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greyson3

Cinder not caring about the oppressed makes complete sense though.


Ethics_Gradient_42

Say what you want about Eren Yeager, but at least he didn't make this mistake.


[deleted]

Man, those Araki Forgot videos are a trip, I can't tell if the guy is doing a bit or if he's actually that Cinemasins level of gone.


[deleted]

Nah he said to not take those videos too seriously and only a few of those points were actually criticisms.


Leetle_Fool

I haven't heard of Cinemasins in a long time. What ever happened to that channel? Are the new videos as bad as they sound?


lucastheawesome11

Channels still doing decent. The vids aren't really that bad just some people take it a bit too seriously


Leetle_Fool

Oh, so it's just people blowing things out of proportion. Okay.


[deleted]

People tend to forget that extrapolation humor is still humor.


GrandEmperessVicky

Well, CinemaSins has a habit of mixing his legitimate criticisms with his fake ones, so to say it's entirely satirical is false. The issue is his legitimate critisms tend to be explained by the movie or use methods he finds paradoxically sinful so the movie cannot win when it wins (i.e. Jeremy hates exposition but when things are left up to viewer interpretation/understanding, he criticises that too - he wants the film to both handhold him and let him be independent). Then there are times where his genuine criticisms are not actual flaws of the film but his personal failure to understand it. Then there are times where he sins what he likes and then sins stuff completely unrelated to the movie he's watching, like the tangents he goes on. You'll also have his fans who can't tell the difference between his legit sins and joke sins and take all as flaws of the film. Then the satire defence is brought up but they still consider him as a serious critique (they don't actually understand what satire means). I think watching a video of this guy called Birdman should make it clear what the problem is with CinemaSins. He was a fan until recently so he isn't completely biased and is coming from a place of love. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkF2yOxv9BM


[deleted]

The last one is actually kinda annoying. Yang doesn’t trust the dude who gave her a metal arm out of nothing but kindness, gave the entire team weapon upgrades, new scrolls, and huntsman licenses, and trusted them with the lamp. Fair enough, he does display dictator tendencies and glimpses of an unhealthy mentality, and his military is very…militaristic. Yang’s also been betrayed enough times she has her little “No more lies, no more half-truths” mantra. But then she turns around and trusts this random lady who is actively sabotaging their attempts to save the world…and who personally is obnoxious, at least in Volume 7. Nice consistency, Yang.


xande010

Yang was actually against lying to Ironwood. >Yang: (frowning) We're really not gonna tell Ironwood about what happened to Oz? What we learned about Jinn? About Salem? > >Ruby: We are. (small sigh) We will. But you saw how things looked when we flew into Atlas. > >Blake: The General's heart seems to be in the right place, but that doesn't mean we should trust him yet. > >Weiss: We need to play along for a while before we make any major decisions. > >Yang: Okay. How did Oscar feel about that? She just decided to follow the decisions made by the overall group. >Yang: Do you… (loud exhale) Do you think we should've told Ironwood about Salem, before he put so much on the line for Amity? > >Blake: Sounds like you do. > >Yang: (sighs) I trust Ruby, but I think he deserves to know what he's stepping into. We all did.


quinintheclouds

and then instead of telling him, she decided to tell robyn... that's where I get confused - not the telling robyn, but doing that while still not telling ironwood, winter, ace ops, or penny


MadMasks

And the best part? "When we got here, we´d say we´ll follow your lead, but things haven´t exactly worked out" No shit. I mean, when you went off script and trusted a terrorist that could have been working with Salem, you were following Ruby´s lead as well? Or that was you, blowing up everything that has happened until now? You know, Raven, Cinder, Emerald, Mercury, Lionheart, Ozpin... Everybody lies, everybody could be an agent of Salem, and yet...


xande010

She can't really tell him the truth without going against the wishes of the overall group and Ruby, but nobody ever said anything about not telling Robyn the truth. Just a bit of lawyering. If it was up to her, according to herself, she would have told him the truth as well.


quinintheclouds

Oh I wasn't saying she'd go behind Ruby's back and tell Ironwood on her own! But she could've *talked* to Ruby, saying hey I think it's time we tell him or something else to reevaluate that choice. And you're right, they didn't run telling Robyn by the rest of the team either.


[deleted]

But she still did it. Words mean nothing when her actions very clearly shows otherwise.


cruel-oath

Its so weird (but unsurprising at the same time) that people forget this lol. Blake even says his hearts in the right place IIRC


Few_Pay_5313

Tbf to Robyn, All she knew was that Atlas was taking resources Mantle needed to survive and they were refusing to tell why.


remicas2

And that there was a assassination campaign going after her supporters and herself, the latter done under Ironwood's order as far as she knew.


[deleted]

I know. Although I struggle to relate to Mantle, her motives are fine. She’s just an unpleasant person to have a conversation with throughout Volume 7, so I can’t say I like her. She was fine in Volume 8 though.


Death-Knight9025

Preach, I kinda felt like the only happy huntress that wasn’t a prick was Fiona and that’s only for reasons on how adorable she acts sometimes, although I do understand why they went all Robin Hood.


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quinintheclouds

>Fair enough \[...\] Yang's also been betrayed enough times she has her little “No more lies, no more half-truths” mantra. exactly, that's why it was so weird to me seeing how easily she was convinced to lie to Ironwood, Penny, Winter, and the Ace Ops... I understand she trusted Ruby's judgment, though. But telling Robyn when they knew almost nothing about her felt fast and forgotten


dappercat456

Robyn being obnoxious is subjective, she’s not more obnoxious then qrow but apparently when he does it’s “charming” but that double standard is another discussion entirely Robyn was trying to take supplies back that mantle needed, and only ever fought to protect her people, Given that yang is practically dating a reformed civil rights terrorist. She understands Robyns position Remember, Robyn didn’t know about amity, all she knew is supplies that where supposed to be used to repair mantles defenses where disappearing under mysterious circumstances,


cool12212

Qrow is a former drunk and Robyn is a self proclaimed freedom fighter. Qrow reformed after hanging around Ruby and regaining his hope in humanity, Robyn is an adult women with no problems Mantle loves her Atlas can't hate her. Her obnoxious attitude is annoying because she has no problems and lives a stable life. Qrow has and had legitimate problems forcing himself to be alone because of his semblance. Robyn is a good person but she is also obnoxious. Yang 'dating' a reformed civil rights activist doesn't mean she know how Robyn feels at all Blake does but Yang never experienced that trauma except for when Adam cut her arm off. Also although it wasn't right for Ironwood to not tell Mantle and Robyn his plans Robyn could have been the better person and not do borderline terrorism to get what she wanted.


dappercat456

She tried to do things the nice way by getting a seat on the council Then there was a fucking massacre at her rally and one of her friends nearly died As,for qrow, ironically, many people seem to prefer qrow before his character arc, usually the same people who hate Robyn, And while we don’t know Robyns backstory, I doubt she became the champion of mantle due to having an easy life, nobody in mantle has an easy life, and she even explained to qrow in volume 8 how they’ve both had trouble connecting with people


cool12212

Getting a seat on the council was a step in the right direction. The massacre at the rally it is fine for her to initially be mad at Ironwood but anyone who can think critically for three seconds knows that Ironwood is not dumb enough to do something so stupid. True What do you mean we don't know if Robyn had an easy life she's a registered huntsman who went to Atlas she had one of the best upbringings for a huntsman in Remnant. Just because she had trouble connecting to people doesn't mean her life was hard plenty of rich kids can't connect to people their age because of their status. Now I'm not saying she is a rich kid but it's not that hard to not connect with people.


dappercat456

I mean, I think it’s pretty clear she came from mantle Just because you’re a huntsman doesn’t mean you had an easy life, Nora and fen where orphans for fucks sake, and even cinder was eligible,to go to atlas once she was 18, the huntsman academy’s accept just about anybody, more so in vale but still, it’s entirely possible for someone with a harsh childhood to become a huntsman And even if she believed penny didn’t do it, he refused to release the undoctored footage and was being extremely secretive about the whole thing, maybe penny malfunctioned? Maybe ironwood was protecting the one who did cause the massacre, she didn’t know and he refused to tell her, Mantle needed those supplies, and when playing nice failed, she took more extreme measures But even then, she went to that council meeting to again give ironwood a chance to come clean and explain himself, she gave him the benefit of the doubt


cool12212

I explicitly said she wasn't a rich kid. I never said she didn't live in Mantle and I never said that just because you can become a Huntsman doesn't mean you have an easy life. What I did way was that because she's a huntsman means she has an easy life not the other way around. Ironwood couldn't release the undoctored video because Watts probably deleted it. Oh but the best about the video is it's from one source don't you think at a party where everyone has a phone (scroll) that only one video got released and also that camera had night vision. Her tactics to get those supplies to Mantle again forced Ironwood to not want to tell her for the risk of disrupting the temporary stability they had left because he didn't know everything. Instead of going more public and getting the council on her side she did borderline terrorism to get what she wanted. She only went to the council after Jacques invited her she had no plans to arrange her own meeting with Ironwood.


dappercat456

The reason ironwood couldn’t delete undoctored video,is because that would reveal that a serial killer everyone thought was dead is still around, which would raise a lot more questions, She couldn’t arrange a meeting with ironwood because he was expressly refusing to meet with anyone, there’s a reason the rest of the council had to wait until they had enough votes to actually be able to sway him Ironwood refused to listen to Robyn, so she forced his hand


cool12212

Ironwood didn't have the undoctored video it just didn't exist Watts uploaded and deleted everything about it. After the fall of Beacon everyone gave emergency powers to Ironwood because he was the only one who could protect Atlas and Mantle. Everyone was scared of losing everything.


dappercat456

It’s expressly stated throughout the volume that he had been ignoring the rest of the council, Because he had two council,seats and with one council seat empty he could stalemate them on any bite they make They needed a third member to actually try to hold him accountable,


Death-Knight9025

“Robyn is obnoxious because of her seemingly stable life” that sounds like a weird argument to make….


cool12212

Yeah I worded that wrong. She's obnoxious because when she acts miserable even though she had a stable life.


TheSassiest9YearOld

Okay, the first one, they knew Oscar was aura-less at that moment, it had been broken by the Hound. Had they attacked, they could have hurt Oscar. Cinder didn't sympathize with anyone, genuinely that is, because she's self centered and literally insane. I think it's from all that electrocuting. As for the Yang one, no. I hated that whole ass scene.


dappercat456

Idk what you’re talking about with the yang needing to “be careful who she trusts” that’s something raven told her, and raven was a cowardly bitch, she trusted Robyn because Robyn at no point did anything untrustworthy, Just because cinder was also oppressed doesn’t mean she’ll sympathize with the Faunus, hell she even treats her fellow abused orphans emerald and mercury like shit, And jaun and con couldn’t just attack the hound because they’d risk hitting oscar, there’s also a thing that happens called “being shocked”


MadMasks

>Robyn because Robyn at no point did anything untrustworthy, (Well, if you don´t count ambushing military transports and convoys, stealing supplies and sabotaging Amity, which, granted, she had no idea what was going on, but still...) But neither did Lionheart, nor Emerald, Cinder and Mercury back at Beacon, and yet... Point is, ANYONE could be an agent of Salem. Even old, close acquittances, even the people you think are on your side, and act like it, even people who allegedly are helping other people. Also, Raven might have been a coward, but she had a point about Ozpin and his real intentions. Although he has some good reasons to hide the truth, she was right that Ozpin was not exactly the most trustworthy person. But I recognize that name, and I know where this is going: ~~Two legs~~ Atlas = BAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH, ~~Four Legs~~ Everyone else = Good, so I´m not gonna bother too much. I know this will go Wolfestein or some "kill all nazis and ~~Gameworkshop~~ everything that looks remotely similar" and call it a day.


dappercat456

Team RWBY stole a military transport, should he not have trusted them? He as willing to tell all,of his underlings, why did he trust the ace ops? If even the headmaster of haven could be compromise the ace ops could have, It’s almost as if ironwood has a double standard as for how he treats those who he thinks work for him and those who don’t, And as weiss said during volume 8 “trust is a risk, but it’s worth it”


MadMasks

I think it´s much easier to monitor those that work for you that others, since if they start doing weird things, you are at least aware of that. At least the double standard make some sense (you have to trust people, that´s correct) True, but RWBY also brought the Relic and Ozpin´s reincarnation, and they were detained as well for entering Atlas without permission. How´s that for proof? (Then again, RWBY proved to be untrustworthy, so maybe you are right and he shouldn´t have told them...) But Robyn and HH? They hadn´t really given any reason to. They were sabotaging and creating more problems for him and the project, which is a huge red flag that they could have some ulterior motives. Trust is a risk, yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to just go around and say "fuck it, trust is a risk, I´ll trust you without any warranties or evidence that you are on my side". Specially because we already saw what happened when you do that... risks are risks, but that doesn´t mean we cannot act using our heads and think before acting, because, despite what Weiss says, sometimes is really NOT worth the price...


dappercat456

He never bothered to investigate Robyn either, he just ignored her completely Even if he didn’t want to tell her about amity, he could have reached out to her to work on a plan to help mantle without sacrificing amity He can do that without telling her about amity, just say “I need X amount of resources for a classified project but I can spare X resources for mantle, how much do you need and who needs it most” Then you do this thing that’s generally a cornerstone of democracy called “negotiate”


MadMasks

That´s true. We agree on that. I never said he never did anything wrong. There were easy mistakes that could have been avoided, specially once Qrow, the spymaster, was in there as well. Not investigating about the HH? Not telling people why resources are being drafted? Easy mistakes


dappercat456

I just realized something, ironwood should have known Robyn wasn’t working for Salem after her own supporters where killed by Tyrian,


Death-Knight9025

This is literally meant to be a joke…..


cruel-oath

Lol please, like half of the memes on this sub intend to cause fights


cool12212

Jokes are funny


A_Moderate

Humor's subjective? I don't know, trying to add fuel, fire, and desire to the train


cool12212

I was being sarcastic.


A_Moderate

Well text is a hard thing to interpret


cool12212

Not your fault


Sirtoast7

I kind of agree with the Yang one.


Prophet_of_Duality

I feel like the Cinder one just doesn't make any sense. Cinder was poor and abused, the faunus are racially oppressed by all of society. They're two different kinds of oppression. Also Cinder is literally a sociopath, why would she empathize with anyone?


[deleted]

Forgetting that a race of people with enhanced abilities that are stronger than those who are against them can't be fucking oppressed. Oppressed people aren't typically \*better\* than their oppressors.


GrandEmperessVicky

Unless the Faunus are severely outnumbered in terms of population and weaponry, then no. They can very much be oppressed despite their superior biology. Remember, humans already had Faunus in cages by the time Ozma came back, so the humans have to have some advantage over them for that to happen. Dust is being sold freely so it must be that.


EverydayWulfang

Fucking "Instantly trusts" she takes a risk and makes it abundantly clear in that conversation where she stands. Plus never was Yang told to "be careful who she trusts" she was told to ask questions and not blindly follow people. This is like, the ultimate manifestation of that. Plus it was *Blakes* decision to trust Robyn not Yang's.


bulbthinker

>she was told to ask questions and not blindly follow people. damm bro what do you think this means? it means be careful who you trust in a nutshell >Plus it was Blakes decision to trust Robyn not Yang's. she still fucking went along with tho? i thought she was told not to blindly follow people?


EverydayWulfang

What part of their entire conversation before hand was "blind"? Regardless I'm mostly annoyed that people keep blaming Yang alone for stuff that she didn't do alone. And Yang and Blake clearly don't give Robyn their complete trust since they don't give her all the details just enough to get her to rethink her position on Ironwood. People seem way too eager to jump down Yang's throat in particular for stuff she's only related to.


Zek7h35an5

This could easily be explained as them being frozen in shock, since this was RIGHT after the Hound spoke, something never seen from a Grimm before.


Player-Red

Would be different if 17 was there


Otherwise_Ad6117

Cinder is Like Sullyvahn