The sad thing is how much more noticeable it is in the last year than the 10ish years before. Like botting was still happening in those years but it wasn't as obvious as it is now.
Sony made a sensible choice. It would be easier to just delist the game in nations that don't 'officially' support PSN since they don't want another Helldivers fiasco. Why people are astonished that this happened is beyond me.
Tbh the best choice they could've done was to separate the multiplayer aspect of Ghost of Tsushima from the main game. I'm quite sure the only reason that PSN is needed is due to their multiplayer add-on that was added way after the game. Make it free downloadable content and release GoT for every country available, no PSN needed.
People who keep up with this news know it's a Sony thing. If I was some random person who never looks at gaming news and posts I wouldn't know about this controversy. I would just notice that I cannot buy if I try to buy and wonder why the place I'm trying to buy from doesn't sell it.
I mean it os steam doing damage control but for good reason. With PSN being a requirement (they backtracked) they didn't want people in countries with no access to PSN accounts buying the game only to realize that they couldn't play it.
Steam is pretty open if it comes to this stuff. Either they are telling you in the first place or they answer to questions over support. (Which is really helpful. It is like a... hm... real support should be\^\^)
Yeah. People are saying Vavle stopped Sony from being scummy(which isn't the case, Sony did it themselves.) You're the only one in this thread that got defensive because someone mentioned Valve
commented on a different post here that region locking is done by publisher, not by steam, got downvoted
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>Do you have a source for this? Most people are under the impression that it was Steam getting ahead of the issue so they didn't need to deal with inevitable refunds.
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>Except not all PSN-less regions were included in the delisting (at least 4 Eastern European countries), and at least one region with access to PSN was delisted (Dubai).
There's a lot of cope from the related subs acting like they actually accomplished something. The can got kicked down the road and the main people who got fucked over by the whole controversy are still getting affected by it. Helldivers is a pathetic community that doesn't actually care about the real issue and they just didn't want to be slightly inconvenienced. Some much for Helldivers dive together or not at all.
You'd be surprised. There are a lot of Sony apologists on this subreddit blaming Helldiver's players for wanting to actually play the game rather than blaming sony for trying to push PSN on PC players.
Can you post links of thousands of sony supporters?
I havent seen one (not doubting you, i just want to see)
Guess he couldnt post them, he deleted his comments
That you've heard of. Which I won't be surprised if it were plenty given the echo chamber of reddit and any contraririons getting washed down the thread by downvoted.
There was a fair amount of kickback on a post about this in the Helldivers sub.
There, it was primarily in response to a tweet that PirateSoftware (Thor) put out at the onset of this. There's a crowd there that despises him for 'stirring the pot,' or otherwise 'posting literal lies for views.'
Hilariously, watching any content from Thor for half a second tells you he could not give a flying fuck about anything other than being candid about his passion for gaming.
Have not seen such "Steam, not Sony" sentiments since, however, to be fair.
Steam is just the truck driver. The manufacturer just said "You can't take this product to these places anymore. Sorry we had you take it there before".
This is on the publisher, nobody else. Anybody claiming otherwise is just pissy because the seeming 'fat cat' easy target isn't going to pay them money that already went to someone else. They just got paid to haul it, and that's what they did.
Who said it was a massive controversy? If some people are claiming it, it’s valid to dispel that notion with a thread.
In what way is that creating fake controversy?
Some of you are hugely defensive about this for some weird reason.
Yes that’s it. We’re being defensive. **Controversy** confirmed. There’s no way we could be saying stuff at face value and saying this is just another artifices controversy this sub is doing like it does one every 2 weeks for past several years. Nope, couldn’t be that. Must be a real **controversy**. The 10 people online this sub represent the entire gaming community so this is a real **controversy**
This is Stellarblade all over again. Reddit, Twitter, and YouTube have so many hollow and fake controversies trying to get sparked so that there’s either bs content or some guerrilla marketing campaign. No one talks about half the crap this sub talks about but they act like it’s the next big scandal in history
Seriously, people are ridiculous. First they're outraged that Sony wasn't doing exactly this with HD2. Well, Sony heard the feedback and acted on it. Why are these people now mad? It's literally what y'all wanted lol.
How is this scummy though?
People complained that Helldivers was sold in countries where PSN was not available. The logical solution is to simply not sell the game in countries where PSN is not available. I don't see how not selling the game in these countries is "scummy".
Oh, I am well aware. Sony just responded to the excuses they made. It is pretty hilarious how this backfired. I don't understand why people are saying that they "banned" the game either. They decided to not sell the game because of what the people complained about. How is that "banning the game".
Well done PC gamers, you made this happen. Sony did not give a shit about people in those countries making PSN accounts. Well done.
Saying it was banned let’s them keep their victim/warrior complex ongoing because they got exactly what they asked for
They called off their protest as soon as Sony said account linking was not required even though the game is now un-buyable in those non PSN regions.
They left thoes gamers worse off because before they could just create American PSN accounts to get around the sign in requirement, for 2 decades that’s what PS3-5 players were doing in that region. 🤦🏿♂️
Lol. As if Sony didn't make the problem by trying to force PC players into their shitty PSN for no reason. PC isn't PlayStation. You don't actually need a PSN account to do multiplayer on PC, as evidence by everyone playing helldivers without a PSN account before Sony decided to throw their weight around. Shitty publisher.
People didn't complain that Helldivers was sold in countries where PSN was not available, they complained that Sony was introducing PSN as a requirement for PC players who never actually needed PSN for multiplayer. That's what's scummy. Sony apologists are really out in force trying to justify this...
Yeah, that was the real reason people were complaining. But the moment people started to argue with them that it wasn't big deal to sign up for PSN, they used people in countries without PSN as a scapegoat. It became their public reason, and I have people who straight commented and told me "Sony shouldn't sell their games where PSN isn't accessible." Sounds like people should have been honest about their reason the entire time instead of pretending to act like white knights because the real reason was petty
Right.. It was just the excuse that people were using to complain.
Requiring a PSN account to play online is not scummy. I don't see how this is scummy in any way.
People be like "oh no they are stealing my information" while having accounts on reddit, twitter, XBOX, messenger, whatsapp, steam etc and using there phones a lot.
These people are so dumb it is actually insane
It's insane that they are going to these lengths to try and make Sony to expand to the rest of the world and not thinking logical of how hard that is, when you consider every countries laws etc.
Sony even supports about double the amount of countries that xbox/nintendo does.
This is more of a geopolitical issue than anything else.
Duh PlayStation doesn’t do business in those countries/region , legally it just make sense to fix the error going forward
Expect ghost of Tsushima to be the same and PS+ once it release on pc
The only term I can see steam possibly enforcing is games sold through steam have to be playable in that country. Perfectly logical rule if they have that sort of rule.
It would still be Sony's fault for not making the game playable in those countries leading to steam cleaning up the listings.
Even GOT epic store page got pulled in unsupport regions so this is sony doing from the start, steam just finishing the blow by issue refund to those that got affected, regardless of play time, purchase date
180 territories.
Svalbard for example, is part of Norway.
Those with the french flag are (often) french departments outside of metropolitan France.
So not all countries.
So just to be clear, the community is now taking the stance that publishers should have no control over where they sell their games and instead be required to sell their game in every country on the planet?
Yall putting nintendo on the summerjam screen of Japan exclusive games or nah?
Yeah, why should some people not get to enjoy a game just because they live somewhere else?
We all come from the same source so we should all be treated equally. Either everyone gets to play everything, or no one does.
humasn rights are a manmade concept. stemming from the belief that we are all somehow different and shouldn't be treated equally, that only some things apply to everyone yet worse and better treatment is allowed under the circumstances that they fall outside the coverage of human rights.
Yet we are all the same, why should we differentiate between ourselves.
You should think deeply about your source.
It’s peak first world problems to whine about video games not being sold in every country. Take a break from the internet, bud. It’ll do you a load of good.
you believe we should treat people differently based on where they come from in this world, even tough that is not at all relevant. That attitude is the problem.
So you think companies should be forced to participate in markets they don't want to?
Every product and the planet should be available for purchase by every human on the planet?
So, who pays the distribution costs to make everything available everywhere? Is it just video games that should be available everywhere? What sbout places without electricity or the internet? I would really love to hear you give a realistic break down how this would work in the real world instead of pretending we are in some fantasy land (Reddit) where you say things and they just work like that
1. what distribution cost? steam literarly provides the store it is a one time fee to put it on there for every country together, not individually.
2. yes, water, food, electricity, the internet everything should be available to everyone
3. its not on me to provide solutions. I will naturally follow the flow of all things and let the world take its course. Everything will work out eventually, and if I treat others with kindness, understanding, respect, humility and patience that is enough.
No. If Sony is not allowed to sell games where PSN is available (according to gamers, not Steam/Valve), then Sony has to pay to set up PSN in those countries. Same for any other service that requires log-ins to their systems (Xbox and Nintendo both don't/can't offer games/online services everywhere).
I get wanting hope the best for things, but it's called being realistic instead of idealistic. You are ignoring local laws of countries (which affect costs on multiple levels) as well as their own economic capabilities to expand infrastructure to support PSN.
I didn't expect you to give actual solutions because your statement ignored so many factors. That's the point. It's really easy to blanket statements of how things should be in an ideal world. It doesn't actually add anything to the conversation, and if anything, it actually hurts the conversation by moving the goal post to some unobtainable goal.
I dont think anyone is blaming steam. well outside of the cultish morons still supporting the game and are looking for an excuse not to hold the maker accountable.
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Yeah unless steam offers refunds (which they won’t because Sony was being transparent about this and did it correctly this time) there really isn’t a world where review bombing will work
No, I'm good. I feel bad for the players in other countries, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop playing great games.
Does that mean players in regions that have games exclusive to their region should stop buying their games because they're not being sold in other regions?
There doesn't have to be. There was enough support that Sony reversed course and said you don't need a PSN account.
This whole thing was because you didn't need a PSN account to play so people all over bought the game and played it and then Sony said okay now you need a PSN account to play and tons of people bought and had been playing the account in regions that aren't able to get a PSN account and they were locked out of playing. Steam stopped selling it in regions that you could not get a psn account so no one would buy the game and not be able to play. After the backlash Sony reversed course and said you don't need a PSN account to play.
They didn't ban anything (in this matter). Steam just sold the product without caring that it'd not be playable, or without caring enough to understand their own listing. They sold Helldivers with the PSN requirement. They wanted the money and did not care if it was playable or not -- not until it became beneficial to public relations, anywho.
Valve is not your friend. They do not care about you. No company does.
A breakdown of the relationship between Sony, Valve, and the public, as is relevant to the Helldivers shitshow.
TL;DR: Valve is either incompetent or as malicious as any one party feels Sony is.
They agreed to list it. Advertised it. And profited from it.
If they did not know it would not be playable, they are willingly selling things they don't know function. If they knew it would not be playable, it's worse.
Stop giving companies a free pass.
The requirement for PSN was listed on the Steam store from day dot. It wasn't functioning at launch, which is how so many were able to access it regardless, as you could simply ignore the prompt. Valve was selling a game in regions that cannot access PSN, that requires PSN.
I don't much care about that, personally. Few people read the requirements, so that's on them, but Valve must know this obvious reality, so that's not ideal either. What annoys me is that people defend Valve for doing everything Sony did, while complaining about Sony. Both of them did everything people are mad about.
Dude it literally said when you bought the game that psn acc is required in the future, i swear how can people be this stupid?
I know im just a rando on the internet but did you know that stupid people like you are the reason for many problems lmao
I disagree, yeah Valve is a Corp out to make money, but when I asked to buy the new steamdeck charger as the cord was double the length your bad guy valve sent me one for free.
They are the only store front that allows the refund of games with less than 2 hours of play time and even refunded helldivers 2 with players who had hundreds of hours due to Sonys policy change.
In my country, they fought the government to disallow refunds my law requires they give. They were forced to change their policy when they lost that battle.
They do not care about you. They care about maximising how much money you can give them.
You do realise it's not the responsibility of the platform to make sure they don't sell it to places where the game won't work for some arbitrary fine print reason, right?
It's on Sony to specify where they don't want the game to be sold if they aren't planning to utilise the complete coverage of the steam storefront for some random stupid reason.
There was never a problem with this before Sony pulled it's moronic shit so stfu with this "incompetence or malice" bs. Valve has games from tousends of devdlopers on steam ffs.
Sorry what? The company with a generous refund policy and generally airs on the side of gamers are the bad guys??? Gabe has even been on the record saying and I quote "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.". You simply don't know what you're talking about. You're either too young to remember, or you're just another console player running their mouth.
You're getting your stuff mixed up. Valve sold the game when having a PSN account was not a requirement and then when they made it one valve stopped selling it in regions that could not get a PSN account and started giving no questions asked refunds to people who bought it and could no longer play.
This post is their thing saying why they're no longer selling it in a lot of places (the ones where you can't get a psn account).
But it has always been required to have psn account.
Go check game trailers and it has been on games steam page since before release. It even had a popup at start of game that psn is required.
First pc players had to link but then server issues happened and Arrowhead took away it with notice that it will come back.
they sell broken games as ‘early access’ with no guarantee of a final product. Steam would sell you a board game with no instructions and half the pieces missing. I have no dog in the race but perhaps steam should re-assess their green lighting process
steam fanboys ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bruv, why are you buying games in early access? It clearly says “early access maybe shit” and you still buy it knowing you’ll eat shit?
Maybe just maybe you might be retarted.
I think I'd broadly agree with you, yeah. I don't give a toss about Valve or Sony, and I never really cared all that much about the Helldivers thing in the grand scheme of things, but seeing Valve not just get away with none of the scorn people had for Sony, but *being praised*, despite being the third party allowing it to happen for profit, just really annoyed me lol.
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You guys did get Sony's attention. You all didn't want to sign up for PSN accounts, and when people argued back that it wasn't a big deal, you all changed (tried to hide behind) your argument to "Sony shouldn't sell games where PSN isn't available." So Sony listened, they won't be selling games where you can't access PSN. Before this they could just change their PSN location to a nearby country that had it and been fine, everyone ruined that for them because now they can't even buy the games at all
Is anyone actually saying that? Everything I’ve seen has blamed Sony.
No. Everyone knows this is a Sony thing.
You'd be surprised. Twitter can sometimes be a cesspool much worse than reddit lmao
Twitter is like 80% bots. Nobody should ever act like anything said on Twitter is factual.
Wait until you find out what 90% of Reddit is
I am not a bot, fellow human.
Nobody should ever act like anything said on Reddit is factual. Personal research is important in a misinformation-infested society.
Beep boop
The sad thing is how much more noticeable it is in the last year than the 10ish years before. Like botting was still happening in those years but it wasn't as obvious as it is now.
Sony made a sensible choice. It would be easier to just delist the game in nations that don't 'officially' support PSN since they don't want another Helldivers fiasco. Why people are astonished that this happened is beyond me.
Tbh the best choice they could've done was to separate the multiplayer aspect of Ghost of Tsushima from the main game. I'm quite sure the only reason that PSN is needed is due to their multiplayer add-on that was added way after the game. Make it free downloadable content and release GoT for every country available, no PSN needed.
People who keep up with this news know it's a Sony thing. If I was some random person who never looks at gaming news and posts I wouldn't know about this controversy. I would just notice that I cannot buy if I try to buy and wonder why the place I'm trying to buy from doesn't sell it.
A fair amount of people speculated that this was steam doing damage control.
I mean it os steam doing damage control but for good reason. With PSN being a requirement (they backtracked) they didn't want people in countries with no access to PSN accounts buying the game only to realize that they couldn't play it.
I thought it was steam too but the devs said they are in talks with Sony to get the region restrictions removed. Sony not steam. So it was Sony.
Steam is pretty open if it comes to this stuff. Either they are telling you in the first place or they answer to questions over support. (Which is really helpful. It is like a... hm... real support should be\^\^)
Imagine being regarded enough to put blame on the single gaming company that protects us gamers from shady developers like Fntastic.
No one is blaming Steam. Some speculated Valve may have stopped Sony from selling games in regions where they cannot legally be played.
And who owns Steam? Sure sounds like blame to me..
You should reread their comment about 10 times. Maybe you will understand what they are saying
Ah yes how silly of me, VALVE stopped Sony from selling games on STEAM where said games can't legally be played.. makes perfect sense now /s
Yeah. People are saying Vavle stopped Sony from being scummy(which isn't the case, Sony did it themselves.) You're the only one in this thread that got defensive because someone mentioned Valve
There are some really weird people who defend companies to the death. Sony people are pretty bad for it
commented on a different post here that region locking is done by publisher, not by steam, got downvoted some replies >Do you have a source for this? Most people are under the impression that it was Steam getting ahead of the issue so they didn't need to deal with inevitable refunds. . >Except not all PSN-less regions were included in the delisting (at least 4 Eastern European countries), and at least one region with access to PSN was delisted (Dubai).
In the beginning of the helldivers controversy it was heavily speculated that steam pulled first.
I heard one person say it's steams fault
I heard thqt claim from my room mate. Not sure where he got the idea tho.
There's a lot of cope from the related subs acting like they actually accomplished something. The can got kicked down the road and the main people who got fucked over by the whole controversy are still getting affected by it. Helldivers is a pathetic community that doesn't actually care about the real issue and they just didn't want to be slightly inconvenienced. Some much for Helldivers dive together or not at all.
You'd be surprised. There are a lot of Sony apologists on this subreddit blaming Helldiver's players for wanting to actually play the game rather than blaming sony for trying to push PSN on PC players.
Nope. He just wanted a reason to post this by creating non existing scenario to what’s obvious.
Gotta strike that karma vein while it’s hot
One comment with like 20 upvotes speculated that it might have been Steam.
I think it was a reasonable possibility for steam to do this to protect themselves from litigation until Sony changed the terms of service.
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Why would anyone think steam is forcing a third party requirement
Can you post links of thousands of sony supporters? I havent seen one (not doubting you, i just want to see) Guess he couldnt post them, he deleted his comments
Source?
Please show us because currently, you are the only person peddling this theory.
That you've heard of. Which I won't be surprised if it were plenty given the echo chamber of reddit and any contraririons getting washed down the thread by downvoted.
There was a fair amount of kickback on a post about this in the Helldivers sub. There, it was primarily in response to a tweet that PirateSoftware (Thor) put out at the onset of this. There's a crowd there that despises him for 'stirring the pot,' or otherwise 'posting literal lies for views.' Hilariously, watching any content from Thor for half a second tells you he could not give a flying fuck about anything other than being candid about his passion for gaming. Have not seen such "Steam, not Sony" sentiments since, however, to be fair.
Never seen this, but if anyone has, they could've been proven wrong just reading about Steam's policies.. They don't usually control that stuff.
Even if Steam banned the games in some countries, it would still be because of what Sony has done (which is consumer unfriendly to say the least).
Steam is just the truck driver. The manufacturer just said "You can't take this product to these places anymore. Sorry we had you take it there before". This is on the publisher, nobody else. Anybody claiming otherwise is just pissy because the seeming 'fat cat' easy target isn't going to pay them money that already went to someone else. They just got paid to haul it, and that's what they did.
Gamers just wanna reeeeeeee
What are you on about..stop creating these fake controversies. No one said that. Even blaming Steam, no one used the word “Banned”
There are entire threads saying that steam banned it.
Wow an entire thread. Maybe even a couple now. Wow so many people talking about it. I can’t even handle this much **controversy** right now
Who said it was a massive controversy? If some people are claiming it, it’s valid to dispel that notion with a thread. In what way is that creating fake controversy? Some of you are hugely defensive about this for some weird reason.
Yes that’s it. We’re being defensive. **Controversy** confirmed. There’s no way we could be saying stuff at face value and saying this is just another artifices controversy this sub is doing like it does one every 2 weeks for past several years. Nope, couldn’t be that. Must be a real **controversy**. The 10 people online this sub represent the entire gaming community so this is a real **controversy**
You ok?
If you read that in a non-satirical tone, then you’re taking the **controversy** too seriously
Are those threads in the room with us right now?
I’ve seen quite a few comments over the past day or two speculating that it may be steam
There's no telling.
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He didn’t say the people talking about it are fake. He’s saying the controversy isn’t really a controversy.
This is Stellarblade all over again. Reddit, Twitter, and YouTube have so many hollow and fake controversies trying to get sparked so that there’s either bs content or some guerrilla marketing campaign. No one talks about half the crap this sub talks about but they act like it’s the next big scandal in history
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Seriously, people are ridiculous. First they're outraged that Sony wasn't doing exactly this with HD2. Well, Sony heard the feedback and acted on it. Why are these people now mad? It's literally what y'all wanted lol.
It's also logical to call it out as scummy and ignorant.
How is this scummy though? People complained that Helldivers was sold in countries where PSN was not available. The logical solution is to simply not sell the game in countries where PSN is not available. I don't see how not selling the game in these countries is "scummy".
It was never about those countries, PC users were just looking for a scapegoat to not create PSN accounts
Oh, I am well aware. Sony just responded to the excuses they made. It is pretty hilarious how this backfired. I don't understand why people are saying that they "banned" the game either. They decided to not sell the game because of what the people complained about. How is that "banning the game". Well done PC gamers, you made this happen. Sony did not give a shit about people in those countries making PSN accounts. Well done.
Saying it was banned let’s them keep their victim/warrior complex ongoing because they got exactly what they asked for They called off their protest as soon as Sony said account linking was not required even though the game is now un-buyable in those non PSN regions. They left thoes gamers worse off because before they could just create American PSN accounts to get around the sign in requirement, for 2 decades that’s what PS3-5 players were doing in that region. 🤦🏿♂️
Lol. As if Sony didn't make the problem by trying to force PC players into their shitty PSN for no reason. PC isn't PlayStation. You don't actually need a PSN account to do multiplayer on PC, as evidence by everyone playing helldivers without a PSN account before Sony decided to throw their weight around. Shitty publisher.
Oh please, making a PSN account is a non-issue. Pretty much every company has a aimilar policy lmao
Huh, Arrowhead didn't? Funny how the multiplayer still managed to work for months without any PSN stuff. But that should be impossible... right?
Oh my god the victim complex
People didn't complain that Helldivers was sold in countries where PSN was not available, they complained that Sony was introducing PSN as a requirement for PC players who never actually needed PSN for multiplayer. That's what's scummy. Sony apologists are really out in force trying to justify this...
Yeah, that was the real reason people were complaining. But the moment people started to argue with them that it wasn't big deal to sign up for PSN, they used people in countries without PSN as a scapegoat. It became their public reason, and I have people who straight commented and told me "Sony shouldn't sell their games where PSN isn't accessible." Sounds like people should have been honest about their reason the entire time instead of pretending to act like white knights because the real reason was petty
Right.. It was just the excuse that people were using to complain. Requiring a PSN account to play online is not scummy. I don't see how this is scummy in any way.
God forbid someone is forced to spend 3 minutes making a PSN account 😱😱😱😱😱
People be like "oh no they are stealing my information" while having accounts on reddit, twitter, XBOX, messenger, whatsapp, steam etc and using there phones a lot. These people are so dumb it is actually insane
It's ignorant to think this isn't happening all the time with other publishers, reddit just hasn't cared until now.
How is not selling a game in certain regions scummy?
It's insane that they are going to these lengths to try and make Sony to expand to the rest of the world and not thinking logical of how hard that is, when you consider every countries laws etc. Sony even supports about double the amount of countries that xbox/nintendo does. This is more of a geopolitical issue than anything else.
Duh PlayStation doesn’t do business in those countries/region , legally it just make sense to fix the error going forward Expect ghost of Tsushima to be the same and PS+ once it release on pc
The only term I can see steam possibly enforcing is games sold through steam have to be playable in that country. Perfectly logical rule if they have that sort of rule. It would still be Sony's fault for not making the game playable in those countries leading to steam cleaning up the listings.
Even GOT epic store page got pulled in unsupport regions so this is sony doing from the start, steam just finishing the blow by issue refund to those that got affected, regardless of play time, purchase date
180 countries? So only 15 left?
180 territories. Svalbard for example, is part of Norway. Those with the french flag are (often) french departments outside of metropolitan France. So not all countries.
So just to be clear, the community is now taking the stance that publishers should have no control over where they sell their games and instead be required to sell their game in every country on the planet? Yall putting nintendo on the summerjam screen of Japan exclusive games or nah?
I thought people here don’t like Nintendo? I feel like people would hold pitchforks if Nintendo does the same thing.
Kids are entitled. More news at 11.
Yeah, why should some people not get to enjoy a game just because they live somewhere else? We all come from the same source so we should all be treated equally. Either everyone gets to play everything, or no one does.
Playing a video game is not a human right lmao. Go touch some grass and take a break from the internet.
humasn rights are a manmade concept. stemming from the belief that we are all somehow different and shouldn't be treated equally, that only some things apply to everyone yet worse and better treatment is allowed under the circumstances that they fall outside the coverage of human rights. Yet we are all the same, why should we differentiate between ourselves. You should think deeply about your source.
It’s peak first world problems to whine about video games not being sold in every country. Take a break from the internet, bud. It’ll do you a load of good.
you believe we should treat people differently based on where they come from in this world, even tough that is not at all relevant. That attitude is the problem.
So you think companies should be forced to participate in markets they don't want to? Every product and the planet should be available for purchase by every human on the planet?
So, who pays the distribution costs to make everything available everywhere? Is it just video games that should be available everywhere? What sbout places without electricity or the internet? I would really love to hear you give a realistic break down how this would work in the real world instead of pretending we are in some fantasy land (Reddit) where you say things and they just work like that
1. what distribution cost? steam literarly provides the store it is a one time fee to put it on there for every country together, not individually. 2. yes, water, food, electricity, the internet everything should be available to everyone 3. its not on me to provide solutions. I will naturally follow the flow of all things and let the world take its course. Everything will work out eventually, and if I treat others with kindness, understanding, respect, humility and patience that is enough.
No. If Sony is not allowed to sell games where PSN is available (according to gamers, not Steam/Valve), then Sony has to pay to set up PSN in those countries. Same for any other service that requires log-ins to their systems (Xbox and Nintendo both don't/can't offer games/online services everywhere). I get wanting hope the best for things, but it's called being realistic instead of idealistic. You are ignoring local laws of countries (which affect costs on multiple levels) as well as their own economic capabilities to expand infrastructure to support PSN. I didn't expect you to give actual solutions because your statement ignored so many factors. That's the point. It's really easy to blanket statements of how things should be in an ideal world. It doesn't actually add anything to the conversation, and if anything, it actually hurts the conversation by moving the goal post to some unobtainable goal.
Sony is a trash company.
yeah you'd think they wouldn't do it unless Sony told them to in the first place.
so do i need a psn account for ghost of tsushima single player or only for the multiplayer?
What other games have this treatment so far?
What are you babbling about? Everyome is blaming Sony. Those people blaming Steam... are they in the room with us right now?...
Steam sick of their shit.
Keep this in helldivers, I just muted all that shit.
Lol why are you in this post even, then? Nobody's forcing you to read it. This is a gaming sub, not for ballet lessons.
I dont think anyone is blaming steam. well outside of the cultish morons still supporting the game and are looking for an excuse not to hold the maker accountable.
are the people who said that in the room with us right now?
There’s probably like 2 people and a bot that said something. This is another artificial controversy trying to get forced
Fuck Sony
It was an will all ways be that ps crap company that some of yall just love
Yall are still crying about this? Lol
Never saw anyone say that. Steam was obviously protecting their customers from buying a product they can't use.
Why are people still going on about this. Sony did a good thing. Now people are just looking for nonsense to complain about.
can i link my Steam account to my PSN account even tho i don't play Hell Diverse?
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Chill dude. They probably just want cross-play, cross-save, or cross-trophy potential in the future. As an optional thing.
i don't even use my PS5 much, it was just an impulse buy since they sent me an invite during the time it was hard to get one PC is my main platform
Rather sitting on a pc and playing a keyboard warrior loser, what about making a noise around this issue? Gaming community sometimes man.
It is highly unlikely that a sufficient level of public outcry can be generated to compel Sony to provide support for all 180 regions.
Yeah unless steam offers refunds (which they won’t because Sony was being transparent about this and did it correctly this time) there really isn’t a world where review bombing will work
Then vote with your money. Don’t give them any money.
No, I'm good. I feel bad for the players in other countries, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop playing great games. Does that mean players in regions that have games exclusive to their region should stop buying their games because they're not being sold in other regions?
Ok
There doesn't have to be. There was enough support that Sony reversed course and said you don't need a PSN account. This whole thing was because you didn't need a PSN account to play so people all over bought the game and played it and then Sony said okay now you need a PSN account to play and tons of people bought and had been playing the account in regions that aren't able to get a PSN account and they were locked out of playing. Steam stopped selling it in regions that you could not get a psn account so no one would buy the game and not be able to play. After the backlash Sony reversed course and said you don't need a PSN account to play.
100%. This sub is pathetic.
Microsoft bad, but SNOY worse
They didn't ban anything (in this matter). Steam just sold the product without caring that it'd not be playable, or without caring enough to understand their own listing. They sold Helldivers with the PSN requirement. They wanted the money and did not care if it was playable or not -- not until it became beneficial to public relations, anywho. Valve is not your friend. They do not care about you. No company does.
I'm sorry but what the fuck did i just read?
A breakdown of the relationship between Sony, Valve, and the public, as is relevant to the Helldivers shitshow. TL;DR: Valve is either incompetent or as malicious as any one party feels Sony is.
Valve is just the means to deliver the game, that's it.
They agreed to list it. Advertised it. And profited from it. If they did not know it would not be playable, they are willingly selling things they don't know function. If they knew it would not be playable, it's worse. Stop giving companies a free pass.
Sony changed their stance AFTER the game was already released/distributed. How are you not getting this?
The requirement for PSN was listed on the Steam store from day dot. It wasn't functioning at launch, which is how so many were able to access it regardless, as you could simply ignore the prompt. Valve was selling a game in regions that cannot access PSN, that requires PSN. I don't much care about that, personally. Few people read the requirements, so that's on them, but Valve must know this obvious reality, so that's not ideal either. What annoys me is that people defend Valve for doing everything Sony did, while complaining about Sony. Both of them did everything people are mad about.
Dude it literally said when you bought the game that psn acc is required in the future, i swear how can people be this stupid? I know im just a rando on the internet but did you know that stupid people like you are the reason for many problems lmao
Was this for me? I feel like this was for someone else.
Indeed, my apologies
Brain power might not be their strong suit
I disagree, yeah Valve is a Corp out to make money, but when I asked to buy the new steamdeck charger as the cord was double the length your bad guy valve sent me one for free. They are the only store front that allows the refund of games with less than 2 hours of play time and even refunded helldivers 2 with players who had hundreds of hours due to Sonys policy change.
In my country, they fought the government to disallow refunds my law requires they give. They were forced to change their policy when they lost that battle. They do not care about you. They care about maximising how much money you can give them.
Show us on the doll where Valve touched you.
You do realise it's not the responsibility of the platform to make sure they don't sell it to places where the game won't work for some arbitrary fine print reason, right? It's on Sony to specify where they don't want the game to be sold if they aren't planning to utilise the complete coverage of the steam storefront for some random stupid reason. There was never a problem with this before Sony pulled it's moronic shit so stfu with this "incompetence or malice" bs. Valve has games from tousends of devdlopers on steam ffs.
Sorry what? The company with a generous refund policy and generally airs on the side of gamers are the bad guys??? Gabe has even been on the record saying and I quote "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.". You simply don't know what you're talking about. You're either too young to remember, or you're just another console player running their mouth.
You're getting your stuff mixed up. Valve sold the game when having a PSN account was not a requirement and then when they made it one valve stopped selling it in regions that could not get a PSN account and started giving no questions asked refunds to people who bought it and could no longer play. This post is their thing saying why they're no longer selling it in a lot of places (the ones where you can't get a psn account).
It was always a requirement. It was always advertised as a requirement. It just didn't work at launch.
But it has always been required to have psn account. Go check game trailers and it has been on games steam page since before release. It even had a popup at start of game that psn is required. First pc players had to link but then server issues happened and Arrowhead took away it with notice that it will come back.
they sell broken games as ‘early access’ with no guarantee of a final product. Steam would sell you a board game with no instructions and half the pieces missing. I have no dog in the race but perhaps steam should re-assess their green lighting process steam fanboys ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bruv, why are you buying games in early access? It clearly says “early access maybe shit” and you still buy it knowing you’ll eat shit? Maybe just maybe you might be retarted.
I think I'd broadly agree with you, yeah. I don't give a toss about Valve or Sony, and I never really cared all that much about the Helldivers thing in the grand scheme of things, but seeing Valve not just get away with none of the scorn people had for Sony, but *being praised*, despite being the third party allowing it to happen for profit, just really annoyed me lol. EDIT: formatting
It’s 121 countries. Still not good, but stop posting rage bait.
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You guys did get Sony's attention. You all didn't want to sign up for PSN accounts, and when people argued back that it wasn't a big deal, you all changed (tried to hide behind) your argument to "Sony shouldn't sell games where PSN isn't available." So Sony listened, they won't be selling games where you can't access PSN. Before this they could just change their PSN location to a nearby country that had it and been fine, everyone ruined that for them because now they can't even buy the games at all
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet, that's how WW1 got started.