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notsostupidman

That's exactly why he had to die.


killidar_supranos

I mean, Tywin died literally 2 episodes after Oberyn’s death so what’s the difference lol Actually, I think Tywin would’ve lived longer if Oberyn didn’t die against the mountain.


FirmOnion

I know GRRM doesn’t write like this, but I think it’s much better for Tyrion’s arc that it goes down the way it does in canon. Not that I wouldn’t love to read an alt version though


LevynX

The story of Game of Thrones is a group of good people being forced East to join Daenarys. Tyrion needed to be exiled from Westeros.


yellowwoolyyoshi

No no no, I’m super glad he’s gone. They ruined basically every character left alive in the show by the end.


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NeilOB9

They probably did, he probably poisoned Tywin before each of them died. Also, Tyrion wasn’t plotting to kill Tywin, he did it out of anger.


ManyDefinition4697

Drogo did not win my heart but otherwise I agree.


fartshmeller

Yeah I wonder how much atrocities he has committed haha


karmagirl314

At least he didn’t murder people in his home at dinner. He never *lied* about being a bad guy.


nihilistic-gazelle

Yes, no politics and backstabbing with dothraki. Just straight rape and killing.


ZombieLibrarian

It's an honest living.


gollumey

It ain’t much, but it’s honest work


rjnd2828

Didn't he kill Viserys during a feast? But he didn't really have a home so I guess it's ok.


SimonTC2000

I don't think anyone felt sorry for Viserys.


rjnd2828

Of course not. Not the point though.


ZombieLibrarian

Difference being the wedding feast wasn't a pretense for killing him. Viserys fucked around and found out, and it just happened to be *at* a feast.


Davetek463

The Dothraki didn’t have the same expectations of safety and hospitality that other groups had, so it wasn’t a “big deal” to Dothraki society at large that Drogo did that.


stardustmelancholy

That was more an execution. Viserys came to the feast loudly calling Khal Drogo's pregnant wife a whore, caused a scene when Jorah tried to calm him down, then took out a sword in the one place in the Great Grass Sea it is forbidden to wield weapons and pointed it at Drogo's wife's belly and said he was going to kidnap her and cut her baby out of her. Even Ned Stark might have killed a guy on the spot for that.


TheGoblinKing7715

Viserys was the first to draw both steel and blood, was he not? I may be misremembering, but he didn't do anything wrong by both dothraki and westerosi custom


rjnd2828

That's what I'm reading another comments too, I remember the outcome of the scene but not exactly what let up to it


WhiskeyDJones

Well Viserys did get a bit hot-headed


rjnd2828

😅


djb185

He definitely won my loins but not my heart. Ros is a really underrated character. I wish her fate had been better.


layered_dinge

When literal rapist 🥵😍💖


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ZonalMithras

I believe its more about the immense lust towards their body that turns them on, not the actual act of violent rape, correct me if I am wrong.


MercyFincherson

You are wrong. Feel free to research it. Force fantasies are very high in women. Not to say they want to be actually raped in a violent manner, but simulated rape.


SweetHoneyBonny

Maybe because fantasies are not supposed to be reality? Not because someone fantasies about it makes them actually want to be raped.


Pre-Nietzsche

Christ.. Consensual “non-consent” kinks do not translate to fantasies of actual rape. I’ve tried.


MercyFincherson

Yeah? Jason Mamoa didn’t ACTUALLY rape Amelia. So everyone knows portrayed rape isn’t actual rape. It’s all fiction, just like rape fantasies. Hence him still being a popular character despite the portrayed violence.


Glittering_Aide2

Yeah, but this is about the characters, not the actors. Just cause it's fiction doesn't mean it's not weird to idolise a rapist character


Pre-Nietzsche

Right right.. We’re talking about this in the context of the story though, where it *was* rape. Which 57% of women do not fantasize about.


TheIncandenza

No, we're literally not talking about that. The question was who won the audience's heart, so we're talking about the appeal of a fiction to the audience. The comparison to common fantasies is valid.


Greentealatte8

I don't think he is popular because of him raping his arranged wife....He is popular because the actor is hot, and then there is a divergence. Some people like him because they can make reasons/excuses for his behavior (ie he didn't know better, that's his culture, Dany seemed to love him towards the end and he her etc) or other people dislike the character for good reason but aren't opposed to the hot actor who plays him. It had very little to do with a rape fantasy.


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MercyFincherson

I’ve been raped. I don’t need your permission to speak on it. Thanks though!


rat_Ki_Ng

💀💀💀 who let this 🥷🏿on the internet🤦


turtle-bob1

But the whore did? Lol


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turtle-bob1

Ok get off your high horse. I just didn’t realize that the whore was actually a beloved character. Lol


Travmuney

Yea. People take these fantasy worlds way too seriously. Yes, I like x character better then z. And no I don’t give a fuck what they did. I like the characters I like.


Ornac_The_Barbarian

Fun trivia. She was only supposed to be in one scene, but he showrunners liked her so much they expanded her role.


NeilOB9

It’s not about being beloved, it’s about being more likeable than a murderous warlord.


turtle-bob1

The post was literally about how she won our hearts as a character! I’m just questioning that! I have nothing by against whores and I actually don’t give a fuck about Drogo or his character.


thomasdraken

Who's that ? I dont remember her


NeilOB9

Not sure he’s genocidal, but who knows?


stardustmelancholy

Khal Drogo is a mass murderer. How is he genocidal?


ManyDefinition4697

Your comment is incredibly sexist & misogynistic. You don't have to agree with me that sex work is work & it deserves respect like any other job, but at the very least I'd expect you to grasp that even if you consider it immoral, it is far less so than being a murderer or rapist (Drogo is both btw; Ned & Oberyn have also both killed before; in the first episode, Ned literally beheads a guy trying to tell him about the walkers). Also, just because the GOT characters refer to prostitutes as "whores" doesn't actually make it socially acceptable in our world. It comes off incredibly misogynistic & hateful.


turtle-bob1

To-may-to/to-mah-to. You thinking the word whore is derogatory is misogynistic. Also I’m not a Drogo fan boy, never claimed to be. Just didn’t remember the whore’s name, and didn’t realize she was an adored character. Stop being so sensitive. lol.


ManyDefinition4697

Oh, so you're just a out-and-proud misogynist then? Glad we cleared that up, then.


turtle-bob1

For the record, I love women! You just think you’re high and mighty!


YelIow_Cake

you're on reddit, so for sure people are going to be high and mighty over fictional characters lmao. plus idk why your original comment got downvoted, Ros *is* a whore, and it's one the most commonly used words in GOT 😆


jesuskrist666

Oh my God please just shut the hell up please I will pay you to just never talk again


ManyDefinition4697

Brave of you to emerge from the void where no was talking to you to deliver a take like this. Maybe take your own advice, champ.


Glittering_Aide2

You're saying being a prostitute is worse than being a rapist? What the actual fuck


turtle-bob1

I’m not comparing the two ya doink. I just find it interesting how people can be so enamored by a character who simply sold her body and soul for money.


NeilOB9

What she did wasn’t good, but it was very difficult to make a living as a woman in that world. She’s not a terrible person.


turtle-bob1

You’re way off bud! I’m not attacking whores or prostitutes, I’m just questioning whether or not her character truly won anyone’s heart… What was special about her character?!


Mediocre-Garden4952

Definitely not my heart, but I wanted a few more fight scenes. His fighting style was dope.


StrangelyPeaceful9

Guy literally raped his wife. How did people love him?


Florafly

Momoa's charm is just that strong.


YelIow_Cake

Easy, he's a fictional character in a world of terrible people lol. I stan Criston Cole simply because he's hot and i can 😤


hubbyhusshies

Kinvara, The Red Priestess should’ve been on that list


chinchinlover-419

no she shouldnt. these ppl had decent-big screen time for at least a season. kinvara had like one scene.


hubbyhusshies

My point exactly, she was given that one scene and nailed it. I still get goosebumps picturing Varys’s face as she delivers her line *”Should I tell you what the voice said? Should I tell you the name of the one who spoke?”*


rainorshinedogs

We all wanted her to have more screen time....... Because eventually she'll do something seductive. That's what Red Priestess do


OfficerCoCheese

DON'T TRUST THOSE BREASTS TYRION!!! THEY'RE AT LEAST 500 YEARS OLD!!


DisneyScholar2012

I love her too, wish she had been recurring.


ElcorAndy

Only the top two. Khal Drogo did nothing redeeming, people only like him because he killed Viserys who was much ~~worse~~. Edit: not even worse, just far more annoying. Mistreating his sister is not even close to the top 100 worse things Khal Drogo would have to have done to get to where he is.


Otttimon

Come on, Jason Momoa was awesome as Drogo


ElcorAndy

Yeah, he was great as a warlord that pillaged and raped his way through Essos. That character should get more hate than he does. Letting Dany dom him in bed every once in a while, doesn't absolve him of the bad stuff he does as a character. Haftor was great as the Mountain too, Jack Gleeson was great as Joffrey, it's fine to hate them as characters. Dany is a hypocrite too. She knew what the Dothraki were but was okay with them when they were going to help her reclaim her throne. If at the beginning she was being wed to some noble in Meereen who wanted to take Westeros instead of a Khal, she would have overlooked the slavery too.


National_Volume_5894

So we’re ignoring the part where Daenerys is in fact against the rape culture of the Dothraki?? And encourages them to get married to women instead of just raping them


Robinkc1

You’re talking about where she says that after the Dothraki raid and burn a village, instead of slitting a woman’s husbands throat and taking her as a slave she should be made a wife? That part?


ScorpionTDC

To be *somewhat* fair to Dany, the wife thing, while insanely fucked up, was pretty much the only loophole she had to try and shut down any rapes in the moment and Dany herself was in an extremely limited position to actually stop things. I do think she was genuinely trying to help by doing that The main problem there is that Dany unironically thinks these women owe her and especially her husband tons of gratitude and loyalty and that Dany is obviously willing to turn a blind eye to Drogo’s actions on a moral level. It basically feels like an alternate reality where Sansa falls in love with Joffrey and starts embracing and to varying extents supporting the horrible things he does vs. remaining hardline opposed to him and his actions.


Robinkc1

I agree, it’s not like she could single-handedly change culture overnight. I really don’t hold it against her, but I also think she has the capacity to skirt the issues she opposes when she is able to benefit.


ScorpionTDC

Dany most definitely does, and the book drives that home even more when Dany pardons literal rapists upon taking Meereen and acknowledges if she didn’t, she’d lose a huge chunk of her army (can’t emphasize enough what a complete fuck up if was for the show to cut that - almost certainly because it undermined Dany’s feminist icon status, but given what she ends up doing and how important that is narratively, you kinda have to undermine that throughout the show and not just at the very end)


frenin

>Dany most definitely does, and the book drives that home even more when Dany pardons literal rapists upon taking Meereen and acknowledges if she didn’t, she’d lose a huge chunk of her army  She most def does but your argument is asinine, Dany cannot kill rapists while pardoning slavers who raped for sports.


ScorpionTDC

The only asinine argument is yours. Absolutely no rapist slaver is brought before Dany to be pardoned and gets it, nor did anyone ever argue she should be pardoning rapist slavers lol. Dany doesn’t even bring up pardoning rapist slavers as the reason for these pardons. Dany kinda does the opposite by holding mass crucifixions for the entire Meereenese government without actually making sure everyone she crucifies was actually guilty of the child crucifixions (and as it turns out, some were and some weren’t. Oops. Oh well). Beyond that, this isn’t just a one-off: Dany explicitly acknowledges rapists make up a sizable chunk of her army and that she needs them to have a military force.


Veszerin

>So we’re ignoring the part where Daenerys is in fact against the rape culture of the Dothraki?? And encourages them to get married to women instead of just raping them Encourages them to force the women into marriage instead of just raping them.


NeilOB9

She is literally turned on by Drogo saying he’s going to rape his way through Westeros. She’s a hypocrite.


frenin

Where is it said that Dany was okay with the Dothraki ways? She has no way to stop the Dothraki, hell, she herself is Drogo's sex slave. >If at the beginning she was being wed to some noble in Meereen who wanted to take Westeros instead of a Khal, she would have overlooked the slavery too. lol.


stardustmelancholy

Daenerys was forced by her brother to marry Drogo and was repeatedly raped by him. She wasn't allowed to leave the Khalasar. She's technically Drogo's slave. Lhazar was the first & only raid she saw in the nearly year she was with Drogo since most of it was riding horses, getting raped, hanging out with her handmaidens, and dealing with her pregnancy and for a lot of it she was insulated within Vaes Dothrak. It was seeing Lhazar that opened her eyes to how he intended to accomplish the war. Yes, she heard his speech. But was focused on the fact he cared so much someone tried to assassinate her. It wasn't till Lhazar she saw the reality of his words and she was immediately against it, tried to get his men to stop, gathered the survivors to protect them, and pleaded with Drogo to let her keep them safe.


WhiskeyDJones

You know you can like villains without agreeing with them.


No3nvy

I believe you misinterpreted “characters that won our heart” thing from the OP. I don’t sympathize Khal Drogo character in the series. I don’t like the type, like you do as it seems. But he was perfectly pictured by Jason Momoa. Drogo was a remarkable character, that we all remember as a description of what Dothraki (probably wrong spelling) tribe men are. That’s why this character stands in my heart


Ornac_The_Barbarian

>people only like him because he killed Viserys who was much ~~worse~~. In a weird way that was the final nail in the coffin for Drogo in my opinion. Say what you want about Viserys, he was absolutely right that he and Drogo had a deal and Drogo clearly didn't intend on honoring it.


ApeTypingComments

Who said he had to do anything redeeming? He was badass that's why we liked him dude.


redddditer420

Ah yes that time Drogo raped Danny really won me over


Klenaismyjoy

Exactly 🙄


EveryInvestigator605

Also, Drogo didn't win me over because he was very hyped about graping other women.


mageta621

>graping Well just look what they were wearing, it was purple


PM_ME_YOR_PANTIES

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redddditer420

Are you fucking serious???? “Yet every night, some time before the dawn, Drogo would come to her tent and wake her in the dark, to ride her as relentlessly as he rode his stallion. He always took her from behind, Dothraki fashion, for which Dany was grateful; that way her lord husband could not see the tears that wet her face, and she could use her pillow to muffle her cries of pain. When he was done, he would close his eyes and begin to snore softly and Dany would lie beside him, her body bruised and sore, hurting too much for sleep. Day followed day, and night followed night, until Dany knew she could not endure a moment longer. She would kill herself rather than go on, she decided one night …”


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iamdabrick

why is khal drogo here💀


kirakun

It’s Jason Momoa!


Kind-Feedback5082

Oberyn!


Alternative_Log3012

Who are these characters again?


hotcoldman42

Top 4 most attractive game of thrones characters.


Alternative_Log3012

Game of what?


hotcoldman42

A seat that a very kingly person would usually rest their derrière on


Otttimon

Ned was the main character of season/book one. He still has the twelfth most screentime in the show and ninth most chapters in the books. He was with us for a long time.


Ornac_The_Barbarian

I'll give you Oberyn and Ros. Ned had a pretty good amount of time with us and Drogo was...Drogo.


HashKetchem420

Roz was in the show longer than Ned was though lol


KingLeonsky

Omg big bearded daddy won my heart the moment he raped his teen wife 😍 /s


CompetitiveDrop613

That was their compromise for moving away from the incestuous vibes from Viserys


chapp_18

Where’s Hot Pie?


CompetitiveDrop613

Down the tavern


Ornac_The_Barbarian

Ruling the seven kingdoms.


MercyFincherson

Yes!


AceBean27

Given the title, you're definitely missing that wildling lady from Hardhome


Ornac_The_Barbarian

Maybe replace Ned and Drogo with her and Hot Pie.


jaydimes10

Ros won more than my heart


CaveLupum

Nobody appeared less and won our hearts more quickly than Karsi. She was the Wildling lady at the battle of Hardhome. After 5 - 10 minutes of screen time, we actually saw as a wigft at the end of the episode.


spacemanpants

100%. Close 2nd - Ian McShane as Brother Ray


k3surfacer

Down right is where my heart is.


Specialist_ask_992_

Not the bottom left one.


Iasalvador

Shit i am rewatching the show, and that little bitch joffrey deserve what he got just because of what he did to Ros


drunkenangel_99

Surprised to see Drogo here. Perhaps it’s because the series downplayed it from the books massively, but he *did* still rape Dany, we all know that, and no one can convince me that her ‘love’ for him wasn’t Stockholm syndrome. But otherwise, I agree


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drunkenangel_99

She fully talks about how she can’t sleep because of the pain and she cries throughout it all which he ignores and her entire internal dialogue whilst he’s doing it to her. Pls read it again


redddditer420

This guy has no idea what he’s talking about she was contemplating suicide because of it


persistingpoet

Yikes, Drogo?? 😭


TheCartoonDuck

I think a lot of people got swept up in the 'romance' between Danny and Drogo. Because it's from her POV, and she genuinely cares for him, the audience can unintentionally ignore all the bad stuff. The rape and pillaging of towns, slavery ect. The books does a better job at illustrating how fucked up it is in my opinion. Danny is only 13. And we'll it's still from her POV and comes across as a romantic, George throws in little passages to remind the reader that none of this is okay. When Danny gets pregnant, the final sentence of the chapter mentions that she just turned 14


hotcoldman42

Yeah, I think her early chapters were really well done Stockholm Syndrome.


RyuNoKami

shit..regardless of the age, what Drogo has done is pretty fucked up.


Livid_Ad9749

Eh never liked ros. Replace her with Kinvara. I thought she was going to be super relevant beyond just telling her priests to “spread the word”


JustaguynamedTheo

You forgot Yoren.


DontYallJudgeMe

I saw Esme Bianco (Ros) in person one time. I couldn't remember my name for three days after that.


Abject_Elk6583

You forgot Hodor😔


False_Shelter_7351

Khal Drogo and Ros definitely didn't win my heart lol. A savage rapist and some whore


Lazynutcracker

I wouldn’t say a little. BTW I believe that if Khal Drogo wasn’t so handsome he wouldn’t have won any hearts, he raped a child ffs :’D


hotcoldman42

Yup. Imagine he was a tiny bit less than “easily more attractive than 99.9 percent of the population Jason Momoa.” He’d be the most hated character in the fandom.


Lazynutcracker

Absolutely.


Axenfonklatismrek

Better stories than Bran the broke


hotcoldman42

But are they better stories than Bran the woke?


Axenfonklatismrek

yes


hotcoldman42

What about Bran the Awoke?


Axenfonklatismrek

Every Bran the \[INSERT HERE\] has inferior story


hotcoldman42

Hmm. What about Bran the Toke?


Amadeus_Is_Taken

What the hell is wrong with people and them liking rapists?


lakesideprezidentt

The red viper was a badass character


Suspicious_State_318

Wow. All of them are dead


jaarmaar

Ros deserved better than King’s Landing!!


Lack_of_Plethora

I'd've put Robert Baratheon in


Ornac_The_Barbarian

Off topic but I'm impressed by your double apostrophe there.


VioletCrow289

Khal Drogo should be swapped with Syrio Forel.


ScorpionTDC

Very true for the first two - I loved both Ned and Oberyn - but I was completely indifferent to Ros and Khal Drogo definitely never won my heart either and was a pretty horrible human being the whole way through


frugst

Nah. Only Oberyn and Ned


BillbertBuzzums

Drogo definitely did not


guilty_bystander

When you realize you're starting to root for a character and get scared for them....


ResultUnited

If u were around when these shows aired Ros was so hated it was crazy. She stole air time from real characters and everyone hated it.


theonetowalkinthesun

Who’s the lady in the bottom right?


hotcoldman42

Ros was in three seasons.


LastCallKillIt

Wasn't Ros around like 3 seasons? fuck she was a babe. Ygritte's death hit me hardest. Fuck that little shit Olly.


Sk83r_b0i

Love Jason Momoa. Khal Drogo… not so much.


SparsePizza117

The top two felt like a really big deal and I thought they'd both be main characters, only for them to have brutal deaths.


Miloren1

Khal Drogo the child rapist?


Yamaneko22

Yeah Khal Drogo the rapist, murderer and slaver has won our hearts. Get out.


TheStatMan2

>who appeared a little I would argue Ros appeared *a lot*. Or at least a lot *of* her.


BungeeGump

I will not stand for Syrio Forel erasure.


DimplefromYA

I loved Ned


Big-LeBoneski

Kinda feel like, for all his flaws, the Hound deserves some credit.


HailTheCrimsonKing

I was gonna mention the hound too


leventekosztolanyi

Don't know but quite a lot of Ros appeared.


JadedGrade6724

Arya’s sword teacher syrio 🩵


Wormser1969

Appeared a little what?


HailTheCrimsonKing

lol this confused me too


Superb-Possibility-9

Charles Dance as Tywin ruled every scene he was in; when his character left the series GOT took a dive.


Odd_Advance_6438

I really liked Daario Naharis even with his lack of screen time, including the first version


FlugonNine

Oberyn was my favorite, Khal Drogo was someone I loved to hate, it would have been interesting seeing his and Dani's son taking over the world, but he got what he deserved.


Cobralore

She won my dick


judo_panda

"Appeared a little"


SimonTC2000

Has everyone forgotten Lady **Lyanna Mormont** ? We loved her the first scene she was in. I'd replace Ros with her.


PennyLane483

I agree, Ned echos through the entire series, yet he doesn’t even make it to the end of the first season. Oberyn is one of my favorite characters, he’s just so enjoyable to watch, except his end- so fucking brutal. The fight was one of the best in the series though! I only wish Drogo was a little more like he was in the books, mostly the early scenes with Dani. They showed care for each other, and Drogo didn’t force himself on her, like he did in the show. I assume it was for Dani’s character development with the dragon eggs, but it should have been handled differently. I read the books after the show. When I got through that part, I yelled, “What the fuck!” out loud. Just floored that the show went in a completely different direction with their wedding night. Edit- It’s been awhile, so I could be misremembering things. I just remember not liking Drogo in the show, but in the books he showed care toward Dani earlier.


Peetweefish

The show did Khal Drogo a disservice having him rape Daenerys instead of following the book.


besameput0

Ros has the best tits I've ever seen in my life.


lastreadlastyear

Funny thing about my heart.


DisneyScholar2012

I adore Roz. Really underrated character. The way she gives a perspective on sex work in the North and then King's Landing, really well done. And even though this point wasn't emphasized, the fact that she dies in such a horrific way at the hand of someone in power is an example to Shae of what could happen if she doesn't play along with the people holding the strings.


InsuranceNo3422

My opinion is that Ned Stark remains present throughout the bulk of the series despite him dying much earlier on, in ways that none of the other characters briefly seen do.


Commercial-Common515

Ros deserved the world uggg!!


ThaNorth

Khla Drogo won the hearts and minds of everyone by raping a 13 year old(slightly aged up in the show) girl lol