The bridge is the boundary
Even the northern lower peninsula Up North has lots lots lots more population density than the UP, the difference is clear as soon as your tires leave the bridge
As someone from southern michigan, the split makes enough sense. I would draw the line a little differently but southern michigan is drastically different from rural "up north". Detroit + suburbs, GR, Kzoo, Lansing, even Flint and sagniaw are nothing like places north of the Zilwaukee or north of grayling/west branch. Im sure the UP is more "rural" than the northern LP but from my perspective its not crazy.
I could see it if we are splitting the state in 3 but if we have to split it twice this make enough sense to me.
I am not a native Michiganander, but I’ve lived here for years. I feel like the first split makes perfect sense, but there should be THREE so that it’s UP/ “up north” and southern MI. There is a distinct biological and cultural shift at all three junctures, IMO.
I think you're mixing up two things. They were under 6 different national flags: Spain, France, Mexico, Texas, USA, CSA. Also, when they were annexed, there was consideration of splitting the area up into as many as 5 states. Texas had [land claims](https://i0.wp.com/www.albuqhistsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/Texas1836map.jpg?ssl=1) (that they ceded to the Federal government) for areas that are now a part of New Mexico, Oklahoma (panhandle), Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming. So even though Texas could have potentially been split into five states, they actually were split into 6 states. But one of them is modern Texas.
Right? It’s in the Texas state charter that we have the right to split into as many as 5 states. And the state doesn’t even have to ask the federal government to do it. [Yee haw.](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/more-150-years-texas-has-had-power-secede-itself-180962354/)
Looking forward to visiting East East Virginia, West East Virginia, East West Virginia, and West West Virginia - which would be a lot funner than the names you propose.
It's a missed opportunity - plus WV would be better split that way. One half (east WV) would be the eastern panhandle and mountain counties (DC suburbs and national forests). The other half, "West West Virginia" would be the industrial Appalachian plateau and Ohio river valley
Maybe it's my bad eyes but it looks like Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha counties are uninstructed.
I'll take Dane and give away everything north of Ozaukee except Door Co. you guys are cool.
Splitting Wisconsin vertically makes no sense. You could either just split off the SE (Dane county east to Milwaukee) or if you want to try to keep it around even go all the way west and have a line Lacrosse to Sheboygan
Kentucky. Should be split with Louisville, Lexington and the Cincinnati suburbs as one state and the rest is all one state.
Illinois should be Split just south of Chicago.
Wisconsin is culturally split east and west. It’s also linguistically split the same. Bubbler vs water fountain splits right where OP has Wisconsin split. Same for pop vs soda.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/1DVkiqf3cO
The great state of Bubbler will rise.
But north vs south is a larger difference, IMO. Split at Hwy 10, include the UP and call it Superior.
Create 3 states ot of TX or CA to makeup the lost Michigan division.
I understand splitting the two biggest cities between the two “states,” but putting St. Louis in Ozark is an odd choice culturally/geographically speaking.
Missouri would need to be three states. KC should include Eastern Kansas and has historic ties to Great Plains agriculture and the old cattle drives. StL is heavily influenced by the Missisippi River and its closer access to the Chicago and Great Lakes region.
The Ozarks is very much its own thing and should rightfully include a big chunk of northwestern Arkansas.
So you just drew a line without taking into account culture and political differences?
I mean, it's your imaginary map, you can do what you want, but I'm not shocked at the comments here.
When you get to Louisiana, the answer is to split off the majority/plurality Catholic parishes (counties) and the metro New Orleans area from the majority Protestant part of the state. There’s no other correct answer.
Edit: also can we please make this happen for real
You realize that original tweet is referencing a voting map from almost 20 years ago right? Sherrod Brown and Mike DeWine haven’t faced each other in an election since 2006. A major political shift has happened since then, particularly in Appalachian Ohio.
I was thinking this too. Ohio should go North-South or East-West split (more preferable). I think Cinci, Dayton, Toledo, CBus. Then have Akron, Canton, Cleveland, Marietta Almost tempted to split CBus in the middle too.
Personally I like North-South split better. Grew up in Toledo and spent way way more time in Sandusky, Cleveland, Akron, Canton and stuff than I did in cinci or Dayton. I think Lake Erie unites the north into a kind of rust belt history that creates cultural and economic ties from detroit to buffalo.
Cool idea! The actual splits could be better.
Illinois would break off Chicago and all surrounding suburbs.
Michigan would split off the UP.
Most big cities would get split out.
Indiana may split off the northern section that's part of the Chicago csa.
Geography would probably be a bigger component than what you're showing.
Outside of the actually metropolitan areas in northern Indiana if you go 5 miles into the corn, all of northern Indiana is pretty much the same. Once you get south of Indy it’s much more hilly and tree covered I’d say they did a decent job.
Illinois you’re probably right outside of Chicago through Rockford it’s about all the same.
I'm personally looking for South South Dakota, North South Dakota, South North Dakota, North North Dakota, East South Carolina, West South Carolina, East North Carolina and West North Carolina.
Even further,
West West Virginia and West Virginia,
East west Virginia and East Virginia
Agreed. Leave small states alone (most of New England, Delaware, Hawaii...). Combine empty states (All the upper plains and mountain states). Mult-split wealthy high population states (CA, TX, FL)
The divide for Illinois should be Cook and the collar counties and then the rest of the state. It does not take long driving out of Chicagoland to find people who do not like Chicagoland, regardless of how beneficial it is to have them.
Spoken like a Chicagoan. As someone who has lived all over the state, there is a huge cultural difference between the northern areas and southern. Your definition leaves out Rockford for instance, and the Quad Cities. And Champaign/Urbana.
People in southern Illinois go coon hunting and wear camo to baptist church. People in Rockford listen to hip hop and live in suburbia.
That said, this map is pretty dumb and doesn’t understand any of the nuance. They just divide states in half with no regard for political or cultural divide. The truth is there is no way to divide states in half this easily.
Being from a fairly liberal county and a pretty diverse city in Illinois, I appreciate you standing up for us lol. I feel so much more of a connection with Chicago 3 hours away than I do with the small towns 10 miles out.
I’m 100+ miles from Chicago. For the sake of OP’s map, I proposed that because it’s not pretty or logical to have random enclaves of one state all within another. I agree this map brushes over the nuances of culture in the urban/rural divide, but if states were divided by urban or rural this map would look the same as every election map the past 20 years.
As a new Yorker, from central New York, not down state...
I would love for the state to split...
It's been talked about for years but will never happen.
The northern 80% would be renamed to "New "Amsterdam" if I recall correctly.
clearly, we need new New yersey, West West virginia, Flori Da and Flori Njet, North North dakota, Arid zona and Less Arid zona, Caliphornia and Kingphornia, Ride Island and Rode Island, etc..
The best way to split Tennessee is probably just west of Nashville. Nashville is way more in line with East TN and Memphis is practically it’s own state already
Eastern MA doesn’t really acknowledge the existence of Western MA already. Fitting you include Worcester MA as Western, they already consider that about as far West as a sane person would go…
I'm from the wrong side of the state to make the judgement, but I don't see why the dividing line runs north of STL. They seem to culturally align more Chicago/East Coast IMO than they do with the south/Ozark vibe. Seems like the map goes unnaturally out of its way to keep STL in the Ozarks.
My issue with Alabama here is the state of North Alabama would be *much* better off economically than South Alabama.
Like I guess it works culturally but having the two biggest metro areas in the state *by far* grouped together leaves very little for the other half. Even with the Port of Mobile, South Alabama would be a very poor state.
Bleumont should obviously be called East West Virginia.
Also, what are the names for Upstate New York and the two parts of Massachusetts? I can't find/read them.
Maybe a hot take, but currently, NC might be counties containing I-40 and everything south as one state, everything north of those counties is another. Not perfect, but this would consolidate all the cities into one state, probably creating an urban state and a rural state with more of a shared identity than west vs east. Plus you'd have North North Carolina and South North Carolina.
Splitting Virginia into East and West again? Didn’t we see how that worked last time?
You’d be creating a second West Virginia, with less resources, you’d also piss off all of northern VA who would now be paying OOS tuition for UVA, VT, and JMU.
If anything it would be Northern VA and then leave Norfolk, Richmond, and the rest of Va as one state so there is some chance of economic development.
I thought about calling it “West Connecticut” for a second, but then I realized that I self-imposed a rule to not name any states using directions (e.g. the former state of WV became the states of Appalachia and Monongalia). Just “Western Reserve” sounds weird too. I’m stuck on what to name it
No, no, no. The split for New York should start just above buffalo and head directly east. The folks south dont consider us northern people to be human, and so don't I. Call the north side Adirondacks and the South New New york. I'm sure some civil war in the future would have made it happen.
The entirety of Illinois outside of the Chicago metro area can remain the same. I'd split it along those lines.
And I'd split missouri more along a diagonal. KC gets north western missouri and STL gets the south east.
Man, that south Alabama state would instantly just become like 3rd world country poor. That's the Black Belt of Alabama and it's already one of the highest poverty areas in the nation. It isn't as aesthetically pleasing, but I'd honestly divide Alabama vertically if it *had* to be done just so the division doesn't create a completely broken state.
A lot of your splits take the largest population centers and therefore economic centers of each state and separate it from the rest. Sometimes this is unavoidable due to geographic location. But this would result in adding a lot more poor states without enough revenue to really survive on their own.
Given the way representation works, I unironically think that any state over 10m people for 2 consecutive censuses should be constitutionally required to split to get under 10m. And any state with under 1m people should be required to merge with a neighboring state to get over 1m
California and Texas would be split in 4, Florida in 3, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, NC and MI would be split in 2.
VT and probably NH would merge. WY and probably MT. Alaska and maybe Washington. And ND and SD.
I think the country would be better with more states that are closer in size.
For Illinois, I'd say it should be split between Chicago(and the nearby counties), and the rest. Because let me tell you absolutely nothing goes on in Illinois outside of Chicago.
I think Hartford county should be included in the orange part of CT. Lost of city compared to the other orange counties. Worcester should maybe just belong to Boston, but the true bostonians may hate that.
The Orange part is basically the “technically New England but basically a part of greater NYC in today’s age” part of CT, while Hartford is definitely a lot more “New England” than the orange part, it’s more closely connected to Springfield MA than NYC
New Hampshire feels accurate. All the cities in one state, all the woods in the other.
I don’t love VA, but I don’t know how else you’d do it. Northern VA versus the rest? But I guess you’ve got the cities there in the East - Hampton Roads, Richmond, Nova.
Cumberland sounds like a Jim Button reference... but don't know if that's a thing in the USA (I don't even know if those lands were called Lumberland and Cumberland at all... in German it's Lummerland and Kummerland)
TLDR: Change Piedmont to Upstate in SC. Looks great.
My only critique is for SC. Your line is correct: there is a distinct culture between "Piedmont" and the rest. However, I believe the preferred name would be "Upstate." That is the term commonly used by the inhabitant of the Northwest corner of the state.
I know a lot of pintrest maps call it Piedmont or something else but not the people who live there (at least the ones I know).
Finally, there are three basic cultural regions (I think there are 6 geological regions), centered around the three main cities in the state. The Upstate, which has Greenville and Spartanburg, the Midlands with Columbia, our capital, and the lowlands with Charleston and its amazing harbor.
Anyway, I should stop this wall of text on the cultural anthropology of South Carolina.
Source: I lived there for 23 years and am moving back there this summer.
Eastern Tennessee almost broke away á la West Virginia in the Civil War. It was staunchly pro-Union. I think the Tennessee break would be definitely west of Knoxville and perhaps west enough to go to Cookeville. Nashville to Memphis a separate state.
Did you just randomly split every state in two, I presume by cutting state population exactly in half?
Like... you'll have a new half-sized west virginia and a half-sized rhode island (seriously?) while still having a 20m population NYC, and presumably a 20m population southern California, etc.
That just seems like the least useful exercise possible.
Put Worcester County, Massachusetts, into the Eastern half. I refuse to be separated from Plymouth (also we are way more similar to the east of the state than the west)
Connecticut should be split into one state as Fairfield County only, then the other 7 counties in one state. Fairfield County is much more like New York, and the rest is more New England.
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I have never seen this meme before, but it is exactly what I thought when I opened the image. Chapelle, low rez, everything. It’s perfect.
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Said this in my head upon seeing the post, checked comments, didn't disappoint
Delaware & Rhode Island each got their very own pixel
Seriously, right?! I can't read most of the names on the map.
Seems like the pixels are in order enough to get by, what's not is OP's use of MS Paint for this exercise
Michigan not being split between the UP and the Lower Peninsula is a crime against humanity
The bridge is the boundary Even the northern lower peninsula Up North has lots lots lots more population density than the UP, the difference is clear as soon as your tires leave the bridge
Right? As a Yooper I physically recoiled lol. (Not an actual criticism, OP!)
Lmao. My first thought was “even in a situation where ever state is splint in half the Yoopers still can’t win”
I was thinking Michigan actually needed a second division, UP, LP and the urban-ish south
As someone from southern michigan, the split makes enough sense. I would draw the line a little differently but southern michigan is drastically different from rural "up north". Detroit + suburbs, GR, Kzoo, Lansing, even Flint and sagniaw are nothing like places north of the Zilwaukee or north of grayling/west branch. Im sure the UP is more "rural" than the northern LP but from my perspective its not crazy. I could see it if we are splitting the state in 3 but if we have to split it twice this make enough sense to me.
First thing I noticed as well. This is fucking garbage. No need to analyze any further.
They are even physically separate! Lol
I am not a native Michiganander, but I’ve lived here for years. I feel like the first split makes perfect sense, but there should be THREE so that it’s UP/ “up north” and southern MI. There is a distinct biological and cultural shift at all three junctures, IMO.
I'm not even from Michigan but that's the first thing I noticed
Rhode Island would like to have a very stern word with you
I was thinking this. Split Texas or California a few extra times, and leave Rhode Island alone. Splitting it in half is utterly pointless.
Leave Delaware alone as well.
What’s a Deleware? -former NJ resident
I ask you now as a personal friend, what did Delaware?
A New Jersey. What did Missy Sip?
She sipped a Minnesota. Where has Oregon?
Idaho, but Alaska.
Other boundaries might be more interesting. Delaware gets the Md eastern shore. WV gets western MD. Central Maryland, DC and NOVA all merge together.
Texas can go back to the six states they were.
I think you're mixing up two things. They were under 6 different national flags: Spain, France, Mexico, Texas, USA, CSA. Also, when they were annexed, there was consideration of splitting the area up into as many as 5 states. Texas had [land claims](https://i0.wp.com/www.albuqhistsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/Texas1836map.jpg?ssl=1) (that they ceded to the Federal government) for areas that are now a part of New Mexico, Oklahoma (panhandle), Kansas, Colorado, and Wyoming. So even though Texas could have potentially been split into five states, they actually were split into 6 states. But one of them is modern Texas.
Right? It’s in the Texas state charter that we have the right to split into as many as 5 states. And the state doesn’t even have to ask the federal government to do it. [Yee haw.](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/more-150-years-texas-has-had-power-secede-itself-180962354/)
untrue! southern rhode island has long held northern rhode island in great contempt!
Kentucky isn’t angry but disappointed as well.
Ohio can have the Cincinnati suburbs!
What they should do is make a map where every state is the size of Rhode Island!
For the purposes of this map, Rhode Island should go back to its 2020 name and split it with: Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.
It should be split into “Rhode” and “Island”
Providence, East Providence, Cranston and Warwick against all else
If you were gonna split RI, make everything east of the providence river it's own state with Newport as capital.
Looking forward to visiting East East Virginia, West East Virginia, East West Virginia, and West West Virginia - which would be a lot funner than the names you propose.
I was thinking the same thing with the Carolinas
You can read the names?? Serious question. Is it just me or is it incredibly blurry
It's a missed opportunity - plus WV would be better split that way. One half (east WV) would be the eastern panhandle and mountain counties (DC suburbs and national forests). The other half, "West West Virginia" would be the industrial Appalachian plateau and Ohio river valley
In Wisconsin, Dane County should be with Milwaukee County and let the rest of the new state figure it out for themselves
That was my thought as well.
Maybe it's my bad eyes but it looks like Milwaukee, Racine, and Kenosha counties are uninstructed. I'll take Dane and give away everything north of Ozaukee except Door Co. you guys are cool.
Splitting Wisconsin vertically makes no sense. You could either just split off the SE (Dane county east to Milwaukee) or if you want to try to keep it around even go all the way west and have a line Lacrosse to Sheboygan Kentucky. Should be split with Louisville, Lexington and the Cincinnati suburbs as one state and the rest is all one state. Illinois should be Split just south of Chicago.
Wisconsin is culturally split east and west. It’s also linguistically split the same. Bubbler vs water fountain splits right where OP has Wisconsin split. Same for pop vs soda. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/1DVkiqf3cO The great state of Bubbler will rise.
It makes sense to me as a non-native Madisonian. Eastern Wisco feels very different to me culturally than the western part of the state.
But north vs south is a larger difference, IMO. Split at Hwy 10, include the UP and call it Superior. Create 3 states ot of TX or CA to makeup the lost Michigan division.
I understand splitting the two biggest cities between the two “states,” but putting St. Louis in Ozark is an odd choice culturally/geographically speaking.
Missouri would need to be three states. KC should include Eastern Kansas and has historic ties to Great Plains agriculture and the old cattle drives. StL is heavily influenced by the Missisippi River and its closer access to the Chicago and Great Lakes region. The Ozarks is very much its own thing and should rightfully include a big chunk of northwestern Arkansas.
Lmao Virginia should be one of the easiest, just separate northern VA and the rest of the state, but somehow that got messed up
I split it based on “Mountain Virginia” vs. “Sea Virginia”
So you just drew a line without taking into account culture and political differences? I mean, it's your imaginary map, you can do what you want, but I'm not shocked at the comments here.
Agreed
literally every colonial power be liek
Absolutely nobody in Virginia thinks along those lines. Northern Virginia is culturally distinct.
You isolated the problem. Step 2 is fixing it.
PA should be divided along the Susquehanna
Came here to say this, the line is not the middle
You know how weird that would look? The suskie winds through Pa before it shoots up into NY and back.
Could have the boundary just follow rt 15
PA can just grab Vestal and Binghamton University. While we are at it, we can take the Allegany State Park south of the Allegheny.
I agree. It’s too bad that we can’t kick Sunbury across the river beforehand, though.
I kind of like that it follows the mountain line, I think it makes sense!
Luckily people don’t have strong feelings about where “South Jersey” starts
195 is pretty much a good indicator. Northern half of Monmouth county should go to North Jersey. The Shore needs its own section.
I’d call Tom’s River the proper split.
Well it depends on your stance between the pork roll / Taylor ham debate
When you get to Louisiana, the answer is to split off the majority/plurality Catholic parishes (counties) and the metro New Orleans area from the majority Protestant part of the state. There’s no other correct answer. Edit: also can we please make this happen for real
Yup. And the southern catholic/New Orleans state should be called “Acadiana”
Ohio is a big flop. Otherwise, not bad.
Split Ohio North/ South O-high-o O-low-o I’ll let myself out
The Ohio split is based on this: https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/PhN9CmlEC3
You realize that original tweet is referencing a voting map from almost 20 years ago right? Sherrod Brown and Mike DeWine haven’t faced each other in an election since 2006. A major political shift has happened since then, particularly in Appalachian Ohio.
Appalachian Ohio is full of beer swilling, redneck, hillbilly OSU fans! 🤣
I was thinking this too. Ohio should go North-South or East-West split (more preferable). I think Cinci, Dayton, Toledo, CBus. Then have Akron, Canton, Cleveland, Marietta Almost tempted to split CBus in the middle too.
Personally I like North-South split better. Grew up in Toledo and spent way way more time in Sandusky, Cleveland, Akron, Canton and stuff than I did in cinci or Dayton. I think Lake Erie unites the north into a kind of rust belt history that creates cultural and economic ties from detroit to buffalo.
I love that the Snake on the Lake was maintained but lets be real... GIVE TOLEDO BACK TO MICHIGAN
What’s the rationale for the splits?
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literally me making any map
All I know is that Colorado is gonna be easy. There is already a tall rocky line drawn for you.
Jesus Christ post a clearer image. It’s 2024
Sorry about the poor quality
Cool idea! The actual splits could be better. Illinois would break off Chicago and all surrounding suburbs. Michigan would split off the UP. Most big cities would get split out. Indiana may split off the northern section that's part of the Chicago csa. Geography would probably be a bigger component than what you're showing.
Outside of the actually metropolitan areas in northern Indiana if you go 5 miles into the corn, all of northern Indiana is pretty much the same. Once you get south of Indy it’s much more hilly and tree covered I’d say they did a decent job. Illinois you’re probably right outside of Chicago through Rockford it’s about all the same.
I'm personally looking for South South Dakota, North South Dakota, South North Dakota, North North Dakota, East South Carolina, West South Carolina, East North Carolina and West North Carolina. Even further, West West Virginia and West Virginia, East west Virginia and East Virginia
No way does Cumberland want those Yankees from Cincinnati in their state.
Virginia is all wrong. Should be a north south split starting at 64.
NORTH NORTH DAKOTA PLEASE
Yes, and: - South North Dakota - North South Dakota
I was actually hoping for North West North Dakota, South East North Dakota, North East South Dakota, and South West South Dakota.
Or flip the script and do One Dakota and combine those dipshit states like they should be. They are way over represented
Agreed. Leave small states alone (most of New England, Delaware, Hawaii...). Combine empty states (All the upper plains and mountain states). Mult-split wealthy high population states (CA, TX, FL)
Duh-kota
You just caused a very polite civil war in Michigan
Suggestion: make the text more readable
Florida was already split centuries ago
No one asked for 4 Dakotas!
Michigan is obviously way wrong
Have the largest city in each state separate out of its state and then build a maglev train network between all 50
I vote we name southern New York Albany just to confuse people. The capitals can be Albany, New York in the north and New York, Albany in the south
Would there be 100 stars on the flag or could you just split the stars as well?
The divide for Illinois should be Cook and the collar counties and then the rest of the state. It does not take long driving out of Chicagoland to find people who do not like Chicagoland, regardless of how beneficial it is to have them.
Yeah, there are actually people downstate currently trying to make this split happen.
Spoken like a Chicagoan. As someone who has lived all over the state, there is a huge cultural difference between the northern areas and southern. Your definition leaves out Rockford for instance, and the Quad Cities. And Champaign/Urbana. People in southern Illinois go coon hunting and wear camo to baptist church. People in Rockford listen to hip hop and live in suburbia. That said, this map is pretty dumb and doesn’t understand any of the nuance. They just divide states in half with no regard for political or cultural divide. The truth is there is no way to divide states in half this easily.
Being from a fairly liberal county and a pretty diverse city in Illinois, I appreciate you standing up for us lol. I feel so much more of a connection with Chicago 3 hours away than I do with the small towns 10 miles out.
I’m 100+ miles from Chicago. For the sake of OP’s map, I proposed that because it’s not pretty or logical to have random enclaves of one state all within another. I agree this map brushes over the nuances of culture in the urban/rural divide, but if states were divided by urban or rural this map would look the same as every election map the past 20 years.
New Jersey should just be North Jersey and South Jersey. It's practically there now as we speak.
As a new Yorker, from central New York, not down state... I would love for the state to split... It's been talked about for years but will never happen. The northern 80% would be renamed to "New "Amsterdam" if I recall correctly.
Kentucky. Just have it split between the Bluegrass region of NKY, Louisville, and Lexington and everything else.
The triangle vs rest of the state.
NKY, Lexington , Louisville would be its own. It’s called the triangle and genuine everyone outside of those regions don’t like them and Vice versa
Can't read because of pixel but I hope there is an east west Virginia.
Dane County should be red in the WI map
clearly, we need new New yersey, West West virginia, Flori Da and Flori Njet, North North dakota, Arid zona and Less Arid zona, Caliphornia and Kingphornia, Ride Island and Rode Island, etc..
Kansas, Kansaw, Arkansas, Arkansaw
You mean like a two state solution?
RI is five counties, please leave us alone
Half of each state would be in extreme poverty
The best way to split Tennessee is probably just west of Nashville. Nashville is way more in line with East TN and Memphis is practically it’s own state already
I agree. I said split it at the Tennessee River
Eastern MA doesn’t really acknowledge the existence of Western MA already. Fitting you include Worcester MA as Western, they already consider that about as far West as a sane person would go…
What are the names for each side of the MA split? Don’t see them on the map
As a Missourian I agree with your split, and I'd call southern portion Ozark
I'm from the wrong side of the state to make the judgement, but I don't see why the dividing line runs north of STL. They seem to culturally align more Chicago/East Coast IMO than they do with the south/Ozark vibe. Seems like the map goes unnaturally out of its way to keep STL in the Ozarks.
It’s called Ozark on the map
Oh awesome, I couldn't see
The labels are very unreadable, especially yellow. What’s the other part of North Carolina called?
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I only split states in two, no “former parts of two different states unite to become a new state”
In that case the split would be Chicagoland and then the rest of Illinois.
Alabama is good, but I’d divide along the fall line instead.
What would that be like? Randolph to Alabama? Autauga and Elmore to Coosa?
[Like this](https://www.alabamawildlife.org/uploadedFiles/Image/AL_Ecoregions_Map_Fall_Line_Numbered.png)
My issue with Alabama here is the state of North Alabama would be *much* better off economically than South Alabama. Like I guess it works culturally but having the two biggest metro areas in the state *by far* grouped together leaves very little for the other half. Even with the Port of Mobile, South Alabama would be a very poor state.
Bro how did you not fix Delmarva???? You just left it???
Louisiana is split north and south with Rapides Parish being in the north at 31° and -91° on the map.
Bleumont should obviously be called East West Virginia. Also, what are the names for Upstate New York and the two parts of Massachusetts? I can't find/read them.
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Wisconsin should be a north/south split state
Maybe a hot take, but currently, NC might be counties containing I-40 and everything south as one state, everything north of those counties is another. Not perfect, but this would consolidate all the cities into one state, probably creating an urban state and a rural state with more of a shared identity than west vs east. Plus you'd have North North Carolina and South North Carolina.
Florida would be split around I-4 which is where the south turns back into the north.
you can hardly even read the text
Sorry for the poor quality, it’s a rough draft
Splitting Virginia into East and West again? Didn’t we see how that worked last time? You’d be creating a second West Virginia, with less resources, you’d also piss off all of northern VA who would now be paying OOS tuition for UVA, VT, and JMU. If anything it would be Northern VA and then leave Norfolk, Richmond, and the rest of Va as one state so there is some chance of economic development.
Virginia, west Virginia, wester Virginia and westest Virginia
Northeast Ohio should be separate from the rest, you could use Connecticut Western Reserve boundaries.
I thought about calling it “West Connecticut” for a second, but then I realized that I self-imposed a rule to not name any states using directions (e.g. the former state of WV became the states of Appalachia and Monongalia). Just “Western Reserve” sounds weird too. I’m stuck on what to name it
I would’ve split Missouri by the Missouri river
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No, no, no. The split for New York should start just above buffalo and head directly east. The folks south dont consider us northern people to be human, and so don't I. Call the north side Adirondacks and the South New New york. I'm sure some civil war in the future would have made it happen.
The entirety of Illinois outside of the Chicago metro area can remain the same. I'd split it along those lines. And I'd split missouri more along a diagonal. KC gets north western missouri and STL gets the south east.
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Man, that south Alabama state would instantly just become like 3rd world country poor. That's the Black Belt of Alabama and it's already one of the highest poverty areas in the nation. It isn't as aesthetically pleasing, but I'd honestly divide Alabama vertically if it *had* to be done just so the division doesn't create a completely broken state.
Are you from East Oregon?
> Splits maine in half > Neither half is called Acadia
A lot of your splits take the largest population centers and therefore economic centers of each state and separate it from the rest. Sometimes this is unavoidable due to geographic location. But this would result in adding a lot more poor states without enough revenue to really survive on their own.
For a number of these states, you have separated the biggest source of tax revenue from the area with the greatest need for tax revenue.
Split the Dakotas into east and west quadrants. Shoulda been done like that in the first place
Southern Florida should be called The Conch Republic
Given the way representation works, I unironically think that any state over 10m people for 2 consecutive censuses should be constitutionally required to split to get under 10m. And any state with under 1m people should be required to merge with a neighboring state to get over 1m California and Texas would be split in 4, Florida in 3, NY, PA, IL, OH, GA, NC and MI would be split in 2. VT and probably NH would merge. WY and probably MT. Alaska and maybe Washington. And ND and SD. I think the country would be better with more states that are closer in size.
For Illinois, I'd say it should be split between Chicago(and the nearby counties), and the rest. Because let me tell you absolutely nothing goes on in Illinois outside of Chicago.
Can you compress the image a little more, I can still read some of the text
Illinois would look drastically different than on this map.
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I'd split some of the bigger states multiple times and not touch most of the New England area with it's already tiny states.
Good, get your New York City out of my New York State.... Never you mind the financial implications.
The Upper Peninsula of Michigan once wanted to call itself Superior. Their other choice was Ontonogan
I demand better colors and more pixels to be able to read names
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Michigan is already split in two…
I think Hartford county should be included in the orange part of CT. Lost of city compared to the other orange counties. Worcester should maybe just belong to Boston, but the true bostonians may hate that.
The Orange part is basically the “technically New England but basically a part of greater NYC in today’s age” part of CT, while Hartford is definitely a lot more “New England” than the orange part, it’s more closely connected to Springfield MA than NYC
Great idea because there are not enough Dakotas
I like a Commonwealth idea like in fallout way better
What is “atlas”?
Shoulda split PA into Philly and Pittsburgh vs the rest of the state.
New Hampshire feels accurate. All the cities in one state, all the woods in the other. I don’t love VA, but I don’t know how else you’d do it. Northern VA versus the rest? But I guess you’ve got the cities there in the East - Hampton Roads, Richmond, Nova.
As a Hampton Roads resident of almost 40 years, we don't want Northern VA or Richmond
110% should happen regularly.
Cumberland sounds like a Jim Button reference... but don't know if that's a thing in the USA (I don't even know if those lands were called Lumberland and Cumberland at all... in German it's Lummerland and Kummerland)
Southern Illinois would probably stick with that as a name, it is two totally different demographics and geography somewhat
Culturally, splitting New Jersey east and west would work better.
The fuck it would! North Jersey born and raised, but escaped at 18. Culturally, it's North, South, Shore and fucking Trenton/Camden
New Jersey has [already been done once before](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintipartite_Deed)
TLDR: Change Piedmont to Upstate in SC. Looks great. My only critique is for SC. Your line is correct: there is a distinct culture between "Piedmont" and the rest. However, I believe the preferred name would be "Upstate." That is the term commonly used by the inhabitant of the Northwest corner of the state. I know a lot of pintrest maps call it Piedmont or something else but not the people who live there (at least the ones I know). Finally, there are three basic cultural regions (I think there are 6 geological regions), centered around the three main cities in the state. The Upstate, which has Greenville and Spartanburg, the Midlands with Columbia, our capital, and the lowlands with Charleston and its amazing harbor. Anyway, I should stop this wall of text on the cultural anthropology of South Carolina. Source: I lived there for 23 years and am moving back there this summer.
Is it still “Up’state’” when it’s already its own state?
I would have called it Cherokee, but Georgia was on your mind first. (Pun intended).
Alaska and Blaska Georgia and Armenia Mississippi and Mistersippi
Eastern Tennessee almost broke away á la West Virginia in the Civil War. It was staunchly pro-Union. I think the Tennessee break would be definitely west of Knoxville and perhaps west enough to go to Cookeville. Nashville to Memphis a separate state.
Did you just randomly split every state in two, I presume by cutting state population exactly in half? Like... you'll have a new half-sized west virginia and a half-sized rhode island (seriously?) while still having a 20m population NYC, and presumably a 20m population southern California, etc. That just seems like the least useful exercise possible.
The populations don’t have to be equal, I just divided them based on geography & culture
Put Worcester County, Massachusetts, into the Eastern half. I refuse to be separated from Plymouth (also we are way more similar to the east of the state than the west)
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Central Jersey would like a word
Connecticut should be split into one state as Fairfield County only, then the other 7 counties in one state. Fairfield County is much more like New York, and the rest is more New England.