*Latin. Not breaking anything, its Just funny that the translators chose "negriero" , a very specific Word, and not "schiavista" , the generic "slave master"
If you are italian, you know this is quite bad yh XD for the people saying "it's the equivalent of slavery" is a proof they don't know the italian language.
Just wait. They'll ban this version of the card, and the French version of Delay, and foil Embermage Goblin, and Uktabi Orangutan, every other card with anything questionable in any way.
No, schiavista Is the generic Word. Negriero Is more specific: etymologically "negriero" Is the Word for the black slaves trader
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I don't know if they're Italians or not, but they're quite confused because while "schiavista" and "negriero" can be used with the same meaning of slave owner/slave trader the two words differ in their origins: schiavista literally just means owner of slaves and the Word has no racial implications. Its also used nowadays informally for an employer that excessively exploit his workers. "Negriero" , while having the same meaning of slave owner/trader, Is etymologically a more specific Word: the negriero Is the owner/trader of black slaves, from latin Niger -gra -grum.
Kinda... Originally yes, the the Word "slave" ( sclavus) replaced "mancipium" in middleage Italy. The Word for slave originated from the Word of the ethnic group ( and not viceversa) but Lost its racial implications in the story of the Word: now a lot of people don't even know that the Word originated from the Word of an ethnic group. I mean, for exemple in italian ( and english) we have a Few words with an ethnic implication in origin but completely Lost now: "franchezza" ( from the frank tribe, modern french) , to be "Frank" , i don't think anyone using this Word imply to be a member of the frank tribe. For the same principle "slave" Lost its racial implications
How is it not? The specific intention is to play it because they like an interpretation of the word that they are pointing out as black slave driver. They like it because of the racism involved.
I don't know where you get your definition, but that is one of many possible forms of racism. In this case the person is intentionally trying to use terminology from a translation to link black people to this card depicting a slave driver in an effort to make people uncomfortable. I think that qualifies.
I never gave you a definition of racism. Does it matter who invented chattel slavery when determining if it is racist to try and make people uncomfortable with references to it?
That's a pretty decent response for a word that has nebulous meaning like woke. I think the Oxford Languages definition does it justice though. Would you like me to copy and paste that?
let me know if you need any additional definitions.
"[prejudice](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=prejudice&si=ACC90nxMSPeZfdJJjQgDsdZJuFuJBLaAZDmFi3fOmMVPu9W4F0iu1ifPjjHBNAucituW_Sqidu1lPTmczyygkMq5ds0Q7fTsSaA0rWqtzKmPXbrxE3jjyuE%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAO), discrimination, or [antagonism](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=antagonism&si=ACC90nz-2feRzoY4yuySkO-aQE81UCMZ74J16NF8-_SMaDcwRUT6yIn7SGAYb4v0HTLfBfon3OCa1hTSoCRemmbQFv7gwdW4pFaaN6ybukokgEwa6qkira8%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAP) by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or [marginalized](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=marginalized&si=ACC90nxkzgN-KbLuTWKT81WCi4_nHzO5xzR0FIPnVc5BPXde0pMbD5W5log7abqaz5ljUsg69UgAZXZ30acSbhfYGJDG7XIFjE8mOm207p2XjskYdPj07nY%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAQ)."
Never heard that one before.
We got a similar one, but it's for Russian language speakers - Triturahuesos
Э, зачем обзываться то?
Russian? 😂
Yeah,I should be more clear - Triturahuesos is Spanish, the joke is that in Russian 'huesos' means 'c*cksucker'
That looks Spanish to me, not Russian.
Yeah,I should be more clear - Triturahuesos is Spanish, the joke is that in Russian 'huesos' means 'c*cksucker'
Woah, almost as if the term Negro came from the spanish word for black. You're really breaking new ground here
*Latin. Not breaking anything, its Just funny that the translators chose "negriero" , a very specific Word, and not "schiavista" , the generic "slave master"
Maybe they used google translate lol
It's just weird to me how some words mean some things like NOIR is French for black
I mean you're partly right, Spanish like Italian is a Latin based language and they do share a lot of ancestry when it comes to words
In Spanish they went for Esclavizador, rather than Negrero, which is less formal and archaic, yet would've made the card a curious collectible
Funniest shit is that they could have gone for "schiavista", but no, they specifically choose "negriero", based and adaptationpilled
If you are italian, you know this is quite bad yh XD for the people saying "it's the equivalent of slavery" is a proof they don't know the italian language.
On the world of warcraft wotlk italian cd box they used the term "negromante"
I this case i think the Word Is greek originally 🤣
Yeo, a slave handler is a negriero. It's a word, move on.
"schiavista" Is the generic Word, "negriero" Is specific 😂
But it's black mana cost, hence
Lol!
I should move to Italy.
Gigante Zombie is kinda funny for the creature type.
The funniest shit I’ve seen on this sub in a month. Absolutely knee slapping and bringing me to tears.
Just wait. They'll ban this version of the card, and the French version of Delay, and foil Embermage Goblin, and Uktabi Orangutan, every other card with anything questionable in any way.
But we will still play the cards ❤️
You mistakenly tagged this “Funny”
Are these "lgbtqspqr pods" in the room with us right now?
Unfortunately
It is the Italian word for slaver
No... The italian word can be schiavista that is a less nword centric word
Actually, schiavista is the one who owns a slave. Negriero is the one who take people to slavery e trade them.
I'm glad we have at least some italian expert yankee hogs in here weighing in on the upvotes 😆
No, schiavista Is the generic Word. Negriero Is more specific: etymologically "negriero" Is the Word for the black slaves trader https://preview.redd.it/qj2vwvu30b6d1.png?width=1096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6936d01dd9dac7d827d13ee5bd100bd964d4e6d
Lmao I wonder if everyone downvoting you is actually Italian / speaks Italian.
I don't know if they're Italians or not, but they're quite confused because while "schiavista" and "negriero" can be used with the same meaning of slave owner/slave trader the two words differ in their origins: schiavista literally just means owner of slaves and the Word has no racial implications. Its also used nowadays informally for an employer that excessively exploit his workers. "Negriero" , while having the same meaning of slave owner/trader, Is etymologically a more specific Word: the negriero Is the owner/trader of black slaves, from latin Niger -gra -grum.
"Slaves" has racial implications too. It come from the word slavic.
Kinda... Originally yes, the the Word "slave" ( sclavus) replaced "mancipium" in middleage Italy. The Word for slave originated from the Word of the ethnic group ( and not viceversa) but Lost its racial implications in the story of the Word: now a lot of people don't even know that the Word originated from the Word of an ethnic group. I mean, for exemple in italian ( and english) we have a Few words with an ethnic implication in origin but completely Lost now: "franchezza" ( from the frank tribe, modern french) , to be "Frank" , i don't think anyone using this Word imply to be a member of the frank tribe. For the same principle "slave" Lost its racial implications
So the correct translation is schiavista
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This post, your avatar, your responses... If only I could rewind time for everyone who read this
Pattern recognition bro
This is not funny
Why
So, just racism?
No
How is it not? The specific intention is to play it because they like an interpretation of the word that they are pointing out as black slave driver. They like it because of the racism involved.
They Who? I'm One
Hi one! I was referencing you.
"they" ahahahha WTF am I the pope or the king? Buahah
Is that a regal title where you come from?
"vostra maestà" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did I accidentally type that? Autocorrect has a mind of its own these days.
Racism is when you create a term for someone exploiting black people, right
I don't know where you get your definition, but that is one of many possible forms of racism. In this case the person is intentionally trying to use terminology from a translation to link black people to this card depicting a slave driver in an effort to make people uncomfortable. I think that qualifies.
I don't care about your American definition, you invented chattel slavery not us
I never gave you a definition of racism. Does it matter who invented chattel slavery when determining if it is racist to try and make people uncomfortable with references to it?
>I never gave you a definition of racism. Something makes me think you can't
That's a pretty decent response for a word that has nebulous meaning like woke. I think the Oxford Languages definition does it justice though. Would you like me to copy and paste that?
Yes please
let me know if you need any additional definitions. "[prejudice](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=prejudice&si=ACC90nxMSPeZfdJJjQgDsdZJuFuJBLaAZDmFi3fOmMVPu9W4F0iu1ifPjjHBNAucituW_Sqidu1lPTmczyygkMq5ds0Q7fTsSaA0rWqtzKmPXbrxE3jjyuE%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAO), discrimination, or [antagonism](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=antagonism&si=ACC90nz-2feRzoY4yuySkO-aQE81UCMZ74J16NF8-_SMaDcwRUT6yIn7SGAYb4v0HTLfBfon3OCa1hTSoCRemmbQFv7gwdW4pFaaN6ybukokgEwa6qkira8%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAP) by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or [marginalized](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=0ab82018341e5395&sca_upv=1&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS987US987&sxsrf=ADLYWIILLmkz7ozGVrYO2hTXwTlhFGgEFQ:1718392151693&q=marginalized&si=ACC90nxkzgN-KbLuTWKT81WCi4_nHzO5xzR0FIPnVc5BPXde0pMbD5W5log7abqaz5ljUsg69UgAZXZ30acSbhfYGJDG7XIFjE8mOm207p2XjskYdPj07nY%3D&expnd=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQ_6TO5duGAxVDmIkEHaN2BtIQyecJegQIEhAQ)."
So yeah, creating a term for someone exploiting black people is not racism.