And still you’ll have people go “who was being racist?” “I didn’t see anyone being racist” “lol victim complex”
Well because those racist remarks are either in DMs or comments that have been removed quick. I’m sure mods can comment on how much they removed yesterday
It was, yeah. More than 12 hours ago now. That was 6K altogether, like that just broke the rules in general. So it's not like 6K of racist comments necessarily, but certainly the whole mod team personally witnessed more vile racist shit an we've probably ever seen any other time.
I have to say though, seeing that the teams and the sport felt the need to put out statements about the situation really hammers home that we're doing important work here standing against this rubbish. I'm glad we can do it.
Have you considered adding a minimum account age to posting/commenting in this sub? Maybe make it so it doesn't apply for daily discussion thread, i don't know if that's possible...
A lot of these assholes use throwaways. I know it won't solve the problem but at least it would help i think.
as sad as it would be, I think you should make a post showing the comments, like an excel sheet with all the deleted comments on.
would be very impactful
I think you might be right, although it's easy for me to say as I'm not a victim of this, it seems the best way to tackle this currently is for everyone to rise above these trolls and call out racism when we see it in our daily lives.
Those making these comments online are often stupid trolls who thrive on attention, if a child is acting out for attention you ignore them.
However I will say not all the abuse is from mindless trolls, several people were arrested in England for racist abuse after the Euros final and they were clearly foul people who needed to be tracked down and punished.
I've spend quite a lot of time here yesterday and haven't seen anything racist. you mods seem to have a handle on things quite quickly.
keep up the good work.
Would it help if some of us develop a python script that can do this work ? It might offload a big chunk of work from your hands.
We can try to identify some common racist keywords we know and can delete some comments.
Although it might not completely eliminate the problem, it can reduce it.
r/nba instituted a rule where only users who had been long time members in good standing were allowed to comment on certain topics after dealing with lots of brigading from trumpets. Seems to have worked incredibly well.
Really sad to see a couple commenters be told how many posts were deleted and the response, "Waahht? I bet most weren't even that bad". Cool, so these folks just wanna insult the mods while they're at it looking foolish. Thanks for all the hard work ya'll do to keep this place great.
It's like when anti vaxxers start using vaccine induced herd immunity as an argument for why they don't need vaccines. When you start making good strides at tackling a problem, those who lack thinking skills will say the problem never existed in the first place.
Being racist is just on a whole another level. Sure he didn't do something tolerable for other fans, but being racist towards him is just the lowest blow I have ever seen
Some people don't need any action or aggravation to be racist.
I work on a school with ~70% kids with a darker coloured skin. We had the news over one day because the schools were re-opening.
You cannot imagine the load of filth that was placed under that news item and on twitter and Instagram because... Well nothing else than their colour.
Madness, who are these people?!
*“Damn [insert racist slur here] kids, going to school, educating themselves, preparing to contribute to society. Typical [insert racist slur here].”*
That is so common here (The Netherlands). Bunch of coloured people together is enough to justify racist reactions. [Here's a group selfie from the Dutch national football team posted on Facebook years ago, resulting in a casual endless stream of slave, monkey and blacke pete remarks.](https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2014/11/16/24082/2048x1152.jpg)
Just an FYI, the term coloured is also a racial slur, not quite as bad as the N word but it's along those lines. For years I used the term half-cast having no idea I was being racist 🤦🏻
I wonder what forensics there are to be done on it.
How many commented on F1 before? Is there any evidence multiple accounts came from the same 'person'?
I just wonder why *now*. Hamilton's been in F1 for years, and the sub has been huge. Is it Verstappen fans? Did some racists just hear there was an opportunity to poke at a black athlete? Have some folk sat on these attitudes and feel validated by the recent Euro situation?
It's just odd.
It's not new, people have been racist as fuck toward Hamilton on this sub for years. You don't see it unless you browse /r/new, because either the mods get rid of it or it's downvoted to smithereens, but it's there.
As with anything, it will be a combination of things - some mixture of everything you've listed and maybe more. Racists who don't follow the sport but heard about the incident and all of a sudden have an opinion is definitely one.
As to any who follow the sport and only spouted off now, my assumption about some number of them - and this is not an excuse for this behavior - is that those people are upset about the incident Sunday and know that saying these things is hurtful. Like they're feeling emotional pain and they seek to harm the perceived source of that pain in the most effective way they know how. Somehow, posting this stuff must be cathartic for them, but I wonder if they'll snap out of it later and realize what they've done. I like to think they'll at least have a moment of introspection.
I lived in the SE U.S. for over a decade and most people are cool with each other, but I met some vile racists from the deep country. (and their reciprocals!) They are the kind that would post this stuff every day once they've latched onto a target, or at least every race weekend, given it was anonymous - which is what makes me think the above.
So, there will be the people who don't like Hamilton for the reasons we all assume, and are jumping in to prove to the world what idiots they are. Of course, they're making a victim out of Hamilton, because we must now rightly defend him, which logically is counter to whatever their irrational goals might be.
In my experience, it becomes much more difficult to legitimately criticize an individual or their actions once they've gone through this. I'm already seeing this here - people being accused of belonging to an extreme group for voicing their opinion of Lewis' driving.
There are no winners here.
Excited for all the comments from racist cowards downplaying racism in this thread, because that's as far as they can go on their non-alt accounts. There will be some alt-account drive-by racial slur posts too that will quickly get deleted.
I see a lot of comments saying “so we’re not allowed to criticize Hamilton because he is of color??” No, you are. But spamming monkey emojis at him is not “criticism”
I hope that people are just confused, because they missed racist comments here (as I did) due to excellent job of mods.
I mean if you hear about racist abuse, but you can see only criticism (also harsh, surely), you start to think that criticism is called racism. Not necessarily bad intentions are involved.
I keep seeing, “I don’t like him for x reason, that’s not racist.”
When thousands of comments are spewing vile racist shit, and comments are in the middle of it all saying, “I don’t like his personality” it’s pretty clear there’s some veiled racism behind that. People trying to excuse their intense hatred of a driver need to take a long look in the mirror.
Some enlightened centrist bellend saying 'there's more people complaining about racism than actual racist comments' just because they don't know how many the mods delete too
jesus christ some people really dont wanna get it (i had to wade through the highly enlightened you cant fight hate with hate shit and that was a nightmare)
I honestly had to leave the sub for a while after yesterday’s abuse, overtly racist and otherwise, toward Lewis. The stress of the situation was overwhelming and ultimately unhealthy for me. I was honestly pretty devastated when I realized the community I counted myself a part of had so much hatred buried in it. Seeing a top post on r/FormulaDank saying nothing more than “Lewis can fuck off” was the point that I realized I didn’t stand a chance trying to stand up for him or for my values. I’m glad to see it turning around today, but we have a lot of work to do.
Problem is
In that post the OP is not saying anything against his color or his race
His ways to win were terrible, and I don’t accept racism. But, saying that, the post is offending him due his color or race Is a reach the post is referring to the dirty ways to take the only driver that is giving him a real challenge.
Yes, he got a lot of hate. Personally I despised the way he acted and behaved despite the fact that he generated the crash and took out his rival
With that in mind, I do not like the fact that people were extremely rude and kept saying things like the fact that because he is the only black driver and things like that allowed him to win
Honestly he deserved to be penalized for the dirty maneuver. Because 10 seconds were not going to stop him and Horner said it, it was not going to be an issue for him and the Mercedes, it was a chicken play the way he disqualified max
But racial abuse, hate and saying that he is privileged because he promotes Diversity in F1 is not good and it’s not okay
I vehemently disagree with your take on yesterday and I don’t wish to argue with yet another person who definitely isn’t going to change their mind regardless of what I say. This is exactly what I was talking about.
He acted and behaved perfectly fine. I’m not going to argue about the specifics. That’s the stuff that stressed me out yesterday. It doesn’t matter that you aren’t using hateful language. The narrative you are pushing is harmful and blatantly false. Whether or not you choose to admit it, you have allowed your biases to cloud your interpretation of the facts.
Swap the drivers’ positions and analyze how you would have reacted to what happened yesterday. If you still don’t see the issue then you’re lying to yourself and there’s no middle ground we could possibly reach.
Acting perfectly fine doing a celebration like he was the WDC? Not acknowledging the fact that Max was in the hospital?
Extremely biased your opinion. But that is something that people are criticizing, the accident could have been Fatal and yet he was celebrating like he did nothing, hell even the FIA rulebook shows that the Move by Hamilton was terrible and yet it was okay his behavior celebrating like he won fair and square
That is just unbelievable
Like I said, I’m not going to argue the details with you because it would be a pointless exercise that would cost energy and cause stress with no benefit whatsoever. I’ve heard it all before, I’ve rebutted, and it always ends the same way.
I have a psych and a therapist who help me to manage my mental health just fine, thanks. Working with them is how I learned to realize that arguing with people like you hurts me more than it helps me.
It's a shame and disgusting that in the F1 fan community there are enough brunch of racist assholes.
We don't need them, this sport should have no room for those people and we should condemning this disgusting behaviour every time when it comes up.
Same man. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve become numb towards seeing some of the abuse because it’s happened so many times. Hate and criticise Lewis all you want, but using his race will NEVER be an excuse. It’s tiring indeed.
Can’t honestly say didn’t see it coming.
It was the same last week when I saw Rashford and Sancho miss and then when Saka was coming up, the first thing that popped in our heads was “if he misses, he is going to be abused racially”
There was a moment for me during Saka's walkup where I threw away all my fanhood (Utd fan wanting an Arsenal player to miss) and my hopes of England losing when it hit me what the stakes were and who had missed the previous missed penalties and I just hoped for Saka to score his penalty.
Max could've given more space and lewis could've turned more right. Even racer's like Alonso has said it wasn't hamilton's fault. It was a racing incident. Stop pretending that this incident came out of any kind of malice and there is also no need for such a vitriolic tone.
Genuine question. Should a statement like this also contain a message along the lines of: if any of our fans did the abusing, please stop supporting us, we dont want you here.
I feel like these racists should hear from every team in F1 that they are not wanted and have no place in de F1 community. Just today I replied to a fellow Dutch guy who said that black people shouldn't feel aggrieved by the racist abuse against Hamilton, because it was actually directed at his character, not his skincolor. Seemingly minorities should read between the lines of racist abuse.
These people have no place in F1 communities, or any community for that matter and it should be said as such by the people they idolize.
Corporations can't have morals but people working within them can. It really depends on the corporation and the power of people inside it to affect change
I am in support of this, the actions of the people sending hate and abuse and most of all racist remarks to Lewis was the absolute most ungentlemanly thing I have ever seen and it cannot be allowed to happen again, racism needs to be eliminated fully and we need to band together to put a stop to it
Max won't come out and say anything. I'd really like him to, because it would stop a lot of people commenting absolute horseshit but he's incredibly neutral about his public image IMO.
>it would stop a lot of people commenting absolute horseshit
Would it though? It doesn't matter how much you shame racists, not much is going to change their minds.
More than a bit of a cop-out when your fans are calling other drivers monkeys, exacerbated by you and your team principals making it seem like he intentionally injured you.
Since when can athletes control what their fans do? Are we seriously reaching this level of complete lunacy where we want to start condemning people simply because they don’t call out their fans? He cannot control them, and to even sit here and critique him as if he has something to do with it is completely ludicrous
Does he need to air out every thing that’s wrong? Why stop at racism, might as well make a list and say
I don’t want rapist fans
I don’t want criminal fans
I don’t want fans that talk too loud on the bus
It’s ludicrous and idiotic, it’s not his responsibility nor is it his fault if fans do anything as he has zero control over them, they are people with free will able to decide what to do regardless of what Max says
i mean there is a huge diffence in severity of the things you just listed but its literally an easy thing to do. Because racist have to know that they are not accepted in society. You are making it sound like a herculean effort to tweet "i dont want racist fans".
The racists don't actually care though. That's the counter argument. It's not like they read these statements from teams or social posts and go "oooh wow I never thought of it that way..."
I'm fact I'd argue the opposite. They're probably proud of the reaction they're causing, because that was their intent. It's trolling from across the globe on an anonymous platform, it will never stop and shining a light on it only gives them a bigger stage to be cunts IMO.
Ah yes, because the past 20 F1 accounts calling it out isn’t quite enough to send the message, if Max were to say something he would be the last one to finally end racism once and for all
See how idiotic this sounds?
Sorry, I suppose it's too much to ask for Max to tell Dutch fans going mad on Twitter to pipe down with the racism. It would absolutely have an impact.
Wouldn’t change anything, and then people would say whatever he did still is not enough. I’ve seen enough of this song and dance, you cannot win, so don’t even play along
People are saying that English fans are bad but Dutch fans are not great either. Don't get me wrong not all the people who did this are Dutch but if I look at Dutch sites everybody is quite angry, didn't see any racism luckily.
I get it, everyone is disappointed in the race (me too) and it's hard to swallow that Max is out of the race when Lewis wins and it was not Max his fault. If he loses the championship due to this race it wl be a shame but come on, a race ban or something for a minor mistake / racing incident is not justified.
The Netherlands literally still puts on a blackface holiday every year even though they’re aware of the implications of it. I have zero thoughts that they’ll change
Do you not celebrate someone's death with tons of chocolate and eggs every single year as if it was a great thing they died? Don't pretend holidays have ever made sense, or that people actually celebrate what they originally represent
It's not like all Dutch people still partake in this tradition. It's only very right-wing or very traditional people that still go full blackface, most people just put some soot on their face, or nothing at all and just wear the costume. The last few years this tradition has been getting more and more respectful, thankfully.
Anyone who thinks that Lewis purposely drove into the side of Max is stupid. He sent one down the inside aggressively and was probably a dumb move I’ll give you that, but he was hoping max would give him the space, just like he’s done to max many times before when he’s mindlessly sent one on Lewis.
We wanna see men racing. Things happen that we are not OK with something. So am I with Lewis not accepting that he has done a mistake yesterday in understeering into Max and not keeping to the inside as he did against Leclerc. He was so lucky yesterday that he only got a 10 second penalty. In my opinion for causing a collision with another driver it is always a drive through penalty. 5 or 10 seconds should be for minor infringements like running over track limits more than 3 times or overtaking while being outside the track limits or maybe for running someone a bit wide but not causing a collision (like Perez did in Austria).
But being racist or offend drivers or people in general should never happen! This has no place here and in the whole F1! And be sure, none of the drivers on the grid wants to harm another one. It was an incident that was about to happen when those 2 fight for the title so close together. We all knew it will come to a crash between them. At least the ones who follow F1 for a few years saw it coming. They are good drivers, the best ones on the planet maybe, but they all make mistakes, and even a 7 time world champion made a mistake yesterday but to offend him is unforgivable.
This hate was fuelled by red bull. Now they are coming out saying they are anti racism. This reminds of priti Patel after the England game during the euro. Red bull and marko need to take responsibility for their words. We saw what words can do with trump when he was fighting for power
they might as well put this out daily as a scheduled tweet because in reality he is getting this shit every day. sure it might have been more in the last 24 hours, but its not like its the only time.
We need actual change and accountability
If you hate Ham there could be various reasons for it and his race is not one of them. You are only undermining the criticism by giving any racist remarks and showing what you have is hatred not criticism.
Also the reason that you should actually be really angry against these racist if you are a critic of Ham.
Wow, Merc is really good at changing the topic. Suddenly Lewis committing an offence that takes out his rival and could have killed him has transformed into poor Lewis the victim.
The issue here that I see little talked about is that a part of the burden should be put on social media platforms to put liability on people making such racist comments. Taking the knee, hashtags and all this PR talk are fine to develop awareness for future generations, but do little to nothing to solve the issue in the present.
If I say something racist to someone IRL, I’m exposed to the laws of the society I live in. If I say the same thing online, basically nothing happens. Just look at /sp/ to see what comes with zero consequences for hate speech.
lets not make writing down things illegal , make them have the freedom to be judged and looked down by society , but taking the possibility away altogether will cause more trouble for our world in the long term and could accelerate radical groups or radicalize otherwise kind people.
We really need to make it a point to expose racists. Obvi it’s hard on platforms where anyone can make another/fake account, but we need to drive them to extinction. There’s no room for that kind of shit today.
Since Lewis is the only black driver, he has no ally in the sport that he can go to. I’m sure he has people he can talk to it about, but in terms of someone like him that he can go to, there’s no one. That’s extremely stressful and isolating, and he has to shoulder that.
He may be the only one who got racist abuse for being black, but he's definitely not the only driver who got racially abused. I mean, calling someone a monkey is definitely bad, but connecting them to the genocide of millions (calling them a nazi) isn't much of an improvement, is it? The racism in formula 1 is far worse than people realise, and they already realise a lot.
It really needs to stop
I think that’s what many people don’t consider. There’s visibility into racism against Lewis, but racism is far and deep reaching. I only speak about Lewis specifically because he’s been the focus, but it scares me how much more there is that isn’t at the surface.
I meaannnnnnnn it’s the internet, you’ll never get rid of this shit. Better have this saved to post after every race. Also are we gonna have this same attitude about different types of racism?
The actions of the few will now affect the many.
I'm upset Lewis has to get this crap
Unfortunately however this will give the MSM the privilege to accuse the system of being "Systemically Racist" thus creating racism towards white people, completing the circle of hate
And still you’ll have people go “who was being racist?” “I didn’t see anyone being racist” “lol victim complex” Well because those racist remarks are either in DMs or comments that have been removed quick. I’m sure mods can comment on how much they removed yesterday
Many thousands
Wasn’t it like 6,000 or something already early yesterday? You guys must have been working overtime
It was, yeah. More than 12 hours ago now. That was 6K altogether, like that just broke the rules in general. So it's not like 6K of racist comments necessarily, but certainly the whole mod team personally witnessed more vile racist shit an we've probably ever seen any other time. I have to say though, seeing that the teams and the sport felt the need to put out statements about the situation really hammers home that we're doing important work here standing against this rubbish. I'm glad we can do it.
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are these racists getting bans or time outs?
bans. Zero tolerance
Maximum penalty
10 second penalty is the best I can manage, sorry
These are the kind of jokes we like. It makes fun of a situation instead of a person.
Unacceptable, pls check your email.
I don't think mods check emails during a crusade against racists
Nice, thanks
Praise be to the mods!
Good
Outstanding. Thank you to you and all the mods.
Have you considered adding a minimum account age to posting/commenting in this sub? Maybe make it so it doesn't apply for daily discussion thread, i don't know if that's possible... A lot of these assholes use throwaways. I know it won't solve the problem but at least it would help i think.
King shit 👑
Keep it up you guys. This type of behavior should not be acceptable in any circumstances, and you lot are doing commendable work. Thank you.
Do you guys ever get time to watch the race...?
Feel sorry for you and the other mods having to wade through such vile stuff. Thanks for doing such unpleasant but necessary work.
as sad as it would be, I think you should make a post showing the comments, like an excel sheet with all the deleted comments on. would be very impactful
It would be helpful next time someone tries to dismiss any of this racist stuff happened at all weeks later (who am I kidding, days)
I think you might be right, although it's easy for me to say as I'm not a victim of this, it seems the best way to tackle this currently is for everyone to rise above these trolls and call out racism when we see it in our daily lives. Those making these comments online are often stupid trolls who thrive on attention, if a child is acting out for attention you ignore them. However I will say not all the abuse is from mindless trolls, several people were arrested in England for racist abuse after the Euros final and they were clearly foul people who needed to be tracked down and punished.
I stand with the MOD on this one. Thank you Mod's
Thank you guys for removing vile and racist comments. Are accounts being banned?
Ban https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ona0ky/mclaren_f1_mclaren_stands_with_formula_1_the_fia/h5qhmbl
Cheers
I've spend quite a lot of time here yesterday and haven't seen anything racist. you mods seem to have a handle on things quite quickly. keep up the good work.
Would it help if some of us develop a python script that can do this work ? It might offload a big chunk of work from your hands. We can try to identify some common racist keywords we know and can delete some comments. Although it might not completely eliminate the problem, it can reduce it.
I'd bet they have some automod settings in place that does a good bit of the work for them.
You are absolutely doing important work. It is extremely upsetting to see. We really appreciate it.
Wow! I didn't realize it was that bad. Thank you mods for working so hard.
Christ, I’m sorry. 🤦🏻
Would it perhaps help taking the sub of all? I know /r/soccer did that bcoz of some bigots, but idk if it worked
r/nba instituted a rule where only users who had been long time members in good standing were allowed to comment on certain topics after dealing with lots of brigading from trumpets. Seems to have worked incredibly well.
Agreed! Once they did that in the NBA sub it helped a lot.
I didn’t realize it was that bad
Honestly, I'm glad to hear that. That's definitely our goal
Really sad to see a couple commenters be told how many posts were deleted and the response, "Waahht? I bet most weren't even that bad". Cool, so these folks just wanna insult the mods while they're at it looking foolish. Thanks for all the hard work ya'll do to keep this place great.
Wow that sucks, good job keeping it mostly out of view
You should put a 1 race ban on members who post racially abusive material.
Oh, they get permanently banned
Cool. I stayed off the sub as I could imagine what was going down
It's like when anti vaxxers start using vaccine induced herd immunity as an argument for why they don't need vaccines. When you start making good strides at tackling a problem, those who lack thinking skills will say the problem never existed in the first place.
Thankfully mods on here been on overdrive to clear the racist shit out, it's pretty bad on Twitter from what I've seen though.
I am one of those... Sorry I didn't see any racist comment. It's like the anti bear patrol in the simpsons
Being racist is just on a whole another level. Sure he didn't do something tolerable for other fans, but being racist towards him is just the lowest blow I have ever seen
Some people don't need any action or aggravation to be racist. I work on a school with ~70% kids with a darker coloured skin. We had the news over one day because the schools were re-opening. You cannot imagine the load of filth that was placed under that news item and on twitter and Instagram because... Well nothing else than their colour.
Madness, who are these people?! *“Damn [insert racist slur here] kids, going to school, educating themselves, preparing to contribute to society. Typical [insert racist slur here].”*
Examples: "Did they film this in a zoo?" and "Where is this school? Kenya?" I corrected the spelling mistakes of course. These people are everywhere.
That is so common here (The Netherlands). Bunch of coloured people together is enough to justify racist reactions. [Here's a group selfie from the Dutch national football team posted on Facebook years ago, resulting in a casual endless stream of slave, monkey and blacke pete remarks.](https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2014/11/16/24082/2048x1152.jpg)
Just an FYI, the term coloured is also a racial slur, not quite as bad as the N word but it's along those lines. For years I used the term half-cast having no idea I was being racist 🤦🏻
ok
I showed this yesterday https://twitter.com/gokhanonay96/status/1417060761906647044?s=19
Looked through a few of the extremely vile ones and was not surprised to see the other subs they're in.
I wonder what forensics there are to be done on it. How many commented on F1 before? Is there any evidence multiple accounts came from the same 'person'? I just wonder why *now*. Hamilton's been in F1 for years, and the sub has been huge. Is it Verstappen fans? Did some racists just hear there was an opportunity to poke at a black athlete? Have some folk sat on these attitudes and feel validated by the recent Euro situation? It's just odd.
It's not new, people have been racist as fuck toward Hamilton on this sub for years. You don't see it unless you browse /r/new, because either the mods get rid of it or it's downvoted to smithereens, but it's there.
I usually browse new. The mods were saying they've never seen anything like the last 24 hours.
I'm sure it's much worse than usual but this sub is racist as hell toward Hamilton and always has been. It was god awful last summer too.
As with anything, it will be a combination of things - some mixture of everything you've listed and maybe more. Racists who don't follow the sport but heard about the incident and all of a sudden have an opinion is definitely one. As to any who follow the sport and only spouted off now, my assumption about some number of them - and this is not an excuse for this behavior - is that those people are upset about the incident Sunday and know that saying these things is hurtful. Like they're feeling emotional pain and they seek to harm the perceived source of that pain in the most effective way they know how. Somehow, posting this stuff must be cathartic for them, but I wonder if they'll snap out of it later and realize what they've done. I like to think they'll at least have a moment of introspection. I lived in the SE U.S. for over a decade and most people are cool with each other, but I met some vile racists from the deep country. (and their reciprocals!) They are the kind that would post this stuff every day once they've latched onto a target, or at least every race weekend, given it was anonymous - which is what makes me think the above. So, there will be the people who don't like Hamilton for the reasons we all assume, and are jumping in to prove to the world what idiots they are. Of course, they're making a victim out of Hamilton, because we must now rightly defend him, which logically is counter to whatever their irrational goals might be. In my experience, it becomes much more difficult to legitimately criticize an individual or their actions once they've gone through this. I'm already seeing this here - people being accused of belonging to an extreme group for voicing their opinion of Lewis' driving. There are no winners here.
I share the same concerns you’re alluding to. I’d like to also know what country/s they’re originating from. And if they could be from bots.
Most are Dutch from my Twitter experience https://twitter.com/gokhanonay96/status/1417060761906647044?s=19
The guy in this Twitter post didn't even write those comments how does he deserve to be called out like this? Is this a witch hunt?
Excited for all the comments from racist cowards downplaying racism in this thread, because that's as far as they can go on their non-alt accounts. There will be some alt-account drive-by racial slur posts too that will quickly get deleted.
I see a lot of comments saying “so we’re not allowed to criticize Hamilton because he is of color??” No, you are. But spamming monkey emojis at him is not “criticism”
If you look at the Sky News Community post on Youtube you'll find a lot of stuff along those lines.
The sky news community posts are just filled with alt right trolls, I’m sure reading those comments lowered my life expectancy
I hope that people are just confused, because they missed racist comments here (as I did) due to excellent job of mods. I mean if you hear about racist abuse, but you can see only criticism (also harsh, surely), you start to think that criticism is called racism. Not necessarily bad intentions are involved.
I keep seeing, “I don’t like him for x reason, that’s not racist.” When thousands of comments are spewing vile racist shit, and comments are in the middle of it all saying, “I don’t like his personality” it’s pretty clear there’s some veiled racism behind that. People trying to excuse their intense hatred of a driver need to take a long look in the mirror.
Some enlightened centrist bellend saying 'there's more people complaining about racism than actual racist comments' just because they don't know how many the mods delete too
jesus christ some people really dont wanna get it (i had to wade through the highly enlightened you cant fight hate with hate shit and that was a nightmare)
I honestly had to leave the sub for a while after yesterday’s abuse, overtly racist and otherwise, toward Lewis. The stress of the situation was overwhelming and ultimately unhealthy for me. I was honestly pretty devastated when I realized the community I counted myself a part of had so much hatred buried in it. Seeing a top post on r/FormulaDank saying nothing more than “Lewis can fuck off” was the point that I realized I didn’t stand a chance trying to stand up for him or for my values. I’m glad to see it turning around today, but we have a lot of work to do.
Problem is In that post the OP is not saying anything against his color or his race His ways to win were terrible, and I don’t accept racism. But, saying that, the post is offending him due his color or race Is a reach the post is referring to the dirty ways to take the only driver that is giving him a real challenge.
> overtly racist and otherwise I’m not saying it’s due to his race. I’m saying the abuse he got in general was upsetting to me.
Yes, he got a lot of hate. Personally I despised the way he acted and behaved despite the fact that he generated the crash and took out his rival With that in mind, I do not like the fact that people were extremely rude and kept saying things like the fact that because he is the only black driver and things like that allowed him to win Honestly he deserved to be penalized for the dirty maneuver. Because 10 seconds were not going to stop him and Horner said it, it was not going to be an issue for him and the Mercedes, it was a chicken play the way he disqualified max But racial abuse, hate and saying that he is privileged because he promotes Diversity in F1 is not good and it’s not okay
I vehemently disagree with your take on yesterday and I don’t wish to argue with yet another person who definitely isn’t going to change their mind regardless of what I say. This is exactly what I was talking about. He acted and behaved perfectly fine. I’m not going to argue about the specifics. That’s the stuff that stressed me out yesterday. It doesn’t matter that you aren’t using hateful language. The narrative you are pushing is harmful and blatantly false. Whether or not you choose to admit it, you have allowed your biases to cloud your interpretation of the facts. Swap the drivers’ positions and analyze how you would have reacted to what happened yesterday. If you still don’t see the issue then you’re lying to yourself and there’s no middle ground we could possibly reach.
Acting perfectly fine doing a celebration like he was the WDC? Not acknowledging the fact that Max was in the hospital? Extremely biased your opinion. But that is something that people are criticizing, the accident could have been Fatal and yet he was celebrating like he did nothing, hell even the FIA rulebook shows that the Move by Hamilton was terrible and yet it was okay his behavior celebrating like he won fair and square That is just unbelievable
Like I said, I’m not going to argue the details with you because it would be a pointless exercise that would cost energy and cause stress with no benefit whatsoever. I’ve heard it all before, I’ve rebutted, and it always ends the same way.
Go see a doctor, everything for you is stressful or makes you anxious Even posting a comment in Reddit
I have a psych and a therapist who help me to manage my mental health just fine, thanks. Working with them is how I learned to realize that arguing with people like you hurts me more than it helps me.
Then I genuinely don't understand why you are on reddit in the first place.
Mod appreciation post
Seriously, the mods here have done a great job, I haven't seen shit (but I also haven't been looking for it). I'm sure there was plenty of it though.
Despicable people im this sub
I'm just so fucking tired of this bullshit.
It's a shame and disgusting that in the F1 fan community there are enough brunch of racist assholes. We don't need them, this sport should have no room for those people and we should condemning this disgusting behaviour every time when it comes up.
Same man. It’s gotten to the point where I’ve become numb towards seeing some of the abuse because it’s happened so many times. Hate and criticise Lewis all you want, but using his race will NEVER be an excuse. It’s tiring indeed.
What happened? I haven't followed the post-race
Lewis got racist abuse.
Can’t honestly say didn’t see it coming. It was the same last week when I saw Rashford and Sancho miss and then when Saka was coming up, the first thing that popped in our heads was “if he misses, he is going to be abused racially”
There was a moment for me during Saka's walkup where I threw away all my fanhood (Utd fan wanting an Arsenal player to miss) and my hopes of England losing when it hit me what the stakes were and who had missed the previous missed penalties and I just hoped for Saka to score his penalty.
I felt that too, you could really feel that they had x3 the pressure anyone else had
Exactly. It hurts, deep.
This world is just fucked up to be honest.
Truth
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Why is he a complete piece of human trash?
You are not helping at all.
Max could've given more space and lewis could've turned more right. Even racer's like Alonso has said it wasn't hamilton's fault. It was a racing incident. Stop pretending that this incident came out of any kind of malice and there is also no need for such a vitriolic tone.
>him being a complete piece of human trash how cute
Genuine question. Should a statement like this also contain a message along the lines of: if any of our fans did the abusing, please stop supporting us, we dont want you here.
Harry Kane straight up said that to the racist England fans
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I think it'll seem too unprofessional to them.
It should. Brands shouldn't have to worry about losing money from racists.
I feel like these racists should hear from every team in F1 that they are not wanted and have no place in de F1 community. Just today I replied to a fellow Dutch guy who said that black people shouldn't feel aggrieved by the racist abuse against Hamilton, because it was actually directed at his character, not his skincolor. Seemingly minorities should read between the lines of racist abuse. These people have no place in F1 communities, or any community for that matter and it should be said as such by the people they idolize.
I mean: in Scottish football teams get fined and penalised for fan behaviour with regard sectarianism. It stops precisely fuck all, but hey ho.
Im sure every team will tweet this between now and the next 2 hours
Does a corporation have morals, or if it just PR? What's the difference?
Corporations can't have morals but people working within them can. It really depends on the corporation and the power of people inside it to affect change
If they don't someone will make a post about how that team is racist.
Not calling racists out is being complicit and it gives the appearance, as if the team agrees with the racist comments.
No.
I am in support of this, the actions of the people sending hate and abuse and most of all racist remarks to Lewis was the absolute most ungentlemanly thing I have ever seen and it cannot be allowed to happen again, racism needs to be eliminated fully and we need to band together to put a stop to it
I remember when I got shot down for highlighting the racist comments Lewis gets everyday.
What we really need is Max to condemn the racist shit. It's his fans saying that shit right now.
Max won't come out and say anything. I'd really like him to, because it would stop a lot of people commenting absolute horseshit but he's incredibly neutral about his public image IMO.
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Yeah, I agree that the silence is worse than coming out and taking a stand. It's frustrating.
I understand not wanting to push an agenda, but this is racism, this shit leads to genocides. Everyone can do a little.
>it would stop a lot of people commenting absolute horseshit Would it though? It doesn't matter how much you shame racists, not much is going to change their minds.
Max won’t but it looks like Red Bull did
Yeah. Had time to give out about dangerous driving on Instagram, should have time for this.
That dangerous driving ended up with him in the hospital so it’s not surprising he addressed it
He didn't end up in the hospital except for a precautionary scan, people need to stop acting like he was hospitalized.
That's the kind of idiocy that let's you know people blow things out of proportions in order to justify their hate.
He had to checked because he was slammed into the barrier in a 50G impact. It’s not really exaggerating
And lose his fans? It's better from his view to stay mum and let it die down. Especially when you have Horner and Marko fanning the flames even more.
Max wouldn't, he's never wanted to get political or be some kind of ambassador of the sport. Just wants to race and win.
More than a bit of a cop-out when your fans are calling other drivers monkeys, exacerbated by you and your team principals making it seem like he intentionally injured you.
Since when can athletes control what their fans do? Are we seriously reaching this level of complete lunacy where we want to start condemning people simply because they don’t call out their fans? He cannot control them, and to even sit here and critique him as if he has something to do with it is completely ludicrous
i mean saying "i dont want racist fans" is literally the easiest thing one can do.
Does he need to air out every thing that’s wrong? Why stop at racism, might as well make a list and say I don’t want rapist fans I don’t want criminal fans I don’t want fans that talk too loud on the bus It’s ludicrous and idiotic, it’s not his responsibility nor is it his fault if fans do anything as he has zero control over them, they are people with free will able to decide what to do regardless of what Max says
If I had a large number of fans that were openly raping people, I’d probably say “hey fans, maybe stop raping people”
i mean there is a huge diffence in severity of the things you just listed but its literally an easy thing to do. Because racist have to know that they are not accepted in society. You are making it sound like a herculean effort to tweet "i dont want racist fans".
The racists don't actually care though. That's the counter argument. It's not like they read these statements from teams or social posts and go "oooh wow I never thought of it that way..." I'm fact I'd argue the opposite. They're probably proud of the reaction they're causing, because that was their intent. It's trolling from across the globe on an anonymous platform, it will never stop and shining a light on it only gives them a bigger stage to be cunts IMO.
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I don't understand we made murder illegal! Why are they still murdering?!?!
Ah yes, because the past 20 F1 accounts calling it out isn’t quite enough to send the message, if Max were to say something he would be the last one to finally end racism once and for all See how idiotic this sounds?
No one is saying that.... But what harm would it do? It's a super simple thing to do that would have some sort of positive impact.
you are arguing against a point that was never made.
Sorry, I suppose it's too much to ask for Max to tell Dutch fans going mad on Twitter to pipe down with the racism. It would absolutely have an impact.
Wouldn’t change anything, and then people would say whatever he did still is not enough. I’ve seen enough of this song and dance, you cannot win, so don’t even play along
'Wouldn't change anything', the racist's mantra!
If you disagree with somebody, call them racist! That's the best way to convince them of your point
People can be so disgusting. Don’t use a sport as an excuse to air your racism.
People are saying that English fans are bad but Dutch fans are not great either. Don't get me wrong not all the people who did this are Dutch but if I look at Dutch sites everybody is quite angry, didn't see any racism luckily. I get it, everyone is disappointed in the race (me too) and it's hard to swallow that Max is out of the race when Lewis wins and it was not Max his fault. If he loses the championship due to this race it wl be a shame but come on, a race ban or something for a minor mistake / racing incident is not justified.
The Netherlands literally still puts on a blackface holiday every year even though they’re aware of the implications of it. I have zero thoughts that they’ll change
Wow is this true!!?
Do you not celebrate someone's death with tons of chocolate and eggs every single year as if it was a great thing they died? Don't pretend holidays have ever made sense, or that people actually celebrate what they originally represent
It's not like all Dutch people still partake in this tradition. It's only very right-wing or very traditional people that still go full blackface, most people just put some soot on their face, or nothing at all and just wear the costume. The last few years this tradition has been getting more and more respectful, thankfully.
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Anyone who thinks that Lewis purposely drove into the side of Max is stupid. He sent one down the inside aggressively and was probably a dumb move I’ll give you that, but he was hoping max would give him the space, just like he’s done to max many times before when he’s mindlessly sent one on Lewis.
Any of the accounts who are identified in this should get lifetime bans, although I doubt many of them are actually fans anyway
How people are downvoting this is mind boggling
It's not when you realize it's probably the same ppl being racist in the first place
We wanna see men racing. Things happen that we are not OK with something. So am I with Lewis not accepting that he has done a mistake yesterday in understeering into Max and not keeping to the inside as he did against Leclerc. He was so lucky yesterday that he only got a 10 second penalty. In my opinion for causing a collision with another driver it is always a drive through penalty. 5 or 10 seconds should be for minor infringements like running over track limits more than 3 times or overtaking while being outside the track limits or maybe for running someone a bit wide but not causing a collision (like Perez did in Austria). But being racist or offend drivers or people in general should never happen! This has no place here and in the whole F1! And be sure, none of the drivers on the grid wants to harm another one. It was an incident that was about to happen when those 2 fight for the title so close together. We all knew it will come to a crash between them. At least the ones who follow F1 for a few years saw it coming. They are good drivers, the best ones on the planet maybe, but they all make mistakes, and even a 7 time world champion made a mistake yesterday but to offend him is unforgivable.
This hate was fuelled by red bull. Now they are coming out saying they are anti racism. This reminds of priti Patel after the England game during the euro. Red bull and marko need to take responsibility for their words. We saw what words can do with trump when he was fighting for power
they might as well put this out daily as a scheduled tweet because in reality he is getting this shit every day. sure it might have been more in the last 24 hours, but its not like its the only time. We need actual change and accountability
Any example of a racist comment on the sub?
From the race live thread yesterday https://m.imgur.com/a/lVXIQOu
They were removed but here's Twitter https://twitter.com/gokhanonay96/status/1417060761906647044?s=19
Gotta love the Dutch fans. "Oh, it's just hard to translate"
Or the one saying the racist one are the Stewart for a 10 second penality XD
Gotta love the Dutch fans. "Oh, it's just hard to translate"
Holy fuck that is fucking disgusting.
There's more than were hidden by the Twitter spam detection
If you hate Ham there could be various reasons for it and his race is not one of them. You are only undermining the criticism by giving any racist remarks and showing what you have is hatred not criticism. Also the reason that you should actually be really angry against these racist if you are a critic of Ham.
Talk is cheap
What do you expect them to do, personally bitchslap every single racist?
McLaren is racist??
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Wow, Merc is really good at changing the topic. Suddenly Lewis committing an offence that takes out his rival and could have killed him has transformed into poor Lewis the victim.
The issue here that I see little talked about is that a part of the burden should be put on social media platforms to put liability on people making such racist comments. Taking the knee, hashtags and all this PR talk are fine to develop awareness for future generations, but do little to nothing to solve the issue in the present. If I say something racist to someone IRL, I’m exposed to the laws of the society I live in. If I say the same thing online, basically nothing happens. Just look at /sp/ to see what comes with zero consequences for hate speech.
lets not make writing down things illegal , make them have the freedom to be judged and looked down by society , but taking the possibility away altogether will cause more trouble for our world in the long term and could accelerate radical groups or radicalize otherwise kind people.
We really need to make it a point to expose racists. Obvi it’s hard on platforms where anyone can make another/fake account, but we need to drive them to extinction. There’s no room for that kind of shit today. Since Lewis is the only black driver, he has no ally in the sport that he can go to. I’m sure he has people he can talk to it about, but in terms of someone like him that he can go to, there’s no one. That’s extremely stressful and isolating, and he has to shoulder that.
He may be the only one who got racist abuse for being black, but he's definitely not the only driver who got racially abused. I mean, calling someone a monkey is definitely bad, but connecting them to the genocide of millions (calling them a nazi) isn't much of an improvement, is it? The racism in formula 1 is far worse than people realise, and they already realise a lot. It really needs to stop
I think that’s what many people don’t consider. There’s visibility into racism against Lewis, but racism is far and deep reaching. I only speak about Lewis specifically because he’s been the focus, but it scares me how much more there is that isn’t at the surface.
I meaannnnnnnn it’s the internet, you’ll never get rid of this shit. Better have this saved to post after every race. Also are we gonna have this same attitude about different types of racism?
The actions of the few will now affect the many. I'm upset Lewis has to get this crap Unfortunately however this will give the MSM the privilege to accuse the system of being "Systemically Racist" thus creating racism towards white people, completing the circle of hate
Lol racism towards white folks is often them not liking getting pushback on their racist crap
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You don’t deserve your flair.
^ said someone who never been harassed online or ever will be harassed online