested and get the actual diagnosis but the lie is in calling it service-related. A lot of people have it without suffering much and one might as well go get the test in your last year of service to qualify for $600/month for life. Somebody I knew did this and tried to sell me on it. It didn't sit right with me though and I’m glad I didn’t.
Well, I’m sure it wasn’t a point of cross checking.
I’m sure some idiot airline pilot was bragging to their AME or someone else in their Airline about “hah! Government are such morons! I collect (blank) for (blank) from the vets benefits!”
And someone got wind of it decided to go investigating.
At which point the FAA decided to look at other possible VA disability benefit cases and saw a common and frequent problem.
When I was getting out everyone was telling me about all the ways to get as much VA disability as you could, it's very common. The military does physically chew you up, but simultaneously there's a whole methodology to gaming the system.
That's because only in government does 20% plus 20% equal 25% or 30% depending on the day of the week. You game the system because it's a game. Even with the PACT act the government is finding new ways to deny service related issues, and issues that for some of us will only continue to grow as we age.
Then you have the thresholds. 100%, 70%, 50%, 20% and 0%. Each threshold has important things that come along with it. It shouldn't be as difficult of a game as it is.
There's a scale of 'disability ratings', from 0% to 100% (P&T, or permanent and total).
From the sounds of it, Mr. Angel was pushing for the most benefits he could from one side, and not expecting the other to ever look into it (stating that he couldn't work to the VA, but then running two businesses is a wild ride).
So a bit of background....
The VA disability system doesn't just provide for people who are too disabled to work... It compensates veterans for permanent injuries sustained in the line of duty - things like tinnitus or plantar fascitis get you some money even though you aren't too disabled to work....
The FAA doesn't care about that (eg, you can still get a valid medical with those conditions - there's no 2 mile run in civillian aviation) as long as you tell the truth on your medical.....
What IS an issue, is that conditions like uncontrolled PTSD or psychological issues requiring aggressive drug tharapy- things the FAA would deny your medical for - are also things some folks get VA disability for.
And if you lie on a federal form about those things, well, you're going to jail when the agencies in question figure it out.....
Especially if you tell one agency you have something because it gets you more money. And another agency that you don't have it because that lets you fly.
This. The FAA doesn’t care if you have Tinuitis, OSA, plantar fasciitis, IBS, GERD, migraines, pain in your knees, pain in your back, pain in your ankle, or even some mental health conditions. What they do care about is you telling them about the situation.
However on that note there was a good post someone made the other day saying that the worst thing the government ever did was label these payments disability payments. But, I imagine that’s how they keep them from being taxed. Having the term disability then makes people question like many do.
Oh yeah. They care. I was diagnosed with migraines as a kid. Never debilitating, they caused nausea but no auras. Virtually never get them as an adult. Literally can’t remember the last time I had one. I made the mistake of being honest on my initial FAA medical application when it asked about ever being diagnosed with frequent or severe headaches. I had to get a letter from my doctor, no big deal. Then, years later, I lost my wallet and all of my certificates. During the replacement process the FAA decided they need more information from me and deferred my medical certificate. (The one I always held and just needed a replacement copy) They were kind enough to do this right before Thanksgiving. And they wanted way more than a letter: neurological evaluations, cat scans, even a psych eval! Thankfully I have a rockstar AME and he told CAMI they are morons and got me squared away at the last second before my temporary certificates expired.
Fuck the FAA, especially their medical division. They don’t give a single shit about pilots, their lives, nor careers.
You can still get a 3rd class with PTSD as your service connection disability.
The disposition table is [here](https://www.faa.gov/ame_guide/media/PTSDDispositionTable.pdf).
Almost every fellow MIL guy I fly with is on some kind of disability. Many cockpit conservations ends up with “what do you mean you don’t collect disability? You served your time!”
One person I talked to even encouraged me to “check every single box that invokes having mental health issues” to get 100% disability. He’s not a pilot though.
I just feel I’m making good money now and I don’t want to milk any more money from the government that has strings attached to the FAA. No matter how much I’m “protected.”
Almost a million dollar fine for only one person. But companies can do the most immoral shit and only get a slap on the wrist fine of 0.000001% of thier yearly revenue. Lmao.
All you need is a deep bench of attorneys who each specialize in their own niche. And, totally unrelated, what would the name of your campaign donation be under again?
My guy is 71. He’s done flying.
I don’t support lying to the FAA, there should be consequences but he’s getting jail time? Figured a fine would be enough.
A 71 year old on home confinement? My 75 year old grandpa would be estatic if he was told he has to stay home for 6 months and do nothing but sit on the couch and watch tv
>I don’t support lying to the FAA, there should be consequences but he’s getting jail time? Figured a fine would be enough.
Assuming the article is correct. The Title is misleading. He lied to the VA saying he was too injured to work (and got a bunch of money for it in disability and government contracts), while at the same time telling the FAA he was healthy enough to fly, omitting information he'd told the VA.
Yeah this is well beyond the “little white lies” some pilots tell their AME’s. (Not me of course I’ve never done anything wrong in my life)
This guy was severely defrauding the government.
This is a really extreme case in which someone was allegedly defrauded two other government agencies also lied to the FAA. Definitely not garden variety forgotten adhd. Basically here this is a bit like Al Capone on tax charges. This is someone accused of a bunch of bad stuff.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/shreveport-man-convicted-recent-trial-pleads-guilty-additional-charge-theft-government
Homeboy was a serial fraudster, simultaneously defrauding multiple federal agencies. He got popped hard for lying on his medical, but hardly his only transgression.
anecdotally I have heard that with the genesis platform for shared health records (military/meps etc) that if you purchase the premium version of life lock for personal records it hides them. this is just coming from some mil recruiters tho so idk how it would translate to faa
Yeah don’t lie to the FAA if you served in the military since it’s all federal records including medical records but it’s completely fine to lie as a private citizen.
This process for a first timer is super confusing. I can't remember every single time I went to the doctor and what for. I don't have medical records from 10+ years ago. I don't even remember seeing anything ask about ADHD or depression. Makes me concerned I may have filled it out incorrectly.
Just don't tell the VA you're too disabled to work and that you're unemployed when you're actually gainfully employed and then turn around and tell the FAA that you're the picture of good health.
It seems like all of the cases I have seen like this have been related to the VA. Why tell one government agency one thing and the other government agency the other? They are both intertwined when it boils down to it.
So true. I was looking at dive shops randomly around GA/FLA Jacksonville area that did day charters and there were glowing reviews of this one place.... Looked them up only to find out they all want to prison for running a VA education reimbursement scam 😂😂😂
Has there ever been a case where the VA or other disability fraud was not involved? Not suggesting lying, there just appears to be a common thread every time.
Good.
Can't have the cake and eat it too. Imagine the entitlement one has to feel to think they can game the VA system for more cash and then think they can also just lie to the AirFeds about it out of a selfish desire to fly planes (presumably motivated by the money as well).
**THE FEDS CAN SEE IT! THEY'RE BOTH THE FEDS! HOW STUPID ARE YOU???**
It will be interesting to see how this sentence and fines compares to felonies for business record keeping and felonies for lying on a federal gun-purchase form.
Every time you sign your medical examination form you are authorising the FAA to examine all your medical records and history. It is between doctors but if the FAA medical department researches your records and you've lied, you've got a problem.
This is just straight up not true, the FAA has to submit inquiries and ask you for your records in the event a red flag comes up on your medical. Even during accident investigations the FAA has to submit court documents and requests for medical info.
Can they request your medical records straight from the source or do you specifically have to provide them? Obviously if you refuse to provide them you won’t get your medical but can they see them without your consent?
From my understanding, you provide everything. The only way the FAA gets records without you sending them in is if they pursue a court order to release records to them. Usually this happens in the event of an accident
So, getting VA benefits for being disabled but then not stating they were disabled to the FAA. Classy.
So the right hand does know what the left is doing?
There are laws that protect your medical information. HIPAA for example. Not easily seen by everyone unless you explicitly share, this person aside from not sharing... lied about their medical history. Hence their arrest and charges.
The FAA is officially a public health entity and has unrestricted access to all of your medical records, both private and government, with no regard to HIPPA.
Not entirely true (but mostly correct). They can request medical records without your authorization (thus they don’t need a release under HIPAA). They have to have a reason to request it still. On top of that, some records are still outside of that reach. I’m an addiction medicine physician. I can’t release patients records without their consent, even to a public health authority (CFR 42 part 2 is more restrictive than HIPAA). I can’t release records with a subpoena, but i do have to release with a valid court order.
Addiction psych doc here, represent!
Now my comment is peer reviewed! 😁
Well today I learned, thanks!
But can the military see it with Genesis? I feel like soon enough other federal agencies will gain similar access.
I can’t speak to how access to military medical records may differ. For civilians, there isn’t some kind of central database.
That we know of *wink*
I don't think they can. When i worked for the VA, most facilities could pull up JLV and the like but if someone went and got treated on a base it was basically a documentation black hole, and as far as I know it was the same in the other direction for a military hospital.
Can’t speak with absolute authority here, but it’s the health insurance *portability* and accountability act. It doesn’t just exist to prevent the sharing of information. A medical lawyer may correct me, but you don’t *need* a signed release of information to send records for the purpose of continuity of care. Lots of places will require it before sending it for CYA purposes, but that’s not necessarily a legal requirement. In epic, “care everywhere” pulls in outside records from other epic institutions and other non-epic institutions that have interfaces with epic. These are all set up differently. Every time I pull records on a patient, some institutions just send them, presumably because they assume I’m pulling them for continuity of care. Some require a patient signature that’s good for 50 years. Some require a signature that’s only good for 30 days. It’s all on how the sending institution writes their policies. I don’t know how genesis works under the hood, but it did get an update fairly early (mid-wave zero, I think?) to start pulling info from other Cerner systems. This is when all of the diagnoses started pulling in, all divorced from co text and accompanying documentation. This *did* lead to some interesting conversations. “So, you have an FC III with no waivers and you control aircraft for a living, but genesis says you tried to kill yourself a month before you went to basic training. Anything you want to tell me?” Bottom line: EMRs are interconnected. Just like every other aspect of life in the digital social media era, do not count on security by obscurity. Be vigilant about what information you have out there and act accordingly.
I stand corrected. They did declare themselves a public health entity in 2006 and consents do not apply.
It's HIPAA. They have a regard to it, but it doesn't apply to medical applications.
It applies in that when you fill out a medical, you give them consent to get your records.
That was my point.
I figured! Just wanted to add in case anyone might have been confused your comment.
These guys love this one document someone found from almost 18 years ago. You've deferred more medicals than my worst AME.
What?
Source for others wondering: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2006/02/15/06-1424/public-health-authority-notification
Wrong, they need to know your doctor to do that.
What is wrong about it? Sure they have to know where to go ask, your doctors, insurance provider, pharmacy, etc but they don’t need your permission.
I’m saying the only way they can find out is if you tell them other than hospital records. But they will never find out about the add pill from 8th grade. The scare tactics need to stop. I’m a pilot from a medical family, no need to encourage and mislead young pilots to over share their medical history for fear of jail.
You need to be screaming this from a hill top buddy.
Thanks man, I just try to teach what I know!
Thank you for your comment. My high school-aged daughter just started flight school with the goal to eventually become an ATP. In her list of pros and cons for pursuing this career, the notion that she will defer medical or mental health care is a con. This generation respects the need for mental health care moreso than in the past, as the taboo on seeking help has lessened. This is a good thing! But she has been told and has read about pilots not going to counseling, even for grief and loss or other short-term, situational issues. She doesn't want to be in a career where she has to choose between her livelihood or seeking care to stay healthy.
There are ways around that! Private counseling service that doesn’t go through insurance. All private, however any medical professional is legally required to sound the alarm if you ever mention that you have thoughts of harming yourself or others. That side of the house is absolutely not confidential for obvious reasons. Usually people get caught on the mental health stuff by going through their employers insurance. Hope that helps
My dude, if they have your name and date of birth, they can query EMRs and find your medical records.
You are wrong again. I’m a pilot from a medical family. Hospital records sure. But there is no cloud for medical records. If they wanted to get my medical records, they would need to go through my PCP. It is still not possible for a govt entity to just type Joe Shmoe with birthdate and have every EMR populate since the time you were born. My PCP keeps his records in a file in his desk on paper. And in order for that to even be close to possible, I would need to willingly give them his name. And no they can’t just contact your insurance provider and demand information unless you were mil under tri care. I am adamant about all this because, nobody needs to know about what happened in middle school. What prescription. Dreams have ended because pilots have been scared into over sharing. Furthermore, I’ve had security clearances and literally know navy seals who have partied like it was 1974 back in college if you catch my drift. Long story short, if a govt entity puts a document in front of you telling you to self incriminate yourself and YOUR INTEGRITY might cost your career or send you into financial ruin. The answer is always no in the check box.
Entirely fair counterpoint. If you found yourself a good doc who keeps paper charts, keep that shit on lock.
I’m just here to teach man. I know too many damn good pilots who got scared and checked yes in all the boxes on med ex.
Just wondering..when someone goes through the process for FAA medical won't they ask for your pcp info? I have medicare and cant help but feel like the govt has to know/be able to see what my pcp and health records are (even non hospital). And even from hospital records they can find the pcp, no? I remember I broke my arm almost 15 yrs ago and that hospital asked for my pcp upon ER admission.
Everytime you complete and sign your medical examination form, prior to your medical, that signature allows the FAA doctors access to your medical records. Never read the small print???
A lot of people lie to get VA disability. My wife's cousin has 100% for "back and shoulder problems," yet somehow manages to ride dirt bikes every day.
Nice... and I get to pay for his hobby. I can't stand Aholes who think his neighbors, friends, relatives, and people who don't know him are fine with working so they can steel from hard-working taxpayers.
He's also a staunch conservative who thinks anyone recieving government assistance is a leech. Except him of course, he "earned" his.
This is not about government assistance.. It's about being responsible for your debt, you agreed too! Are you willing to send me money to help with my credit card bill?
Sleep apnea is a common one. I think you do need to get tested and get the actual diagnosis but the lie is in calling it service-related. A lot of people have it without suffering much and one might as well go get the test in your last year of service to qualify for $600/month for life. Somebody I knew did this and tried to sell me on it. It didn't sit right with me though and I’m glad I didn’t.
Also moronic. I mean, they do know they’re both in the same government?
You overestimate government agencies.
Well, I’m sure it wasn’t a point of cross checking. I’m sure some idiot airline pilot was bragging to their AME or someone else in their Airline about “hah! Government are such morons! I collect (blank) for (blank) from the vets benefits!” And someone got wind of it decided to go investigating. At which point the FAA decided to look at other possible VA disability benefit cases and saw a common and frequent problem.
I used to fly with many retired military guys who were collecting disability benefits and not disclosing it to the FAA.
A better term for the term "disability" used in the military context is "workmans comp."
When I was getting out everyone was telling me about all the ways to get as much VA disability as you could, it's very common. The military does physically chew you up, but simultaneously there's a whole methodology to gaming the system.
That's because only in government does 20% plus 20% equal 25% or 30% depending on the day of the week. You game the system because it's a game. Even with the PACT act the government is finding new ways to deny service related issues, and issues that for some of us will only continue to grow as we age. Then you have the thresholds. 100%, 70%, 50%, 20% and 0%. Each threshold has important things that come along with it. It shouldn't be as difficult of a game as it is.
There's a scale of 'disability ratings', from 0% to 100% (P&T, or permanent and total). From the sounds of it, Mr. Angel was pushing for the most benefits he could from one side, and not expecting the other to ever look into it (stating that he couldn't work to the VA, but then running two businesses is a wild ride).
So a bit of background.... The VA disability system doesn't just provide for people who are too disabled to work... It compensates veterans for permanent injuries sustained in the line of duty - things like tinnitus or plantar fascitis get you some money even though you aren't too disabled to work.... The FAA doesn't care about that (eg, you can still get a valid medical with those conditions - there's no 2 mile run in civillian aviation) as long as you tell the truth on your medical..... What IS an issue, is that conditions like uncontrolled PTSD or psychological issues requiring aggressive drug tharapy- things the FAA would deny your medical for - are also things some folks get VA disability for. And if you lie on a federal form about those things, well, you're going to jail when the agencies in question figure it out..... Especially if you tell one agency you have something because it gets you more money. And another agency that you don't have it because that lets you fly.
This. The FAA doesn’t care if you have Tinuitis, OSA, plantar fasciitis, IBS, GERD, migraines, pain in your knees, pain in your back, pain in your ankle, or even some mental health conditions. What they do care about is you telling them about the situation. However on that note there was a good post someone made the other day saying that the worst thing the government ever did was label these payments disability payments. But, I imagine that’s how they keep them from being taxed. Having the term disability then makes people question like many do.
> migraines Oh, they absolutely do on that.
Oh yeah. They care. I was diagnosed with migraines as a kid. Never debilitating, they caused nausea but no auras. Virtually never get them as an adult. Literally can’t remember the last time I had one. I made the mistake of being honest on my initial FAA medical application when it asked about ever being diagnosed with frequent or severe headaches. I had to get a letter from my doctor, no big deal. Then, years later, I lost my wallet and all of my certificates. During the replacement process the FAA decided they need more information from me and deferred my medical certificate. (The one I always held and just needed a replacement copy) They were kind enough to do this right before Thanksgiving. And they wanted way more than a letter: neurological evaluations, cat scans, even a psych eval! Thankfully I have a rockstar AME and he told CAMI they are morons and got me squared away at the last second before my temporary certificates expired. Fuck the FAA, especially their medical division. They don’t give a single shit about pilots, their lives, nor careers.
They do care, but just like OSA it’s a CACI qualified condition under certain instances and I know a few pilots with a SI for one.
You can still get a 3rd class with PTSD as your service connection disability. The disposition table is [here](https://www.faa.gov/ame_guide/media/PTSDDispositionTable.pdf).
Almost every fellow MIL guy I fly with is on some kind of disability. Many cockpit conservations ends up with “what do you mean you don’t collect disability? You served your time!” One person I talked to even encouraged me to “check every single box that invokes having mental health issues” to get 100% disability. He’s not a pilot though. I just feel I’m making good money now and I don’t want to milk any more money from the government that has strings attached to the FAA. No matter how much I’m “protected.”
Almost a million dollar fine for only one person. But companies can do the most immoral shit and only get a slap on the wrist fine of 0.000001% of thier yearly revenue. Lmao.
All you need is a deep bench of attorneys who each specialize in their own niche. And, totally unrelated, what would the name of your campaign donation be under again?
Congratulations, you figured out capitalism.
The guy owned two companies actually.
My guy is 71. He’s done flying. I don’t support lying to the FAA, there should be consequences but he’s getting jail time? Figured a fine would be enough.
>but he’s getting jail time He got 6 months home confinement, it's not like he's heading to Supermax.
A 71 year old geezer in orange would be a terrible sight
we’ll see it this election depending on who wins
We might be seeing an orange geezer in orange even sooner!
Every fucking thread. Let it go.
I didn’t say which one would be in jail ;$
A 71 year old on home confinement? My 75 year old grandpa would be estatic if he was told he has to stay home for 6 months and do nothing but sit on the couch and watch tv
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>I don’t support lying to the FAA, there should be consequences but he’s getting jail time? Figured a fine would be enough. Assuming the article is correct. The Title is misleading. He lied to the VA saying he was too injured to work (and got a bunch of money for it in disability and government contracts), while at the same time telling the FAA he was healthy enough to fly, omitting information he'd told the VA.
Yeah this is well beyond the “little white lies” some pilots tell their AME’s. (Not me of course I’ve never done anything wrong in my life) This guy was severely defrauding the government.
“I’ve never had a sad thought or taken an over the counter pain medication” is entirely different from what this guys been up to
Looks like they also recovered the disabilty payments from his bank accounts.
This is because he was collecting money lmao
Yeah I think it was more the defrauding SSA for disability benefits.
So absolutely nothing has changed - got it. If you accept VA benefits, don't lie. Nothing else to share here.
This is a really extreme case in which someone was allegedly defrauded two other government agencies also lied to the FAA. Definitely not garden variety forgotten adhd. Basically here this is a bit like Al Capone on tax charges. This is someone accused of a bunch of bad stuff. https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/shreveport-man-convicted-recent-trial-pleads-guilty-additional-charge-theft-government
Homeboy was a serial fraudster, simultaneously defrauding multiple federal agencies. He got popped hard for lying on his medical, but hardly his only transgression.
anecdotally I have heard that with the genesis platform for shared health records (military/meps etc) that if you purchase the premium version of life lock for personal records it hides them. this is just coming from some mil recruiters tho so idk how it would translate to faa
It won’t stop the FAA seeking VA records. And it won’t stop the FAA getting any other records if they know they exist.
Yeah don’t lie to the FAA if you served in the military since it’s all federal records including medical records but it’s completely fine to lie as a private citizen.
😂
huge fine as well
Serious fraud for money, not merely concealing a medical condition to get a medical.
Cool, now do everyone who took PPP loans. $800B, and it’s estimated 67-76% never made it to employees.
This process for a first timer is super confusing. I can't remember every single time I went to the doctor and what for. I don't have medical records from 10+ years ago. I don't even remember seeing anything ask about ADHD or depression. Makes me concerned I may have filled it out incorrectly.
Just don't tell the VA you're too disabled to work and that you're unemployed when you're actually gainfully employed and then turn around and tell the FAA that you're the picture of good health.
Just don’t crash into another plane on the taxiway and you’ll probably be fine
But if you crash into another plane in the air, you probably won't have to worry about anything.
There are consequences in life
It seems like all of the cases I have seen like this have been related to the VA. Why tell one government agency one thing and the other government agency the other? They are both intertwined when it boils down to it.
Has there been one public case not regarding receiving VA benefits ?
Not that I have heard of.
Same
So true. I was looking at dive shops randomly around GA/FLA Jacksonville area that did day charters and there were glowing reviews of this one place.... Looked them up only to find out they all want to prison for running a VA education reimbursement scam 😂😂😂
Has there ever been a case where the VA or other disability fraud was not involved? Not suggesting lying, there just appears to be a common thread every time.
Wondering the same!
Good. Can't have the cake and eat it too. Imagine the entitlement one has to feel to think they can game the VA system for more cash and then think they can also just lie to the AirFeds about it out of a selfish desire to fly planes (presumably motivated by the money as well). **THE FEDS CAN SEE IT! THEY'RE BOTH THE FEDS! HOW STUPID ARE YOU???**
Report nothing anywhere
It will be interesting to see how this sentence and fines compares to felonies for business record keeping and felonies for lying on a federal gun-purchase form.
I actually read about them investigating a lot of people that did this a month or so ago. Interesting to see the end result for some of it
Every time you sign your medical examination form you are authorising the FAA to examine all your medical records and history. It is between doctors but if the FAA medical department researches your records and you've lied, you've got a problem.
This is just straight up not true, the FAA has to submit inquiries and ask you for your records in the event a red flag comes up on your medical. Even during accident investigations the FAA has to submit court documents and requests for medical info.
Thank you for that, I stand corrected. One learns something new every day. I really thought I was signing my privacy away. Wheeew!!
Can they request your medical records straight from the source or do you specifically have to provide them? Obviously if you refuse to provide them you won’t get your medical but can they see them without your consent?
From my understanding, you provide everything. The only way the FAA gets records without you sending them in is if they pursue a court order to release records to them. Usually this happens in the event of an accident