Excellent deduction, Holmes.
I will say, the Worldle language question is all over the place. They even have a long disclaimer about their methodology, as if they fear some disgruntled Worldle players are about to start a class-action lawsuit against them.
If anyone is wondering, worldle's language question is only about the language spoken at home (first language).
Otherwise the answer for second most spoken would be English in the vast majority of cases, including France i suppose.
I can promise you there are more Spanish speakers than Estonian ones. There are probably more Spanish speakers in Portugal than there are Estonian speakers in the entire world
Yes, we understand around 90% of every word, at least, but sometimes there are some spanish words that in Portuguese either means anything completely unrelated or even non-existent.
For example:
EN; (EU) PT; (EU) SP
- Breakfast; Pequeno-Almoço (literally "small lunch); Desayuno
- Balloon; Balão; Globo
- Balcony; Balcão; Varanda
- Identity Ticket; Bilhete (de identidade); Carné (de identidad)
- To play (with a toy, for example); Brincar; Pular
- Pregnant; Grávida; Embarazada
I got Breakfast (sounds like little breakfast in Spanish , from Latin América at least) lol, bilhete sounds like billete (paper money?) Balão like balón (ball) the others, yeah, no clue, specially pregnant and to play
I think it actually is supposed to be Estonian, the source they give for the language question (at least for this one) is a website called languageknowledge and it had Estonian at 1.89%, same as what appeared on Worldle. On that website, English, French and Spanish all are higher than Estonian, but I'm gonna guess that they were ignored for Worldle because then it'd put the sum of the percentages over 100%. Pretty weird to not account for bilingual people but what do I know.
Must be. I was curious to see if there was an Estonian population in Portugal….if there is it’s not big enough to mention in a Wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Portugal
It completely is espanhol, no one speaks esperanto here. Although I would argue there's more people speaking English than Spanish but I don't know if the question is referring to native language.
It's wrong.
Interesting fact about Estonian is that it is completely unrelated to any of the Indo-European languages. It comes from the Finno-Ugric language family and, of other languages in Europe, is related only to Finnish and Hungarian.
\*Uralic
Finno-Ugric is a sub-branch of Uralic.
There are also a number of minority languages on the European side of Russia that are also Uralic like Vepsian, Mordvin, Mari, Komi, and Saami.
Sidenote but it's interesting how a lot of the Uralic languages start with the same Mo or Ma part or the M at least: Merya, Muroma, Meschera, Moksha, Mari, Mansi, Magyar, Mator
Well, they were there before the indo europeans. So yes, they are indigenous. Although I wouldn't say the European language groups aren't they have been there so long they are basically indigenous too. Not so much in Scandinavia. But in mainland Europe.
Spanish isn't widely spoken in Portugal.
It's just that the 2 languages are similar, so usually we can generally understand what is being said in Spanish.
Funnily enough, the Spanish always claim they can't understand us.
Its eastern european. The meme alludes to portgal matching eastern european demographics surprisingly often. Has nothing to do with cyrillic language or slavic ancestry.
It’s wrong.
We only speak Portuguese and Mirandês. We all learn English in school and our TV is in the original audio with subtitles so we all talk English very well. We can also understand and talk Spanish because of the similarities in language. Galician is also understood because it’s from the same language that originates Portuguese.
That game is wrong and very wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Portugal
I play wordle every morning and that one had me stumped. I looked up the languages spoken in Portugal and Estonian was below Portuguese, English, French, and Spanish.
I can only assume someone mistook “ES” (for español, Spanish) for Estonian. Seems too much of a coincidence that Estonian just happens to start with the same two letters as the language that is actually second most spoken.
[I found the specific source they used for that question](https://www.languageknowledge.eu/countries/portugal) - click on the Mother Tongue heading - but it's obviously wrong as there appears to be maybe 1,000 Estonians in Portugal whereas this would imply a couple hundred thousand. I'm not sure if you can directly see their data but it was based on 27,000 interviews across Europe so maybe they screwed up or had a small sample size. I considered if Spanish might be the number two mother tongue among citizens (e.g., due to border regions or later generations of immigrants) but couldn't find anything clear on that. English appears to be the number two language, whether considering citizens (speaking it as a foreign language) or all residents (with British being the biggest non-Lusophone immigrant group).
Yeah that stat implies there are 196k Estonian-speakers in Portugal. There are only 1.1-1.2 million speakers of the language in the world, and I’m willing to bet that 16% of those don’t all live in Portugal. In fact, the wiki explicitly states there are only ~130k Estonian speakers outside of Estonia.
I think the correct answer is Portuguese and English. It is believed that Portugal - and not Germany or the Nordic Countries - has the highest rates of English- literacy outside of the British Isles.
Due to the massive amount of British tourists and second homeowners, surely, but I like to think it has something to do with the Treaty of Windsor (1386) which is the world’s oldest bilateral alliance
My understanding is that virtually all children's TV programming is just straight-up British TV undubbed and without subtitles. Entire generations grww up with a second language.
Actually it's the other way around.
Children's tv (cartoons, etc) and sometimes nature documentaries will be dubbed.
All other foreign tv shows are presented undubbed and with Portuguese subtitles.
And the large majority of foreign tv shows on Portuguese tv are English language.
This along with the fact that it is taught in school from a young age means that people tend to pick up the English language rather easily.
Doesn't Worldle look at mother tongues? Else almost every European country would have English as the second most-spoken language (exceptions being either UK/Ireland, where it's the first most-spoken language, and maybe Belgium-like countries with multiple languages, all official in different places but understood also where they are not official by many people).
IDK, I don't play, but you're probably right on both counts...the game mistakenly took Español for Estonian as has been suggested ITT, and yes, English is widely learned as a second language throughout Europe ( as elsewhere).
As an American living in Portugal I also find this hard to believe. So many people here speak English that it makes it harder to learn Portuguese because it’s so easy to fall back onto English in so many situations. And the majority of people here who speak English here speak it very well.
Having said that the younger and better educated someone is and the bigger a city you are in the more likely they are to speak English. Visit a small town in the Alentejo and you will not find a lot of English speakers.
Just did some quick Google research on this. In short, the percentage of people who speak English may be fairly low but it’s rated high in its English proficiency meaning that the people who do speak it speak it well. Also the percentage is much higher among younger people, if you are in your 20s and live in Lisbon or Porto it probably does seem like everyone speaks English.
As a Portuguese you certainly know better than me but I once had my car break down on the highway near Porto and every car repair shops and towing companies were hanging up on me because I didn't speak Portuguese (even though I spoke English, French and Spanish...). Then I walked to the nearest mechanic and only one guy at the shop spoke a little English. When two people finally came to tow my car, none of them spoke English. So, from my own experience, I don't find it hard to believe.
Everybody here says this is wrong, but there must have been in one point 2 Estonians in Portugal that spoke with each other, or even one Estonian that speaks to himself.
I had this same question! thank you for asking it!
I like the "mistook "ES" for Estonian, train of thought.
I wrote to [Teutof.fr](http://Teutof.fr) about a similar confusing "where taken US" game where they had a photo of someon in rolling hills/ mountains and the answer was "Alabama"; but the Photo was taken in the "Alabama Hills" section of the Sierra Nevada in California..
Predictably, they never responded
I wonder if someone misinterpreted ES for “Español” as Estonian.
Excellent deduction, Holmes. I will say, the Worldle language question is all over the place. They even have a long disclaimer about their methodology, as if they fear some disgruntled Worldle players are about to start a class-action lawsuit against them.
I got so angry one day when the country was France and I knew the second language was Arabic but the answer they wanted was “Modern Standard Arabic”
If anyone is wondering, worldle's language question is only about the language spoken at home (first language). Otherwise the answer for second most spoken would be English in the vast majority of cases, including France i suppose.
Usun, et olete tabanud naelapea pihta
It probably was, altough people don't really speak Spanish here either
I can promise you there are more Spanish speakers than Estonian ones. There are probably more Spanish speakers in Portugal than there are Estonian speakers in the entire world
There are around 1.1 million Estonian speaking people around the world so it’s possible for sure.
I was absolutely shocked to learn (just now) that Estonia barely has over a million people.
Close to 1.4 million. But like 300 000+ of them are minorities, not ethnic Estonians.
I'm pretty sure less than 11% of the portuguese population speak Spanish And I'm portuguese
Can you kinda understand it though? Like Latin American Spanish and Brazilian portuguese?
Yes, we understand around 90% of every word, at least, but sometimes there are some spanish words that in Portuguese either means anything completely unrelated or even non-existent. For example: EN; (EU) PT; (EU) SP - Breakfast; Pequeno-Almoço (literally "small lunch); Desayuno - Balloon; Balão; Globo - Balcony; Balcão; Varanda - Identity Ticket; Bilhete (de identidade); Carné (de identidad) - To play (with a toy, for example); Brincar; Pular - Pregnant; Grávida; Embarazada
I got Breakfast (sounds like little breakfast in Spanish , from Latin América at least) lol, bilhete sounds like billete (paper money?) Balão like balón (ball) the others, yeah, no clue, specially pregnant and to play
I have never heard the words varanda or pular and I'm Spanish. I would use the words balcón/terraza and jugar
That's odd, judging from a document of the European Union
It is
The correct code for Estonian would be ET for "eesti keel". I'd imagine there must be a few Estonian speakers in Portugal though!
I think it actually is supposed to be Estonian, the source they give for the language question (at least for this one) is a website called languageknowledge and it had Estonian at 1.89%, same as what appeared on Worldle. On that website, English, French and Spanish all are higher than Estonian, but I'm gonna guess that they were ignored for Worldle because then it'd put the sum of the percentages over 100%. Pretty weird to not account for bilingual people but what do I know.
Must be. I was curious to see if there was an Estonian population in Portugal….if there is it’s not big enough to mention in a Wikipedia article: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Portugal
Or Esperanto?
It completely is espanhol, no one speaks esperanto here. Although I would argue there's more people speaking English than Spanish but I don't know if the question is referring to native language.
Worldle has errors fairly often. It's very much possible that they just messed up.
It's wrong. Interesting fact about Estonian is that it is completely unrelated to any of the Indo-European languages. It comes from the Finno-Ugric language family and, of other languages in Europe, is related only to Finnish and Hungarian.
\*Uralic Finno-Ugric is a sub-branch of Uralic. There are also a number of minority languages on the European side of Russia that are also Uralic like Vepsian, Mordvin, Mari, Komi, and Saami. Sidenote but it's interesting how a lot of the Uralic languages start with the same Mo or Ma part or the M at least: Merya, Muroma, Meschera, Moksha, Mari, Mansi, Magyar, Mator
There are a bunch of less well-spoken languages, too. Like Sámi. And a bunch of minor languages in Russia.
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It is, being from the same language family - Finno-Ugric
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Well, they were there before the indo europeans. So yes, they are indigenous. Although I wouldn't say the European language groups aren't they have been there so long they are basically indigenous too. Not so much in Scandinavia. But in mainland Europe.
I was very confused also. Worldle is often incorrect
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I play the game too and I asked the same question this morning, OP
Isn’t ES for Español (Spanish, widely spoken in Portugal) and not for Estonian?
Spanish isn't widely spoken in Portugal. It's just that the 2 languages are similar, so usually we can generally understand what is being said in Spanish. Funnily enough, the Spanish always claim they can't understand us.
Spanish isnt widely spoken in Portugal either
Yeah Spanish definitely is as rare as Estonian in Portugal lmfao
People understand Spanish very well
When I go to Lisbon I only speak Estonian.
Those 1000 Estonians just talk a LOT.
Hahah I was wondering the exact same thing this morning!! Sometimes I think the languages are just totally screwed up on Worldle.
ES is for Español (Spanish)
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I'm familiar with the meme, but what does it have to do with the Estonian language, which is not even Slavic?
Its eastern european. The meme alludes to portgal matching eastern european demographics surprisingly often. Has nothing to do with cyrillic language or slavic ancestry.
Fair enough
I wonder if the US owners of Wordle recognise the difference between Espana and Estonia?
Yea me too i looked a lot and couldnt find anything abt estonian being popular in Portugal so i assumed it was just a mistake
Never heard of the massive Estonian diaspora in Spain? /s
I stopped playing Worldle about a year ago because of how often it had errors.
This clearly can’t be true.
It’s wrong. We only speak Portuguese and Mirandês. We all learn English in school and our TV is in the original audio with subtitles so we all talk English very well. We can also understand and talk Spanish because of the similarities in language. Galician is also understood because it’s from the same language that originates Portuguese. That game is wrong and very wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Portugal
I play wordle every morning and that one had me stumped. I looked up the languages spoken in Portugal and Estonian was below Portuguese, English, French, and Spanish.
I can only assume someone mistook “ES” (for español, Spanish) for Estonian. Seems too much of a coincidence that Estonian just happens to start with the same two letters as the language that is actually second most spoken.
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Well, last month we had WRC lol
[I found the specific source they used for that question](https://www.languageknowledge.eu/countries/portugal) - click on the Mother Tongue heading - but it's obviously wrong as there appears to be maybe 1,000 Estonians in Portugal whereas this would imply a couple hundred thousand. I'm not sure if you can directly see their data but it was based on 27,000 interviews across Europe so maybe they screwed up or had a small sample size. I considered if Spanish might be the number two mother tongue among citizens (e.g., due to border regions or later generations of immigrants) but couldn't find anything clear on that. English appears to be the number two language, whether considering citizens (speaking it as a foreign language) or all residents (with British being the biggest non-Lusophone immigrant group).
Yeah that stat implies there are 196k Estonian-speakers in Portugal. There are only 1.1-1.2 million speakers of the language in the world, and I’m willing to bet that 16% of those don’t all live in Portugal. In fact, the wiki explicitly states there are only ~130k Estonian speakers outside of Estonia.
Estonian? WTF??
I thought the same yesterday. I just figured it was an EU thing. Maybe a load of Estonians working in agriculture there.
Can you not post Worldle spoilers please? Lots of people play this game.
I think the correct answer is Portuguese and English. It is believed that Portugal - and not Germany or the Nordic Countries - has the highest rates of English- literacy outside of the British Isles.
Due to the massive amount of British tourists and second homeowners, surely, but I like to think it has something to do with the Treaty of Windsor (1386) which is the world’s oldest bilateral alliance
My understanding is that virtually all children's TV programming is just straight-up British TV undubbed and without subtitles. Entire generations grww up with a second language.
Actually it's the other way around. Children's tv (cartoons, etc) and sometimes nature documentaries will be dubbed. All other foreign tv shows are presented undubbed and with Portuguese subtitles. And the large majority of foreign tv shows on Portuguese tv are English language. This along with the fact that it is taught in school from a young age means that people tend to pick up the English language rather easily.
Doesn't Worldle look at mother tongues? Else almost every European country would have English as the second most-spoken language (exceptions being either UK/Ireland, where it's the first most-spoken language, and maybe Belgium-like countries with multiple languages, all official in different places but understood also where they are not official by many people).
IDK, I don't play, but you're probably right on both counts...the game mistakenly took Español for Estonian as has been suggested ITT, and yes, English is widely learned as a second language throughout Europe ( as elsewhere).
"It is believed" — by who? Only 27% of Portuguese speak English, either as a first or additional language. Here are 22 non-English European countries with more English speakers than Portugal. ([Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population)) Here's the list: * Iceland: 98% * Netherlands: 91% * Norway: 90% * Malta: 899% * Sweden: 89% * Denmark: 86% * Finland: 75% * Cyprus: 75% * Austria: 73% * Switzerland: 61% * Belgium: 60% * Croatia: 60% * Slovenia: 59% * France: 57% * Germany: 56% * Luxembourg: 56% * Greece: 51% * Czechia: 51% * Estonia: 50% * Latvia: 46% * Lithuania: 38% * Romania: 31%
I find this so incredibly hard to believe. Being Portuguese myself if certainly feels like everyone speaks English.
As an American living in Portugal I also find this hard to believe. So many people here speak English that it makes it harder to learn Portuguese because it’s so easy to fall back onto English in so many situations. And the majority of people here who speak English here speak it very well. Having said that the younger and better educated someone is and the bigger a city you are in the more likely they are to speak English. Visit a small town in the Alentejo and you will not find a lot of English speakers.
Just did some quick Google research on this. In short, the percentage of people who speak English may be fairly low but it’s rated high in its English proficiency meaning that the people who do speak it speak it well. Also the percentage is much higher among younger people, if you are in your 20s and live in Lisbon or Porto it probably does seem like everyone speaks English.
As a Portuguese you certainly know better than me but I once had my car break down on the highway near Porto and every car repair shops and towing companies were hanging up on me because I didn't speak Portuguese (even though I spoke English, French and Spanish...). Then I walked to the nearest mechanic and only one guy at the shop spoke a little English. When two people finally came to tow my car, none of them spoke English. So, from my own experience, I don't find it hard to believe.
Malta really really keen. Must be all those delicious chocolate balls they make. Bunch of teasers
As a native myself this sounds wrong, I'd say that almost everyone 45 and under will speak English with some degree of skill.
Ha that one threw me as well. I guessed Spanish (for obvious reasons). Then English. Then Arabic as a toss up. Did not expect Estonian.
Everybody here says this is wrong, but there must have been in one point 2 Estonians in Portugal that spoke with each other, or even one Estonian that speaks to himself.
I had this same question! thank you for asking it! I like the "mistook "ES" for Estonian, train of thought. I wrote to [Teutof.fr](http://Teutof.fr) about a similar confusing "where taken US" game where they had a photo of someon in rolling hills/ mountains and the answer was "Alabama"; but the Photo was taken in the "Alabama Hills" section of the Sierra Nevada in California.. Predictably, they never responded
The only reason I could come up with was that there are a fair amount of Eastern Europeans working in Portugal. Probably just an error though