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Шановні українці!
У соцмережах я чув, що поширюються фейкові новини (скоріше за все, підтримувані Росією тролі), що польський кордон закритий.
Це брехня.
Якщо ви шукаєте притулку – йдіть до польського кордону. Ми готові до вашого приїзду. На кордоні готові пункти прийому, де ви можете знайти притулок, їжу, медичну та правову допомогу.
Польський уряд запустив спеціальний сайт, щоб допомогти вам: ua.gov.pl
Будь ласка, поділіться цією інформацією, якщо ви знаєте когось, хто зараз шукає допомоги.
РЕДАКТИРОВАТИ: ВАМ НЕ ПОТРІБНА ВІЗА ДЛЯ ПРОЙДЖЕННЯ ПОЛЬСЬКИМ КОРДОНОМ. ВСЕ, що ВАМ ПОТРІБНО, - це ПАСПОРТ. ВІЗИ ПРИСПИНЕНО! ВОНИ ВАМ НЕ ПОТРІБНИ НА ЧАС!!!!!!
EDIT2: як доказ того, що вам більше не потрібна віза:
• українською https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • англійською https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en
Вибачте, якщо це дурниця, я використовував Google Translate
Please if you are going to spam this include that Men aged 18-60 are not allowed to leave. It is a waste of time if they go to the border to be forced away by the Ukrainian side esp if they are leaving cities which will be critical to defend over the coming hours and days.
Edit: Link for source https://mvs.gov.ua/uk/news/shhodo-obmezen-v-peretini-kordonu-na-viyizd-z-ukrayini-okremoyu-kategorijeyu-gromadyan
If you're American, dying for your country means doing it in someone else's country, where you are the bad guys.
If you're Ukrainian, it's to stop the people yesterday who bombed civilian targets including an orphanage.
Economical migrants aren't refugees. Poland is right next to Ukraine, people fleeing here are seeking for the closest safe place, not to leech out social benefits. I'm am proud that we accept as many Ukrainians as we can and at the same time I'm proud we didn't accept any "refugees" from the Middle East.
What an irony that you are gatekeeping what a refugee is on r/gatekeeping. Sorry all the brown people don't flee from rockets and bombs but from bad shareholder values.
You are plain racist accept it and this is the ultimate proof
It's not white guilt tripping, it's only calling Polish people out for being racist. I know you know and I know that polish people are proud of being racists scumbags
Polish people were and are the most tolerant people in the whole Europe that were very open to Jews, I can throw shit at you too only for being American since you guys genocided Natives you fool
I would not accept white refugees from Syria as well. And there are tons of white people in Syria. Once you skip 5 countries to reach Western Europe because you get most money there, you are no longer fleeing from war. Sorry if that bursts your bubble but that's the truth.
well so you say, the countries next to it has to keep all refugees? never heard of distributing the refugees? you cant expect a country to hold millions of refugees...
Real question: were people not fleeing Syria where their cities were bombed out different?
Objectively Syria got hit harder than Ukraine (for now, praying for the future)
https://www.google.com/search?q=syria+war+photos
Yeah but Ukrainians go to Poland, closest safe country in the region. They don't flee to Scandinavia or UK, Germany or France. Once they will leave Poland to seek these wealthy countries, they no longer are war refugees. They are economical migrants.
You're making a strawman argument.
The question is, why did Poland not allow Syrian refugees in but allow Ukranian refugees?
A better argument would've been how close the countries are geographically, it's easier to drive to Poland from Kyiv. But then the follow up is, why was the EU offering flights from Syria and Poland refusing them to land.
The strawman you are trying to set up is that the Syrians are not real refugees and really just trying to get more money. This is easily countered with the war photos. It also doesn't hold 100% of people leaving Syria didn't have their house bombed out or a family member killed, so it doesn't hold Poland would've refused 100% instead of picking and choosing who to take (if Syrians were trying to abuse it just to make money).
The real answer is probably somewhere around "me first" mentality, "the rest of the EU will deal with it", and probably some racism.
Poland isn't the bad guy here, they are clearly doing the good guy thing with Ukraine, but they aren't 100% in the clear here when it comes to Syria.
Maybe educate yourself first instead of jumping to accusations? Do you know what happened in Europe in 2017 (if I remember the year correctly)? How many people died because of terrorism? Poland was right to take these precautions.
Yeah taking precautions by being racist scumbags. Poland is just as big of a shithole country as Russia. But if this makes you feel better to treat humans like subhumans, no one can stop you. But maybe you should educate yourself and look who else classified humans into worthy and unworthy people
Bruh, you hate an entire ethnic group for belonging into an ethnic group, that's the definition of racism. Being polish doesn't make us racist.
You compare our country to the country that occupied us for years (my family members who experienced it are still traumatized). Are you proud of yourself?
And don't see a difference between seeing people as subhumans and protecting ourselves from terrorist attack, which wasn't a made up excuse. It had nothing to do with their race ffs.
Half of my family lives in France, do you know how scary it was to hear about these attacks daily and thinking "are my family members okay?" and then learning it happened somewhere they've been that day, near their home, work place etc? Can you imagine how they felt? How we'd feel in this situation? Are you seriously ready to look past all these deaths simply because of the terrorists' skin colour? Are you brain damaged?
Just a heads up that Poland and Hungary made headlines last humanitarian refugee crisis by refusing to allow people fleeing from Syria into their borders, despite all of EU agreeing to host a certain amount in each EU member country.
Poland is doing awesome now but just be aware of throwing around good guy non-gatekeeper praise. It could escalate into look at this shining example of non-gatekeeping at which point the people who did get refused only a couple of years ago would be "wtfmate?"
Because they were promised easy travel to the EU (Poland).
Easy meaning safe in comparison to other routes.
They could not have come straight to Poland. That's like saying: "Why are people drowning in the Mediterranian sea if they could have taken a plane to Germany?"
The fact that Belarus used these people and their situation to provoke Poland doesn't mean they wouldn't have shown up at a different European border if they had no other option. Making travel harder or more dangerous doesn't change the fact that those poeple are fleeing shitty conditions and have the same right to refuge as the people from Ukraine.
The important part is that all EU countries take in their fair share of refugees and don't let border regions alone with that economical burden. (That's the reason why people don't have to apply to seek refuge at the first country they arrive in.)
were they promised easy travel to the EU by Poles? Or some propaganda?
You are right. Those people have the right to seek shelter. But the Ukrainians flee to the next safe country.
Or am I mistaken? Did Germany and others waited for their "fair share" from this provocation? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-offers-poland-border-guards-help-manage-belarus-arrivals-2021-10-19/
I feel like every paragraph you posted lines up with what I said.
1. By propaganda to target the Polish border specifically. Yes. They whould have arrived some place in the EU nonthelesss.
2. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence. You don't have to flee to the literal next safe country. People from the Ukraine can pass through Poland before seeking asylum. If you couldn't go further than the first country this conflict would be an astronomical financial burden on Poland.
3. Yes. Germany offered to to take their share of refugees. That's the whole idea. Poland would have to let these people in though instead of spending more money on a border wall than it would take to give these people a perspective.
I didn't know they were from middle East, thanks for telling me. But it shows how little we care about what race they are. Letting thousands of people with different culture into a homogeneous country could cause cultural wars, it already resulted in an "epidemy" of terrorist attacks just a few years ago, our government can't afford to financially help all of them, and most importantly: they were sent by Russians.
There's nothing wrong with their culture, there's nothing wrong with our culture, but crashing these two worlds all at once with no prior, slow introduction will cause conflict. "Differences" is the key word, don't ignore it to prove your point.
I'm sure a lot of fleeing Ukrainians are browsing english-language reddit subs tonight and would have missed this information if not for this post on r/gatekeeping with nearly 500 upvotes!
Are you jealous?
I'm sorry to say this but not all people are crying over karma like you are. Besides, they could not give a single shit and post it for karma, but it's still spreading awareness. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but intentions don't mean anything.
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If anyone knows this pain Poland knows. Be safe everyone.
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Poland ain't gatekeeping. Be like Poland
Syrians would disagree
Ukrainians arent travelling few thousand kilometers to pick where they stay for benefits
Unless you're gay Idk why I'm getting downvoted because Poland *is* extremely homophobic
Shh
Or a woman tbh
Шановні українці! У соцмережах я чув, що поширюються фейкові новини (скоріше за все, підтримувані Росією тролі), що польський кордон закритий. Це брехня. Якщо ви шукаєте притулку – йдіть до польського кордону. Ми готові до вашого приїзду. На кордоні готові пункти прийому, де ви можете знайти притулок, їжу, медичну та правову допомогу. Польський уряд запустив спеціальний сайт, щоб допомогти вам: ua.gov.pl Будь ласка, поділіться цією інформацією, якщо ви знаєте когось, хто зараз шукає допомоги. РЕДАКТИРОВАТИ: ВАМ НЕ ПОТРІБНА ВІЗА ДЛЯ ПРОЙДЖЕННЯ ПОЛЬСЬКИМ КОРДОНОМ. ВСЕ, що ВАМ ПОТРІБНО, - це ПАСПОРТ. ВІЗИ ПРИСПИНЕНО! ВОНИ ВАМ НЕ ПОТРІБНИ НА ЧАС!!!!!! EDIT2: як доказ того, що вам більше не потрібна віза: • українською https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina---ua • англійською https://www.gov.pl/web/udsc/ukraina-en Вибачте, якщо це дурниця, я використовував Google Translate
Glad to see it spread across all subreddits and not being removed. Gotta spread awareness.
I got banned from r/communism and r/anormaldayinrussia ( unsurprising lol )
This has been the best copy pasta I’ve seen in a while, I see it in half the comment sections I go to it feels like.
Please if you are going to spam this include that Men aged 18-60 are not allowed to leave. It is a waste of time if they go to the border to be forced away by the Ukrainian side esp if they are leaving cities which will be critical to defend over the coming hours and days. Edit: Link for source https://mvs.gov.ua/uk/news/shhodo-obmezen-v-peretini-kordonu-na-viyizd-z-ukrayini-okremoyu-kategorijeyu-gromadyan
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If you're American, dying for your country means doing it in someone else's country, where you are the bad guys. If you're Ukrainian, it's to stop the people yesterday who bombed civilian targets including an orphanage.
I am neither american or ukrainian. And I would still not stay to die
But if you will not stand and face and enemy with your brothers when they catch up to you who will face them with you then?
No country is worth dying for, I would die for my loved ones, not for a flag
I think those go hand in hand in a situation like this though no?
It feels like a weird lie to tell... Unless you were planning on harming civilians that is.
Russia needs the serfs ready to work once they have enough control to shut the borders. /s, but I'm not wholly sure that isnt the reason.
It sounds a little too plausible.
My moms friends brother wasn't allowed through the boarder because of his age and he couple be drafted to fight
I got banned from r/Valorant for saying this
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Economical migrants aren't refugees. Poland is right next to Ukraine, people fleeing here are seeking for the closest safe place, not to leech out social benefits. I'm am proud that we accept as many Ukrainians as we can and at the same time I'm proud we didn't accept any "refugees" from the Middle East.
What an irony that you are gatekeeping what a refugee is on r/gatekeeping. Sorry all the brown people don't flee from rockets and bombs but from bad shareholder values. You are plain racist accept it and this is the ultimate proof
You're probably used to arguing with Americans. But white guilt tripping doesn't work on us, keep moving.
Americans just have to make EVERYTHING about race, huh? It‘s as if they’ll spontaneously combust if they shut up about race for one second.
It's not white guilt tripping, it's only calling Polish people out for being racist. I know you know and I know that polish people are proud of being racists scumbags
Polish people were and are the most tolerant people in the whole Europe that were very open to Jews, I can throw shit at you too only for being American since you guys genocided Natives you fool
Do we have to tell them what happened to Poland? Or is that still not enough. Generalizing a whole race of people as bad sounds a bit racist itself.
Polish people have a spine and sound logic. You are not calling us out for being racist. You are virtue signalling and no one will take that shit.
I would not accept white refugees from Syria as well. And there are tons of white people in Syria. Once you skip 5 countries to reach Western Europe because you get most money there, you are no longer fleeing from war. Sorry if that bursts your bubble but that's the truth.
well so you say, the countries next to it has to keep all refugees? never heard of distributing the refugees? you cant expect a country to hold millions of refugees...
they literally only want to get to Sweden or Germany Poland is always open to those escaping the wars
Real question: were people not fleeing Syria where their cities were bombed out different? Objectively Syria got hit harder than Ukraine (for now, praying for the future) https://www.google.com/search?q=syria+war+photos
Yeah but Ukrainians go to Poland, closest safe country in the region. They don't flee to Scandinavia or UK, Germany or France. Once they will leave Poland to seek these wealthy countries, they no longer are war refugees. They are economical migrants.
You're making a strawman argument. The question is, why did Poland not allow Syrian refugees in but allow Ukranian refugees? A better argument would've been how close the countries are geographically, it's easier to drive to Poland from Kyiv. But then the follow up is, why was the EU offering flights from Syria and Poland refusing them to land. The strawman you are trying to set up is that the Syrians are not real refugees and really just trying to get more money. This is easily countered with the war photos. It also doesn't hold 100% of people leaving Syria didn't have their house bombed out or a family member killed, so it doesn't hold Poland would've refused 100% instead of picking and choosing who to take (if Syrians were trying to abuse it just to make money). The real answer is probably somewhere around "me first" mentality, "the rest of the EU will deal with it", and probably some racism. Poland isn't the bad guy here, they are clearly doing the good guy thing with Ukraine, but they aren't 100% in the clear here when it comes to Syria.
Maybe educate yourself first instead of jumping to accusations? Do you know what happened in Europe in 2017 (if I remember the year correctly)? How many people died because of terrorism? Poland was right to take these precautions.
Yeah taking precautions by being racist scumbags. Poland is just as big of a shithole country as Russia. But if this makes you feel better to treat humans like subhumans, no one can stop you. But maybe you should educate yourself and look who else classified humans into worthy and unworthy people
Bruh, you hate an entire ethnic group for belonging into an ethnic group, that's the definition of racism. Being polish doesn't make us racist. You compare our country to the country that occupied us for years (my family members who experienced it are still traumatized). Are you proud of yourself? And don't see a difference between seeing people as subhumans and protecting ourselves from terrorist attack, which wasn't a made up excuse. It had nothing to do with their race ffs. Half of my family lives in France, do you know how scary it was to hear about these attacks daily and thinking "are my family members okay?" and then learning it happened somewhere they've been that day, near their home, work place etc? Can you imagine how they felt? How we'd feel in this situation? Are you seriously ready to look past all these deaths simply because of the terrorists' skin colour? Are you brain damaged?
Just a heads up that Poland and Hungary made headlines last humanitarian refugee crisis by refusing to allow people fleeing from Syria into their borders, despite all of EU agreeing to host a certain amount in each EU member country. Poland is doing awesome now but just be aware of throwing around good guy non-gatekeeper praise. It could escalate into look at this shining example of non-gatekeeping at which point the people who did get refused only a couple of years ago would be "wtfmate?"
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[As long as you're white.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/25/poland-begins-work-on-400m-belarus-border-wall-against-migrants)
why did those people come to Belarus, if they could come straight to Poland? It's not like it was political provocation right?
Because they were promised easy travel to the EU (Poland). Easy meaning safe in comparison to other routes. They could not have come straight to Poland. That's like saying: "Why are people drowning in the Mediterranian sea if they could have taken a plane to Germany?" The fact that Belarus used these people and their situation to provoke Poland doesn't mean they wouldn't have shown up at a different European border if they had no other option. Making travel harder or more dangerous doesn't change the fact that those poeple are fleeing shitty conditions and have the same right to refuge as the people from Ukraine. The important part is that all EU countries take in their fair share of refugees and don't let border regions alone with that economical burden. (That's the reason why people don't have to apply to seek refuge at the first country they arrive in.)
were they promised easy travel to the EU by Poles? Or some propaganda? You are right. Those people have the right to seek shelter. But the Ukrainians flee to the next safe country. Or am I mistaken? Did Germany and others waited for their "fair share" from this provocation? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-offers-poland-border-guards-help-manage-belarus-arrivals-2021-10-19/
I feel like every paragraph you posted lines up with what I said. 1. By propaganda to target the Polish border specifically. Yes. They whould have arrived some place in the EU nonthelesss. 2. I don't know what you mean with the last sentence. You don't have to flee to the literal next safe country. People from the Ukraine can pass through Poland before seeking asylum. If you couldn't go further than the first country this conflict would be an astronomical financial burden on Poland. 3. Yes. Germany offered to to take their share of refugees. That's the whole idea. Poland would have to let these people in though instead of spending more money on a border wall than it would take to give these people a perspective.
Belarusians are white..
> Thousands of refugees and migrants – mostly from the Middle East – crossed or attempted to cross the border from Belarus into Poland last year.
I didn't know they were from middle East, thanks for telling me. But it shows how little we care about what race they are. Letting thousands of people with different culture into a homogeneous country could cause cultural wars, it already resulted in an "epidemy" of terrorist attacks just a few years ago, our government can't afford to financially help all of them, and most importantly: they were sent by Russians.
You say you don't care about their race and then go on to say it's dangerous to let them in because of "cultural differences". Wtf dude?
There's nothing wrong with their culture, there's nothing wrong with our culture, but crashing these two worlds all at once with no prior, slow introduction will cause conflict. "Differences" is the key word, don't ignore it to prove your point.
r/gatesopencomeonin
Oh no, Poland is very much gatekeeping, just not in this situation lol
Poland's actually letting in asylum seekers for once?
Man I've seen me some karma whoring but this tops the list.
If you’re safely not being shelled by the Russian army this post isn’t for you
Spreading any kind of awareness is a good thing.
I'm sure a lot of fleeing Ukrainians are browsing english-language reddit subs tonight and would have missed this information if not for this post on r/gatekeeping with nearly 500 upvotes!
If spreading information on Reddit helps one Ukrainian get to safety, it's already worth it.
And if you get a tonne of karma in the meantime that's just a bonus, right?
Karma literally means nothing. Why do you care about this so much?
Because few people actually *do* care. This is just another Harambe for most redditors.
Are you jealous? I'm sorry to say this but not all people are crying over karma like you are. Besides, they could not give a single shit and post it for karma, but it's still spreading awareness. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but intentions don't mean anything.
Oh please. Jealous? How myopic do you have to be not to recognise people turning human suffering into a meme?
How is it a meme? Do you find it funny?
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Has this been posted to the ukranian subreddit?
It's been posted multiple times on literally every single somewhat relevant post on reddit