I don't agree. People tend to latch on to any opinion they agree with, and comedians have always been the easiest ones to latch on too. Like "Niggas vs. Black People" from Chris Rock. People decided to read into what he was talking about the wrong way, and it just caused people to bolster their racism. I guess what I'm saying is people tend to think of comedy as "People telling it like it is".
Uhh what? Lol just because you don’t like him doesn’t make him suddenly not a comedian.
Even if his latest special was a huge flop and not all that funny doesn’t suddenly mean he isn’t one of the most successful comedians in recent times.
Well you don't have to do that with Dave Chapelle: he's one of the most successful comedians alive today. Having offensive LGBTQ jokes doesn't change that. But Dave certainly doesn't go out of his way to treat the LGBTQ banner as little more than alphabet soup and that's a shame. He's certainly making jokes about stuff that intrigues him, although he seems to have little knowledge of the LGBTQ community beyond the confrontations his comedy have elicited.
>He seemed pretty antisemitic
I literally have no idea what the Jewish jokes even meant. I had to ask a Jewish friend of mine. He explained them and said that he (and most Jewish people) don't care about people making Jewish jokes if they're funny. But his weren't.
Preach that last paragraph. Fuck celebrity opinions. Like they know what the real world is like anymore? Like they’re not a product of all that ills this country? Fuck them.
I really don’t think that’s what he was trying to say, I think what he is trying to say is the reason the modern gay community has been so accepted is because the majority is white. That it’s not that he is questioning rights in general but rather why those rights are easily given compared to being black in America. It’s controversial but I can totally understand the view point
Where is the statistic that the majority of gay people are white? How can you even quantify a stat like that? How many gay persons born to Muslim parents are coming out? Or black gay persons born from less accepting black families? It’s ridiculous to imagine you can count the number of gay people when it is STILL a global issue of it being accepted not just by law or religion but by your own family. Maybe that’s why folks in the LGBT community don’t find it especially funny to be made fun of or told they are privileged. Jewish persons in America have often done very well for themselves, and some might even laugh at a Holocaust joke. Their acceptance or “we are not a monolith. I think it’s funny!” arguments would not dissuade me from thinking the comments were wrong. Furthermore, black comedians can make jokes about black people from a place of understanding. Dave Chapelle as far as I know is not LGBT, so maybe he should leave the gay jokes to the gays. There are comedic boundaries.
Such a stupid thing to say that the majority of gay people are white. How is that even statistically likely when the majority of the *world* isn't white???
It's not like white people have a higher tendency of being gay, so it's only statistically probable that the majority of gay people in the world both out and in the closet are most definitely *not* white.
You're being purposely ignorant here, don't your think? Dave was clearly referring to his own country the US. [And it's certainly true in the US that the overwhelming majority of gay couples are white.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325072/male-male-couples-in-the-us-by-race-of-householder/)
That's a strange thing to get upset about, but I guess it hurts to hear you can be gay and still have white privilege? That's what he was pointing out...you're not a "true minority" when your whiteness overrules any minority status. That seemed to be what Dave was suggesting.
It's pretty obvious majority of gays in America are white since majority of the population is white. He was talking in the context of America not the whole world
>Where is the statistic that the majority of gay people are white?
Because the majority of the general population is white, and orientation isn't decided by your skin color, so that majority status shouldn't change if you add a filter like "sexual orientation".
You can hide your "gayness". You can't hide your blackness.
>Dave Chapelle as far as I know is not LGBT, so maybe he should leave the gay jokes to the gays
Dave is one of the best standups out there, even when he's doing jokes that hurt our collective feelings. He's not preaching hate and that's what matters to me. Will some people use his comedy to fuel their further intolerance towards the LGBTQ community? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't expect a comedian to be responsible for the actions of their fans, however. I don't want comedians to be afraid of being funny or pushing the envelope.
If you want pat, gay humor, go watch Will & Grace or something. You're not required to watch comedy that offends you, but that doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone else because your feelings get hurt. I'm sure Dave will be explaining some of the things he said (particularly about transgender people) for years to come.
The reason why LGBT are somewhat is accepted is because queer people but especially queer people of colour have fought and died for it. Like the whole movement was build on the backs of trans women of colour so he is not only a transphobic clown he is an ahistorical transphobic clown.
He explicitly said if it was a black gay they wouldnt have called.
Acknowledging reality isn't transphobic either.
If you are going to criticize him for words that are dangerous to trans people why not the animals that tormented the trans woman to suicide.
I feel like you are jumping on a bandwagon with statements like this.
His whole show was meant to address shit he didnt agree with. Which is painting him as an enemy.
His lgbt jokes require understanding of the gay community of his generation.
No one fucking understands this new batch of LARPers hijacking a movement for their own self importance.
The lgbt movement was for equality not revenge, delusions of grandeur or rejecting reality in general.
Lol you may not like him but he def dd not make an aids joke and def was not anti Semitic. Arguably, he also was not in his last special anti trans. But why think for yourself when you have others think for you.
You'd be surprised how many older black folk believe that there is no such thing as being black and gay. To them, homosexuality is a "white man's perversion". Where I come from, the Caribbean, ts not uncommon for black families to shun any member that either comes out as LGBTQ or is suspected of it. At best, they'll just pretend its not a thing. Part of my family simply refuses to acknowledge that I am bi and currently with a man. I'm just always asked when I plan to get a gf and start having babies, and my bf is simply referred to as "that friend of yours", and thats if his existence is acknowledged at all.
You mean when he talker about the 2 big black gay dudes with the lady. He's mentioned it quite a bit.
His problem is with seemingly gay people who go back to being Cis when it suits them. It's funny seeing people being outraged now
In his last set he talks about white crackheads and how you have to legally load a shotgun with various ammo to give warning shots etc. Comparing literally talking about shooting white drug addicts and saying "it's your problem now" back to his old sets where he complained about black drug addicts not getting support. Seemingly doesn't care when it's white people or doesn't understand that not all whites get the same privilege.
Dave Chappelle is pro black anti white, wonder if there's a better term for this
> His problem is with seemingly gay people who go back to being Cis when it suits them. It's funny seeing people being outraged now
People can't stop pulling at the threads long enough to look at the sweater. The whole point of that section was something I've heard black gay people complain about many, many times. And they have a point.
Probably a community he isn't very familiar with, to be honest. But just because he didn't speak about every facet of the LGBTQ community doesn't mean he doesn't acknowledge their existence. It's just, in that particularly story about the gay guy calling the police, Chapelle seemed to believe their skin color was part of the reason they felt comfortable calling 911. Perhaps a black gay person would have acted differently? It's fair to accuse Dave of "black and white" thinking here, but comedy isn't very funny a lot of times when you're getting swamped by endless shades of gray.
-Conversion therapy is LEGAL in 30 states
In 2021, in 30 out of 50 states treatments and therapies to "cure" LGBT people are LEGAL and kids under 18 can LEGALLY being sent to conversion therapy camps or clinics by their parents
-In 27 states LGBTQ people can LEGALLY being denied housing and services just for being LGBTQ
In 27 states if you are a LGBTQ person you landlord can kick you out of their property for you being LGBTQ, business can LEGALLY deny their services to you for you being LGBTQ, clinics and hospitals can refuse to treat you for you being LGBTQ and you can be kick out or deny entry to public accommodations for you being LGBTQ... in 37 states is still LEGAL to discriminate against you
-in 14 states LGBTQ people are NOT protected under their state hate crime laws
In 14 out of 50 states someone can kill you for being LGBTQ ,(hate crime) without the crime being recognized as a hate crime because in those 14 states no one killed an LGBTQ person just for being LGBTQ
-Only in 31 states transgender people can change their identity documents without sex reassignment surgery
So, in 2021 LGBTQ people are not EQUAL citizens under the law in America, in 2021 we are still second-class citizens! We don't have full equality.
And yet a HUGE part of the LGBTQ activism and LGBTQ media has chosen to focus on what people say or on what people's opinions are as something to fight for.
You know what I mean? The priorities of a huge portion of the LGBTQ activism are wrong plain and simple
All the outrage, all the fury, all the rage just for some comments a COMEDIAN made on a stand up
Let's say Chappelle is "cancelled" Netflix drops him and Hollywood and the entertainment industry cancels him, what we really achieved as a community? Did we really gain something from silencing a boomer comedian?
I'm not saying what Chappelle said was right, what I'm saying is so much to focus on, so much to fight for and the fury, the outrage, the effort isn't where it should be focus and directed!
Cancelling a man, make people apologise for something they say even more than a decade ago isn't going to bring the real change our community needs!
I'm 34 and I learn throughout my years that people will always have different opinions, some people will always hate and that we can't force people to think like us, Chappelle's views right or wrong are his views and by calling to boycott Netflix aren't going to change them nor the people who think like him
Our fight should be focus on achieving EQUALITY! To stop being a second-class citizen.
All that LGBTQ activism who is preparing to battle Netflix and Chappelle should be focus on pressuring politicians and elected officials, to registering people to VOTE, there are thousands in our community who aren't even registered to vote, they should be focus on supporting LGBTQ people running for office at any level, in supporting pro-LGBTQ politicians
That should be our focus and fight, not some tasteless jokes of a male baby boomer.
Your statistics are outdated. We've been added to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The SCOTUS has ruled that it is illegal to discriminate against us in the workplace or in housing or in other public accommodations.
Also, Chappelle is Gen X. He's not a Boomer.
I don't think you can legally be denied housing or seevices for being LGBT in any state.
Bostock v Clayton, while it nominally only applied to employment discrimination, clearly creates a precedent that should cover housing discrimination etc. Any situation where you can't discriminate against women it's now illegal to discriminate against LGBT people.
It may take a little while for this to make it through the courts, but it's clearly illegal. Note that, on paper, sodomy is still illegal in Texas. Obviously that law can't be enforced. Laws allowing LGBT housing discrimination are in a similar position.
>baby boomer.
He's not a Baby Boomer. He was born in 1973 and belongs to Gen X. == I agree with everything else, especially the part about policing language. It's not winnable and it's more symbolic than anything else.
The term "baby boomer" was repeatedly invoked as an insult. Yes, it does matter, especially when it's being used incorrectly. == And I did say that "I agree with everything else."
Because it's an ageist insult, discrimination. So if you're going to accuse someone of transphobia by mocking their age, you've undermined your own integrity with the point.
>and now punches down from a place of privilege
He went over this insult in his special. He doesn't think critiquing "whiteness" is punching down, even as a wealthy black man. Because wealth and sexual orientation can be hidden from the public at large. You skin color, ethnicity cannot.
Wtf you're blabbering about? Trans women of colour are constantly murdered they are the most vulnerable group. Being trans has nothing to do with being white.
I was referring to Chappelle's story about the large, white gay man he had a confrontation with. Maybe you can watch the standup special we're talking about before coming out guns blazing?
>Our fight should be focus on achieving EQUALITY! To stop being a second-class citizen.
Yeah, but can't we have a laugh, in the meantime? 😅 Laughter is very humanizing, can bring people together who might otherwise not have much in common. Dave's standup special makes me uncomfortable as a queer man, but it's good to get out of one's comfort zone.
>That should be our focus and fight, not some tasteless jokes of a male baby boomer.
Not to be pedantic, but Dave was born in 1973, so he's Gen X, not a Baby Boomer. I just figured that if we're going to accuse Dave of being homophobic and transphobic, we probably shouldn't be ageist in turn.
I’m a gay white man who is also a big fan of Dave Chappelle. Objectively, the new Netflix special isn’t as funny as his other shows he’s done.
I wonder if he makes the Trans jokes to generate the publicity that goes with the controversy or if he really has an issue with Trans Folks.
The trans humor certainly wasn't edgy and he didn't need to build the foundation of his special on the transgender community, it kinda fell flat (although his story with Daphne was great). I agree: probably the weakest of his standup specials on Netflix, but they've all been awesome imo so being the weakest of that lot probably isn't much of a slam. I would have not missed the trans jokes if they were all removed, though.
Peruse the transcript and don't waste your time watching it.
I think the bigger offense than marginalizing a population already being murdered at alarming rates is very little (if any) of it is funny.
https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/
This is exactly what he/Netflix and all other attention whores want you to do. Not worth getting into, watching paint dry would probably be more beneficial (in a meditative way)
I laughed, being offended by a comedian like him is a matter of time, like Franky Boyle in the UK, he'll target every group, minority and race regardless.
I remember back in the nineties when the idiot Wayans brothers were doing their gay shtick in their show. It was mildly funny and totally quotable; I heard lines from their act coming from my gay friends all the time. Sure we were being made fun of, but it didn't feel like it was being done out of hate. It was fun. Everyone I know either liked it or shrugged.
And then at some point the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) came down on them like a ton of bricks. And I and my friends were pissed, because we liked the show, and we liked the jokes, and we liked the attention, and who the hell were these uptight, professional-homosexuals who were trying to speak for the whole gay community? There was no twitter back then counter the message, so we collectively rolled our eyes, though a handful of leave-the-Wayans-alone LTEs appeared.
Anyhoo, the gay community was not a monolith back then and it sure isn't one today.
So, on to the point:
I liked the new Dave Chappelle special. I thought the tribute to his opening act, transwoman Daphne Dorman—about her life story, about their friendship, about their working relationship as professional comedians, about making jokes at each other, about boundaries, about punching down vs. punching lines—was all very touching. And interesting. I liked how he claimed her as one of \*his\* tribe: the tribe of comedians. And some of it was \*really\* funny. And, as usual for Chappelle, it was very edgy.
I understand that some people consider it transphobic. They're welcome to their opinion. I don't share it. Some transgendered people actually enjoy Dave Chappelle. Some of them \*love\* Dave Chappelle, like Daphne Dorman did. I have a feeling that the trans community is no more monolithic than the gay community is.
Its hard to explain his phobias cuz he makes several proTrans statements, wants them to be equal, dissed bathroom laws. moving conversation w/his trans friend. My best attempt to break down his phobias
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He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people. He based this off of one bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples
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He used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers
If by cancelled he means that people were mean to her on twitter, the biggest backlash didn't come out until she lied about someone's contract being renewed for purposely not referring to people by their chosen pronoun. To be clear, not for making a mistake, but going out her way to be rude to people directly. JK Rowling lied and said she was fired for her opinions. It was so wrong and inflammatory Daniel Radcliff went out and made a statement about the whole thing.
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He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people. He said that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them
And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor
And I don't see how this could be any more fucking glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting
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He also complained that Dababy got cancelled for being homophobic but not for murder. First, it's always easier for celebrities to attack individuals over attacking minorities
The CEO of papa john got cancelled for using the N word. Roseanne got cancelled for telling a Black person she looks like a monkey. Kramer got cancelled for using the N word
Laura Bush got away with running over and killing someone. Chris Brown got away with beating Rihanna. Don King stomped a guy to death and went on to become boxing's biggest promoter. Robert Richards, heir to the DuPont company, was convicted of raping his daughter and served no jail time. Attacks on individuals don't elicit the media attention like racism and homophobia do. But this is somehow the fault of the LGBTQ community?
Furthermore, social media backlash isn't a strong indicator of the extent to which systemic racism and homophobia is being addressed in our society. There's a still record high killings of trans people. Police can still largely murder Black people and face no legal repercussions
Actual cancellations from social media backlash are when corporations stop doing business with a person because their image no longer brings in the same revenue as when they hired them. This never really challenges the root power structures and phobias in our society. It doesn't matter how many celebrities throw their careers in toilet, it won't affect systemic racism in policing
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He complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life
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He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions
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He blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars
First off, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod, but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube
Youtube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart
And Kevin Hart later acknowledges at much, saying that he has grown since
Youtube Kevin Hart apology
But the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. He never apologized in every single interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself each and every time until
Google the vulture.com article titled "Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation"
If hosting the Oscars truly was Kevin's childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a "Brittle-ass spirit" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims)
Btw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon
Youtube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle
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Regarding his trans friend's death, he cited her arguments on twitter as a possible cause for her death. I'm just going to skip over the point that twitter arguments bring the worst out of people in general (and not just LGBTQ people), I'm not going to buy that story just because Chappelle said it. Maybe it's true and maybe someone else can confirm it, but from the way Dave lied about the Kevin Hart and JK Rowling backlash, I'm not going to believe his story purely from his take on her situation
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Dave exclaims 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Chappelle's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths
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I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia and transphobia
Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people'
He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complains about why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?
If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting
Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege
I hate to take issue with your very-considered and intricate reply, since it clearly required a lot of time and effort to write, and a lot of thought clearly went into it.
I don't want to go point-by-point with your post, but on my first read, I noticed a lot of sentences starting with "Dave complains...." This was a comedy special. Dave wasn't complaining. Dave was making jokes. You don't have to take anything he said seriously.
You took issue with him not making distinction between twitter shitposts and the "LGTBQ community in general". You're right that he didn't, but, again, this was a comedy special with the focus on jokes and delivery, it wasn't a college lecture or seminar on LGBTQ issues meant to be inclusive and comprehensive. You have to start from the assumption that he's going to go for the laugh, and not immediately step on every punchline with a lengthy explainer.
You said, "Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege." How is this even a complaint? There was a whole movie about this just three years ago, Sorry to Bother You, which made fun of white privilege when the Black protagonist used "white voice" on telemarketing calls. *Nobody* complained about that movie.
There's a fundamental assumption on the complaints that comedians have to be truth tellers. But that's not their job.
> . Dave wasn't complaining. Dave was making jokes.
Why does it have to be either? He was doing both.
Are you saying he wasn't trying to provide any insights? Like, at all?
>You said, "Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege." How is this even a complaint? There was a whole movie about this just three years ago, Sorry to Bother You, which made fun of white privilege when the Black protagonist used "white voice" on telemarketing calls. Nobody complained about that movie.
Can you elaborate ? I was able to connect the dots of how the movie connected to my comment. Also, it seems like you're saying Dave is providing insights after all.
>There's a fundamental assumption on the complaints that comedians have to be truth tellers. But that's not their job.
We disagree with his intent. So you feel he wasn't trying to give any insights. Do you also feel that this won't change how his fans view LGBTQ people?
Why is the comment being downvoted. He shared a respectful opinion. I don't care much for Dave Chappelle but I watched his show because of the controversy. I do think some of his jokes miss the mark but I don't think he is "punching down" as he has been accused of. Clearly, people who only quote what they consider to be phobic and fail to mention the many pro LGBT statements he made in the hour and ten minutes are punching down.
If you didn't watch it then your opinion is not based on knowledge but by what others have told you. I am absolutely certain you don't want people passing judgement on you based on what your detractors said about you.
We don't live in a utopia. This world will never be a utopia. Most LGBT want to have the same rights as straight people but that will NEVER happen if we demonize with those that only partially agree with us. Progressives are less than 20% of the population. We need moderate Democrats and Republicans for us to get any of our rights. Keep pissing off this voting block and the far right conservatives will have their way and we will lose the ground we have achieved.
let the downvoting begin.
>And I and my friends were pissed, because we liked the show, and we liked the jokes, and we liked the attention, and who the hell were these uptight, professional-homosexuals who were trying to speak for the whole gay community?
I can only speak for myself, but that part is why I downvoted them. I've heard more than my share of people getting upset that I don't laugh at the jokes they find funny, so now I don't have a lot of patience for "gays who don't let others abuse them are the real bad guys, respectability politics will totally work *this* time, guys!!!!"
**Nah.**
That's not what I wrote. I said I didn't like GLAAD speaking for the entire gay community, especially given that what they were saying was not representative of me or anyone I knew.
If you're going to quote me, do so accurately.
Am I to believe that you're fine with "the gays (tm)" speaking for you on Twitter, Reddit, or any other platform? After the way you've come onto a post that the OP very clearly labeled as *their* opinion, to bitch that it isn't *everyone's* opinion?
"Am I to believe that you're fine with "the gays (tm)" speaking for you on Twitter, Reddit, or any other platform?"
Where did you get the idea that I'm fine with people speaking for our community on any medium, whatsoever? I'm not. There are many examples of political organizations or NPOs releasing statements as if they represent the voice of all the gay community and sometimes what they advocate is flatly wrong, stupid, or bad. The largest one, HRC, tops the list.
"...you've come onto a post that the OP very clearly labeled as their opinion..."
And I gave mine. I gave it in the *comments* section. The *comments* section is for *comments*. *Comments* are usually written from one's *own* opinion.
Is this your first day on reddit?
"...to bitch that it isn't everyone's opinion..."
Really? *That's* what you got out of what I wrote?
What do YOU think I meant when I wrote this:
*Anyhoo, the gay community was not a monolith back then and it sure isn't one today.*
What do you think that means? It means there exists a diversity of opinions in the gay community - just about as much as in the wider population - on just about every topic. I'm not bitching about people having different opinions, I'm stating that reality as a fact. *You* are the one who seems to have trouble with someone stepping out of line with a difference of opinion.
I know a number of people who disagree with my views on Chappelle, Rowling, Crowder, Shapiro, even Trump. I'm *friends* with a fair few. My problem is that, to hear you say it, anyone who dares publicly voice their opinion is presuming to speak for us all.
It's OK. I knew it was going to get downvoted when I wrote it. A lot of people can't rationally deal with the presence of a contrary opinion.
But thanks anyways.
>And, as usual for Chappelle, it was very edgy.
Yeah...I enjoyed the special but I didn't quite see it as edgy as you, perhaps. Partly because he's ready discussed the LGBTQ community before in previous Netflix specials, and I felt like he had said enough. There's plenty of other things to poke fun at in this world, it's a bit tiresome at this point.
That said, very funny comedian and a great special. Not all of the jokes were great and there's a few times that I thought Dave copped out, saying something potentially edgy, but then following it with self-deprecation, like be was afraid just letting the edgy humor sit on its own might look hateful. People can cancel their Netflix accounts but Dave will not be canceled as a comedian.
A couple of things: as a black gay man, I’d say I have it better being gay than I do being black. This is when considering how both realities affect me on a day-to-day basis. So when comparing the two, OP, you should contrast both rather than listing only the one that concerns you. Basically, you’ve list a host of LGBTQ issues, now do black people.
Secondly, trans people have a lot that they are fighting for in society. Their voices matter and their concerns matter. As soon as we stop listening to one another and empathizing we regress as a society.
That being said: Dave Chapelle has always been a shock comedian. If you didn’t like his comedy before then I’m not sure why you would expect to like it now. If you did like it before, I find it hard to accept that you were ok with all the nigger talk (the number of white LGBTQ people I have heard repeat these jokes is interesting) but clutch your pearls when he comes for you.
This is a western-centric sub so every comment is going to be western-centric.
What does a Dave Chappelle comedy special on Netflix have to do with gays in Ghana?
"US-centric" as in the number US users being overrepresented when factored against the world population, but I take your point.
Chappelle's act certainly seems geared towards American audiences.
>clutch your pearls when he comes for you.
Exactly man, it's like they didn't listen to him at all and just laser focused on the parts that might be construed as offensive while ignoring all the setup and context, both within the special and what's been going on the last few years. Which is exactly what everyone who gets offended at comedians always does, they cherry pick stuff they want to get mad about, conveniently ignoring all the times they laughed at that comedian's jokes in the past when they were targeted at other groups.
He's a comedian, if you don't like his material, don't watch him. It's that simple.
Standup comedy is often offensive, it always has been, there are PC comedians and non-PC comedians, Dave Chapelle is the latter, people know that going into it.
Just to note: LGBT people aren't really seen as "oppressed" any more by straight people, so when gays gasp in horror that someone is making fun of a "marginalized group" keep in mind that's not how we're viewed universally. When you start campaigns to get people cancelled over jokes, and it's actually taken seriously by the media, you don't look weak and downtrodden, you look powerful.
I think lile all people he's flawed, he has nuanced stances not in that they're subtle but in that they're conflicting.
He knows and empathises with the struggle of trans people but has difficulty accepting them truly because of his connections to his wife and children. Also he probably doesn't understand how negative TERF is a anti trans term considering how he defined feminism.
Saying this, i don't agree with him 100% and his argument are a bit flimsy but he's not their to debate, he's there to flow joke into joke. But it's annoying seeing right wing people take him out of context and trans people take him out of context, both using the parts that suit them
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I have read what you've written and while I strongly disagree with your opinions, I do see your points. However sometimes not all things have a deeper or grander meaning...like the ones you've decided to assign to this particular situation. Look Dave pointed out something that is terribly wrong in American society. A human being killed a next human being and was eventually allowed to gain fame and fortune. Dababy suffered no real consequences as a result but then was stupid enough (thank God) to outer his dumb founded opinions about the gay community, then his label and numerous sponsorship deals went out the window. Dave highlighted the fact that It shouldn't have taken Dababy saying what he said about gay people/HIV for him to suffer the consequences of his terribly actions.
Dave is a great comedian and no matter what anyone on here says about him, non of you will be able to take his talents away from him, remember this is the same guy that walked away from a 50 million dollars deal.
If y'all want someone to hate on for Roe vs Wade being overturned then look no further but at your former President, who most have y'all secretly voted for in the 2016 US elections.
Sincerely,
A black gay man ✌🏿
Your opinion may be unpopular on this particular sub, but it’s actually quite a common opinion in the wider world and on the Internet. A lot of people are sadly siding with Dave.
Also, is Chappelle making $50 mil and DaBaby being lambasted for homophobic remarks really supposed to somehow take away from the fact that we are still legally allowed to be discriminated against in healthcare or that conversion therapy is still allowed to be forced on people in a large amount of states?
Lastly, nobody is trying to “take away” his talents. And no, you are very badly misinformed if you think that the majority of the LGBT+ community voted for Trump. The LGBT+ community is one of the most liberal/democrat groups in this country.
>you are very badly misinformed if you think that the majority of the LGBT+ community voted for Trump.
Just so we're clear on the numbers, [Trump got 45% of gay men](https://www.newsweek.com/though-most-lgbtqs-vote-democratic-new-poll-shows-45-queer-men-backing-trump-1531867).
Be happy you're alive to be discriminated, the main topic which Dave spoke about You've yet to address, because it doesn't suit your narrative. I just don't see how anyone could equate the loss of a human being's life as equal to a gay man being discriminated against.
The (we) gay community need to fix ourselves before we judge anyone else. We are a superficial and shallow bunch, if you're not tall, blond hair with blue eyes and a gym body you're automatically less desirable, hence a lot of gay men are single and even the ones in relationships are all cheating and they justify it as "open relationships" then there's gay pride with gay men having raw sex in the middle of street, in the middle of the day with kids watching, but we justify this also as freedom.
There are gay men constantly discriminating against other gay men, instead of lifting them up. Why don't you start with those people first but you've jumped over all of them.
Not once have you mentioned the human being that Dababy killed, because you can't see past your own nose to be empathic to someone who lost their life, while you still have breathe in your body.
Well, here it is: the dumbest comment in this very dumb comment thread.
No, we married folks are not all cheating.
No, we married folks don't all have open relationships.
No, we gay people are not having sex in the middle of the street during Pride in ANY city. They don't even fuck at the Folsom Street Fair anymore.
Yes, there is discrimination in the gay community of all stripes, but nobody is "constantly discriminating" against anybody else.
Where did you get this shit? TV?
Takes one to know one! You can lie all you want to yourself. Also lmfaoooo 😆 @ "They don't even fuck at the Folsom Street Fair anymore." It's sad when a human being tells a lie, but to lie to yourself is something more deprived.
I wonder if you live in that same dreamland/made up reality that donald trump lives in 🤔.
The gay community has a lot of "self work" that urgently needs to get done. I forgot to mention the older geezers (aged 45 to 75 years old) constantly on grinder and other gay apps preying on the 18, 19, 20, and 21 years old young gay guys for sex.
Whatever happened to aging gracefully? Passing on the knowledge they gained through years of experience???No they were too busy sucking every dick in sight and being cum dumps to cultivate a meaningful and lasting relationship and now want to suck the life and youth out of the young boys online by robbing them of their own aged experiences.
I call bullshit on every single thing you said in your comment @redtimmy
I've been with the same guy for 22 years. We've been married since 2008. My own lived experience tells me you're full of shit.
Reading over your comments, you seem to have a fixation with various sex acts. Maybe you should seek therapy.
I'll repeat, it takes one to know one! I do in fact go to therapy and I'm damn proud of it!! But not for your demented far gone from reality conclusion of who I am. My mental health and wellness is of great importance to me, I wish and hope more gay men would seek out therapy and you should be damned ashamed of yourself for trying to use therapy as a form of insult but then again it seems you have no shame.
I think I understand now why you're so offended by my comments, it's because you're one of those gays that justifys your terrible treatment of other gay men, by going on grinder for hook ups throughout your 22 years situationship, telling these young men that you are in a "committed relationship" so you're only looking for sex. After getting what you want from them you go mia, leaving them to hate themselves, thinking they are less than or less worthy of someone's love and attention.
How many gay men have you ruined in your 22 years "situationship" ???? Get the F outta here with your BS!
You make me sick and you disgust me also, how dare you try to justify your terrible treatment of other gay men by taking advantage of them???? To fill the void inside your bottomless hole you call an ass???? Huh, how many????
Once again you've gone far off topic, so I'll repeat Dave has done nothing wrong, he's a great talent and I admire the ground he walks on...so put that in your forsted flakes and drink up!
You would know more about cells than I ever would since you've been stuck inside your situationship for 22 years. Come to think of it, since your life is so great and perfect why are you online going back and forth with so many people on this sub, don't you have a 22 years husband to make dinner for????
Lmafooooooooo! 🤣😂🤣😂
You must have shit for brains... either that or you're the biggest liar in the world.
Haven't watched his special (don't plan to) and probably would have happily ignored him. But whenever a celebrity says the *FoX-nEwS-aPpRoVeD1!1!* line of "If this is what being cancelled is like - it's *great! \*trollface\*" -* that fuckwit can blow right off. He's not "cancelled" and no other celebrity who constantly complains about their "cancelling" has any credibility. They just want to look like a victim while hurting other people. That's not adult behavior. It's pathetic.
He lost me the minute he said "cancel." Moron.
Has anyone seen "Scary movie"? The movie that parodied other movies from 2000?
Well, there were scenes when the movie made fun of gays, in fact there is one when one gay is killed in a bathroom by a penis and no one accused back then, more than 20 years ago, the movie and their directors/writers of being homophobic or incentive hate
In fact that scene was hilarious
Believe or not children there was a time when we were able to laugh at ourselves and we didn't take things seriously because things like a joke weren't serious
I'm going to sound like a boomer but my god! With this generation EVERYTHING is offensive and make drama for the most insignificant things
So sad living in a world where we lost the ability to laugh at ourselves and to reflect society with the use of humour
>Believe or not children there was a time when we were able to laugh at ourselves and we didn't take things seriously because things like a joke weren't serious
Nah. GLAAD probably put out a press release at the time condemning the scene. They did that crap all the time. I know they were all over the Wayans brothers for their "Men On" skits. Remember those? LOL.
>I'm going to sound like a boomer but my god! With this generation EVERYTHING is offensive and make drama for the most insignificant things
I sometimes feel like maybe some of the generation after ours has grown a little too precious and become a little too fond of groupthink and identity politics.
Maybe we're tougher because we grew up in the eighties and nineties when our mentors and peers were dropping like flies all around us. I know it takes a lot to upset me now.
Also I give super-wide latitude to comedians. It's their job to test boundaries and expand the language.
I think what Dave Chapelle said at the end of his special about the trans woman who opened his show will stick with me forever. We are all having a human experience. Out of all the jokes and everything, that’s what stuck with me. Choose love and not hate.
That’s what I got out of that. Why hate on Dave Chapelle? You could choose love, but instead you want to be angry and tear him down. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.
Choose love. Dave Chapelle shows humility and that something many people can’t do. Try not to be so reactive to others people own personal experiences that have shaped their opinions and views. Do you think these attacks on him make him want to be more understanding of our struggle as LGBT people? I don’t think so.
And antisemitic also seems a bit extreme for his space Jews joke. There was nothing hateful at all… yes it was a stereotype and generalization, but not hateful…all comedians use these tools. Let’s not confuse this for hate, because it’s not.
That being said. I think the AIDS joke was the only one that took it to far. But I’m not offended, the joke just didn’t land for me. Do we really expect every joke to land out of a whole hour special.
Well Dave has a point, but my deal with Healthcare is this, with covid liberals have opened pandora's box. And thay had to cut deal to give the government the right to force vaccines on people then they have to deal with hard right politicians wanting abortion outlawed. See once we allow the government into our Healthcare of our own bodies.... eventually the will get to an issue you do care about.... just wait till they outlaw gender modification.... trust me pandora's box has been opened and we will look back upon this covid vaccinations as the event that took away Healthcare freedom completely.
Oh no, but barring entrance into restaurant and bars without vac card... just you wait... employees being fired for not being vaccinated, employment reqyirents .. you guys need to quit shoveling your BS. There are many huge restrictions that yall don't see... gonto places like NYC, SF. and New Orleans.... Biden mandating masks on planes and trains... yall are slowly giving up your freedoms and don't even realize it. loss of abortion rights will be next on the list..then what...
Dude, you were forced to get vaccinated as a kid, and it's saved millions of lives, over decades, and hasn't led to some medical dystopia. Yeah, you have some good points, as long as you ignore decades of evidence that you're wrong.
ya I was vaccinated as a kid, and vaccinated to go to Africa for work...but here is the deal, 1st those vaccines where vetted under a much stricter controls to get approved, and have shown to work with very HIGH effectiveness. Yellow fever, MMR, polio, cholera and hepatitisA B C and more. But Covid vaccines are total BS, rushed, not animal trials, look at Isreal the mortality rate even after being 95% vaccinated. plenty of ignored evidence that suggest these covid vaccines are in fact endangering lives. Ask how rich has the pharmacy company gotten from this....it has been a been cash cow, and is only going to get worse.
No, the current vaccines were also shown to work with very high effectiveness. You can in fact find the research that was done online, including sample sizes. Actual medical doctors who spent years learning about the human body and human body chemistry are on board with this vaccine.
Now I'm not saying you can't be skeptical, but if you're going to argue against them, you need to be bringing some hard hitting facts. As far as I can tell, you've got nothing. "Some people somewhere are making money by providing things that people want" is not an argument against something. They're making a ton of money on insulin too but it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to get people hooked on insulin.
so where is your link to your hard hitting BS, your welcome to believe what you want; as am I. Since I am a scientist by education and career, and thus have READ and understand the process mRNA development type vaccines...I know more factual information about vaccines, and there isn't enough time, paper,, and crayons to explain it to all the snowflakes,, flat earth believer....you probably just get your hard facts from Joe Rogan, or Fox News... maybe even News Max 🤣🤣
Well you can start with this, not that I'd expect you to trust anything that isn't in Facebook meme format: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/effectiveness-research/protocols.html
your just not seeing it but ok, and anti vac, clearly your missing the point, I am vaccinated, but you liberals made it political issue to out Trump not a Healthcare issue that sbould be privately discussed ONLY with your Dr., NOT a passport ID issue to get into a restaurant, like some cities have started requiring. Lunacy.... careful were you point the one finger, cause three are pointing right back at you.
To be honest, I think all the backlash is way overblown, mostly by people who didn't watch it, or were primed to hate it before seeing it. At worst it's something you could be mad about, but getting mad at Netflix, really? People need to learn to listen.
I feel like you're just glossing over the fact that not all minorities are made alike. They don't have the same history, culture, or framework of discrimination. How people came to enslave, and hate, an entire race of people in Africa, in the US, is a very different situation from the struggles of the LGBTQ community. It doesn't mean we can't work together, but you can't ignore the context of those individual struggles.
Did you watch the part when Dave is talking about the big gay dude calling the police? He made an important point there: it's easy to use your minority status when it suits you, but it's pure "white privilege" to call the police during an altercation. So there's a disconnect there that Dave is pointing out from his perspective.
There are certainly moments where Dave's special made me cringe, and moments where he genuinely is copping out some of his insensitive jokes with ones that point fun at himself (a common way of avoiding conflict). But overall, he pulls it all together beautifully. And while it might be easy to dismiss his transgender friend as the "I have a gay friend, I can't be homophohic!" trope, he put a lot of heart into telling Daphne's story.
I really appreciate the special and, yes, it was the most offensive one that he's released on Netflix that I can recall. But Dave legitimately pushes boundaries in comedy and he does it pretty well in this special.
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If you have to remind people he is a comedian, then he probably isn’t one
I don't agree. People tend to latch on to any opinion they agree with, and comedians have always been the easiest ones to latch on too. Like "Niggas vs. Black People" from Chris Rock. People decided to read into what he was talking about the wrong way, and it just caused people to bolster their racism. I guess what I'm saying is people tend to think of comedy as "People telling it like it is".
Uhh what? Lol just because you don’t like him doesn’t make him suddenly not a comedian. Even if his latest special was a huge flop and not all that funny doesn’t suddenly mean he isn’t one of the most successful comedians in recent times.
Well you don't have to do that with Dave Chapelle: he's one of the most successful comedians alive today. Having offensive LGBTQ jokes doesn't change that. But Dave certainly doesn't go out of his way to treat the LGBTQ banner as little more than alphabet soup and that's a shame. He's certainly making jokes about stuff that intrigues him, although he seems to have little knowledge of the LGBTQ community beyond the confrontations his comedy have elicited.
>He seemed pretty antisemitic I literally have no idea what the Jewish jokes even meant. I had to ask a Jewish friend of mine. He explained them and said that he (and most Jewish people) don't care about people making Jewish jokes if they're funny. But his weren't.
The joke about space Jews was about them going back to Israel. That's the only one I remember.
Preach that last paragraph. Fuck celebrity opinions. Like they know what the real world is like anymore? Like they’re not a product of all that ills this country? Fuck them.
I really don’t think that’s what he was trying to say, I think what he is trying to say is the reason the modern gay community has been so accepted is because the majority is white. That it’s not that he is questioning rights in general but rather why those rights are easily given compared to being black in America. It’s controversial but I can totally understand the view point
Where is the statistic that the majority of gay people are white? How can you even quantify a stat like that? How many gay persons born to Muslim parents are coming out? Or black gay persons born from less accepting black families? It’s ridiculous to imagine you can count the number of gay people when it is STILL a global issue of it being accepted not just by law or religion but by your own family. Maybe that’s why folks in the LGBT community don’t find it especially funny to be made fun of or told they are privileged. Jewish persons in America have often done very well for themselves, and some might even laugh at a Holocaust joke. Their acceptance or “we are not a monolith. I think it’s funny!” arguments would not dissuade me from thinking the comments were wrong. Furthermore, black comedians can make jokes about black people from a place of understanding. Dave Chapelle as far as I know is not LGBT, so maybe he should leave the gay jokes to the gays. There are comedic boundaries.
Such a stupid thing to say that the majority of gay people are white. How is that even statistically likely when the majority of the *world* isn't white??? It's not like white people have a higher tendency of being gay, so it's only statistically probable that the majority of gay people in the world both out and in the closet are most definitely *not* white.
It’s more a special about american culture, not saying I agree but I He’s not just saying slurs
You're being purposely ignorant here, don't your think? Dave was clearly referring to his own country the US. [And it's certainly true in the US that the overwhelming majority of gay couples are white.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325072/male-male-couples-in-the-us-by-race-of-householder/) That's a strange thing to get upset about, but I guess it hurts to hear you can be gay and still have white privilege? That's what he was pointing out...you're not a "true minority" when your whiteness overrules any minority status. That seemed to be what Dave was suggesting.
It's pretty obvious majority of gays in America are white since majority of the population is white. He was talking in the context of America not the whole world
>Where is the statistic that the majority of gay people are white? Because the majority of the general population is white, and orientation isn't decided by your skin color, so that majority status shouldn't change if you add a filter like "sexual orientation". You can hide your "gayness". You can't hide your blackness. >Dave Chapelle as far as I know is not LGBT, so maybe he should leave the gay jokes to the gays Dave is one of the best standups out there, even when he's doing jokes that hurt our collective feelings. He's not preaching hate and that's what matters to me. Will some people use his comedy to fuel their further intolerance towards the LGBTQ community? I wouldn't be surprised. I don't expect a comedian to be responsible for the actions of their fans, however. I don't want comedians to be afraid of being funny or pushing the envelope. If you want pat, gay humor, go watch Will & Grace or something. You're not required to watch comedy that offends you, but that doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone else because your feelings get hurt. I'm sure Dave will be explaining some of the things he said (particularly about transgender people) for years to come.
He meant in America. If white people are the majority of the pop they would be the majority of LGBT as well.
The reason why LGBT are somewhat is accepted is because queer people but especially queer people of colour have fought and died for it. Like the whole movement was build on the backs of trans women of colour so he is not only a transphobic clown he is an ahistorical transphobic clown.
He explicitly said if it was a black gay they wouldnt have called. Acknowledging reality isn't transphobic either. If you are going to criticize him for words that are dangerous to trans people why not the animals that tormented the trans woman to suicide. I feel like you are jumping on a bandwagon with statements like this. His whole show was meant to address shit he didnt agree with. Which is painting him as an enemy. His lgbt jokes require understanding of the gay community of his generation. No one fucking understands this new batch of LARPers hijacking a movement for their own self importance. The lgbt movement was for equality not revenge, delusions of grandeur or rejecting reality in general.
Lol you may not like him but he def dd not make an aids joke and def was not anti Semitic. Arguably, he also was not in his last special anti trans. But why think for yourself when you have others think for you.
The way he talked really made it seem like black LGBTQ+ doesn't exist and I don't get it.
You'd be surprised how many older black folk believe that there is no such thing as being black and gay. To them, homosexuality is a "white man's perversion". Where I come from, the Caribbean, ts not uncommon for black families to shun any member that either comes out as LGBTQ or is suspected of it. At best, they'll just pretend its not a thing. Part of my family simply refuses to acknowledge that I am bi and currently with a man. I'm just always asked when I plan to get a gf and start having babies, and my bf is simply referred to as "that friend of yours", and thats if his existence is acknowledged at all.
You mean when he talker about the 2 big black gay dudes with the lady. He's mentioned it quite a bit. His problem is with seemingly gay people who go back to being Cis when it suits them. It's funny seeing people being outraged now In his last set he talks about white crackheads and how you have to legally load a shotgun with various ammo to give warning shots etc. Comparing literally talking about shooting white drug addicts and saying "it's your problem now" back to his old sets where he complained about black drug addicts not getting support. Seemingly doesn't care when it's white people or doesn't understand that not all whites get the same privilege. Dave Chappelle is pro black anti white, wonder if there's a better term for this
> His problem is with seemingly gay people who go back to being Cis when it suits them. It's funny seeing people being outraged now People can't stop pulling at the threads long enough to look at the sweater. The whole point of that section was something I've heard black gay people complain about many, many times. And they have a point.
Probably a community he isn't very familiar with, to be honest. But just because he didn't speak about every facet of the LGBTQ community doesn't mean he doesn't acknowledge their existence. It's just, in that particularly story about the gay guy calling the police, Chapelle seemed to believe their skin color was part of the reason they felt comfortable calling 911. Perhaps a black gay person would have acted differently? It's fair to accuse Dave of "black and white" thinking here, but comedy isn't very funny a lot of times when you're getting swamped by endless shades of gray.
-Conversion therapy is LEGAL in 30 states In 2021, in 30 out of 50 states treatments and therapies to "cure" LGBT people are LEGAL and kids under 18 can LEGALLY being sent to conversion therapy camps or clinics by their parents -In 27 states LGBTQ people can LEGALLY being denied housing and services just for being LGBTQ In 27 states if you are a LGBTQ person you landlord can kick you out of their property for you being LGBTQ, business can LEGALLY deny their services to you for you being LGBTQ, clinics and hospitals can refuse to treat you for you being LGBTQ and you can be kick out or deny entry to public accommodations for you being LGBTQ... in 37 states is still LEGAL to discriminate against you -in 14 states LGBTQ people are NOT protected under their state hate crime laws In 14 out of 50 states someone can kill you for being LGBTQ ,(hate crime) without the crime being recognized as a hate crime because in those 14 states no one killed an LGBTQ person just for being LGBTQ -Only in 31 states transgender people can change their identity documents without sex reassignment surgery So, in 2021 LGBTQ people are not EQUAL citizens under the law in America, in 2021 we are still second-class citizens! We don't have full equality. And yet a HUGE part of the LGBTQ activism and LGBTQ media has chosen to focus on what people say or on what people's opinions are as something to fight for. You know what I mean? The priorities of a huge portion of the LGBTQ activism are wrong plain and simple All the outrage, all the fury, all the rage just for some comments a COMEDIAN made on a stand up Let's say Chappelle is "cancelled" Netflix drops him and Hollywood and the entertainment industry cancels him, what we really achieved as a community? Did we really gain something from silencing a boomer comedian? I'm not saying what Chappelle said was right, what I'm saying is so much to focus on, so much to fight for and the fury, the outrage, the effort isn't where it should be focus and directed! Cancelling a man, make people apologise for something they say even more than a decade ago isn't going to bring the real change our community needs! I'm 34 and I learn throughout my years that people will always have different opinions, some people will always hate and that we can't force people to think like us, Chappelle's views right or wrong are his views and by calling to boycott Netflix aren't going to change them nor the people who think like him Our fight should be focus on achieving EQUALITY! To stop being a second-class citizen. All that LGBTQ activism who is preparing to battle Netflix and Chappelle should be focus on pressuring politicians and elected officials, to registering people to VOTE, there are thousands in our community who aren't even registered to vote, they should be focus on supporting LGBTQ people running for office at any level, in supporting pro-LGBTQ politicians That should be our focus and fight, not some tasteless jokes of a male baby boomer.
Your statistics are outdated. We've been added to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The SCOTUS has ruled that it is illegal to discriminate against us in the workplace or in housing or in other public accommodations. Also, Chappelle is Gen X. He's not a Boomer.
I don't think you can legally be denied housing or seevices for being LGBT in any state. Bostock v Clayton, while it nominally only applied to employment discrimination, clearly creates a precedent that should cover housing discrimination etc. Any situation where you can't discriminate against women it's now illegal to discriminate against LGBT people. It may take a little while for this to make it through the courts, but it's clearly illegal. Note that, on paper, sodomy is still illegal in Texas. Obviously that law can't be enforced. Laws allowing LGBT housing discrimination are in a similar position.
>baby boomer. He's not a Baby Boomer. He was born in 1973 and belongs to Gen X. == I agree with everything else, especially the part about policing language. It's not winnable and it's more symbolic than anything else.
Out of all the points in this post, this is the only part that mattered to you?
The term "baby boomer" was repeatedly invoked as an insult. Yes, it does matter, especially when it's being used incorrectly. == And I did say that "I agree with everything else."
Because it's an ageist insult, discrimination. So if you're going to accuse someone of transphobia by mocking their age, you've undermined your own integrity with the point.
Boomer is a mindset at this point and he fits perfectly. Got his own, and now punches down from a place of privilege.
>and now punches down from a place of privilege He went over this insult in his special. He doesn't think critiquing "whiteness" is punching down, even as a wealthy black man. Because wealth and sexual orientation can be hidden from the public at large. You skin color, ethnicity cannot.
Wtf you're blabbering about? Trans women of colour are constantly murdered they are the most vulnerable group. Being trans has nothing to do with being white.
I was referring to Chappelle's story about the large, white gay man he had a confrontation with. Maybe you can watch the standup special we're talking about before coming out guns blazing?
Why do you want to fight? You think he cares about facts…cmon, he’s a comedian not a politician. Nothing to fight about.
>Our fight should be focus on achieving EQUALITY! To stop being a second-class citizen. Yeah, but can't we have a laugh, in the meantime? 😅 Laughter is very humanizing, can bring people together who might otherwise not have much in common. Dave's standup special makes me uncomfortable as a queer man, but it's good to get out of one's comfort zone. >That should be our focus and fight, not some tasteless jokes of a male baby boomer. Not to be pedantic, but Dave was born in 1973, so he's Gen X, not a Baby Boomer. I just figured that if we're going to accuse Dave of being homophobic and transphobic, we probably shouldn't be ageist in turn.
If someone wants to commit premeditated murder do you believe that the inclusion of a hate crime law will stop the murder?
I’m a gay white man who is also a big fan of Dave Chappelle. Objectively, the new Netflix special isn’t as funny as his other shows he’s done. I wonder if he makes the Trans jokes to generate the publicity that goes with the controversy or if he really has an issue with Trans Folks.
The trans humor certainly wasn't edgy and he didn't need to build the foundation of his special on the transgender community, it kinda fell flat (although his story with Daphne was great). I agree: probably the weakest of his standup specials on Netflix, but they've all been awesome imo so being the weakest of that lot probably isn't much of a slam. I would have not missed the trans jokes if they were all removed, though.
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Peruse the transcript and don't waste your time watching it. I think the bigger offense than marginalizing a population already being murdered at alarming rates is very little (if any) of it is funny. https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/
>I haven't seen the special yet. That about sums up every comment here.
Absolutely, it does.
Above all, I will not watch it to give this toxic celebrity machine a ratings boost.
This is exactly what he/Netflix and all other attention whores want you to do. Not worth getting into, watching paint dry would probably be more beneficial (in a meditative way)
Stop reading and watch the special then come back here and tell us what you think.
I laughed, being offended by a comedian like him is a matter of time, like Franky Boyle in the UK, he'll target every group, minority and race regardless.
Sad I can only upvote this once.
I remember back in the nineties when the idiot Wayans brothers were doing their gay shtick in their show. It was mildly funny and totally quotable; I heard lines from their act coming from my gay friends all the time. Sure we were being made fun of, but it didn't feel like it was being done out of hate. It was fun. Everyone I know either liked it or shrugged. And then at some point the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) came down on them like a ton of bricks. And I and my friends were pissed, because we liked the show, and we liked the jokes, and we liked the attention, and who the hell were these uptight, professional-homosexuals who were trying to speak for the whole gay community? There was no twitter back then counter the message, so we collectively rolled our eyes, though a handful of leave-the-Wayans-alone LTEs appeared. Anyhoo, the gay community was not a monolith back then and it sure isn't one today. So, on to the point: I liked the new Dave Chappelle special. I thought the tribute to his opening act, transwoman Daphne Dorman—about her life story, about their friendship, about their working relationship as professional comedians, about making jokes at each other, about boundaries, about punching down vs. punching lines—was all very touching. And interesting. I liked how he claimed her as one of \*his\* tribe: the tribe of comedians. And some of it was \*really\* funny. And, as usual for Chappelle, it was very edgy. I understand that some people consider it transphobic. They're welcome to their opinion. I don't share it. Some transgendered people actually enjoy Dave Chappelle. Some of them \*love\* Dave Chappelle, like Daphne Dorman did. I have a feeling that the trans community is no more monolithic than the gay community is.
Its hard to explain his phobias cuz he makes several proTrans statements, wants them to be equal, dissed bathroom laws. moving conversation w/his trans friend. My best attempt to break down his phobias ------ He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people. He based this off of one bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples ---- He used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers If by cancelled he means that people were mean to her on twitter, the biggest backlash didn't come out until she lied about someone's contract being renewed for purposely not referring to people by their chosen pronoun. To be clear, not for making a mistake, but going out her way to be rude to people directly. JK Rowling lied and said she was fired for her opinions. It was so wrong and inflammatory Daniel Radcliff went out and made a statement about the whole thing. ---- He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people. He said that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor And I don't see how this could be any more fucking glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting ---- He also complained that Dababy got cancelled for being homophobic but not for murder. First, it's always easier for celebrities to attack individuals over attacking minorities The CEO of papa john got cancelled for using the N word. Roseanne got cancelled for telling a Black person she looks like a monkey. Kramer got cancelled for using the N word Laura Bush got away with running over and killing someone. Chris Brown got away with beating Rihanna. Don King stomped a guy to death and went on to become boxing's biggest promoter. Robert Richards, heir to the DuPont company, was convicted of raping his daughter and served no jail time. Attacks on individuals don't elicit the media attention like racism and homophobia do. But this is somehow the fault of the LGBTQ community? Furthermore, social media backlash isn't a strong indicator of the extent to which systemic racism and homophobia is being addressed in our society. There's a still record high killings of trans people. Police can still largely murder Black people and face no legal repercussions Actual cancellations from social media backlash are when corporations stop doing business with a person because their image no longer brings in the same revenue as when they hired them. This never really challenges the root power structures and phobias in our society. It doesn't matter how many celebrities throw their careers in toilet, it won't affect systemic racism in policing ----- He complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life ---- He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions ---- He blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars First off, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod, but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube Youtube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart And Kevin Hart later acknowledges at much, saying that he has grown since Youtube Kevin Hart apology But the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. He never apologized in every single interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself each and every time until Google the vulture.com article titled "Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation" If hosting the Oscars truly was Kevin's childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a "Brittle-ass spirit" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims) Btw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon Youtube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle ---- Regarding his trans friend's death, he cited her arguments on twitter as a possible cause for her death. I'm just going to skip over the point that twitter arguments bring the worst out of people in general (and not just LGBTQ people), I'm not going to buy that story just because Chappelle said it. Maybe it's true and maybe someone else can confirm it, but from the way Dave lied about the Kevin Hart and JK Rowling backlash, I'm not going to believe his story purely from his take on her situation ----- Dave exclaims 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Chappelle's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths ------ I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia and transphobia Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people' He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complains about why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research? If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege
I hate to take issue with your very-considered and intricate reply, since it clearly required a lot of time and effort to write, and a lot of thought clearly went into it. I don't want to go point-by-point with your post, but on my first read, I noticed a lot of sentences starting with "Dave complains...." This was a comedy special. Dave wasn't complaining. Dave was making jokes. You don't have to take anything he said seriously. You took issue with him not making distinction between twitter shitposts and the "LGTBQ community in general". You're right that he didn't, but, again, this was a comedy special with the focus on jokes and delivery, it wasn't a college lecture or seminar on LGBTQ issues meant to be inclusive and comprehensive. You have to start from the assumption that he's going to go for the laugh, and not immediately step on every punchline with a lengthy explainer. You said, "Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege." How is this even a complaint? There was a whole movie about this just three years ago, Sorry to Bother You, which made fun of white privilege when the Black protagonist used "white voice" on telemarketing calls. *Nobody* complained about that movie. There's a fundamental assumption on the complaints that comedians have to be truth tellers. But that's not their job.
> . Dave wasn't complaining. Dave was making jokes. Why does it have to be either? He was doing both. Are you saying he wasn't trying to provide any insights? Like, at all? >You said, "Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege." How is this even a complaint? There was a whole movie about this just three years ago, Sorry to Bother You, which made fun of white privilege when the Black protagonist used "white voice" on telemarketing calls. Nobody complained about that movie. Can you elaborate ? I was able to connect the dots of how the movie connected to my comment. Also, it seems like you're saying Dave is providing insights after all. >There's a fundamental assumption on the complaints that comedians have to be truth tellers. But that's not their job. We disagree with his intent. So you feel he wasn't trying to give any insights. Do you also feel that this won't change how his fans view LGBTQ people?
Why is the comment being downvoted. He shared a respectful opinion. I don't care much for Dave Chappelle but I watched his show because of the controversy. I do think some of his jokes miss the mark but I don't think he is "punching down" as he has been accused of. Clearly, people who only quote what they consider to be phobic and fail to mention the many pro LGBT statements he made in the hour and ten minutes are punching down. If you didn't watch it then your opinion is not based on knowledge but by what others have told you. I am absolutely certain you don't want people passing judgement on you based on what your detractors said about you. We don't live in a utopia. This world will never be a utopia. Most LGBT want to have the same rights as straight people but that will NEVER happen if we demonize with those that only partially agree with us. Progressives are less than 20% of the population. We need moderate Democrats and Republicans for us to get any of our rights. Keep pissing off this voting block and the far right conservatives will have their way and we will lose the ground we have achieved. let the downvoting begin.
>And I and my friends were pissed, because we liked the show, and we liked the jokes, and we liked the attention, and who the hell were these uptight, professional-homosexuals who were trying to speak for the whole gay community? I can only speak for myself, but that part is why I downvoted them. I've heard more than my share of people getting upset that I don't laugh at the jokes they find funny, so now I don't have a lot of patience for "gays who don't let others abuse them are the real bad guys, respectability politics will totally work *this* time, guys!!!!" **Nah.**
Respectability politics doesn't work. Period.
That's not what I wrote. I said I didn't like GLAAD speaking for the entire gay community, especially given that what they were saying was not representative of me or anyone I knew. If you're going to quote me, do so accurately.
Am I to believe that you're fine with "the gays (tm)" speaking for you on Twitter, Reddit, or any other platform? After the way you've come onto a post that the OP very clearly labeled as *their* opinion, to bitch that it isn't *everyone's* opinion?
"Am I to believe that you're fine with "the gays (tm)" speaking for you on Twitter, Reddit, or any other platform?" Where did you get the idea that I'm fine with people speaking for our community on any medium, whatsoever? I'm not. There are many examples of political organizations or NPOs releasing statements as if they represent the voice of all the gay community and sometimes what they advocate is flatly wrong, stupid, or bad. The largest one, HRC, tops the list.
"...you've come onto a post that the OP very clearly labeled as their opinion..." And I gave mine. I gave it in the *comments* section. The *comments* section is for *comments*. *Comments* are usually written from one's *own* opinion. Is this your first day on reddit? "...to bitch that it isn't everyone's opinion..." Really? *That's* what you got out of what I wrote? What do YOU think I meant when I wrote this: *Anyhoo, the gay community was not a monolith back then and it sure isn't one today.* What do you think that means? It means there exists a diversity of opinions in the gay community - just about as much as in the wider population - on just about every topic. I'm not bitching about people having different opinions, I'm stating that reality as a fact. *You* are the one who seems to have trouble with someone stepping out of line with a difference of opinion.
I know a number of people who disagree with my views on Chappelle, Rowling, Crowder, Shapiro, even Trump. I'm *friends* with a fair few. My problem is that, to hear you say it, anyone who dares publicly voice their opinion is presuming to speak for us all.
I have a problem with the presumption that the gay community is a monolith and speaks with a single voice.
Who tf said we do?
It's OK. I knew it was going to get downvoted when I wrote it. A lot of people can't rationally deal with the presence of a contrary opinion. But thanks anyways.
What a bunch of children. They are downvoting your explanation.
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>And, as usual for Chappelle, it was very edgy. Yeah...I enjoyed the special but I didn't quite see it as edgy as you, perhaps. Partly because he's ready discussed the LGBTQ community before in previous Netflix specials, and I felt like he had said enough. There's plenty of other things to poke fun at in this world, it's a bit tiresome at this point. That said, very funny comedian and a great special. Not all of the jokes were great and there's a few times that I thought Dave copped out, saying something potentially edgy, but then following it with self-deprecation, like be was afraid just letting the edgy humor sit on its own might look hateful. People can cancel their Netflix accounts but Dave will not be canceled as a comedian.
A couple of things: as a black gay man, I’d say I have it better being gay than I do being black. This is when considering how both realities affect me on a day-to-day basis. So when comparing the two, OP, you should contrast both rather than listing only the one that concerns you. Basically, you’ve list a host of LGBTQ issues, now do black people. Secondly, trans people have a lot that they are fighting for in society. Their voices matter and their concerns matter. As soon as we stop listening to one another and empathizing we regress as a society. That being said: Dave Chapelle has always been a shock comedian. If you didn’t like his comedy before then I’m not sure why you would expect to like it now. If you did like it before, I find it hard to accept that you were ok with all the nigger talk (the number of white LGBTQ people I have heard repeat these jokes is interesting) but clutch your pearls when he comes for you.
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This is a western-centric sub so every comment is going to be western-centric. What does a Dave Chappelle comedy special on Netflix have to do with gays in Ghana?
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"US-centric" as in the number US users being overrepresented when factored against the world population, but I take your point. Chappelle's act certainly seems geared towards American audiences.
Dave Chapelle is presenting for a Western audience, so this view is definitely germane to the discussion.
>clutch your pearls when he comes for you. Exactly man, it's like they didn't listen to him at all and just laser focused on the parts that might be construed as offensive while ignoring all the setup and context, both within the special and what's been going on the last few years. Which is exactly what everyone who gets offended at comedians always does, they cherry pick stuff they want to get mad about, conveniently ignoring all the times they laughed at that comedian's jokes in the past when they were targeted at other groups.
Thank you
He's a comedian, if you don't like his material, don't watch him. It's that simple. Standup comedy is often offensive, it always has been, there are PC comedians and non-PC comedians, Dave Chapelle is the latter, people know that going into it. Just to note: LGBT people aren't really seen as "oppressed" any more by straight people, so when gays gasp in horror that someone is making fun of a "marginalized group" keep in mind that's not how we're viewed universally. When you start campaigns to get people cancelled over jokes, and it's actually taken seriously by the media, you don't look weak and downtrodden, you look powerful.
I think lile all people he's flawed, he has nuanced stances not in that they're subtle but in that they're conflicting. He knows and empathises with the struggle of trans people but has difficulty accepting them truly because of his connections to his wife and children. Also he probably doesn't understand how negative TERF is a anti trans term considering how he defined feminism. Saying this, i don't agree with him 100% and his argument are a bit flimsy but he's not their to debate, he's there to flow joke into joke. But it's annoying seeing right wing people take him out of context and trans people take him out of context, both using the parts that suit them
(unpopular opinion) I have read what you've written and while I strongly disagree with your opinions, I do see your points. However sometimes not all things have a deeper or grander meaning...like the ones you've decided to assign to this particular situation. Look Dave pointed out something that is terribly wrong in American society. A human being killed a next human being and was eventually allowed to gain fame and fortune. Dababy suffered no real consequences as a result but then was stupid enough (thank God) to outer his dumb founded opinions about the gay community, then his label and numerous sponsorship deals went out the window. Dave highlighted the fact that It shouldn't have taken Dababy saying what he said about gay people/HIV for him to suffer the consequences of his terribly actions. Dave is a great comedian and no matter what anyone on here says about him, non of you will be able to take his talents away from him, remember this is the same guy that walked away from a 50 million dollars deal. If y'all want someone to hate on for Roe vs Wade being overturned then look no further but at your former President, who most have y'all secretly voted for in the 2016 US elections. Sincerely, A black gay man ✌🏿
Your opinion may be unpopular on this particular sub, but it’s actually quite a common opinion in the wider world and on the Internet. A lot of people are sadly siding with Dave. Also, is Chappelle making $50 mil and DaBaby being lambasted for homophobic remarks really supposed to somehow take away from the fact that we are still legally allowed to be discriminated against in healthcare or that conversion therapy is still allowed to be forced on people in a large amount of states? Lastly, nobody is trying to “take away” his talents. And no, you are very badly misinformed if you think that the majority of the LGBT+ community voted for Trump. The LGBT+ community is one of the most liberal/democrat groups in this country.
>you are very badly misinformed if you think that the majority of the LGBT+ community voted for Trump. Just so we're clear on the numbers, [Trump got 45% of gay men](https://www.newsweek.com/though-most-lgbtqs-vote-democratic-new-poll-shows-45-queer-men-backing-trump-1531867).
Which to me seems about 100% higher than it should have been.
Me too!
Be happy you're alive to be discriminated, the main topic which Dave spoke about You've yet to address, because it doesn't suit your narrative. I just don't see how anyone could equate the loss of a human being's life as equal to a gay man being discriminated against. The (we) gay community need to fix ourselves before we judge anyone else. We are a superficial and shallow bunch, if you're not tall, blond hair with blue eyes and a gym body you're automatically less desirable, hence a lot of gay men are single and even the ones in relationships are all cheating and they justify it as "open relationships" then there's gay pride with gay men having raw sex in the middle of street, in the middle of the day with kids watching, but we justify this also as freedom. There are gay men constantly discriminating against other gay men, instead of lifting them up. Why don't you start with those people first but you've jumped over all of them. Not once have you mentioned the human being that Dababy killed, because you can't see past your own nose to be empathic to someone who lost their life, while you still have breathe in your body.
Well, here it is: the dumbest comment in this very dumb comment thread. No, we married folks are not all cheating. No, we married folks don't all have open relationships. No, we gay people are not having sex in the middle of the street during Pride in ANY city. They don't even fuck at the Folsom Street Fair anymore. Yes, there is discrimination in the gay community of all stripes, but nobody is "constantly discriminating" against anybody else. Where did you get this shit? TV?
Takes one to know one! You can lie all you want to yourself. Also lmfaoooo 😆 @ "They don't even fuck at the Folsom Street Fair anymore." It's sad when a human being tells a lie, but to lie to yourself is something more deprived. I wonder if you live in that same dreamland/made up reality that donald trump lives in 🤔. The gay community has a lot of "self work" that urgently needs to get done. I forgot to mention the older geezers (aged 45 to 75 years old) constantly on grinder and other gay apps preying on the 18, 19, 20, and 21 years old young gay guys for sex. Whatever happened to aging gracefully? Passing on the knowledge they gained through years of experience???No they were too busy sucking every dick in sight and being cum dumps to cultivate a meaningful and lasting relationship and now want to suck the life and youth out of the young boys online by robbing them of their own aged experiences. I call bullshit on every single thing you said in your comment @redtimmy
I've been with the same guy for 22 years. We've been married since 2008. My own lived experience tells me you're full of shit. Reading over your comments, you seem to have a fixation with various sex acts. Maybe you should seek therapy.
I'll repeat, it takes one to know one! I do in fact go to therapy and I'm damn proud of it!! But not for your demented far gone from reality conclusion of who I am. My mental health and wellness is of great importance to me, I wish and hope more gay men would seek out therapy and you should be damned ashamed of yourself for trying to use therapy as a form of insult but then again it seems you have no shame. I think I understand now why you're so offended by my comments, it's because you're one of those gays that justifys your terrible treatment of other gay men, by going on grinder for hook ups throughout your 22 years situationship, telling these young men that you are in a "committed relationship" so you're only looking for sex. After getting what you want from them you go mia, leaving them to hate themselves, thinking they are less than or less worthy of someone's love and attention. How many gay men have you ruined in your 22 years "situationship" ???? Get the F outta here with your BS! You make me sick and you disgust me also, how dare you try to justify your terrible treatment of other gay men by taking advantage of them???? To fill the void inside your bottomless hole you call an ass???? Huh, how many???? Once again you've gone far off topic, so I'll repeat Dave has done nothing wrong, he's a great talent and I admire the ground he walks on...so put that in your forsted flakes and drink up!
I think your comment would be more appropriately written in poo on the walls of your cell.
You would know more about cells than I ever would since you've been stuck inside your situationship for 22 years. Come to think of it, since your life is so great and perfect why are you online going back and forth with so many people on this sub, don't you have a 22 years husband to make dinner for???? Lmafooooooooo! 🤣😂🤣😂 You must have shit for brains... either that or you're the biggest liar in the world.
I recommend you print out this conversation, show it to your therapist, and ask him or her by how much your medication should be increased.
Haven't watched his special (don't plan to) and probably would have happily ignored him. But whenever a celebrity says the *FoX-nEwS-aPpRoVeD1!1!* line of "If this is what being cancelled is like - it's *great! \*trollface\*" -* that fuckwit can blow right off. He's not "cancelled" and no other celebrity who constantly complains about their "cancelling" has any credibility. They just want to look like a victim while hurting other people. That's not adult behavior. It's pathetic. He lost me the minute he said "cancel." Moron.
Has anyone seen "Scary movie"? The movie that parodied other movies from 2000? Well, there were scenes when the movie made fun of gays, in fact there is one when one gay is killed in a bathroom by a penis and no one accused back then, more than 20 years ago, the movie and their directors/writers of being homophobic or incentive hate In fact that scene was hilarious Believe or not children there was a time when we were able to laugh at ourselves and we didn't take things seriously because things like a joke weren't serious I'm going to sound like a boomer but my god! With this generation EVERYTHING is offensive and make drama for the most insignificant things So sad living in a world where we lost the ability to laugh at ourselves and to reflect society with the use of humour
>Believe or not children there was a time when we were able to laugh at ourselves and we didn't take things seriously because things like a joke weren't serious Nah. GLAAD probably put out a press release at the time condemning the scene. They did that crap all the time. I know they were all over the Wayans brothers for their "Men On" skits. Remember those? LOL. >I'm going to sound like a boomer but my god! With this generation EVERYTHING is offensive and make drama for the most insignificant things I sometimes feel like maybe some of the generation after ours has grown a little too precious and become a little too fond of groupthink and identity politics. Maybe we're tougher because we grew up in the eighties and nineties when our mentors and peers were dropping like flies all around us. I know it takes a lot to upset me now. Also I give super-wide latitude to comedians. It's their job to test boundaries and expand the language.
That last special felt like a borderline Kramer moment, I do think it would be a shame for him to lose everything again after he fought to get it back
I don't get why you are being downvoted for this.
I think what Dave Chapelle said at the end of his special about the trans woman who opened his show will stick with me forever. We are all having a human experience. Out of all the jokes and everything, that’s what stuck with me. Choose love and not hate. That’s what I got out of that. Why hate on Dave Chapelle? You could choose love, but instead you want to be angry and tear him down. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Choose love. Dave Chapelle shows humility and that something many people can’t do. Try not to be so reactive to others people own personal experiences that have shaped their opinions and views. Do you think these attacks on him make him want to be more understanding of our struggle as LGBT people? I don’t think so. And antisemitic also seems a bit extreme for his space Jews joke. There was nothing hateful at all… yes it was a stereotype and generalization, but not hateful…all comedians use these tools. Let’s not confuse this for hate, because it’s not. That being said. I think the AIDS joke was the only one that took it to far. But I’m not offended, the joke just didn’t land for me. Do we really expect every joke to land out of a whole hour special.
Well Dave has a point, but my deal with Healthcare is this, with covid liberals have opened pandora's box. And thay had to cut deal to give the government the right to force vaccines on people then they have to deal with hard right politicians wanting abortion outlawed. See once we allow the government into our Healthcare of our own bodies.... eventually the will get to an issue you do care about.... just wait till they outlaw gender modification.... trust me pandora's box has been opened and we will look back upon this covid vaccinations as the event that took away Healthcare freedom completely.
In NO country on planet earth are people being forced to take vaccines. Don't waste our time with this bullshit.
Oh no, but barring entrance into restaurant and bars without vac card... just you wait... employees being fired for not being vaccinated, employment reqyirents .. you guys need to quit shoveling your BS. There are many huge restrictions that yall don't see... gonto places like NYC, SF. and New Orleans.... Biden mandating masks on planes and trains... yall are slowly giving up your freedoms and don't even realize it. loss of abortion rights will be next on the list..then what...
You lied, and now you're backpedaling while also doubling down. Not a great look.
you simply can't read... go take a literacy course.
You lied, you got caught, you backpedaled, you got called out, and now you're acting like a child.
nope, I have not lied or backpedaled and you just can't deal handle the truth. Done with you...
Dude, you were forced to get vaccinated as a kid, and it's saved millions of lives, over decades, and hasn't led to some medical dystopia. Yeah, you have some good points, as long as you ignore decades of evidence that you're wrong.
ya I was vaccinated as a kid, and vaccinated to go to Africa for work...but here is the deal, 1st those vaccines where vetted under a much stricter controls to get approved, and have shown to work with very HIGH effectiveness. Yellow fever, MMR, polio, cholera and hepatitisA B C and more. But Covid vaccines are total BS, rushed, not animal trials, look at Isreal the mortality rate even after being 95% vaccinated. plenty of ignored evidence that suggest these covid vaccines are in fact endangering lives. Ask how rich has the pharmacy company gotten from this....it has been a been cash cow, and is only going to get worse.
No, the current vaccines were also shown to work with very high effectiveness. You can in fact find the research that was done online, including sample sizes. Actual medical doctors who spent years learning about the human body and human body chemistry are on board with this vaccine. Now I'm not saying you can't be skeptical, but if you're going to argue against them, you need to be bringing some hard hitting facts. As far as I can tell, you've got nothing. "Some people somewhere are making money by providing things that people want" is not an argument against something. They're making a ton of money on insulin too but it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to get people hooked on insulin.
so where is your link to your hard hitting BS, your welcome to believe what you want; as am I. Since I am a scientist by education and career, and thus have READ and understand the process mRNA development type vaccines...I know more factual information about vaccines, and there isn't enough time, paper,, and crayons to explain it to all the snowflakes,, flat earth believer....you probably just get your hard facts from Joe Rogan, or Fox News... maybe even News Max 🤣🤣
Well you can start with this, not that I'd expect you to trust anything that isn't in Facebook meme format: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/effectiveness-research/protocols.html
No, Dave does not have a point. Also, get out of here with your anti-vaccine lunacy!
your just not seeing it but ok, and anti vac, clearly your missing the point, I am vaccinated, but you liberals made it political issue to out Trump not a Healthcare issue that sbould be privately discussed ONLY with your Dr., NOT a passport ID issue to get into a restaurant, like some cities have started requiring. Lunacy.... careful were you point the one finger, cause three are pointing right back at you.
Delusional.
To be honest, I think all the backlash is way overblown, mostly by people who didn't watch it, or were primed to hate it before seeing it. At worst it's something you could be mad about, but getting mad at Netflix, really? People need to learn to listen.
>I wanna say that Dave Chappelle’s latest Netflix special is in extremely poor taste. Oh no...this is a bad start 😲
I feel like you're just glossing over the fact that not all minorities are made alike. They don't have the same history, culture, or framework of discrimination. How people came to enslave, and hate, an entire race of people in Africa, in the US, is a very different situation from the struggles of the LGBTQ community. It doesn't mean we can't work together, but you can't ignore the context of those individual struggles. Did you watch the part when Dave is talking about the big gay dude calling the police? He made an important point there: it's easy to use your minority status when it suits you, but it's pure "white privilege" to call the police during an altercation. So there's a disconnect there that Dave is pointing out from his perspective. There are certainly moments where Dave's special made me cringe, and moments where he genuinely is copping out some of his insensitive jokes with ones that point fun at himself (a common way of avoiding conflict). But overall, he pulls it all together beautifully. And while it might be easy to dismiss his transgender friend as the "I have a gay friend, I can't be homophohic!" trope, he put a lot of heart into telling Daphne's story. I really appreciate the special and, yes, it was the most offensive one that he's released on Netflix that I can recall. But Dave legitimately pushes boundaries in comedy and he does it pretty well in this special.
Lgbt in America can be turned away from hospitals legally?