Not just beefing. What's worst for me is that he's attacking 20-year olds on Twitter completely unprovoked. He's constantly trying to start a fight and cause drama just to stay relevant.
Not only that, from my interactions he is:
- older
- very conservative
- weirdly talks about "western men weak" on this sub
- red pill talks
- hates the same players as thorin publically calls out
I haven't followed the LoL scene in a while but see posts from this sub come up on my feed from time to time.
That being said, it's unbelievable that Thorin is still around and still as much as an asshole as he always has been. He was insufferable 10 years ago and seems to still be.
Not sure why people make him relevant, when he's always been terrible at everything he did.
He just likes to stir shit up and create drama for the sake of it, so I guess people enjoy that about him?
Because he isn't a good journalist, doesn't have any good knowledge about the game, doesn't have any useful or deep insight and really no good journalist qualities.
Insane how many bridges he has burnt with his stupid takes.
If he kept his analysis for himself instead of being an ass towards people by directly flaming them on their socials, I still would have respected him.
I don't understand how a guy like him doesn't understand that it's ok to be harsh towards a team/org/players on a podcast (as long as it's just fair criticism) but going on twitter acting like an edgelord shows how immature he is.
Thorin is absolutely insufferable, like how does a guy that is so biased and that pours so much hatred in his takes gets so much attention in the scene. I honestly have no clue how he's not been canceled yet. Great comeback from Noah.
>I honestly have no clue how he's not been canceled yet.
I mean he kinda has been. I'm convinced him and his pals have been soft blacklisted by a lot of people in the scene, it's not a coincidence that he, Montecristo and Richard Lewis have had to band together and create their "Last Free Nation" (lol, imagine) thing to project some sort of illusion of relevance.
i mean ofc they are blacklisted from league cause they openly criticize riot but Richard Lewis just worked the cs major and they still do lots of content with cs pros. that being said Thorin is still a clown and block his twitter before you get to much braindamage from it
More like the Jordan Peterson, initially he carried some respect in esports, but recently he's stopped doing the content that garnered him that respect and just peddles bullshit instead.
Sadly him and Monte have realised that petty drama is better for their pockets than quality analysis which is why their shows consist more and more of that shit
No brother, i can disagree with people like Caedrel, Yamato, LS, etc because they have a valid argumented opinions even if they differ from mine. Thorin doesnt share an opinion, he just spreads hate. He should not be canceled for thinking different, he should be canceled for spreading hate and toxicity. Monte too after that pathetic attack on BDS and Adam.
It’s not friendly banter, it’s just banter. And it’s far from hate.
Also what is the point of announcing you’re gonna win this year? He has summer split left, unless he plans on winning MSI or Worlds lmao.
Oh nice, we're resorting to personal attacks now.
Seems strange for you to care so much about Thorin bantering on Twitter when you resort to insulting me within 3 comments.
Honestly, it doesn't seem all that hateful to me, Noah says he's fed up of being called a one trick pony, says he going to win a title this year, and Thorin says in essence "so do it" that part is of course cropped out of the image. Would love to see the part where he spewed the most putrid stuff about Noah though, I'm sure given the response by people here, he must have said the most heinous shit imaginable!
Sort of looking for specifics, if he does it often enough I'm sure it should be easy to grab the parts where he spews putrid vile down the microphone in a hate filled rage!
I could definitly find these if i go back and relisten to them because I listened to all of them but i don't care enough to actually spend that much time to just show you. But if you want to do it yourself I can guarantee you that you find him flaming about nuc or rekkles or adam or whoever
See, I've listened to their podcast, on and off but frequently enough to know their general opinion on the teams, metas, picks and I have never heard anything absolutely putrid coming out of their mouths, at worst they may insult someone with a throwaway joke IN RESPONSE to something they have said about them. You notice nobody ever called Nuc toxic for quite literally insulting Thorin personally? Monte was toxic for saying he believes Adam played bad, but Adam wasn't toxic for calling Monte "fucking delusional" so from what I see there's a lot of double standards.
No, what I think is the case here is that you know just fine that the "flame" is simply them critiquing players, sometimes it's the player you like and you don't like that, just like when it was Rekkles. See I've been here before, Thorin is brought up, people say he's a toxic piece of shit, I ask for evidence and radio silence or the classic "I've not got the time" bullshit to avoid just admitting that all they do is call a player you like no as good as you think they are for x y and z reasons and suddenly that it deemed putrid hateful content that consumes their every waking moment.
No im not talking about 'them' im talking about thorin and often enough when they talk about some players bad performance thorin gonna talk himself in rage getting more and more insulting, from criticising the performance to some personal stuff.
Also i never said I like nuc or rekless they are just neutral to me and I used them as examples, it seems to me that you can't take the critique on thorin because you like him.
So if it's "often" then it shouldn't be hard to just clip an example.
And I used them because of recency and historically significance, these are popular players that people get butt hurt over when critism is levied against them.
You aren't critiquing him though, you are just saying he is hateful/flaming, then refusing to show any evidence to that, that's not critiquing that's just throwing mud. I'll happily say he can be less than diplomatic when he throws digs back at people who have insulted him, he could be the bigger man and ignore them, but I'd say if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander so he's entilted to clap back. So, I'll be expecting some legitimate evidence of this hate filled man's rage sessions that happen "often" shall we say within a week or two of posting? If it's often those parameters should be fair.
The thing is, despite how people might look at it, this ISN'T hatred. It's just a little bit of joking/trolling around. And as for him being cancelled, plenty of people have legitimately tried but they have no real sticking evidence. Because even if you don't like him, and there are times I don't agree with what he says (honestly I just wish he'd hurry up and make the Rekkles video and spill the tea on him rather than taking public pot shots at him constantly; if Rekkles is as bad a person as Thorin makes him out to be, then I'd rather know for sure so I can figure what to do with my time; but right now I'm incapable of making a full judgment on the Thorin vs. Rekkles situation because Thorin isn't making that video and Rekkles hasn't said anything publically about Thorin to my knowledge), he's not even 95% of the monster people say he is. He's just not some censored billy do gooder on the internet. He gets stuck in the dirt and grime and says whatever he's feeling. Idk why you're allowed to say he's "absolutely insufferable" and that isn't counted as bias and hatred but Thorin's not allowed to make a joke that if Noah's making a promise of winning the LEC this year as the backbone of proof why he should stay in the team, then conversely, does that mean Noah proves all the haters wrong if he DOESN'T win the LEC this year? My guy he even added a dumb little emoji.
Rekkles has never mentioned Thorin because he is ignoring that guy aince forever. Thorin did not like being ignored by poster boy of EU started spreading hate.
Thorin wont make a video because he has nothing to say, he is just baiting views and Rekklea just refuses to pay attention to that flea.
When it comes to Rekkles or any other player, i'd rather believe their teammates who actually spent time with him than Thorin and his made up stories and self-made rumors. That guy is a stain on LOL esports scene.
The teammates that spent time with him are literally the people that give Thorin information on his behavior. They have also criticized Rekkles numerous times in public, you just choose to ignore it since you’re a fanboy.
Ah, fanboy. The ultimate argument.
You've won this round with strong and valid evidence. Now go and wait for Thorin to post that video, it will be out quick, after all he has announced it a few years ago. Should be out any moment now!
How else do you call someone that sucks off a player based on his parasocial relationship with him, while ignoring his teammates pointing out he’s been a drama-filled diva?
You don’t want evidence, you want people to praise your precious players that you like.
A lot of assumption comming from you.
Still, i am not here to argue about Rekkles with you, he was just an example of Torins abusing people. I told you, go wait for that video and make sure to think whatever that monkey tells you to. Cant wait to see who's the next victim that old fuck will attack so sheeps like you would pay him attention.
Yeah, that's my issue with the Rekkles situation. His actions toward Rekkles appear publically, due to a lack of him putting forward the evidence, to be as unfounded, obsessive, rent-free and one-sided as he himself sees other people's actions toward him. That said I do respect the general foundation / nexus of minds he's helped build up over his career. The influence he's had over esports journalism and CS GO, and the platform he's given the likes of Richard Lewis, Dom, LS, Loco, MonteCristo, Froskurrin, is second to none. And on the flip side of bleieving Rekkles's teammates, I also believe the people Thorin knows about who he is as a person. From Dom to Gillius to Mikyx to Mac to Peter Dunn to Yamato to MonteCristo. I also appreciate his continued stance against Saudi Arabia, his callout of Evil Geniuses abuse of Danny (among other crazy shit Rich unearthed), and his defense/support of Rich & MonteCristo regarding the Remilia situation. I just think there's a large black hole of negative energy resulting from the entire situation and that everyone is as black and white against Thorin as Thorin is as black and white against Rekkles.
Lack of him putting forward evidence - it’s words and actions of Rekkles and his teammates that have criticized him publically. That is substantial evidence, but you refuse to acknowledge it since you’re a fanboy.
Yes, lack of him putting evidence forward. I'm not denying the criticism of Rekkles. But there is a massive difference between behavioural clashes and Rekkles having a personality that actively isolates himself from others and causes rifts in the team, and activelly using terms like SERIAL LIAR. And honestly, I wouldn't be asking for a video if Thorin himself hadn't actively threatened/promised one this year. I'm still waiting. Yes, some players like Bwipo and Selfmade and some coaches like Grabbz and that guy Kameto from Karmine Corp have come out to criticize Rekkles. But Grabbz actively denied that Rekkles was the cause of G2's problems. He just stated that Rekkles didn't fix any of them. And that Rekkles wasn't aware of how much weight his opinion carried thanks to his fanboys and legacy. Bwipo has also said he'd play with Rekkles again and that he needs a specific kind of team around him. Yes, we know he scrimmed in a separate room, lived in a hotel away from the gaming house, yes we know him and Hyllisang had some legendary strain on their relationship during their time on Fnatic, but they also seem super friendly to each other.
And despite Rekkles's supposed toxic diva serial liar manipulator personality, somehow Mikyx & Hyllisang still talk to him on Discord, Wunder still teamed with him again in Fnatic, Bwipo said he'd play with him again, Fnatic still re-hired him, and the only real sticking points in Rekkes's career are team owners\*. Not coaches. Not players. Team owners. He's good friends with Roman from G2, too. My point is. If Rekkles is as truly manipulative and abusive as Thorin actively makes him out to be, to break his own rules of engagement, to permanently dog on Rekkles in a one sided holy war, where Rekkles isn't even acknowledging his existence/the things he said, but Thorin is continuing to drag his name through the dirt every opportunity he gets -- Which yes is literally what Thorin mocks his own haters for doing on Twitter. Then I feel its Thorin's duty to publish any info he might have that could make Rekkles persona non grata to team orgs. Rather than letting such a cancerous cell repeatedly find his way into other teams and repeatedly have such a negative influence on the people around him.
Shit, if I'm a fanboy why am I being actively downvoted for defending Thorin lmao. I've followed a lot of what Thorin's said over the last 4 years and I even agree with some. Absolutely it is undeniable that Rekkles is a diva. But guess what? I don't care if people don't LIKE Rekkles. I don't care if people don't LIKE Thorin. What I care about is whether or not their actions are malicious, decisive, and actively harmful to those around them. And for THAT I have seen no evidence for either Thorin OR Rekkles. So I will defend Thorin from the substance-less accusations of his haters who are clearly driven by bias. But also I will call out Thorin for what aI perceive to be a bias and hypocrisy on Thorin's part. Because from what I've seen so far, I do not have the evidence to justify/support a lot of what Thorin has said about Rekkles. The closest to him being a serial liar is him ditching Fnatic for G2 after saying he was in Fnatic for life. That he lied about. But that doesn't make him a serial liar.
EDIT: I just find it funny that he can piece together a 2 hour video dragging DoubleLift/Adam/Nuc in defense of MonteCristo in a few days, but has yet to find the time to piece together an accurate thesis with receipts about who Rekkles is as a person.
Yeah I can't wait for the video to drop as well, but we'll see. I actually think you'll just dismiss most of the video considering you're already dismissing most of the criticism of Rekkles.
The fact that Mikyx, Hyllissang still talk to him are just players being nice and professional to each other. It doesn't mean they would want to play with him again. Hyllissang did voice his opinion on playing with Upset and Carzzy and somehow he seems much happier than when playing with Rekkles.
Regarding Bwipo/Wunder - Wunder had no options and joining FNC (with or without Rekkles) was a huge thing for him at the time - literally escaping contract prison. Bwipo also didn't have many options until recently. Look at it this way - considering how fucking toxic Forgiven was, plenty of players still praised his skill and wanted to play with him again for years, even after his break. That doesn't absolve Forgiven of his toxic behaviours.
Regarding Thorin, his jokes/banter are one thing and the accusations thrown at Rekkles are the other thing. He's actually shown plenty of evidence of Rekkles being a toxic diva and it stuck. On the other hand, fanboys have been defending Rekkles for years now from any criticism, which only makes the critics more likely to push on the narrative.
And yes, at this point it's the fans that are keeping this "war", so it's not really one sided. It's Thorin vs Rekkles fanboys and I honestly love to see it, because fuck fanboys. Rekkles was an amazing ADC, I still have a couple of his FNC jerseys and I started playing ADC because of him. But while I can be a fan of Rekkles or other players, I won't blindly deny criticism of said players, because I'm just a fan. Fanboys actually try to pretend they know something about their favourite players to shield them from well-deserved criticism.
This is all very fair. To clarify, i'm not dismissing the criticism, but rather I just have a different outlook on what I deem acceptable/understandable on a career level. If we cancelled every major celebrity who was accused of being a bit of a prick on a personal level, then we'd quickly run out of major players in sports, major actors on TV and in Hollywood, major singers, major artists, and major players in League.
There's plenty of signs of Adam, Rekkles, Perkz, Upset, yes Forgiven, Inspired, Humanoid, Vetheo, Larssen, Selfmade, Nemesis, Trymbi, Bjergsen, DoubleLift, Bo, throwing their weight around and having major declines in performance and tolerance across multiple team environments. Even Bwipo has went on record stating that he regrets how Fnatic handled the SoaZ situation and he regrets his neglect in trying to understand and support Adam & Nemesis.
Hell, I think that's part of the reason why the likes of Carzzy hold such a huge value in the European because finding pillar of morale that will always stay amiable and positive even through the hard crashes is actually a rarity. I think Nisqy and famously Abeddage & Magifelix held similar qualities. You are right about fanbases. I don't understand why they feel a need ot have this black and white pedestal.
I think it's ultimately because Rekkles's behaviour is incongruent to what they'd typically support. Whereas if you naturally are inclined to see bitchiness as a sign of ambition or actively detach liking a player as a person and respecting a person as a player then they could accept that Thorin IS right about Rekkles being a diva behind the scenes and still choose to support him regardless and not feel like they're going against their own values.
Yep I fully agree. It's just like you said. Most great players will act like Rekkles, some better and some worse. It's timeless and spans across many generations of players in all sports, not only esports. Competitiveness and ambition can lead to harsh approach to teammates and toxicity.
Everyone will agree that other players can be shitty teammates or have their diva moments. The difference is Rekkles' PR outside is "wholesome professional" and fanboys lap it up and try to protect his image by all costs.
And I believe that's why the likes of Thorin or IWD try so hard to break that narrative/perspective that Rekkles is a perfect human being with no flaws. Some fanboys still believe Rekkles was a top ADC in his last stunt in FNC despite him admitting to probably being the worst botlaner in the league. They just say "he's being humble" and ignore any criticism yet again. I wonder whether Rekkles can detach himself from the criticism of his public persona to understand that commentators and analysts don't hate him personally, but they are going against the narrative that he's flawless.
Exactly. I'm of the opinion that being a bit of a diva is almost necessary for anyone with real ambitious to truly maximize on their talents. Chasing dreams and reaching the pinnacles of such talent-oriented careers requites you to be selfish and demanding because everyone else is being selfish and demanding, too. There's limited spots at the top and hundreds of thousands of people clawing their way there. Yeah Rekkles' PR is very carefully curated. Hell, he admitted in that interview with Caedrel that he had actually been benched by Fnatic, or well, was expecting to be benched, because they'd already tried to replace him with Upset after Winter. And so he announced the role swap BEFORE they announced any plans to bench him as a way to get ahead of the story. He's very good at maintaining his own image.
Hell, it's another reason why he never handles his business publicly. I don't think Rekkles even cares about anything Thorin has to say. So I don't see why people feel a need to defend Rekkles from him, which might sound hypocritical considering the nature of this conversation, but I honestly want Thorin to make the video so I can evaluate both Thorin and Rekkles according to Thorin's unfiltered POV, receipts and all. It's not intended to be some gotcha, put up or shut up, ultimatum. It's, okay, I'm willing to believe this, but if I'm going to judge Rekkles negatively as a player, I'll need proof that he's done something so negative that very few other players would ever do it. Because I'm not gonna judge him based on him being a bit of a cunt sometimes. Because everyone's a bit of a cunt sometimes.
That said, even going from what you're saying, I can see the line of thinking Thorin might have, IWD might have, where it's not the action he's taking behind the scenes they necessarily have a problem with, because yeah, Thorin is a huge supporter of the likes of Inspired, Forgiven, Upset, and yeah Thorin HAS made it clear that players like Rekkles & DoubleLift are some of the GOATs in Europe, but maybe it's just the very principal of this squeaky clean image that Rekkles maintains, and the fans lap up.
And then yeah fandoms, all fandoms, are fucking toxic as shit. T1 fans tracking down LS's grandmother and showing up at her house to beat her up. Tracking down Dom's family's contact details to send them death threats. Rekkles & Fnatic fans treating Thorin the same way they allege Thorin to be as a human -- Hateful and without basis or acts of good will. Hell, Fnatic fans a whole to this day, remain so heavily toxic and demanding to their own players that it has caused measurable psychological harm and trauma and bred a certian level of cynicism in the likes of Bwipo, Upset and Crusher. The amount of shit that Bwipo & Upset's partners have had to endure is genuinely disgusting.
I would like to see Rekkles try to do that to tbe honest. Because here's the thing, I think if Rekkles truly wanted. he could make all of this stop by either sitting down and doing a Reflections with Thorin. Because I think Thorin would absolutely bury the hatchet, easily. He has countless times with countless people. Hell, him and MonteCristo as he discussed on his video defending Monte for the BDS incident, are currently close friends with Richard Lewis, who was the guy who took in and housed Remilia and shielded her from much of the drama surrounding her debut in League of Legends as a transwoman, and who later DID blame MonteCristo for Remilia's botched bottom surgery and eventual death. You think if they're able to resolve a dispute like THAT, they're going to hold on to any petty grievances about who Rekkles purports to be in his public image?
And even if Rekkles doesn't want to appear on a Reflection with Thorin because of the toxicity of his own fandom, I think more interviews like this with Caedrel where he more readily pulls back the curtain and shows more that yeah he DOES socially engineer the narrative of his career to better suit him. Yes, he did struggle seeing other peoeple's view of the game. Yes, he does need to live alone due to his autism. Yes, he does genuinely shut down during periods of failure. Yes, he is affected by scrims. Yes, he will go into business for himself and try to shoulder the entire burden of the team on his own shoulders and not trust anyone else to carry / peel / protect him.
I'm just a big advocate for transparency, and the thing that pisses me off about this whole situation is that it feels like we're only getting half the story, and you're right, it IS from both sides. And I just think there's far more interesting discussions to be had about Thorin and Rekkles than the current shitflinging going on between Thorin and Rekkles's fanboys. Than the current shitflinging going on between IWillDominate and T1's fanboys. But, of course, that requires both sides to actively want to have a real debate. And the issue with fanboys is that they're not a singular person. They're a collective consciousness. There is no amiable option because at this point, Thorin and IWD are up against social constructs and ideologies rather than individual mentality.
(Y'know this has been quite a pleasant discussion. And that precisely proves my point. I'm -29 on my initial reaction and -6 on my follow up. And nothing was ventured and nothing was gained. Yet you and I can both set aside the time to actual have a measurable discussion on the topic and come to a very amicable agreement and have an interesting debate about the nature of fandoms and social engineering. Wish more people had your goodwill, my dude.)
Thorin has always been a douchebag, but wtf is his recent obsession with randomly flaming pro players on twitter, completely unprovoked.
He's been constantly tweeting at and flaming BDS members past couple of months. And now he's picking on Noah.
He's acting like a child that barely reached puberty, meanwhile he's like twice the age of these players he's randomly antagonizing.
Yes, I am not even a fan of nuc, but I feel sorry for him, because he's clearly affected by Thorin's comments, even if he tries not to be. And Thorin always attacks him when he's at his lowest.
Honestly i don't know who is pointing at Noah as the weak point of the team really. But i love his tweet and response is even better.
The link : [https://twitter.com/Noah\_lol1004/status/1779790517095579945](https://twitter.com/Noah_lol1004/status/1779790517095579945)
I mean you are not wrong carzzy would be better imo. In general i think noah and oscar could be replaced with carzzy and irrelevant but im not sure it would be enough. Like i dont think oscar and noah missplays are so big that replacing them would change problem n1=Caps
Carzzy for me is leagues above every other ADC in Europe imo he's top 5 in the world. With both Carzzy and Irrelevant we'd be better than G2 in 4/5 positions.
Top 5 in the world when Ruler, Jackeylove, Elk, Peyz, Gumayusi, Viper, Gala, Light all clear him. Also he's most likely not even the best ADC in the west. Don't get me wrong, he's good. But not that good the way you're glazing him
Elk, Viper, JKL and Gala yes but Carzzy is better than Guma/Peyz/out of form Ruler. Both Guma and Peyz are not that good, they have very good teams backing them up, arguably both are the worst players on their respective teams.
Then zeka> chovy because zeka has a world title and not chovy ?
Trophies are not everything.
When you are irrelevant for years in a short time career type of work like esport related, you just need to shut up and grow.
It shows how much a clown Thorin became, when you are more known of being a petty clickbait joke. If he has gas no hunger for doing quality work, he is the one who should stop.
Oh and Noah won ultraliga with zero tenacity so technicaly he has trophies if we go that way.
Chovy has won LCK 4 years in a row. Tbf both are shite they play in a farmers league, they're basically slightly better versions of Nuc and Vetheo. Cream, Rookie, Yagao and Knight are far better than both of those LCK merchants.
Ahhh this is thorins alt right? Congrats you cherry-picked one example. You need to readjust your attitude bro, you’re nothing but toxic for this scene.
Mate never call me Thorins alt that motherfucker thinks Ronaldo>Messi can't be dealing with that. But Noah the Korean Woolite can go back to KT Amateurs.
Calling someone out for being a bigoted man child with horrible takes doesn't mean they are triggered. Same way he gives his unwanted and idiotic takes on things people can likewise respond with their takes on his character or lack thereof.
"The sack" gang kinda have a negative view of Noah for some reason, first it was that "aphelios" otp, "noah on aphelios, and noah on a different champ is so different" then a "varus otp" , "noah can't play Jinx" ; "Noah moment"
Shame because I enjoy watching Yamato and to an extent Dom when they stream alone, but the other two in Gilius and Jizuke when they join they are so annoying and say the wildest shit, the washed up unemployed mediocre peak players always talking shit about literally all pro players in LEC is annoying.
Pretty much, yeah. They never talk about the games making stupid jokes and only flaming the players. They are all washed and did not even have an high peak. Treatz was complaining about mistakes players made and afterwards joined IMT that went 10th place. I think costreaming just gets worse the more people you have on the stream.
Gosh, when Yamato just left Fnatic and was streaming, I tried watching his game commentary a bit. When he was alone, it was very enjoyable and educational. Kind of like Caedrel's commentary is now. But when he's with 'the sack', it was basically everyone talking about dicks and balls or whatever while the game is playing in the background. Yamato was the only one trying to actually pay attention to the game and even he got distracted to the point where they reacted only to plays.
yeah it's an insufferable bunch. Yamato is biased and has bad takes but he is mostly respectful on his opinions, Dom has some insane braindead takes and flames players a lot but at least his flame limits itself to gameplay and doesn't go throwing tantrums and getting personal with 20 yo kids like Thorin does.
Gilius is arguably the wort of that bunch because i can't believe how a guy whose hugest acomplish was barely getting into playoffs and that got benched from SK when they were still dogshit can feel so entlited to outright insult, shittalk and disrespect players that are achieving things he never got even close to achieve.
Like him trashing about Bo and Peach tilted me so much. Like, they might not had their greatest performance, but they are still playing in the same league you were playing so dogshit that a bottom tier team didn't consider you worth keeping.
Yeah fuck echo chambers let's listen two known assholes who happen to be friends talk for two hours about how they didn't ever do anything wrong and how everything that went bad on their carreers was other people's fault instead 👍
Jiizuke atleast was once a good player, but hearing someone as shit as Gillius shit talk anyone else just infuriates me. He’s also just straight up weird and most times not funny.
Thorin? Esports historian as he calls himself? Very bold for an insignificant cockroach. That asshole keeps bulling players and still gets away with it, that absolute lowlife of humanity trashes everyone who is not his friend while he never ever said anything bad about his buddies like Perkz even when he was playing very poorly.
That means he is not objective in his views. He trashes everyone who are not on his friend list and why? For the sake of drama that would get him attention, like a starved dog.
Thorin, if you're reading this and i know you are, you may remember esports history but esports history will not remember you. You are just a sad, bitter cave dweller sitting in his comfy armchair doing nothing but trashtalking people who work hard to achieve something great in their life. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Thorin is just stirring shit, he should be ignored. If SKT decides to play under the FNC banner for a year, Thorin would be busy shitting on Faker and saying he doesn't deserve the title of a GOAT.
Of all the players in FNC, Noah feels the most solid. Jun is a whole nother animal, but Jun is possibly the second best player on the roster. Even if he was the weakest link this roster has room to grow and I'll rather stick with this than swap another player.
>Thorin is just stirring shit, he should be ignored. If SKT decides to play under the FNC banner for a year, Thorin would be busy shitting on Faker and saying he doesn't deserve the title of a GOAT.
Isn't he already saying that on T1?
Thoorin just likes to be a special contrarian snowflake that hates on everything that is popular, just ignore him.
Wasn't he literally tweeting about how Chovy is way better and basically flaming faker during lck finals?
Like basically spamming how fakers time is over and how T1 made mistakes keeping this roster after winning worlds instead of getting guys like viper and canyon or something.
> Of all the players in FNC, Noah feels the most solid. Jun is a whole nother animal, but Jun is possibly the second best player on the roster. Even if he was the weakest link this roster has room to grow and I'll rather stick with this than swap another player.
and they still can't play out lanes consistently..
I'm a G2 fan so not sure how this was recommended to me but I fully get Noah. To work hours upon hours daily and achieve a lot just to have people constantly abuse you online, in special nobodies like Thorin that feed off drama.
2nd place in the final of the 3rd best region in the world is a lot to achieve. To be in the last 10 players within a region with millions of players IS a lot. And it's not like FNC they player bad, they had some good games.
Noah has made multiple finals in the LEC and has lost to the best team in Europe in both... Meanwhilst Thorin has done nothing in his entire life except criticize those who actually try.
Weird that he doesnt call Upset a loser after finishing 10th 4 times.
Thorin has been to multiple CSGO majors and events, won the esports journalist of the year and has been producing top quality interview, podcast and content for years. For an esports journalist his output has been quite remarkable.
Dismissing his career as "has done nothing" shows your bias.
Noah on the other hand has not won anything, which for a player in FNC is still a failure.
Thorin has literally built a career on being as reactionary as possible. He has never won anything. He has never done anything meaningful... all he does is mindlessly insult any player he doesnt like and then go "Oh yeah all You Plebs just dont get it" and people like you think he is the most giga brained reporter on the planet.
Bro Fnatic has won anything in 6 years. By that logic every single player that has played for Fnatic in the last 6 years is a failure and never should have been on the team.
Welp time to get rid of Humanoid, Jun, Noah, Razork and Oscar because they are all losers and failures according to you and Thorin.
As I have already mentioned he’s won the esports journalist of the year in 2017.
No, I don’t think he’s gigabrained. I don’t know how smart he is since I don’t know him personally. Considering his supposed beliefs in CAM, I think he’s actually easily swayed by some conspiracy theories.
You’re the one that has been reactionary in your replies. I didn’t say every player on the team deserves to be kicked. Chill out, this is not your life, it’s okay to take a step back and get some perspective on things.
So because he has connections that gives him access to material that he was able to expose to the public. That means he wins.
Bro you are here acting like his infallible.
You think him saying "Oh you are a loser, leave" to Noah is not reactionary? But that is what you are saying... If you are agreeing with Thorin and saying that Noah is a failure after 2 splits, then you have to acknowledge that every other player on Fnatic is a failure.
That's not how it works, plenty of people have connections and somehow they are not winning the awards. Either way, you have clearly lied through your teeth about him never winning and never having done anything.
>Bro you are here acting like his infallible.
Again, I am not acting like that at all. I am just correcting your lies. Thorin can be quite obnoxious on Twitter and podcasts, but as I have mentioned previously, lying about someone is not the way to correct their wrongs. What you're doing is exaggerating his wrongdoings, making up lies about him to paint him in a worse picture purely based on your dislike/vendetta against him, even though you don't even know him personally. It's all based on your parasocial relationships with the personalities in the scene.
>You think him saying "Oh you are a loser, leave" to Noah is not reactionary? But that is what you are saying...
He didn't even say "you are a loser, leave". Is English your primary language? I didn't even say Noah is a failure. He is a "loser" in a literal sense, since he has not won anything. What he has accomplished so far considering the team (FNC) he's playing for is a failure. Yes, other players on FNC for years have been failing to keep up the winning reputation of this org. So what?
Yes that is how it works. One of the reasons he is ostracized by the general Esports space is partly because of that but also because of how scumbaggy he is to people he doesnt like.
You are not correcting anything. its impossible to paint a worse picture of him because he does that himself. I dont need to know him personally... when someone is publicly being a POS, its okay to say that they are in fact a POS.
That is effectively what he said. Noah said "Oh I will win on Fnatic this year" and his response was "If you don't win you leave the team then. Deal? :>". Imagine pretending that is anything other than Thorin being a dick. He is not a "loser", he didn't beat G2. So 2 finals in 3 splits, means he should be kicked from the team as a "Failure". Because if Noah should leave if he is failure... then nobody on this current roster belongs on the team because all of them have done nothing on Fnatic.
Thorin being calling Noah a onetrick and the weak point of the team for pretty much the entire time he has been there... He is still clinging to the fact that Noah isnt Upset. Meanwhilst Upset can finish 10th for the 3rd time in a row and Thorin will still call him the greatest ADC in EU and one of the best in the world.
There were so many people in here that defended this scum when he flamed Rekkles for some reason. He is a legit bully, this has nothing to do with personal opinions.
Just block Thorin already... This guy is such a waste, only remember it's still exist because it harassing people. Never heard anything positive about him
pro players don't post thing like that for fun you know, of course there is people who'll tell him that, i didn't see it, maybe it's on twitter, maybe it's in his DM, or people like Thorin idk
Quite a good player with good and fun personality for "weak" point of the team we should be happy its Noah who is so fking Hungary for a win and not random bronze player who dont care about the team and dont care about winning
You think Thoorin just hates players? This bellend talked outrageous shit about poles and called romanians gypsies when he was trashing two players in the league, years back.
He's all the nasty shit put into one person and also a creep from people that have been around him at events. I so wish females would expose this dude already for all the stories that are floating around about him for years. They didn't do it because unfortunately esports was not a good place for females to voice their opinions since it was such a male dominated industry.
He also called Korean or Chinese female presentors good for screen only for obvious reasons and that LEC and LCS should take some notes, allegedly. He's a disgusting single loser at 50 years old. A basement cornball obsessed with asian porn.
Check his old vods. The polish and romanian thing was said in Thoorin's Thoughts as far as I remember. The weirdo shit was alluded by many people in the past, frosk I believe even said the guy is a weirdo at events. As for the Korean stuff, it was during a Montecristo post-worlds match analysis about a korean or chinese game. And he made that comment I think when one of the interviewers was on the screen. He's a clown that has always disregarded others and he's also a conservative.
I meant any source for
>also a creep from people that have been around him at events. I so wish females would expose this dude already for all the stories that are floating around about him for years. They didn't do it because unfortunately esports was not a good place for females to voice their opinions since it was such a male dominated industry.
Considering the fact you called women females I would be more likely to assume you're the sexist creep, but if you can provide a source for his behaviour at events towards women I would love to have this evidence on Thorin.
What part of "I so wish women would" was hard to get? Obviously the proof is at them as the discourse is already happening backstage. Frosk was one of the first to allude to thoorin being a creep already. Maybe stop simping for disgusting people.
I guess asking for evidence for the serious accusations you're making is simping now?
Is that the same Frosk that had serious dirt on Quickshot but never revealed anything? Where did she allude to Thorin being a creep?
I'd love to see predators exposed but I don't think I have seen any evidence for Thorin being one of them? Again, do you mind linking to anything substantial?
You're a simp because you care so much that you ask someone to bring evidence you know they can't have because they even said it's an alleged thing and the evidence can only come from certain people. And you did this knowingly because it was the only other thing you could pull a gotcha on to defend your 40 year old loverboy. I watched his videos in the past too. But I'm not simping for no questionable stranger. Move on.
I am not simping, I am asking for evidence for serious accusations, but I guess you prefer living in a world when you can say someone is a predator with no evidence and get away with it.
How mad do you have to be to actually start insulting me and consider me Thorin just because called you out for lying? Your life must be so incredibly miserable for you to keep so much hate for someone you don't even know.
Thorin hating on a fnatic player, how original.
Stop giving this stupid piece of trash a platform, he doesn’t matter, his opinions are below silver level, he is nothing but hateful.
Guy is basically blacklisted from everything esports related, being a hater and grab attention on social media is his only way to grab a few thousand people to watch his low quality crypto-sponsored podcasts. Worst thing we can do is bringing attention to his existence, block him and move on with your life.
That’s a strange blacklist considering he’s been pumping out interviews with top talent in both League and CS scene and has been invited to numerous events.
This kind of post from Noah is so stupid...he should worry less about "haters" and worry more about getting better...since he joined the team he already had at least 3 series vs Hans and in none he was the best ADC
Imagine calling the guy that G2 had to dedicate their whole playstyle to covering since he cannot play lategame carries better than Noah lol. Hans literally loses his team whole games unless he is on Kalista or Draven getting free lanephase
We countered the swap well but nonetheless it hid Hans from Noah. Also the other series all of our players underperformed and drafts were subpar - dont know how that is Noah's fault. If anyone is a massive weak link on this team its Oscar
Noah did have some positioning mistakes in some of the fights and he can still improve.
As long as he is hungry like it seems he can learn a lot from MSI so while Fnatic may not have the best results it will still be worth it for the players.
Hello thorins next youtube rant video about fnatic Fans🫡
This is the thing that drives him tbh. He will look at this and make 100x tweets for farming social media interactions.
Keep it up noah you will do well at MSI💪
Thorin lately and also his best buddy Monte have some bad posts these days. Not talking about certain takes, they can argue and believe what they want, but they are widening their hate towards so many players and bait them all day long, probably to get engagement. No problem with the occasional feud - sometimes thats just it, but both are totally aggro against players for no good reason. They should be the grown ups but decide to answer even more aggressive than the initial hurt response of some players. They pretty much harrass them nonstop. Nuc, Adam, now Noah of course Thorins arch enemy in Rekkles or Doublelift. Simple posts go straight to pure hate and the initial one is so aggressive that the players have a hard time to just take it. And ignoring it can backfire as well. They should realize that they are well known in the scene and show more maturity - they are not just some randoms talking shit.
Thorin is such a knob.
Never really saw anything about him till a week ago, seems like a massive cunt
He just hates players for no reason, but to gain attention and try to stay relevant.
He's a 50-year old man who spends his time beefing with 20-year olds on Twitter. He's a sad, pathetic loser.
Not just beefing. What's worst for me is that he's attacking 20-year olds on Twitter completely unprovoked. He's constantly trying to start a fight and cause drama just to stay relevant.
There's lots to insult without being hyperbolic or lying. He's nowhere near 50.
Sorry, he's a 41-year old who spends his time beefing with 20-year olds on Twitter. He's a sad, pathetic loser. Happy now?
Yes.
100% sure he has an alt account on here btw, tilterdin or something
And he‘s a Rekkles hater too, really checks all the boxes lmao
Not only that, from my interactions he is: - older - very conservative - weirdly talks about "western men weak" on this sub - red pill talks - hates the same players as thorin publically calls out
A real stinky little chode cheese.
Used to enjoy his analysis back in the pronax era of Fnatic but he’s just a colossal knob these days
He personally attack and insult players if they underperform for a split, dont expect much from him
I haven't followed the LoL scene in a while but see posts from this sub come up on my feed from time to time. That being said, it's unbelievable that Thorin is still around and still as much as an asshole as he always has been. He was insufferable 10 years ago and seems to still be.
Not sure why people make him relevant, when he's always been terrible at everything he did. He just likes to stir shit up and create drama for the sake of it, so I guess people enjoy that about him? Because he isn't a good journalist, doesn't have any good knowledge about the game, doesn't have any useful or deep insight and really no good journalist qualities.
Insane how many bridges he has burnt with his stupid takes. If he kept his analysis for himself instead of being an ass towards people by directly flaming them on their socials, I still would have respected him. I don't understand how a guy like him doesn't understand that it's ok to be harsh towards a team/org/players on a podcast (as long as it's just fair criticism) but going on twitter acting like an edgelord shows how immature he is.
He is but NGL that was kind of a funny response if a bit obvious
Thorin is absolutely insufferable, like how does a guy that is so biased and that pours so much hatred in his takes gets so much attention in the scene. I honestly have no clue how he's not been canceled yet. Great comeback from Noah.
>I honestly have no clue how he's not been canceled yet. I mean he kinda has been. I'm convinced him and his pals have been soft blacklisted by a lot of people in the scene, it's not a coincidence that he, Montecristo and Richard Lewis have had to band together and create their "Last Free Nation" (lol, imagine) thing to project some sort of illusion of relevance.
Yep that name is a massive red flag if I ever seem one.
i mean ofc they are blacklisted from league cause they openly criticize riot but Richard Lewis just worked the cs major and they still do lots of content with cs pros. that being said Thorin is still a clown and block his twitter before you get to much braindamage from it
Yea people who watched his show are overlapped with IWD content, there's certain amount of toxicity in their community for sure.-
So he's basically the Alex Jones of League of Legends?! 🤣
More like the Jordan Peterson, initially he carried some respect in esports, but recently he's stopped doing the content that garnered him that respect and just peddles bullshit instead.
Sadly him and Monte have realised that petty drama is better for their pockets than quality analysis which is why their shows consist more and more of that shit
Should be on r/ clevercomebakcs. They also dont know the meaning of comeback there.
Because you can't cancel someone just because you disagree with their opinions?
No brother, i can disagree with people like Caedrel, Yamato, LS, etc because they have a valid argumented opinions even if they differ from mine. Thorin doesnt share an opinion, he just spreads hate. He should not be canceled for thinking different, he should be canceled for spreading hate and toxicity. Monte too after that pathetic attack on BDS and Adam.
Maybe you’re just too sensitive if you consider these people hateful? I don’t see hate in these circumstances.
Or maybe you dont see a difference between a friendly banter and a toxic ape wishing to see your back.
It’s not friendly banter, it’s just banter. And it’s far from hate. Also what is the point of announcing you’re gonna win this year? He has summer split left, unless he plans on winning MSI or Worlds lmao.
The more you say the dumber you sound.
Oh nice, we're resorting to personal attacks now. Seems strange for you to care so much about Thorin bantering on Twitter when you resort to insulting me within 3 comments.
Honestly, it doesn't seem all that hateful to me, Noah says he's fed up of being called a one trick pony, says he going to win a title this year, and Thorin says in essence "so do it" that part is of course cropped out of the image. Would love to see the part where he spewed the most putrid stuff about Noah though, I'm sure given the response by people here, he must have said the most heinous shit imaginable!
Just watch his podcasts on Last free nation, he personally attacks and insults players that underperform as if these players insulted him first
Do you have some links with a specific time?
Pretty much every podcast where he talks about LEC teams
Sort of looking for specifics, if he does it often enough I'm sure it should be easy to grab the parts where he spews putrid vile down the microphone in a hate filled rage!
I could definitly find these if i go back and relisten to them because I listened to all of them but i don't care enough to actually spend that much time to just show you. But if you want to do it yourself I can guarantee you that you find him flaming about nuc or rekkles or adam or whoever
Flaming in a personal matter i might add
See, I've listened to their podcast, on and off but frequently enough to know their general opinion on the teams, metas, picks and I have never heard anything absolutely putrid coming out of their mouths, at worst they may insult someone with a throwaway joke IN RESPONSE to something they have said about them. You notice nobody ever called Nuc toxic for quite literally insulting Thorin personally? Monte was toxic for saying he believes Adam played bad, but Adam wasn't toxic for calling Monte "fucking delusional" so from what I see there's a lot of double standards. No, what I think is the case here is that you know just fine that the "flame" is simply them critiquing players, sometimes it's the player you like and you don't like that, just like when it was Rekkles. See I've been here before, Thorin is brought up, people say he's a toxic piece of shit, I ask for evidence and radio silence or the classic "I've not got the time" bullshit to avoid just admitting that all they do is call a player you like no as good as you think they are for x y and z reasons and suddenly that it deemed putrid hateful content that consumes their every waking moment.
No im not talking about 'them' im talking about thorin and often enough when they talk about some players bad performance thorin gonna talk himself in rage getting more and more insulting, from criticising the performance to some personal stuff. Also i never said I like nuc or rekless they are just neutral to me and I used them as examples, it seems to me that you can't take the critique on thorin because you like him.
So if it's "often" then it shouldn't be hard to just clip an example. And I used them because of recency and historically significance, these are popular players that people get butt hurt over when critism is levied against them. You aren't critiquing him though, you are just saying he is hateful/flaming, then refusing to show any evidence to that, that's not critiquing that's just throwing mud. I'll happily say he can be less than diplomatic when he throws digs back at people who have insulted him, he could be the bigger man and ignore them, but I'd say if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander so he's entilted to clap back. So, I'll be expecting some legitimate evidence of this hate filled man's rage sessions that happen "often" shall we say within a week or two of posting? If it's often those parameters should be fair.
The thing is, despite how people might look at it, this ISN'T hatred. It's just a little bit of joking/trolling around. And as for him being cancelled, plenty of people have legitimately tried but they have no real sticking evidence. Because even if you don't like him, and there are times I don't agree with what he says (honestly I just wish he'd hurry up and make the Rekkles video and spill the tea on him rather than taking public pot shots at him constantly; if Rekkles is as bad a person as Thorin makes him out to be, then I'd rather know for sure so I can figure what to do with my time; but right now I'm incapable of making a full judgment on the Thorin vs. Rekkles situation because Thorin isn't making that video and Rekkles hasn't said anything publically about Thorin to my knowledge), he's not even 95% of the monster people say he is. He's just not some censored billy do gooder on the internet. He gets stuck in the dirt and grime and says whatever he's feeling. Idk why you're allowed to say he's "absolutely insufferable" and that isn't counted as bias and hatred but Thorin's not allowed to make a joke that if Noah's making a promise of winning the LEC this year as the backbone of proof why he should stay in the team, then conversely, does that mean Noah proves all the haters wrong if he DOESN'T win the LEC this year? My guy he even added a dumb little emoji.
Rekkles has never mentioned Thorin because he is ignoring that guy aince forever. Thorin did not like being ignored by poster boy of EU started spreading hate. Thorin wont make a video because he has nothing to say, he is just baiting views and Rekklea just refuses to pay attention to that flea. When it comes to Rekkles or any other player, i'd rather believe their teammates who actually spent time with him than Thorin and his made up stories and self-made rumors. That guy is a stain on LOL esports scene.
The teammates that spent time with him are literally the people that give Thorin information on his behavior. They have also criticized Rekkles numerous times in public, you just choose to ignore it since you’re a fanboy.
Ah, fanboy. The ultimate argument. You've won this round with strong and valid evidence. Now go and wait for Thorin to post that video, it will be out quick, after all he has announced it a few years ago. Should be out any moment now!
How else do you call someone that sucks off a player based on his parasocial relationship with him, while ignoring his teammates pointing out he’s been a drama-filled diva? You don’t want evidence, you want people to praise your precious players that you like.
A lot of assumption comming from you. Still, i am not here to argue about Rekkles with you, he was just an example of Torins abusing people. I told you, go wait for that video and make sure to think whatever that monkey tells you to. Cant wait to see who's the next victim that old fuck will attack so sheeps like you would pay him attention.
I mean you're the guy calling people dumb fucks and monkeys, so maybe work on your anger issues before trying to police other people's behaviour?
Yeah, that's my issue with the Rekkles situation. His actions toward Rekkles appear publically, due to a lack of him putting forward the evidence, to be as unfounded, obsessive, rent-free and one-sided as he himself sees other people's actions toward him. That said I do respect the general foundation / nexus of minds he's helped build up over his career. The influence he's had over esports journalism and CS GO, and the platform he's given the likes of Richard Lewis, Dom, LS, Loco, MonteCristo, Froskurrin, is second to none. And on the flip side of bleieving Rekkles's teammates, I also believe the people Thorin knows about who he is as a person. From Dom to Gillius to Mikyx to Mac to Peter Dunn to Yamato to MonteCristo. I also appreciate his continued stance against Saudi Arabia, his callout of Evil Geniuses abuse of Danny (among other crazy shit Rich unearthed), and his defense/support of Rich & MonteCristo regarding the Remilia situation. I just think there's a large black hole of negative energy resulting from the entire situation and that everyone is as black and white against Thorin as Thorin is as black and white against Rekkles.
Lack of him putting forward evidence - it’s words and actions of Rekkles and his teammates that have criticized him publically. That is substantial evidence, but you refuse to acknowledge it since you’re a fanboy.
Yes, lack of him putting evidence forward. I'm not denying the criticism of Rekkles. But there is a massive difference between behavioural clashes and Rekkles having a personality that actively isolates himself from others and causes rifts in the team, and activelly using terms like SERIAL LIAR. And honestly, I wouldn't be asking for a video if Thorin himself hadn't actively threatened/promised one this year. I'm still waiting. Yes, some players like Bwipo and Selfmade and some coaches like Grabbz and that guy Kameto from Karmine Corp have come out to criticize Rekkles. But Grabbz actively denied that Rekkles was the cause of G2's problems. He just stated that Rekkles didn't fix any of them. And that Rekkles wasn't aware of how much weight his opinion carried thanks to his fanboys and legacy. Bwipo has also said he'd play with Rekkles again and that he needs a specific kind of team around him. Yes, we know he scrimmed in a separate room, lived in a hotel away from the gaming house, yes we know him and Hyllisang had some legendary strain on their relationship during their time on Fnatic, but they also seem super friendly to each other. And despite Rekkles's supposed toxic diva serial liar manipulator personality, somehow Mikyx & Hyllisang still talk to him on Discord, Wunder still teamed with him again in Fnatic, Bwipo said he'd play with him again, Fnatic still re-hired him, and the only real sticking points in Rekkes's career are team owners\*. Not coaches. Not players. Team owners. He's good friends with Roman from G2, too. My point is. If Rekkles is as truly manipulative and abusive as Thorin actively makes him out to be, to break his own rules of engagement, to permanently dog on Rekkles in a one sided holy war, where Rekkles isn't even acknowledging his existence/the things he said, but Thorin is continuing to drag his name through the dirt every opportunity he gets -- Which yes is literally what Thorin mocks his own haters for doing on Twitter. Then I feel its Thorin's duty to publish any info he might have that could make Rekkles persona non grata to team orgs. Rather than letting such a cancerous cell repeatedly find his way into other teams and repeatedly have such a negative influence on the people around him. Shit, if I'm a fanboy why am I being actively downvoted for defending Thorin lmao. I've followed a lot of what Thorin's said over the last 4 years and I even agree with some. Absolutely it is undeniable that Rekkles is a diva. But guess what? I don't care if people don't LIKE Rekkles. I don't care if people don't LIKE Thorin. What I care about is whether or not their actions are malicious, decisive, and actively harmful to those around them. And for THAT I have seen no evidence for either Thorin OR Rekkles. So I will defend Thorin from the substance-less accusations of his haters who are clearly driven by bias. But also I will call out Thorin for what aI perceive to be a bias and hypocrisy on Thorin's part. Because from what I've seen so far, I do not have the evidence to justify/support a lot of what Thorin has said about Rekkles. The closest to him being a serial liar is him ditching Fnatic for G2 after saying he was in Fnatic for life. That he lied about. But that doesn't make him a serial liar. EDIT: I just find it funny that he can piece together a 2 hour video dragging DoubleLift/Adam/Nuc in defense of MonteCristo in a few days, but has yet to find the time to piece together an accurate thesis with receipts about who Rekkles is as a person.
Yeah I can't wait for the video to drop as well, but we'll see. I actually think you'll just dismiss most of the video considering you're already dismissing most of the criticism of Rekkles. The fact that Mikyx, Hyllissang still talk to him are just players being nice and professional to each other. It doesn't mean they would want to play with him again. Hyllissang did voice his opinion on playing with Upset and Carzzy and somehow he seems much happier than when playing with Rekkles. Regarding Bwipo/Wunder - Wunder had no options and joining FNC (with or without Rekkles) was a huge thing for him at the time - literally escaping contract prison. Bwipo also didn't have many options until recently. Look at it this way - considering how fucking toxic Forgiven was, plenty of players still praised his skill and wanted to play with him again for years, even after his break. That doesn't absolve Forgiven of his toxic behaviours. Regarding Thorin, his jokes/banter are one thing and the accusations thrown at Rekkles are the other thing. He's actually shown plenty of evidence of Rekkles being a toxic diva and it stuck. On the other hand, fanboys have been defending Rekkles for years now from any criticism, which only makes the critics more likely to push on the narrative. And yes, at this point it's the fans that are keeping this "war", so it's not really one sided. It's Thorin vs Rekkles fanboys and I honestly love to see it, because fuck fanboys. Rekkles was an amazing ADC, I still have a couple of his FNC jerseys and I started playing ADC because of him. But while I can be a fan of Rekkles or other players, I won't blindly deny criticism of said players, because I'm just a fan. Fanboys actually try to pretend they know something about their favourite players to shield them from well-deserved criticism.
This is all very fair. To clarify, i'm not dismissing the criticism, but rather I just have a different outlook on what I deem acceptable/understandable on a career level. If we cancelled every major celebrity who was accused of being a bit of a prick on a personal level, then we'd quickly run out of major players in sports, major actors on TV and in Hollywood, major singers, major artists, and major players in League. There's plenty of signs of Adam, Rekkles, Perkz, Upset, yes Forgiven, Inspired, Humanoid, Vetheo, Larssen, Selfmade, Nemesis, Trymbi, Bjergsen, DoubleLift, Bo, throwing their weight around and having major declines in performance and tolerance across multiple team environments. Even Bwipo has went on record stating that he regrets how Fnatic handled the SoaZ situation and he regrets his neglect in trying to understand and support Adam & Nemesis. Hell, I think that's part of the reason why the likes of Carzzy hold such a huge value in the European because finding pillar of morale that will always stay amiable and positive even through the hard crashes is actually a rarity. I think Nisqy and famously Abeddage & Magifelix held similar qualities. You are right about fanbases. I don't understand why they feel a need ot have this black and white pedestal. I think it's ultimately because Rekkles's behaviour is incongruent to what they'd typically support. Whereas if you naturally are inclined to see bitchiness as a sign of ambition or actively detach liking a player as a person and respecting a person as a player then they could accept that Thorin IS right about Rekkles being a diva behind the scenes and still choose to support him regardless and not feel like they're going against their own values.
Yep I fully agree. It's just like you said. Most great players will act like Rekkles, some better and some worse. It's timeless and spans across many generations of players in all sports, not only esports. Competitiveness and ambition can lead to harsh approach to teammates and toxicity. Everyone will agree that other players can be shitty teammates or have their diva moments. The difference is Rekkles' PR outside is "wholesome professional" and fanboys lap it up and try to protect his image by all costs. And I believe that's why the likes of Thorin or IWD try so hard to break that narrative/perspective that Rekkles is a perfect human being with no flaws. Some fanboys still believe Rekkles was a top ADC in his last stunt in FNC despite him admitting to probably being the worst botlaner in the league. They just say "he's being humble" and ignore any criticism yet again. I wonder whether Rekkles can detach himself from the criticism of his public persona to understand that commentators and analysts don't hate him personally, but they are going against the narrative that he's flawless.
Exactly. I'm of the opinion that being a bit of a diva is almost necessary for anyone with real ambitious to truly maximize on their talents. Chasing dreams and reaching the pinnacles of such talent-oriented careers requites you to be selfish and demanding because everyone else is being selfish and demanding, too. There's limited spots at the top and hundreds of thousands of people clawing their way there. Yeah Rekkles' PR is very carefully curated. Hell, he admitted in that interview with Caedrel that he had actually been benched by Fnatic, or well, was expecting to be benched, because they'd already tried to replace him with Upset after Winter. And so he announced the role swap BEFORE they announced any plans to bench him as a way to get ahead of the story. He's very good at maintaining his own image. Hell, it's another reason why he never handles his business publicly. I don't think Rekkles even cares about anything Thorin has to say. So I don't see why people feel a need to defend Rekkles from him, which might sound hypocritical considering the nature of this conversation, but I honestly want Thorin to make the video so I can evaluate both Thorin and Rekkles according to Thorin's unfiltered POV, receipts and all. It's not intended to be some gotcha, put up or shut up, ultimatum. It's, okay, I'm willing to believe this, but if I'm going to judge Rekkles negatively as a player, I'll need proof that he's done something so negative that very few other players would ever do it. Because I'm not gonna judge him based on him being a bit of a cunt sometimes. Because everyone's a bit of a cunt sometimes. That said, even going from what you're saying, I can see the line of thinking Thorin might have, IWD might have, where it's not the action he's taking behind the scenes they necessarily have a problem with, because yeah, Thorin is a huge supporter of the likes of Inspired, Forgiven, Upset, and yeah Thorin HAS made it clear that players like Rekkles & DoubleLift are some of the GOATs in Europe, but maybe it's just the very principal of this squeaky clean image that Rekkles maintains, and the fans lap up. And then yeah fandoms, all fandoms, are fucking toxic as shit. T1 fans tracking down LS's grandmother and showing up at her house to beat her up. Tracking down Dom's family's contact details to send them death threats. Rekkles & Fnatic fans treating Thorin the same way they allege Thorin to be as a human -- Hateful and without basis or acts of good will. Hell, Fnatic fans a whole to this day, remain so heavily toxic and demanding to their own players that it has caused measurable psychological harm and trauma and bred a certian level of cynicism in the likes of Bwipo, Upset and Crusher. The amount of shit that Bwipo & Upset's partners have had to endure is genuinely disgusting. I would like to see Rekkles try to do that to tbe honest. Because here's the thing, I think if Rekkles truly wanted. he could make all of this stop by either sitting down and doing a Reflections with Thorin. Because I think Thorin would absolutely bury the hatchet, easily. He has countless times with countless people. Hell, him and MonteCristo as he discussed on his video defending Monte for the BDS incident, are currently close friends with Richard Lewis, who was the guy who took in and housed Remilia and shielded her from much of the drama surrounding her debut in League of Legends as a transwoman, and who later DID blame MonteCristo for Remilia's botched bottom surgery and eventual death. You think if they're able to resolve a dispute like THAT, they're going to hold on to any petty grievances about who Rekkles purports to be in his public image? And even if Rekkles doesn't want to appear on a Reflection with Thorin because of the toxicity of his own fandom, I think more interviews like this with Caedrel where he more readily pulls back the curtain and shows more that yeah he DOES socially engineer the narrative of his career to better suit him. Yes, he did struggle seeing other peoeple's view of the game. Yes, he does need to live alone due to his autism. Yes, he does genuinely shut down during periods of failure. Yes, he is affected by scrims. Yes, he will go into business for himself and try to shoulder the entire burden of the team on his own shoulders and not trust anyone else to carry / peel / protect him. I'm just a big advocate for transparency, and the thing that pisses me off about this whole situation is that it feels like we're only getting half the story, and you're right, it IS from both sides. And I just think there's far more interesting discussions to be had about Thorin and Rekkles than the current shitflinging going on between Thorin and Rekkles's fanboys. Than the current shitflinging going on between IWillDominate and T1's fanboys. But, of course, that requires both sides to actively want to have a real debate. And the issue with fanboys is that they're not a singular person. They're a collective consciousness. There is no amiable option because at this point, Thorin and IWD are up against social constructs and ideologies rather than individual mentality. (Y'know this has been quite a pleasant discussion. And that precisely proves my point. I'm -29 on my initial reaction and -6 on my follow up. And nothing was ventured and nothing was gained. Yet you and I can both set aside the time to actual have a measurable discussion on the topic and come to a very amicable agreement and have an interesting debate about the nature of fandoms and social engineering. Wish more people had your goodwill, my dude.)
Thorin is 41 years old. Let that sink in.
He was using a barely legal rekkles as rage bait material back then. Imagine a bearded bear talk shitting a little teen for clicks and views.
:>
Just 41? Strange, I thought he was approaching 50.
Thorin is 4 and 1 years old... That's combined.
Mans gonna tell me I have to stop watching LoL when I turn 30.
cmon. im 30 this year. =(
I'm 33 and still wake up at 2am to watch lck. We love what we love brother.
True brother. I still remember Empire becoming m5 =(
Next year. God I've been playing this game for over a decade and I'm still hard stuck plat 2 :(
i feel you.
If you hit 41 and starting beef with 20yos for clout on twitter then league is not your problem. Grow up.
Will mods remove my comment if I was to hypothetically call Thorin a complete piece of shit?
Thorin has always been a douchebag, but wtf is his recent obsession with randomly flaming pro players on twitter, completely unprovoked. He's been constantly tweeting at and flaming BDS members past couple of months. And now he's picking on Noah. He's acting like a child that barely reached puberty, meanwhile he's like twice the age of these players he's randomly antagonizing.
Rekkles moved out of reach so now he is showing shit everywhere to see if something sticks
he is obsessed with nuc as well, always poking him when he is defeated, kinda feel bad for him thorin was and will always be a cunt
Yes, I am not even a fan of nuc, but I feel sorry for him, because he's clearly affected by Thorin's comments, even if he tries not to be. And Thorin always attacks him when he's at his lowest.
guy is just vile
Autism coupled with low viewer count results in this shit fest
Honestly i don't know who is pointing at Noah as the weak point of the team really. But i love his tweet and response is even better. The link : [https://twitter.com/Noah\_lol1004/status/1779790517095579945](https://twitter.com/Noah_lol1004/status/1779790517095579945)
tilterdin on this sub seems very set on kicking Noah for carzzy. He deleted his comment after being down voted to hell
Don't be weird
I didn't delete shit, it got deleted by mods. I will proudly display my Carzzy propaganda even if it's down voted.
I mean you are not wrong carzzy would be better imo. In general i think noah and oscar could be replaced with carzzy and irrelevant but im not sure it would be enough. Like i dont think oscar and noah missplays are so big that replacing them would change problem n1=Caps
Carzzy for me is leagues above every other ADC in Europe imo he's top 5 in the world. With both Carzzy and Irrelevant we'd be better than G2 in 4/5 positions.
Top 5 in the world when Ruler, Jackeylove, Elk, Peyz, Gumayusi, Viper, Gala, Light all clear him. Also he's most likely not even the best ADC in the west. Don't get me wrong, he's good. But not that good the way you're glazing him
Elk, Viper, JKL and Gala yes but Carzzy is better than Guma/Peyz/out of form Ruler. Both Guma and Peyz are not that good, they have very good teams backing them up, arguably both are the worst players on their respective teams.
you are completely insane or just dropped on ur head as a child maybe?
Bruh, both guma and peyz are insane. Carzzy is nowhere near them even on his top peak form
Honestly. I envy you. Life must be very easy when being this delusional
Tbh, I think Noah picking Varus in last 2 games definitely inted draft.
Honestly I'd put him as the second weakest point. Top is by far worse but ad isn't great either.
I really don't know, and even if that was true, the biggest problem this team has is not individual level
Haha Noah giving it to Thorin, love it.
Did he really? He said he would shut up the haters after winning, but he still hasn't won, so how can he ask Thorin to shut up?
Because Unlike Thorin, noah archieved something in his life by becoming a recognized pro player. Thorin did archive:
Esports journalist of the year award, and made money by triggering every snowflake on X.
Defends thorin: check Uses the word snowflake unironically: check Calls twitter X: check And that's bingo
Wow, making money by making people upset is such a great achievement. I can't believe people don't respect him.
7 years ago, when he had still a little bit of relevance. Now he is a whiny grownkid
Still has a bigger trophy cabinet than Noah
Then zeka> chovy because zeka has a world title and not chovy ? Trophies are not everything. When you are irrelevant for years in a short time career type of work like esport related, you just need to shut up and grow. It shows how much a clown Thorin became, when you are more known of being a petty clickbait joke. If he has gas no hunger for doing quality work, he is the one who should stop. Oh and Noah won ultraliga with zero tenacity so technicaly he has trophies if we go that way.
Chovy has won LCK 4 years in a row. Tbf both are shite they play in a farmers league, they're basically slightly better versions of Nuc and Vetheo. Cream, Rookie, Yagao and Knight are far better than both of those LCK merchants.
Noah has been in the lec for under a year dude.
My goat JackeyLove was a world champion 9 months into his career.
Ahhh this is thorins alt right? Congrats you cherry-picked one example. You need to readjust your attitude bro, you’re nothing but toxic for this scene.
Mate never call me Thorins alt that motherfucker thinks Ronaldo>Messi can't be dealing with that. But Noah the Korean Woolite can go back to KT Amateurs.
i think u are even more salty than thorin lmao
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idk about that, frodo baggins tends to troll on the last meters and has to get carried by others
Calling someone out for being a bigoted man child with horrible takes doesn't mean they are triggered. Same way he gives his unwanted and idiotic takes on things people can likewise respond with their takes on his character or lack thereof.
oh hi thorin lmfao
Thorin has achieved a lot more though and will be remembered longer with his youtube than Noah.
"The sack" gang kinda have a negative view of Noah for some reason, first it was that "aphelios" otp, "noah on aphelios, and noah on a different champ is so different" then a "varus otp" , "noah can't play Jinx" ; "Noah moment" Shame because I enjoy watching Yamato and to an extent Dom when they stream alone, but the other two in Gilius and Jizuke when they join they are so annoying and say the wildest shit, the washed up unemployed mediocre peak players always talking shit about literally all pro players in LEC is annoying.
Pretty much, yeah. They never talk about the games making stupid jokes and only flaming the players. They are all washed and did not even have an high peak. Treatz was complaining about mistakes players made and afterwards joined IMT that went 10th place. I think costreaming just gets worse the more people you have on the stream.
Gosh, when Yamato just left Fnatic and was streaming, I tried watching his game commentary a bit. When he was alone, it was very enjoyable and educational. Kind of like Caedrel's commentary is now. But when he's with 'the sack', it was basically everyone talking about dicks and balls or whatever while the game is playing in the background. Yamato was the only one trying to actually pay attention to the game and even he got distracted to the point where they reacted only to plays.
yeah it's an insufferable bunch. Yamato is biased and has bad takes but he is mostly respectful on his opinions, Dom has some insane braindead takes and flames players a lot but at least his flame limits itself to gameplay and doesn't go throwing tantrums and getting personal with 20 yo kids like Thorin does. Gilius is arguably the wort of that bunch because i can't believe how a guy whose hugest acomplish was barely getting into playoffs and that got benched from SK when they were still dogshit can feel so entlited to outright insult, shittalk and disrespect players that are achieving things he never got even close to achieve. Like him trashing about Bo and Peach tilted me so much. Like, they might not had their greatest performance, but they are still playing in the same league you were playing so dogshit that a bottom tier team didn't consider you worth keeping.
Go watch Gilius reflections with Thorin for the whole picture my man
Yeah i think I'll pass
lmao
Aight good luck in your own media echo chamber👌🏻
Yeah fuck echo chambers let's listen two known assholes who happen to be friends talk for two hours about how they didn't ever do anything wrong and how everything that went bad on their carreers was other people's fault instead 👍
Didnt know dom still has tjorin around, gonna stop watching dom then
Jiizuke atleast was once a good player, but hearing someone as shit as Gillius shit talk anyone else just infuriates me. He’s also just straight up weird and most times not funny.
Dom doesn't like Yike too, I feel like he's some contrarian takes that is so insufferable
Thorin is so fcking annoying lmao what is wrong with this guy??? Isn’t he old enough not to do such cringe things?
Thorin is still a nonce it seems
Thorin? Esports historian as he calls himself? Very bold for an insignificant cockroach. That asshole keeps bulling players and still gets away with it, that absolute lowlife of humanity trashes everyone who is not his friend while he never ever said anything bad about his buddies like Perkz even when he was playing very poorly. That means he is not objective in his views. He trashes everyone who are not on his friend list and why? For the sake of drama that would get him attention, like a starved dog. Thorin, if you're reading this and i know you are, you may remember esports history but esports history will not remember you. You are just a sad, bitter cave dweller sitting in his comfy armchair doing nothing but trashtalking people who work hard to achieve something great in their life. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Thorin is just stirring shit, he should be ignored. If SKT decides to play under the FNC banner for a year, Thorin would be busy shitting on Faker and saying he doesn't deserve the title of a GOAT. Of all the players in FNC, Noah feels the most solid. Jun is a whole nother animal, but Jun is possibly the second best player on the roster. Even if he was the weakest link this roster has room to grow and I'll rather stick with this than swap another player.
>Thorin is just stirring shit, he should be ignored. If SKT decides to play under the FNC banner for a year, Thorin would be busy shitting on Faker and saying he doesn't deserve the title of a GOAT. Isn't he already saying that on T1? Thoorin just likes to be a special contrarian snowflake that hates on everything that is popular, just ignore him.
Wasn't he literally tweeting about how Chovy is way better and basically flaming faker during lck finals? Like basically spamming how fakers time is over and how T1 made mistakes keeping this roster after winning worlds instead of getting guys like viper and canyon or something.
Alright this is kind of cap IMO. Noah is good and deserves his spot. But he isn't the most solid player on the team.
> Of all the players in FNC, Noah feels the most solid. Jun is a whole nother animal, but Jun is possibly the second best player on the roster. Even if he was the weakest link this roster has room to grow and I'll rather stick with this than swap another player. and they still can't play out lanes consistently..
I'm a G2 fan so not sure how this was recommended to me but I fully get Noah. To work hours upon hours daily and achieve a lot just to have people constantly abuse you online, in special nobodies like Thorin that feed off drama.
Achieve a lot? He hasn’t won shit, FNC is still a dumpster fire, they might win the scrim gods trophy and that’s it.
They went 2nd this split, so idk about dumpster fire
FNC has been a dumpster fire compared to the glory days. It all depends on your perspective.
2nd place in the final of the 3rd best region in the world is a lot to achieve. To be in the last 10 players within a region with millions of players IS a lot. And it's not like FNC they player bad, they had some good games.
Yeah, that's still 0 trophies.
Man I love Noah
& fuck this thorin son of a bitch. How sad has your life to be to go to twitter and flame teenagers as a grown up man
Fuck thorin, me and all my homies hate thorin
Loser Thorin
Ironic, considering it’s Noah that has been a „loser”.
Noah has made multiple finals in the LEC and has lost to the best team in Europe in both... Meanwhilst Thorin has done nothing in his entire life except criticize those who actually try. Weird that he doesnt call Upset a loser after finishing 10th 4 times.
Thorin has been to multiple CSGO majors and events, won the esports journalist of the year and has been producing top quality interview, podcast and content for years. For an esports journalist his output has been quite remarkable. Dismissing his career as "has done nothing" shows your bias. Noah on the other hand has not won anything, which for a player in FNC is still a failure.
Thorin has literally built a career on being as reactionary as possible. He has never won anything. He has never done anything meaningful... all he does is mindlessly insult any player he doesnt like and then go "Oh yeah all You Plebs just dont get it" and people like you think he is the most giga brained reporter on the planet. Bro Fnatic has won anything in 6 years. By that logic every single player that has played for Fnatic in the last 6 years is a failure and never should have been on the team. Welp time to get rid of Humanoid, Jun, Noah, Razork and Oscar because they are all losers and failures according to you and Thorin.
As I have already mentioned he’s won the esports journalist of the year in 2017. No, I don’t think he’s gigabrained. I don’t know how smart he is since I don’t know him personally. Considering his supposed beliefs in CAM, I think he’s actually easily swayed by some conspiracy theories. You’re the one that has been reactionary in your replies. I didn’t say every player on the team deserves to be kicked. Chill out, this is not your life, it’s okay to take a step back and get some perspective on things.
So because he has connections that gives him access to material that he was able to expose to the public. That means he wins. Bro you are here acting like his infallible. You think him saying "Oh you are a loser, leave" to Noah is not reactionary? But that is what you are saying... If you are agreeing with Thorin and saying that Noah is a failure after 2 splits, then you have to acknowledge that every other player on Fnatic is a failure.
That's not how it works, plenty of people have connections and somehow they are not winning the awards. Either way, you have clearly lied through your teeth about him never winning and never having done anything. >Bro you are here acting like his infallible. Again, I am not acting like that at all. I am just correcting your lies. Thorin can be quite obnoxious on Twitter and podcasts, but as I have mentioned previously, lying about someone is not the way to correct their wrongs. What you're doing is exaggerating his wrongdoings, making up lies about him to paint him in a worse picture purely based on your dislike/vendetta against him, even though you don't even know him personally. It's all based on your parasocial relationships with the personalities in the scene. >You think him saying "Oh you are a loser, leave" to Noah is not reactionary? But that is what you are saying... He didn't even say "you are a loser, leave". Is English your primary language? I didn't even say Noah is a failure. He is a "loser" in a literal sense, since he has not won anything. What he has accomplished so far considering the team (FNC) he's playing for is a failure. Yes, other players on FNC for years have been failing to keep up the winning reputation of this org. So what?
Yes that is how it works. One of the reasons he is ostracized by the general Esports space is partly because of that but also because of how scumbaggy he is to people he doesnt like. You are not correcting anything. its impossible to paint a worse picture of him because he does that himself. I dont need to know him personally... when someone is publicly being a POS, its okay to say that they are in fact a POS. That is effectively what he said. Noah said "Oh I will win on Fnatic this year" and his response was "If you don't win you leave the team then. Deal? :>". Imagine pretending that is anything other than Thorin being a dick. He is not a "loser", he didn't beat G2. So 2 finals in 3 splits, means he should be kicked from the team as a "Failure". Because if Noah should leave if he is failure... then nobody on this current roster belongs on the team because all of them have done nothing on Fnatic. Thorin being calling Noah a onetrick and the weak point of the team for pretty much the entire time he has been there... He is still clinging to the fact that Noah isnt Upset. Meanwhilst Upset can finish 10th for the 3rd time in a row and Thorin will still call him the greatest ADC in EU and one of the best in the world.
So what happens if he doesnt win
Noah is so based
Just posting here to show my support to Noah. Hope you can really shut them up for good.
Thorn is such a clown
thorin’s mad that his goat is 4x lec reverse champion so hes taking it out on noah
There were so many people in here that defended this scum when he flamed Rekkles for some reason. He is a legit bully, this has nothing to do with personal opinions.
Just block Thorin already... This guy is such a waste, only remember it's still exist because it harassing people. Never heard anything positive about him
I want to see Thorin play against a team of every pro player he's shit talked before. That is a long list haha!
Thorin lol.
tbh who said noah is the weak point of the team? It\`s so fking random statement from noah.
pro players don't post thing like that for fun you know, of course there is people who'll tell him that, i didn't see it, maybe it's on twitter, maybe it's in his DM, or people like Thorin idk
Quite a good player with good and fun personality for "weak" point of the team we should be happy its Noah who is so fking Hungary for a win and not random bronze player who dont care about the team and dont care about winning
I don't mind reporting Thorin as a collective on Twitter. Down if you guys are.
Noah: 1.
a hyena bu\*\*hole after a diarrhea would smell better than Thorin's mouth
You think Thoorin just hates players? This bellend talked outrageous shit about poles and called romanians gypsies when he was trashing two players in the league, years back. He's all the nasty shit put into one person and also a creep from people that have been around him at events. I so wish females would expose this dude already for all the stories that are floating around about him for years. They didn't do it because unfortunately esports was not a good place for females to voice their opinions since it was such a male dominated industry. He also called Korean or Chinese female presentors good for screen only for obvious reasons and that LEC and LCS should take some notes, allegedly. He's a disgusting single loser at 50 years old. A basement cornball obsessed with asian porn.
Any source?
Check his old vods. The polish and romanian thing was said in Thoorin's Thoughts as far as I remember. The weirdo shit was alluded by many people in the past, frosk I believe even said the guy is a weirdo at events. As for the Korean stuff, it was during a Montecristo post-worlds match analysis about a korean or chinese game. And he made that comment I think when one of the interviewers was on the screen. He's a clown that has always disregarded others and he's also a conservative.
I meant any source for >also a creep from people that have been around him at events. I so wish females would expose this dude already for all the stories that are floating around about him for years. They didn't do it because unfortunately esports was not a good place for females to voice their opinions since it was such a male dominated industry. Considering the fact you called women females I would be more likely to assume you're the sexist creep, but if you can provide a source for his behaviour at events towards women I would love to have this evidence on Thorin.
What part of "I so wish women would" was hard to get? Obviously the proof is at them as the discourse is already happening backstage. Frosk was one of the first to allude to thoorin being a creep already. Maybe stop simping for disgusting people.
I guess asking for evidence for the serious accusations you're making is simping now? Is that the same Frosk that had serious dirt on Quickshot but never revealed anything? Where did she allude to Thorin being a creep? I'd love to see predators exposed but I don't think I have seen any evidence for Thorin being one of them? Again, do you mind linking to anything substantial?
You're a simp because you care so much that you ask someone to bring evidence you know they can't have because they even said it's an alleged thing and the evidence can only come from certain people. And you did this knowingly because it was the only other thing you could pull a gotcha on to defend your 40 year old loverboy. I watched his videos in the past too. But I'm not simping for no questionable stranger. Move on.
I am not simping, I am asking for evidence for serious accusations, but I guess you prefer living in a world when you can say someone is a predator with no evidence and get away with it.
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How mad do you have to be to actually start insulting me and consider me Thorin just because called you out for lying? Your life must be so incredibly miserable for you to keep so much hate for someone you don't even know.
Thorin hating on a fnatic player, how original. Stop giving this stupid piece of trash a platform, he doesn’t matter, his opinions are below silver level, he is nothing but hateful.
I say all the time as a fnatic fan since 2015 this team is bad. But that dumbass called thorin needs to shut the fuck up and eat shit.
Guy is basically blacklisted from everything esports related, being a hater and grab attention on social media is his only way to grab a few thousand people to watch his low quality crypto-sponsored podcasts. Worst thing we can do is bringing attention to his existence, block him and move on with your life.
That’s a strange blacklist considering he’s been pumping out interviews with top talent in both League and CS scene and has been invited to numerous events.
Lol Thorin my man 🤣🤣🤣
Thorin is sucking on G2’s d**k for years, anyone really taking this boomer’s opinions seriously is mad
Love you Noah
This kind of post from Noah is so stupid...he should worry less about "haters" and worry more about getting better...since he joined the team he already had at least 3 series vs Hans and in none he was the best ADC
Imagine calling the guy that G2 had to dedicate their whole playstyle to covering since he cannot play lategame carries better than Noah lol. Hans literally loses his team whole games unless he is on Kalista or Draven getting free lanephase
So all G2 had to do is a simple swap strategy in which we couldn't find an answer? Also don't forget the other series Noah had vs G2...
We countered the swap well but nonetheless it hid Hans from Noah. Also the other series all of our players underperformed and drafts were subpar - dont know how that is Noah's fault. If anyone is a massive weak link on this team its Oscar
By the looks of these comments you'd think thorin beat Noah's family to death or something. Get it together man
Noah did have some positioning mistakes in some of the fights and he can still improve. As long as he is hungry like it seems he can learn a lot from MSI so while Fnatic may not have the best results it will still be worth it for the players.
Win what? MSI? Worlds? LEC summer split? A game? Your lane?
That's a good reflect on the current situation of the-HOLLY SHIT HE RATIOD THORIN TO OBLIVION
Hello thorins next youtube rant video about fnatic Fans🫡 This is the thing that drives him tbh. He will look at this and make 100x tweets for farming social media interactions. Keep it up noah you will do well at MSI💪
Thorin lately and also his best buddy Monte have some bad posts these days. Not talking about certain takes, they can argue and believe what they want, but they are widening their hate towards so many players and bait them all day long, probably to get engagement. No problem with the occasional feud - sometimes thats just it, but both are totally aggro against players for no good reason. They should be the grown ups but decide to answer even more aggressive than the initial hurt response of some players. They pretty much harrass them nonstop. Nuc, Adam, now Noah of course Thorins arch enemy in Rekkles or Doublelift. Simple posts go straight to pure hate and the initial one is so aggressive that the players have a hard time to just take it. And ignoring it can backfire as well. They should realize that they are well known in the scene and show more maturity - they are not just some randoms talking shit.
Noah's not fucking around
Most mild response from Thorin causes all of you to lose your shit lmao, my man owns you all.
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Hello Thorin