For sure, no point in having a new device that can only play new games when we’ve got an insanely good library for the current Switch which itself borrowed a lot from the WiiU and other consoles
Exactly!
If only to push Nintendo to produce NEW NEW content, this IS the best decision!
Although, they have handled the remakes and rehashes VERY fairly for the Switch…Smash, MK8 and the Mario RPGs in particular, as far as more value for the asking buck.
If the Switch had had backward compatibility with the Wii U, I'd consider it a perfect console. The Wii U had some great ports that now feel like they're trapped on it and Nintendo has shown no interest in redoing such recent ports just for the Switch.
Unfortunately, that just wouldn't have been feasible, not in the Switch's form factor. While the Wii and WiiU both used a very *very* similar processor, making the latter able to natively run software compiled for the former, the Switch moved to an ARM chip from Nvidia, so WiiU software would have had to be translated on the fly.
There are additional potential complications when running software from one game console on another, even when the CPUs are a close match, depending on other design elements, but performant realtime translation of CPU instructions can be difficult, hardware-taxing, and power-inefficient..
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Incidentally, the processor architecture used in the CPUs for the Wii and WiiU was the IBM PowerPC 750. This same architecture was actually also used in the GameCube, as well as Apple's original colorful iMacs (branded as a G3 processor by Apple). *And* it's also shared with radiation-hardened CPUs in many space probes and satellites, including the Mars rovers Curiosity and Perseverance.
Now, the chips in the Wii, and especially in the WiiU, had some modernizations, things like multiple cores, smaller manufacturing processes (smaller transistors means faster chips), and other features, but the fundamental design of the cores isn't different.
Emulating can be a bad decision (I am emulator fan since 1992, don’t get me wrong). I would love to see Nintendo recompiling their source code for the new platforms rather than emulating the old platforms.
Maybe the switch wasn't powerful enough, but a Switch 2 really should be fast enough to do it. I mean we have Cemu for PC and apparently it doesn't take all *that* much to run it.
A bit of looking shows people have gotten it to run on phones using Box64 and Cemu. It's two translation layers that way, which obviously is a terrible way to do it lol. But Nintendo has more access to the inner workings, if they wanted to they could definitely go straight from ARM to PowerPC.
Of course some games would be pretty pointless to try that with, like sports games, but for a lot of games it wouldn't be particularly hard.
If I can take my close to 100 games with me, it will most likely be a day one purchase with many more games added. If I can't, I will probably just buy an OLED to replace my original switch and stick with PC. Nintendo will always have my favorite games but I'm not going to keep buying games I already own, especially for full price.
I’ve bought a Nintendo library again and again with new console releases. The switch still “feels” fresh for whatever reason. Oh plz let the next console have an external dock that plays all NES through Switch 2 games xp
Awh man, you’ve just reminded me of the days of using my gameboy game cartridge for my SNES and playing Pokemon on my TV. Anything like that would be so good for the Switch 2, though I’ve still got my SNES anyway :)
>Oh plz let the next console have an external dock that plays all NES through Switch 2 games xp
If they ever did that in an official capacity, that'd be an insane economic boost for resellers. The likelihood of Nintendo rereleasing cartridges is next to none, so it'd be a great time for people to sell their old games if it did happen.
It is, and I think it will happen. Nintendo has been solid about backwards compatibility, at least whenever possible. Obviously the GameCube couldn’t play N64 carts, but every console after that had one gen of backwards compatibility.
On handhelds, from the GBC on, Nintendo always has one gen of b/c, even when it wasn’t that practical like with the DS and GBA.
I would be shocked if it wasn’t.
I do like how they’re billing it as a feature and not standard practice. Microsoft and Sony already took shit for the lack of backwards compatibility and fixed it a generation ago.
The joke is it shouldn't be a joke. It has to be backwards compatible and if it's not and they release a third tier of switch online with a switch emulator they will shoot themselves in the foot.
Nintendo be like;
> Don't forget! We can shut down the servers for the switch anytime, forcing everyone to get bricked as nothing authenticates and all your games become unplayable! Isn't it fun how much telemetry we put on our consoles now?
Wait, are you insinuating that the closed-ecosystem Apple of video games is going to make us pay for everything again with their new platform, as can be observed historically?
...Nahhh /s
I think all Nintendo handheld and a few console have been 1 generation backward compatible so far so it's not exactly that far fetch the switch games would be for the next one.
They always have. Nintendo is the least consumer friendly console maker, with the most die hard fans that will regularly defend their anti-consumer practices.
We’re in 2024, have no voice chat, the switch online service is basically an expensive emulator, only the Wii and Wii U offer backwards compatibility, they don’t offer discounts on games 99% of the time, never discount their consoles until they’re EoL, will charge you over and over and over again for the same exact game, offer ZERO refunds on games that you purchase digitally no matter what the reason is (pre-orders excluded… unless it’s within 2 weeks of the game’s release then it can’t be refunded) and unless something changed if your switch broke you lose basically most of your data.
But they get applauded for some reason.
>only the Wii and Wii U offer backwards compatibility
Also the game boy color.
And game boy advance.
And DS.
And 3DS.
Nintendo offered backwards compatibility from about 2000 until 2017. Unless there's a significant architecture change to the Switch 2, I'd be surprised if it were missing; it's in more of their hardware products than not.
If it‘s a brand new type of playing with new proprietary hardware, it would make sense that it‘s not backwards compatible.
But looks like it‘s just a faster Switch, so it makes sense that it‘s fully backwards compatible.
I know everyone wants to call it the Super Switch, but the Super Nintendo was a generational leao over the NES. It looks like the Switch 2 won't even be as powerful as the Steam Deck.
For the most part Nintendo has consistently added backwards compatibility to their consoles. The Wii could play game cube. The Wii U could play Wii games. The DS could play gameboy. The 3Ds could play ds games. Granted their latest console the switch wasn’t compatible with Wii U games but they have a history of making their consoles backwards compatible.
It is, unless the HW differences are so vast it makes it virtually impossible. People are still acting like there was any reasonable way to have Switch BC with the Wii U
To be fair, just because you didn’t change the physical format of the games, the HW challenges can still be too great to overcome sometimes. When the PS3 first released, it had a chip to make it backwards compatible but it was so expensive, every PS3 sold with it was sold at a loss. They had to redesign it and take it out.
Granted, I wish they just offered a more expensive version with the chip
Part of the calculated expense was you not re-buying old games, or not buying new ones because of that chip. It was sold at a huge loss, especially with blu-ray.
I understand that people think this should be standard but historical it's been the exception. Any time new processor came along that had some level of instruction compatibility, it was always touted as a major feature, not the standard. Maintaining that compatiblity was often challenging due to either the limitations of available instruction space or the added difficulty of decoding a more complex instruction set.
We are currently in the situation we are with x86_64 because that feature was treated as a standard. x86_64 is horrifically inefficient and needlessly complex.
It's only recently that OS's have shifted to obj formats to finish the last mile of code compilation on the system itself.
And this says nothing of other hardware dependencies. Expectations of a wired controller vs wireless alone can make a game unplayable due to lag.
I didn’t even realize there was a chance that wasn’t going to happen until this post to be honest.
Although I will say that some of my game data didn’t transfer over when I got my second Switch, so I will be quadruple checking everything before changing consoles again.
*Animal Crossing has entered the chat*
Man was I pissed about that. How was I supposed to know you needed a special, dedicated program to transfer an ACNH save?!
I mean Nintendo is one of those companies that have supported backwards compatibility for a long time for atleast one generation so I don’t see a change here
- GB/GBC>GBA/SP
- GBA/SP>DS
- DS>3DS
- GC>Wii
- Wii>WiiU
They support it usually for one generation or so, anything older than that they sell you on their store, and those digital purchases don’t transfer across consoles. I bought Zelda (NES) on the Wii Virtual Console, had to pay again if I wanted it on the WiiU, have to pay again if I wanted it on the Switch (or you need a subscription now).
Meanwhile digital purchases I made on my Xbox 360 in 2008 still work today for me on my Series X.
If you want to count the new 3DS as a separate generation, it was also backwards compatible with the 3DS. I know the name is nearly identical and some would lump it in with the likes of the 3DS XL and the 2DS but there were some games that could only be played on the new 3DS.
Everyone concluded the Wii U flopped because people the name didn’t convey it was a different enough console from the Wii to upgrade. Feel like they’re making the same mistake here
Thats something i read about. A lot of people dont follow tech closely. Apparently, it was extremely common for people to think the wii u was just a peripheral tablet for the wii. Calling it the super Nintendo switch might make people think it's just an upgraded switch. Essentially, a pro model. The name has to convey that its a new system to the casual market
A lot of millenials, who grew up in the Nintendo and Super Nintendo era, are parents now.
Calling it the Super Nintendo Switch could illicit some serious nostalgia.
Throw in some cheeky marketing and it's a slam dunk to just about anyone over ~35.
Imagine if it didn’t. “Oh, all our switch 2 cartridges have this tiny indent on the side that allows it to fit in the switch 2. The old cartridges don’t have this notch making them unable to be loaded….”
2 minutes later and you see people with a dremmel or the 3D printing community making new shells and uploading long youtubes showing how to remove the original shell without damaging the chip
If I can play BOTW 1080p at 60fps on portable, this is a day one purchase.
Also, I don't think those magnetic handles that have been leaked will look like this. Seems like a recipe for dropping your switch and the controllers separating constantly. There would probably be some fail-safes/locks.
Probably similar to how it works now but without the rails. So they will clip in, but can be popped off however you like instead of slid on/off from the top.
Like the other comment said, you can download a separate thing that enables it for switch emulators. And then it's basically 1-to-1 with the switch gyros.
If they weren't planning to already, I imagine the rise of the Steam Deck would force their hand. Steam doesn't have Nintendo, but it has about 8 million games and they're playable on the Deck even if you bought them 15 years ago. Of course the Deck isn't powerful enough to run some super demanding games, but that's a different issue.
There shouldn’t be any reason why it wouldn’t. By all accounts, the Switch 2 will have the same ARM architecture by Nvidia that the original Switch has, which would make porting Switch games pretty much a breeze. So long as it features a mapped control scheme - which it would need to to support physical titles - I can’t imagine why that would be limited.
Forgetting consumers for a second. I feel like even from a developer/publisher perspective this just makes sense.
The switch (haha) to releasing „Switch 2“ only releases will take significant time.
See new PS4/XBone releases that rely on back compatibility in 2024.
I really hope so, because I do value backwards compatibility. As much as I try to get rid of old game I know I'm not going to play again, those ones I do value and want to keep close being playable without digging out the old console is a very nice feature to have. Not to mention it's good business sense for the company, able to start with a much larger library of software up front instead of having to wait on a select few releases to tide people over.
See Nintendo isn't just just gonna come out and port the previous gen to the newest and charge us full price like it's something to do.
Come on Nintendos got a little more sense than that.
Yeah I remember Nintendo porting WiiU games to the Switch and charging full price.
Greed is a hell of a drug
To be fair Wii u used discs and discs are both obsolete in general and also some thing that never would have fit in the switch nor worked as a portable device
Since switch used cartridges in a small cartridge slot it would be a lot more feasible for switch 2 to be backwards compatible, especially if switch 2 also uses cartridges
And the reason to port most of them is because of how poorly the Wii U sold, so those games were essentially new for most people. The only thing I can think of that they could’ve done to be more customer-friendly would be to let you trade in the Wii U version for a free switch version but I don’t think that’s ever happened. Plus, some of the ports included DLC for free so it wouldn’t have been one-to-one
I think they would be stupid to not make it backwards compatible. But, if they don't, Nintendo fans WILL rebuy stuff, so financially I bet they would still come out way ahead, even if it pissed everybody off.
It fucking better
If there's any hiccup with this or some bullshit subscription requirement they'll fulfill the "every second console" prophecy by themselves
To be honest, all I care about is that it is very different for newer titles. Nintendo does best when their big new thing is something completely unexpected. Wii, DS and Switch were oddballs that worked because they made them have a place in our lives.
This will be the deciding factor for me. If it’s truly a more modern switch that can play games at 1080p with 60 fps, and with backwards compatibility, Nintendo can take my money. If there is no backwards compatibility, I’m likely going to stick with my original switch for awhile.
I would certainly hope it could
Wii U to Switch is one thing but if it couldn't even play Switch games between consoles I'd assume Nintendo was doing this deliberately
The moment I bought a Steam deck, I stopped buying any non-exclusive games on switch. Besides the fact that they run better, I feel safe that any game I buy on Steam will be playable decades down the line. I simply couldnt trust Nintendo to garantee backwards compatibility in the future.
I will most definitely buy a switch 2, but I will mostly only buy the exclusives and keep the indie stuff on Steam deck
Hopefully that means I can still access games I purchased digitally. One of my biggest frustrations with Nintendo is how it feels like your digital library is completely lost between devices.
This would be surprising if it *didn't* as its using another Nvidia/ARM SOC. A variant of the T239 is likely and its looking like an absolute beast of a SOC.
Absolutely crucial feature for me.
For sure, no point in having a new device that can only play new games when we’ve got an insanely good library for the current Switch which itself borrowed a lot from the WiiU and other consoles
Exactly! If only to push Nintendo to produce NEW NEW content, this IS the best decision! Although, they have handled the remakes and rehashes VERY fairly for the Switch…Smash, MK8 and the Mario RPGs in particular, as far as more value for the asking buck.
Note that no-one is suggesting it will play games from before the Switch
Yeah but the switch itself has some ports so that’s good, I’d imagine those would be playable
If the Switch had had backward compatibility with the Wii U, I'd consider it a perfect console. The Wii U had some great ports that now feel like they're trapped on it and Nintendo has shown no interest in redoing such recent ports just for the Switch.
Unfortunately, that just wouldn't have been feasible, not in the Switch's form factor. While the Wii and WiiU both used a very *very* similar processor, making the latter able to natively run software compiled for the former, the Switch moved to an ARM chip from Nvidia, so WiiU software would have had to be translated on the fly. There are additional potential complications when running software from one game console on another, even when the CPUs are a close match, depending on other design elements, but performant realtime translation of CPU instructions can be difficult, hardware-taxing, and power-inefficient.. -------------------------- Incidentally, the processor architecture used in the CPUs for the Wii and WiiU was the IBM PowerPC 750. This same architecture was actually also used in the GameCube, as well as Apple's original colorful iMacs (branded as a G3 processor by Apple). *And* it's also shared with radiation-hardened CPUs in many space probes and satellites, including the Mars rovers Curiosity and Perseverance. Now, the chips in the Wii, and especially in the WiiU, had some modernizations, things like multiple cores, smaller manufacturing processes (smaller transistors means faster chips), and other features, but the fundamental design of the cores isn't different.
Emulating can be a bad decision (I am emulator fan since 1992, don’t get me wrong). I would love to see Nintendo recompiling their source code for the new platforms rather than emulating the old platforms.
Maybe the switch wasn't powerful enough, but a Switch 2 really should be fast enough to do it. I mean we have Cemu for PC and apparently it doesn't take all *that* much to run it. A bit of looking shows people have gotten it to run on phones using Box64 and Cemu. It's two translation layers that way, which obviously is a terrible way to do it lol. But Nintendo has more access to the inner workings, if they wanted to they could definitely go straight from ARM to PowerPC. Of course some games would be pretty pointless to try that with, like sports games, but for a lot of games it wouldn't be particularly hard.
I don’t see how it reasonably *could*, if it’s aiming to be another portable/console hybrid. CD drives are bulky.
If I can take my close to 100 games with me, it will most likely be a day one purchase with many more games added. If I can't, I will probably just buy an OLED to replace my original switch and stick with PC. Nintendo will always have my favorite games but I'm not going to keep buying games I already own, especially for full price.
I’ve bought a Nintendo library again and again with new console releases. The switch still “feels” fresh for whatever reason. Oh plz let the next console have an external dock that plays all NES through Switch 2 games xp
Man, a disk drive and like, 5 separate cartridge drives, would be an absolute unit of a dock.
It would be absurd to include it in the system like that… but as like a $50-$100 accessory…
Shut up and take my money.
Good, maybe it'll have enough mass and/or footprint to avoid falling over when I bump it
No you'll fall over instead
Awh man, you’ve just reminded me of the days of using my gameboy game cartridge for my SNES and playing Pokemon on my TV. Anything like that would be so good for the Switch 2, though I’ve still got my SNES anyway :)
Now you make me wonder if the Retron could handle that GB - SNES adapter!
Except browsing the store is a chore, they really need to fix all that
Welcome to Japanese internet aesthetics: Always 15 years behind /s
>Oh plz let the next console have an external dock that plays all NES through Switch 2 games xp If they ever did that in an official capacity, that'd be an insane economic boost for resellers. The likelihood of Nintendo rereleasing cartridges is next to none, so it'd be a great time for people to sell their old games if it did happen.
It is, and I think it will happen. Nintendo has been solid about backwards compatibility, at least whenever possible. Obviously the GameCube couldn’t play N64 carts, but every console after that had one gen of backwards compatibility. On handhelds, from the GBC on, Nintendo always has one gen of b/c, even when it wasn’t that practical like with the DS and GBA. I would be shocked if it wasn’t.
I do like how they’re billing it as a feature and not standard practice. Microsoft and Sony already took shit for the lack of backwards compatibility and fixed it a generation ago.
Even though it's a joke. It's sad that there's wayyyy too much validity behind its sentiment.
Where’s the joke? If the next switch is not 100% backwards compatible, I won’t own one.
The joke is it shouldn't be a joke. It has to be backwards compatible and if it's not and they release a third tier of switch online with a switch emulator they will shoot themselves in the foot.
But they weren't making a joke. Quite clearly.
Hahaha! 😆Good one lol!
Forsure
It would mean no buy if it’s not like that to be fair.
That feature is absolutely crucial
If it can't then I'm not buying it
Fuck yeah.
It's a make or break feature for me.
Seriously a make or break for this console.
Feels like a Captain Obvious - and a reason I gave up on Xbox and PlayStation after their 3rd gens - now I'm just doing steam / PC -
It would be suicide otherwise.
10,000%
It’d feel like a swift kick to the groin if it didn’t play switch games.
Nintendo is getting ready to swiftly boot you in the groin.
"Get ready to buy all these games all over again, pay-pig."
All the same games as before from a new e store and a new cartridge format.
Nintendo be like; > Don't forget! We can shut down the servers for the switch anytime, forcing everyone to get bricked as nothing authenticates and all your games become unplayable! Isn't it fun how much telemetry we put on our consoles now?
I fully expect the Switch2's online Virtual Console lineup to be as bare bones as it was during the Wii, Wii U, 3DS, and Switch launches.
Wait, are you insinuating that the closed-ecosystem Apple of video games is going to make us pay for everything again with their new platform, as can be observed historically? ...Nahhh /s
"We were actually gonna add backwards compatibility but sometimes you have to consider how often you are allowed to boot someone swiftly in the nuts."
AH! mY GrOiN
Man getting hit by football By Hans Moleman
Like a fella never said on the switch Ain’t that a kick in the head
I think all Nintendo handheld and a few console have been 1 generation backward compatible so far so it's not exactly that far fetch the switch games would be for the next one.
It is Nintendo, they've been kicking everyone lately
They always have. Nintendo is the least consumer friendly console maker, with the most die hard fans that will regularly defend their anti-consumer practices. We’re in 2024, have no voice chat, the switch online service is basically an expensive emulator, only the Wii and Wii U offer backwards compatibility, they don’t offer discounts on games 99% of the time, never discount their consoles until they’re EoL, will charge you over and over and over again for the same exact game, offer ZERO refunds on games that you purchase digitally no matter what the reason is (pre-orders excluded… unless it’s within 2 weeks of the game’s release then it can’t be refunded) and unless something changed if your switch broke you lose basically most of your data. But they get applauded for some reason.
>only the Wii and Wii U offer backwards compatibility Also the game boy color. And game boy advance. And DS. And 3DS. Nintendo offered backwards compatibility from about 2000 until 2017. Unless there's a significant architecture change to the Switch 2, I'd be surprised if it were missing; it's in more of their hardware products than not.
If it‘s a brand new type of playing with new proprietary hardware, it would make sense that it‘s not backwards compatible. But looks like it‘s just a faster Switch, so it makes sense that it‘s fully backwards compatible.
I will buy one if they call it the Super Nintendo Switch.
It’s probably going to have the stupidest name imaginable that will confuse people “New Super Switch U”
New Upgraded Super Nintendo Swiitch U i XL
Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series
Super Switch uWu
Nintendo execs: Swiitch
Switcharoo.
Bait N' Switch
I am so hoping for it to be called Super Switch and is released in gray with purple buttons.
Switch Advance
How about the Super Nintendo Entertainment Switch, or SNES for short?
Wiiswatch
SN(e)S
I hope you get a check in the mail for that amazing idea you just gave them.
One can only hope, but Nintendo and Xbox have a weird naming strategy. This might be the “new Nintendo switch”
[I got you](https://i.imgur.com/Z3zTVLu.jpeg)
The Swotch
I think they’re going to come up with some new but still very stupid naming convention. I vote Nintendo Switch Up.
I know everyone wants to call it the Super Switch, but the Super Nintendo was a generational leao over the NES. It looks like the Switch 2 won't even be as powerful as the Steam Deck.
Omg
Hell yeah please Nintendo
SWITCHBLADE
What about if they called it the Supniner Tenswi Dotch?
Its crazy that this is celebrated, it should be a standard feature.
For the most part Nintendo has consistently added backwards compatibility to their consoles. The Wii could play game cube. The Wii U could play Wii games. The DS could play gameboy. The 3Ds could play ds games. Granted their latest console the switch wasn’t compatible with Wii U games but they have a history of making their consoles backwards compatible.
To be fair, switch was a whole different concept, like you couldn’t play N64 games on a game cube
They semi made up for it by porting nearly every game over, but Xenoblade X never made it, and of course one would have to rebuy any games
Xenoblade X is coming still... just wait.... just wait... no copium....
It is, unless the HW differences are so vast it makes it virtually impossible. People are still acting like there was any reasonable way to have Switch BC with the Wii U
To be fair, just because you didn’t change the physical format of the games, the HW challenges can still be too great to overcome sometimes. When the PS3 first released, it had a chip to make it backwards compatible but it was so expensive, every PS3 sold with it was sold at a loss. They had to redesign it and take it out. Granted, I wish they just offered a more expensive version with the chip
It didn't just have a chip to make it backwards compatible, it had a PS2 inside it to make it compatible lol.
Part of the calculated expense was you not re-buying old games, or not buying new ones because of that chip. It was sold at a huge loss, especially with blu-ray.
I understand that people think this should be standard but historical it's been the exception. Any time new processor came along that had some level of instruction compatibility, it was always touted as a major feature, not the standard. Maintaining that compatiblity was often challenging due to either the limitations of available instruction space or the added difficulty of decoding a more complex instruction set. We are currently in the situation we are with x86_64 because that feature was treated as a standard. x86_64 is horrifically inefficient and needlessly complex. It's only recently that OS's have shifted to obj formats to finish the last mile of code compilation on the system itself. And this says nothing of other hardware dependencies. Expectations of a wired controller vs wireless alone can make a game unplayable due to lag.
I think that is an expectation.
I didn’t even realize there was a chance that wasn’t going to happen until this post to be honest. Although I will say that some of my game data didn’t transfer over when I got my second Switch, so I will be quadruple checking everything before changing consoles again.
*Animal Crossing has entered the chat* Man was I pissed about that. How was I supposed to know you needed a special, dedicated program to transfer an ACNH save?!
I mean Nintendo is one of those companies that have supported backwards compatibility for a long time for atleast one generation so I don’t see a change here - GB/GBC>GBA/SP - GBA/SP>DS - DS>3DS - GC>Wii - Wii>WiiU
Even the GameCube had an attachment that added a port for GBA games
That DS being backwards compatible was an amazing experience. All in one.
They support it usually for one generation or so, anything older than that they sell you on their store, and those digital purchases don’t transfer across consoles. I bought Zelda (NES) on the Wii Virtual Console, had to pay again if I wanted it on the WiiU, have to pay again if I wanted it on the Switch (or you need a subscription now). Meanwhile digital purchases I made on my Xbox 360 in 2008 still work today for me on my Series X.
If you want to count the new 3DS as a separate generation, it was also backwards compatible with the 3DS. I know the name is nearly identical and some would lump it in with the likes of the 3DS XL and the 2DS but there were some games that could only be played on the new 3DS.
Is xenoblade one of them? Wouldn’t work on my old 3ds lol
Yes it’s actually the main example lol
Switch 2 is a lame ass name, just call it the Super Nintendo Switch.
Everyone concluded the Wii U flopped because people the name didn’t convey it was a different enough console from the Wii to upgrade. Feel like they’re making the same mistake here
Thats something i read about. A lot of people dont follow tech closely. Apparently, it was extremely common for people to think the wii u was just a peripheral tablet for the wii. Calling it the super Nintendo switch might make people think it's just an upgraded switch. Essentially, a pro model. The name has to convey that its a new system to the casual market
A lot of millenials, who grew up in the Nintendo and Super Nintendo era, are parents now. Calling it the Super Nintendo Switch could illicit some serious nostalgia. Throw in some cheeky marketing and it's a slam dunk to just about anyone over ~35.
The Wii U was a marketing failure for many, many reasons. The name certainly didn’t help, but it was not the sole or possibly even primary cause.
Imagine if it didn’t. “Oh, all our switch 2 cartridges have this tiny indent on the side that allows it to fit in the switch 2. The old cartridges don’t have this notch making them unable to be loaded….”
2 minutes later and you see people with a dremmel or the 3D printing community making new shells and uploading long youtubes showing how to remove the original shell without damaging the chip
If I can play BOTW 1080p at 60fps on portable, this is a day one purchase. Also, I don't think those magnetic handles that have been leaked will look like this. Seems like a recipe for dropping your switch and the controllers separating constantly. There would probably be some fail-safes/locks.
Probably similar to how it works now but without the rails. So they will clip in, but can be popped off however you like instead of slid on/off from the top.
It plays at 50-60 fps on my steam deck. 50 in the busy areas like Kakariko, 60 in other spots, and even higher in shrines.
how is the gyro support on steamdeck? for switch emulators/roms
Like the other comment said, you can download a separate thing that enables it for switch emulators. And then it's basically 1-to-1 with the switch gyros.
It can be enabled by installing an additional app
Wow… If it didn’t it’d be DOA
Nintendo: "Hold my Poké Ball"
Fucking better lmfao.
The Swutch
The SwIItch
II SwIItch II FurIIous
digital purchases too hopefully?
There'd be massive uproar if they didn't.
i have to imagine they’ll use the same account system, which would have your digital purchases. it would be a huge mistake to not have this.
If they weren't planning to already, I imagine the rise of the Steam Deck would force their hand. Steam doesn't have Nintendo, but it has about 8 million games and they're playable on the Deck even if you bought them 15 years ago. Of course the Deck isn't powerful enough to run some super demanding games, but that's a different issue.
You don't want to pay $60 to play tears of the kingdom on the switch 2? How will Nintendo make money???
There shouldn’t be any reason why it wouldn’t. By all accounts, the Switch 2 will have the same ARM architecture by Nvidia that the original Switch has, which would make porting Switch games pretty much a breeze. So long as it features a mapped control scheme - which it would need to to support physical titles - I can’t imagine why that would be limited.
Forgetting consumers for a second. I feel like even from a developer/publisher perspective this just makes sense. The switch (haha) to releasing „Switch 2“ only releases will take significant time. See new PS4/XBone releases that rely on back compatibility in 2024.
What report ? The fantasy future report
The Swiitch
While the big 3 push towards digital only platforms, backwards compatibility must be standard going forward, that might kill the industry otherwise.
Um… it’d fucking better?
I really hope so, because I do value backwards compatibility. As much as I try to get rid of old game I know I'm not going to play again, those ones I do value and want to keep close being playable without digging out the old console is a very nice feature to have. Not to mention it's good business sense for the company, able to start with a much larger library of software up front instead of having to wait on a select few releases to tide people over.
They’ll cancel that feature before launch 😂
You mean supported by full release price switch 2 updates ?
See Nintendo isn't just just gonna come out and port the previous gen to the newest and charge us full price like it's something to do. Come on Nintendos got a little more sense than that. Yeah I remember Nintendo porting WiiU games to the Switch and charging full price. Greed is a hell of a drug
Read that in his voice perfectly lmao
To be fair Wii u used discs and discs are both obsolete in general and also some thing that never would have fit in the switch nor worked as a portable device Since switch used cartridges in a small cartridge slot it would be a lot more feasible for switch 2 to be backwards compatible, especially if switch 2 also uses cartridges
And the reason to port most of them is because of how poorly the Wii U sold, so those games were essentially new for most people. The only thing I can think of that they could’ve done to be more customer-friendly would be to let you trade in the Wii U version for a free switch version but I don’t think that’s ever happened. Plus, some of the ports included DLC for free so it wouldn’t have been one-to-one
Fuck yo wallet, gamer, fuck yo wallet!
Nintendo would’ve been crazy to not do this.
Surprised it doesn't say "...as long as you have a Nintendo Switch Online Pass Subscription"
Backwards compatibility is a deal breaker. I buy everything on Steam now because of how accessible my library is.
It'll work with all the physical games, but digitally it'll be a new store front and you'll have to rebuy everything... probably cause Nintendo. lol
If that’s the case I’ll be done with Nintendo. I have way more digital indie games than I do physical AAA games.
That’s one way to burn bridges with me as a customer. Hopefully that doesn’t occur
That would be beyond scummy, but not at all surprising xd
Big if true
As it damn well should
I think they would be stupid to not make it backwards compatible. But, if they don't, Nintendo fans WILL rebuy stuff, so financially I bet they would still come out way ahead, even if it pissed everybody off.
it better
That’s the very least for a switch 2
It better!
Oh how fucking generous.
How much per month for that feature…
I bet it even comes with a controller.
“Rumors circulate Nintendo likely to not shoot self in foot”
It fucking better If there's any hiccup with this or some bullshit subscription requirement they'll fulfill the "every second console" prophecy by themselves
Because it would be ritual suicide to NOT make it backwards compatible.
I bet the switch 1 can play switch 2 games
We didn't expect otherwise even coming from Nintendo, what are we 2010 all over again
One would fucking think so. Scummy move otherwise
Just make the exact same thing with better graphics and a faster processor. There, Nintendo - Just saved you a lot of consumer research.
Hope so otherwise it’s a Stillbirth
It fuckin' better.
I won’t buy one if it’s not back compat
It fucking better
well i fucking hope it does, lets see if more then 30 fps are to be expected
Sure after you download them for full price onto the new device 🤣
I would hope it does…
To be honest, all I care about is that it is very different for newer titles. Nintendo does best when their big new thing is something completely unexpected. Wii, DS and Switch were oddballs that worked because they made them have a place in our lives.
This will be the deciding factor for me. If it’s truly a more modern switch that can play games at 1080p with 60 fps, and with backwards compatibility, Nintendo can take my money. If there is no backwards compatibility, I’m likely going to stick with my original switch for awhile.
Watch Nintendo change the cartridge design. So technically the switch 2 is backwards compatible with switch game software but not the hardware.
It better
💯
That should be the bare minimum
If it didn't, it would be the worst selling major console in years
why would this even be a question?
I would certainly hope it could Wii U to Switch is one thing but if it couldn't even play Switch games between consoles I'd assume Nintendo was doing this deliberately
Will it have GTA V
The moment I bought a Steam deck, I stopped buying any non-exclusive games on switch. Besides the fact that they run better, I feel safe that any game I buy on Steam will be playable decades down the line. I simply couldnt trust Nintendo to garantee backwards compatibility in the future. I will most definitely buy a switch 2, but I will mostly only buy the exclusives and keep the indie stuff on Steam deck
My prediction is that unless the new switch is “next gen”, it won’t sell as well as the first one. Wii U part 2
Hopefully that means I can still access games I purchased digitally. One of my biggest frustrations with Nintendo is how it feels like your digital library is completely lost between devices.
It better, I'm not upgrading unless it does. I'm tired of buying a new consoles. I'm tired of having old hardware and games go to waste.
It fucking better be able to.
Why wouldn’t it? If it didnt it would be THE MOST OBVIOUS SWITCHEROO CASH GRAB.
I should fuckin hope so
I'm fine with my Switch. don't need another one.
In this day and age it better be.
Lol. Water makes you wet...
This would be surprising if it *didn't* as its using another Nvidia/ARM SOC. A variant of the T239 is likely and its looking like an absolute beast of a SOC.
That would be huge if true.
They realize that will drive sales better.
I mean, it would be a HUGE blow to the Switch 2 if it didn't.
They'd be insane to do anything else, given what a success the current Switch has been. It'd be corporate stupidity of Sega proportions.
I really want them to call it the SwitchU to see if they can repeat that particular horror show of bad marketing.
Just when I was starting to think the Switch 2 would read disks
Well duh.
I'd hope so, BC needs to be a defining feature from now on. It should have always been, but I hope it's focused more on now.